Newbie's First Question?

Hi guys i'm new to this part of automotive forums. I am thinking of getting a 1991 Civic Hatch SI with the 1.6L I was j/w if it had Vtec and how much horespower it has also what is the estimated 0-60 and 1/4 mile time.

Welcome:wave: Check out my honda enthusiasts page, should have the info on that engine, as for the 1/4 time or 0-60 I don't know. HOpe you enjoy it here, and become a Honda-holic like the rest of us.

thanx for the little info it was a big help. I see that you are an Initial D Fan cool so am I soon I will have all the DVD's instead of watching them all on my pc.

Welcome to the board :wave:

the SI came with the d16a6 which has 108hp at the flywheel and Does not have Vtec.

Welcome to the board :wave: :alien:

welcome to the forum m8

the car should run the quarter in 17sec, 0-60 is around 9.6

welcome.

Originally posted by AkumaMax
thanx for the little info it was a big help. I see that you are an Initial D Fan cool so am I soon I will have all the DVD's instead of watching them all on my pc.

Yea Initial D is great. I have them all on VCD, but don't have anything to play them on other than the computer which don't help out any.

No Vtec awwwwwwwwwwwww that sux I would at least think all SI's have Vtec well I guess i'm not going to get it maybe if I have enough money to do some major mods but i'm sorry without Vtec I can't have that car. Allthough I might have enough money to do an engine swap.:D

Originally posted by AkumaMax
No Vtec awwwwwwwwwwwww that sux I would at least think all SI's have Vtec well I guess i'm not going to get it maybe if I have enough money to do some major mods but i'm sorry without Vtec I can't have that car. Allthough I might have enough money to do an engine swap.:D

Well, it would be fairly easy, and fairly cheap to just slap a VTEC head on it... Say, from a D16z6. That would give you SOHC VTEC... not sure what the HP ratings are for a swap like that...

dude vtec isn't god... i can out run the new si's in my lil crx si and i only have a few mods... and if your that set on it you can sometimes find a 4th gen with a swap done selling for really cheap.. .but i personally don't trust anyones work...

not all non-vtecs are that bad, my friend teg isn't vtec and gets up and goes quick. but like ci5ic said, should be able to slap a d16z6 head on it pretty easy, im just swappin a d16z6 into mine. :D

Originally posted by jeef
dude vtec isn't god... i can out run the new si's in my lil crx si and i only have a few mods... and if your that set on it you can sometimes find a 4th gen with a swap done selling for really cheap.. .but i personally don't trust anyones work...

I heard the new Si's are panzies, don't have any guts at all. But I also agree with you, there are very, and i mean very few people i trust to do work on my car, most people that work on my car have known my dad for a long time and he trusts them, so therefore i trust them.

Yea the new Si's are not that fast someone told me it's because of the transmisson. But I'm not sure about that also the reason I want Vtec is because a friend of mine knows how to tune the Vtecs to be very quik my buddies 2000 GS-R has AEM CAI, Pulley, Cam Gears, and whatever my buddy did to the Vtec but god damn is that thing fast he run's low 14's and I mean when I'm with him he eats WS-6's like they were Geo metros I mean this thing is quick it's got a full interor plus 4 custom made holes with 4 20lb tires in them. soooooooo thats why I want Vtec.

all i got to say to that is the drivers in those WS-6's must really really suck... if he can only run low 14's... the stock WS-6 can put down low 13's to high 12's with a decent driver.. most ppl should be able run the low 13's to mid 13's in one... i'm not saying that the engines that come with VTEC aren't good... slap a b18c1 or h22 into a 4th gen and you've got a beast of a car, but don't get the impression that if an engine doesn't have it that its shit, i'd love a b16, but i think i'd take a b18a/b over it... just my .02

thanx for everything guys but I found a car for me it was a steal it's a G2 Acura Integra LS it's got 182,000 but I got it for 1500 with a pretty nice sound system too(Sony Xplods).

but theres no VTEC in an LS.

didn't you want VTEC??? how are u gonna hit 14's in that LS without VTEC???????

see thats just the thing I forgot to mention it's LS/Vtec:devil:

gotta have that VTEC, well I hope that lil frankenstein you got there was put together the correct way, so it will last a while for you. When you going to show some pics of the car? you do know that since you don't have a 4th gen civic, you are still welcome here too, considering we are probably the most active group on AF

The new Si is slow because it's a fat assed 3000lbs of car.

My best friend just got a 2002 Civic Si. I rode in it, and drove it, and that little ( 3000lbs ) car is pretty damn quick for being stock. The only thing that I dont like about it is that the weight of your foot makes the clutch go down. I think that it is because of it being a hydro tranny. All in all, it is quick. My friend chirps the tires in 2nd and 3rd gear. So, I am fairly impressed. Next month ( because the gay local drag srtip only has this " Club 1320 " every month ) him and I are racing against each other. I think that it will be a good race, considering I have no 4th gear and I told him I am leaving in my subs. Should be good. :flash:

Originally posted by AkumaMax
No Vtec awwwwwwwwwwwww that sux I would at least think all SI's have Vtec well I guess i'm not going to get it maybe if I have enough money to do some major mods but i'm sorry without Vtec I can't have that car. Allthough I might have enough money to do an engine swap.:D

Only the SiR had VTEC in the early '90's and if you think that VTEC is the be-all and end-all then you are seriously deluding yourself. While it's not a gimmick, there are a lot of non-VTEC cars that I know would take my car down in no time flat.

See my sig for a nice explanation of VTEC, it's pretty much damn well true!

Hi by the way ;)

Originally posted by Theodditie
gotta have that VTEC, well I hope that lil frankenstein you got there was put together the correct way, so it will last a while for you. When you going to show some pics of the car? you do know that since you don't have a 4th gen civic, you are still welcome here too, considering we are probably the most active group on AF

I don't think that it's that at all when i went to the auto show today it was the first time that I saw the new SI in person first off the shifter has got to go it's what me and my friends like to call (Misshift Heaven) but back to why i think it's so slow it's got a 2.0 I-Vtec but the RPM limit is like 6800 wtf is that has honda gone soft usually they don't have that low RPM limit it's usually like at the lowest 7500 and thats pushing low. Thats why i think the new Si's are slow.

sorry for the post above^^^^it was supposed to be a quote from FourthGenHatch

How do lower revs make it slower? The new ITR makes as much or more power as the old one but at lower revs too.

I think you may need to read up on the concepts of how engines work before making comments. A big block motor will make more power through lower revs simply by having more capacity, a rotary likewise (swept volume) and a turbo simply forces more combustables into the chamber without needing to old-school VTEC/high RPM it.

The new f-ugly Civics are slow because they have had a massive lard injection... the same reason that the Aussie VTiR hatch (EK4 Japan built) is faster than a VTiR Coupe (US Built Si with RHD)... both have the same B16A motor and gearbox and running gear, but the Coupe is porkier.

REVS ain't everything and VTEC is bullshit as a be-all and end-all... it works for Honda, but other companys and build VTEC killers without resorting to variable valve technology.

Cheers

i don't really think u can say that VTEC is bullshit. no, its not some great thing that everyone needs, but it still can put u in ur seat. ride in a type r, or any other dohc vtec, an u can tell when it hits. its a good invention to be able to keep a small motor an still get great gas mileage, but at the same time, get some umph when u want it. an most companies use variable timing in their cars, they jus don't rely on it as a main point of making power.

lol - I have had my SiR for almost 3 years now... VTEC is a fad that riceboys cling to I swear. Wanky statements like "it has VTEC so it must be fast" piss me off. I'm sorry, but my viewpoint has been changed after driving in 5 liter Monaros and SS Commodores, not to mention R32s, Silvias, 180SXs etc. You can VTEC all you want, but when it comes down to it, you will never get the power upgrades you want compared to forced induction or big cc motors.

Like I said, I own a VTEC car... but it's a wank when you hear the bullshit that people sprout about how good it is...

"teh VTEC cannot lose" :p

:flipa: damn you setanta!!!! DAMN YOU!!!!!!!! Able to drive Skylines, and silvias. I want to be able to drive them. Yea, i used to be high on VTECs until I realized that a non-VTEC can come up with the same amount of power. Im thinking about sort of doing like Signal did with one of their CRXs and take a VTEC motor, and kill the VTEC, then increase the displacement in it.

very very tru...setana u don't think i cling to my vtec do u? cuz i was simply saying that while no, it isn't anything near a turbo/forced induction, it is still a nice way to make power from a little motor stock. an i do agree that it is much nicer to have power the entire way, an not having to sit an "wait for vtec." jus need more money for a damn turbo :D

Heheh - I gotta admit if I was going to build like you guys I'd go straight past the VTEC engines and head to something that had a bit lower compression and then turbo the hell out of it. :)

BTW - going to take a MIVEC FTO out for a test tomorrow... one of my workmates just bought one ;)

Now if only we were as lucky as the Kiwis with their imports... I want a Staegea (sp?) Wagon with AWD and turbo or a RVR 4x4 with detuned evo 3 motor :)

you just completely lost me with all that. The only one I understand is the FTO and Evo 3 motor. Lucky bastard, one day i will move to Japan, then I can have all the cars I want, and at their full potential, not having to detune them to make the legal in the U.S. damn regulations

Good luck trying to find a place to drive all those cars you want in Japan. Japan is the size of California and has double the population that the US has ( I think, but there is a lot of people on a island that size! ). ;)

yes, i know there are a lot of people over there, but i don't think there is double the pop of the u.s. i think that is china.

Originally posted by Setanta
Heheh - I gotta admit if I was going to build like you guys I'd go straight past the VTEC engines and head to something that had a bit lower compression and then turbo the hell out of it. :)

Heh heh - can anyone say ZC ? ;) :D

Oh, and Hi to the new guy if he is still reading this post :wave: