What are your feelings on a cashless society?
KatWoman
02-08-2003, 03:55 PM
Heep
02-08-2003, 04:08 PM
I'd rather see us get rid of currency altogether. I think it's going to happen...as more and more things become available free (mp3's, downloadble movies, apps, games, etc), the need and even desire for money lessens...of course our generation still wants money to buy a house or car, etc, but every year money is more pointless. I'd like to see the world get to the point where we don't need it...people work for something to do, not to make money. People are far less greedy...no urge to be on top of the money pile. Kinda like Star Trek :p
Amish_kid
02-08-2003, 04:16 PM
If this actually goes through I can picture a lot of unhappy business owner's due to the fact that a lot of them do under the table business(cash only),
the government is really trying to pull a fast one on us because this way they can get rid of all the illegal trade such as drugs,but also how will it make it possible to buy things second hand or lend people in need money I really cannot picture the government actually doing this.
the government is really trying to pull a fast one on us because this way they can get rid of all the illegal trade such as drugs,but also how will it make it possible to buy things second hand or lend people in need money I really cannot picture the government actually doing this.
Cbass
02-08-2003, 05:34 PM
The biggest obstacle to a society with no money is those who already have all the money, and wish to keep it that way.
Since our society is based on money, we must first change out society before we can eliminate money.
Since our society is based on money, we must first change out society before we can eliminate money.
Heep
02-09-2003, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by Cbass
The biggest obstacle to a society with no money is those who already have all the money, and wish to keep it that way.
Since our society is based on money, we must first change out society before we can eliminate money.
Althought if you eliminate the money first the society will change. Sure there'll be bitchin and complaining, but when their money is no longer accepted anywhere there's not really anything they can do about it except go with the flow.
The biggest obstacle to a society with no money is those who already have all the money, and wish to keep it that way.
Since our society is based on money, we must first change out society before we can eliminate money.
Althought if you eliminate the money first the society will change. Sure there'll be bitchin and complaining, but when their money is no longer accepted anywhere there's not really anything they can do about it except go with the flow.
Oz
02-09-2003, 12:36 AM
A brilliant idea. But in todays techno-cynical culture, it'll never become internationally accepted. :(
Jimster
02-09-2003, 02:21 AM
It just won't work- we'll simply use our finite resources up a lot faste- which wiill leave us screwed- it's turn us into a primitive society
Toksin
02-09-2003, 04:28 AM
Regarding that article:
In NZ we have EFTPOS (Electronic Finance Transfer Payment On Site or something). Basically this is your normal ATM card, but you swipe it at the shop you're at in an EFTPOS machine (usually attached to the till) which looks very similar to that Mondeo machine. You swipe your card, choose the account, and enter your pin..the money gets taken out of your account. People are walking around with a lot less cash in their pockets these days. Of course, not all places have eftpos machines...
In NZ we have EFTPOS (Electronic Finance Transfer Payment On Site or something). Basically this is your normal ATM card, but you swipe it at the shop you're at in an EFTPOS machine (usually attached to the till) which looks very similar to that Mondeo machine. You swipe your card, choose the account, and enter your pin..the money gets taken out of your account. People are walking around with a lot less cash in their pockets these days. Of course, not all places have eftpos machines...
MaximusGTR
02-09-2003, 04:54 AM
Not that I agree on it, but prostitution would take a big nose dive as well.:bloated:
Heep
02-09-2003, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by Toksin
Regarding that article:
In NZ we have EFTPOS (Electronic Finance Transfer Payment On Site or something). Basically this is your normal ATM card, but you swipe it at the shop you're at in an EFTPOS machine (usually attached to the till) which looks very similar to that Mondeo machine. You swipe your card, choose the account, and enter your pin..the money gets taken out of your account. People are walking around with a lot less cash in their pockets these days. Of course, not all places have eftpos machines...
Interac?
Lol, we've had that for like 15 years or something...
Regarding that article:
In NZ we have EFTPOS (Electronic Finance Transfer Payment On Site or something). Basically this is your normal ATM card, but you swipe it at the shop you're at in an EFTPOS machine (usually attached to the till) which looks very similar to that Mondeo machine. You swipe your card, choose the account, and enter your pin..the money gets taken out of your account. People are walking around with a lot less cash in their pockets these days. Of course, not all places have eftpos machines...
Interac?
Lol, we've had that for like 15 years or something...
Jimster
02-09-2003, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Heep
Interac?
Lol, we've had that for like 15 years or something...
and NZ has had EFTPOS longer than I care to remember :finger:
I perfered EFTPOS to Masterfraud
Interac?
Lol, we've had that for like 15 years or something...
and NZ has had EFTPOS longer than I care to remember :finger:
I perfered EFTPOS to Masterfraud
speediva
02-09-2003, 09:57 PM
Pittsburgh is headed more and more towards a currency-free/ mechanized society. Nearly every store has EFT-enabled credit card "Zons" and it works like all those shown above. But not only that, but the largest local grocery chain now has "electronic tellers" that let you check yourself out. It's rather hard to cheat the system and not scan something b/c there are all sorts of sensors and weight readers that ensure you do things right. I actually prefer to use that instead of going to some incompetent cashier.
I have always wanted to see a society without cash and the like. It would solve some problems, but I can see how it would cause a ton of others.
I have always wanted to see a society without cash and the like. It would solve some problems, but I can see how it would cause a ton of others.
tonioseven
02-09-2003, 10:26 PM
What are your feelings on a cashless society? I think it's O.K because I hardly have cash anyway!:(
Chris
02-09-2003, 10:32 PM
A cashless society will never exist, IMO.
But these smart cards intrigue me; an alternate use for my DirectTV card programmer; they use the same tech, u would just need to break the encryption. And the best part is, no one has money taken from them. Money is just pumped into the system. Everyone wins!
But these smart cards intrigue me; an alternate use for my DirectTV card programmer; they use the same tech, u would just need to break the encryption. And the best part is, no one has money taken from them. Money is just pumped into the system. Everyone wins!
Oz
02-10-2003, 12:46 AM
EFTPOS, which incidently stands for Electronic Fund Transfer Point Of Sale, is not what this is about. This is about a card with no security, no personal information that functions just like cash, without having to carry it. And Chris - don't you think it would be much easier to copy paper/plastic money than break card encryption? But it is an excellent point abou the new kinds of fraud that would be invented.
Toksin
02-10-2003, 05:07 AM
Ahh, thanks for clearing up what EFTPOS meant Oz, my mistake :)
Chris
02-10-2003, 02:52 PM
Oz: Well, the encryption on DirectTV satellite is broken routenly. (im in Canada btw, so my card isnt illegal, dave). So, i dont think cracking the encryption would be that hard.
But even easier; just put a certain amount of money on it, then copy the information bit for bit. Then, when the card is expired, reflash it with the data that was previously taken off of it. If i can do this with DirectTV access cards, or University Campus cards, then i can surely do it with these cards, as the technology is the same.
And making counterfeit bills is more difficult than it first appears:rolleyes:
But even easier; just put a certain amount of money on it, then copy the information bit for bit. Then, when the card is expired, reflash it with the data that was previously taken off of it. If i can do this with DirectTV access cards, or University Campus cards, then i can surely do it with these cards, as the technology is the same.
And making counterfeit bills is more difficult than it first appears:rolleyes:
Oz
02-11-2003, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by Chris
Oz: Well, the encryption on DirectTV satellite is broken routenly. (im in Canada btw, so my card isnt illegal, dave). So, i dont think cracking the encryption would be that hard.
But even easier; just put a certain amount of money on it, then copy the information bit for bit. Then, when the card is expired, reflash it with the data that was previously taken off of it. If i can do this with DirectTV access cards, or University Campus cards, then i can surely do it with these cards, as the technology is the same.
And making counterfeit bills is more difficult than it first appears:rolleyes:
Some excellent points. And counterfeiting money is ACTUALLY VERY easy. I know someone who was in the game for years. The trick is to produce vast quantities of a foreign currency that exchange offices don't see much of, and get it swapped to your domestic currency. ;) Nuff Sed on that.
Oz: Well, the encryption on DirectTV satellite is broken routenly. (im in Canada btw, so my card isnt illegal, dave). So, i dont think cracking the encryption would be that hard.
But even easier; just put a certain amount of money on it, then copy the information bit for bit. Then, when the card is expired, reflash it with the data that was previously taken off of it. If i can do this with DirectTV access cards, or University Campus cards, then i can surely do it with these cards, as the technology is the same.
And making counterfeit bills is more difficult than it first appears:rolleyes:
Some excellent points. And counterfeiting money is ACTUALLY VERY easy. I know someone who was in the game for years. The trick is to produce vast quantities of a foreign currency that exchange offices don't see much of, and get it swapped to your domestic currency. ;) Nuff Sed on that.
Jonno
02-11-2003, 03:09 AM
Although that sounds convinent, it doesn't sound very secure. Although I guess losing the card is just about as easy as losing a wallet full of cash.
I think it is a pretty good idea.
I think it is a pretty good idea.
MaximusGTR
02-11-2003, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Chris
Oz: Well, the encryption on DirectTV satellite is broken routenly. (im in Canada btw, so my card isnt illegal, dave). So, i dont think cracking the encryption would be that hard.
But even easier; just put a certain amount of money on it, then copy the information bit for bit. Then, when the card is expired, reflash it with the data that was previously taken off of it. If i can do this with DirectTV access cards, or University Campus cards, then i can surely do it with these cards, as the technology is the same.
And making counterfeit bills is more difficult than it first appears:rolleyes:
I hpe no direct tv employees are on the forums:rolleyes:
Oz: Well, the encryption on DirectTV satellite is broken routenly. (im in Canada btw, so my card isnt illegal, dave). So, i dont think cracking the encryption would be that hard.
But even easier; just put a certain amount of money on it, then copy the information bit for bit. Then, when the card is expired, reflash it with the data that was previously taken off of it. If i can do this with DirectTV access cards, or University Campus cards, then i can surely do it with these cards, as the technology is the same.
And making counterfeit bills is more difficult than it first appears:rolleyes:
I hpe no direct tv employees are on the forums:rolleyes:
boingo82
02-11-2003, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by Jonno
Although that sounds convinent, it doesn't sound very secure. Although I guess losing the card is just about as easy as losing a wallet full of cash.
I think it is a pretty good idea.
Just don't use a magnet to attach your card to the fridge. :eek:
Although that sounds convinent, it doesn't sound very secure. Although I guess losing the card is just about as easy as losing a wallet full of cash.
I think it is a pretty good idea.
Just don't use a magnet to attach your card to the fridge. :eek:
ci5ic
02-11-2003, 10:44 PM
I think there's too many flaws in a system like that... like boingo implied, it'd be pretty easy to just lose money inadvertantly... at the same time, it would be EXTREMELY easy to counterfiet as well...
Personally, I don't really forsee hard currency being completely lost. I wouldn't be surprised to see pennies get the axe, but not currency all together... it's much too useful to have it digitized.
Personally, I don't really forsee hard currency being completely lost. I wouldn't be surprised to see pennies get the axe, but not currency all together... it's much too useful to have it digitized.
whttrshpunk
02-11-2003, 11:59 PM
Although that sounds convinent, it doesn't sound very secure. Although I guess losing the card is just about as easy as losing a wallet full of cash.
Thats why step two is to have a smart chip implanted in your hand that contains your account number and personal information. That way no one can steal it from you and you cant possibly lose it. Over my dead body. You'll have to cut my arm off before I let you stick anything in my hand. That's right I'm a conspiracy theorist. Check out google on the implant thing...its being developed. :mad:
Thats why step two is to have a smart chip implanted in your hand that contains your account number and personal information. That way no one can steal it from you and you cant possibly lose it. Over my dead body. You'll have to cut my arm off before I let you stick anything in my hand. That's right I'm a conspiracy theorist. Check out google on the implant thing...its being developed. :mad:
Heep
02-12-2003, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by whttrshpunk
Thats why step two is to have a smart chip implanted in your hand that contains your account number and personal information. That way no one can steal it from you and you cant possibly lose it. Over my dead body. You'll have to cut my arm off before I let you stick anything in my hand. That's right I'm a conspiracy theorist. Check out google on the implant thing...its being developed. :mad:
It's in the Bible too :)
Thats why step two is to have a smart chip implanted in your hand that contains your account number and personal information. That way no one can steal it from you and you cant possibly lose it. Over my dead body. You'll have to cut my arm off before I let you stick anything in my hand. That's right I'm a conspiracy theorist. Check out google on the implant thing...its being developed. :mad:
It's in the Bible too :)
Toksin
02-12-2003, 05:33 AM
Originally posted by Heep
It's in the Bible too :)
Revelations 13:15
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom, if anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number, his number is 666.
:D
It's in the Bible too :)
Revelations 13:15
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom, if anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number, his number is 666.
:D
MaximusGTR
02-12-2003, 02:06 PM
How long did it take to find that verse?
Toksin
02-12-2003, 05:19 PM
Bout two minutes..I knew it was in Revelations. I actually opened the Bible at that spot (freaky) then went back to the beginning of Revelations to try and find it lol :D
MaximusGTR
02-14-2003, 03:12 AM
http://www.pyrrha.org/pulp/char/julesbanner.jpg
Its funny, but it came on yesterday on cable. I watched it for the 10th time and just laughed:D
Its funny, but it came on yesterday on cable. I watched it for the 10th time and just laughed:D
custmguru
02-14-2003, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by Toksin
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Revelations 13:15
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom, if anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number, his number is 666.
funny that the worlds largest banking computer is called the beast...
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Revelations 13:15
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom, if anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number, his number is 666.
funny that the worlds largest banking computer is called the beast...
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