Administration Seeks Public's Help In Finding An Excuse For War

Having exhausted all previous efforts to rally support behind a military invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration said today that it is seeking the public's help in finding a reason why it should go to war.

“If anyone has a reason, anything at all, then please send it to me Don Rumsfeld, the Pentagon, Washington, D.C.,” announced Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. “But bear in mind that we've already tried links to terrorism, global instability, satellite photos, etc.”

“We've got 150,000 troops just waiting for an excuse to kick Saddam's ass. So please just give us one,” Rumsfeld went on to say.

The public is asked to send in their excuses for going to war with Iraq on a self-addressed stamped envelope, with the best entries to be read at an upcoming White House staff meeting.

Meanwhile, Secretary of State Colin Powell is set to enlist the help of American allies in order to discover some as yet unknown reasons for going to war.

“Nobody can accuse us now of going it alone. This is truly a multilateral effort,” Powell explained.

:hehehe:

I think the most convincing one so far was

Originally posted by George Dubya Bush

"He's an evil maaan."

If you do not agree with the United States taking action against Iraq in response to their violation of UN treaty 1441, so be it.
If you do not agree that Palistinian and other Terrorists being funded by Iraq doesn't present a clear and present danger to the world, so be it.
If you feel that Saddam can be trusted by the world with weapons of mass destruction, even though he used them on his own countrymen, so be it.
As a founding member of the Marine Corps' first anti-terrorism unit I worked with countries the world over and am still an advisor to the US goverment on this issue. I am also a Gulf War vet and have a pretty good idea what we are getting into with Iraq. I really cannot understand why so many are parading the "moral justification" arguement of this intended action when those who claim such morals rarely live moral lives. The US government officials in charge are not taking this action lightly and are taking whatever steps are nessessary to keep the action contained. We do not do this without stress, concern, and anxiety.
This isn't about oil, colonization, empire building, or greed. Those who claim it is have no knowledge of the Marshall Plan or the nation-building that the US has done in the past, at our own expense.

Originally posted by Murco
If you do not agree with the United States taking action against Iraq in response to their violation of UN treaty 1441, so be it.
If you do not agree that Palistinian and other Terrorists being funded by Iraq doesn't present a clear and present danger to the world, so be it.
If you feel that Saddam can be trusted by the world with weapons of mass destruction, even though he used them on his own countrymen, so be it.
As a founding member of the Marine Corps' first anti-terrorism unit I worked with countries the world over and am still an advisor to the US goverment on this issue. I am also a Gulf War vet and have a pretty good idea what we are getting into with Iraq. I really cannot understand why so many are parading the "moral justification" arguement of this intended action when those who claim such morals rarely live moral lives. The US government officials in charge are not taking this action lightly and are taking whatever steps are nessessary to keep the action contained. We do not do this without stress, concern, and anxiety.
This isn't about oil, colonization, empire building, or greed. Those who claim it is have no knowledge of the Marshall Plan or the nation-building that the US has done in the past, at our own expense.

I agree with the U.N. using force to achieve compliance with its own resolutions if ALL members of the security council agree that that is the last available course of action.

I don't approve of terrorism by palestinians,but I don't see the U.S. rushing to enforce U.N. resolutions that Israel has chosen to ignore,either.And we know that Israel has weapons of mass destruction......

I have yet to see any evidence that Iraq has any weapons of mass destruction,his military was successfully neutralised in the legitimate action of 1991,and his people have been held under a brutal embargo by the U.N. ever since.

I am quite content that I live a moral and upstanding life ang view your assertion that I don't with contempt.And yes,I am aware that the U.S. has provided aid to some of the countries that it has bombed the hell out of,but said aid usually came with strings attatched,and was of equal benefit to U.S. manufacturers and financiers.

Pardon me if I consider that your work for the U.S. government makes you a somewhat less than neutral observer.

Originally posted by Murco
If you do not agree with the United States taking action against Iraq in response to their violation of UN treaty 1441, so be it.
If you do not agree that Palistinian and other Terrorists being funded by Iraq doesn't present a clear and present danger to the world, so be it.
If you feel that Saddam can be trusted by the world with weapons of mass destruction, even though he used them on his own countrymen, so be it.
As a founding member of the Marine Corps' first anti-terrorism unit I worked with countries the world over and am still an advisor to the US goverment on this issue. I am also a Gulf War vet and have a pretty good idea what we are getting into with Iraq. I really cannot understand why so many are parading the "moral justification" arguement of this intended action when those who claim such morals rarely live moral lives. The US government officials in charge are not taking this action lightly and are taking whatever steps are nessessary to keep the action contained. We do not do this without stress, concern, and anxiety.
This isn't about oil, colonization, empire building, or greed. Those who claim it is have no knowledge of the Marshall Plan or the nation-building that the US has done in the past, at our own expense.
Iraq does NOT support fundamentalist terrorism- he is anti-Islam and runs a secular state- Hamas is a group of radials that cannot be pollitically connected with anyone- not even Yasser Arafrat.

There is still no proof S.H. has these weapons of destruction- what about North Korea who ARE threatening the security of the United States- oh thats right theres no oil there and daddy didn't lose a war against them.


Your sig says it all really- Freedom accepts one currency is true my friend- and that is diplomacy- but what the fuckk is all this freedom stuff about- this war has nothing to do wtih freedom- it's about damned oil. Can you honeestly name ONE action Saddam Hussein has taken against the United States that could harm it's citizens? No you cant- because he has never done it before.

Originally posted by taranaki

I don't approve of terrorism by palestinians,but I don't see the U.S. rushing to enforce U.N. resolutions that Israel has chosen to ignore,either.And we know that Israel has weapons of mass destruction......
Israel merely tries to defend itself from practically every Arab country surrounding them who's sole goal is the elimination of their state! They aren't a threat to the world at large..
Originally posted by taranaki

I have yet to see any evidence that Iraq has any weapons of mass destruction,his military was successfully neutralised in the legitimate action of 1991,and his people have been held under a brutal embargo by the U.N. ever since.
Based upon your endless attacks on President Bush, your pointless barrages about America's greed for oil, and general anti-war musings I doubt you'd be convinced if you met Saddam as he was standing on a nuclear bomb. Your politics have blurred any hope you have of seeing the other side of this issue.
Originally posted by taranaki

I am quite content that I live a moral and upstanding life ang view your assertion that I don't with contempt.And yes,I am aware that the U.S. has provided aid to some of the countries that it has bombed the hell out of,but said aid usually came with strings attatched,and was of equal benefit to U.S. manufacturers and financiers.......
Strings??!! That the country form a democracy? That they re-establish their own economy and industry? That the people of those countries remain free? Our financiers have usually taken it on the chin in such situations and that is why the US government backs all foriegn financing.
Originally posted by taranaki
Pardon me if I consider that your work for the U.S. government makes you a somewhat less than neutral observer.
What ever gave you the impression that I, or you, are a "neutral observer"??!!:eek:

Originally posted by Jimster

Iraq does NOT support fundamentalist terrorism- he is anti-Islam and runs a secular state- Hamas is a group of radials that cannot be pollitically connected with anyone- not even Yasser Arafrat.
Saddam has been directly providing financial to suicide bombers that have attacked Israel, and has provided terrorist training camps to Al-queda.
Originally posted by Jimster
There is still no proof S.H. has these weapons of destruction- what about North Korea who ARE threatening the security of the United States- oh thats right theres no oil there and daddy didn't lose a war against them.
Saddam has 2,600 lbs. of various chemical agents know to have existed after the Gulf War that are currently unaccounted for. As for "Daddy", Saddam has nothing to do with current, or past events involving the US? I suppose Clinton's manner of handling Iraq, blindly throwing in more cruise missles between 1994 and 1998 than were used in the Gulf War, with no real targets is a better way?
Originally posted by Jimster
Your sig says it all really- Freedom accepts one currency is true my friend- and that is diplomacy- but what the fuck is all this freedom stuff about- this war has nothing to do wtih freedom- it's about damned oil. Can you honeestly name ONE action Saddam Hussein has taken against the United States that could harm it's citizens? No you cant- because he has never done it before.
He is an administor of terror, and can provide weapons to those stupid enough to attack us. He knows damn well not to attack us directly, it would be the end of his life, but he can and has provided aid to those who aren't so visible a target. You think the Bush family is looking for some revenge from the Gulf War, but Daddy won. Saddam is the one who has some revenge that needs to be exercised...
BTW - Diplomacy doesn't work with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, or...Hussein. They only respond when force is applied and history shows that to be fact. Name one dictator, with any kind of army available to him, who has ever responded to diplomacy.......

The flag waving bs is strong with this one.


I'm sure Iraq's alleged 2600 lbs of chemical warfare is as dangerous to the world as some 20,000 nuclear warheads in the US :rolleyes:


"while the madmen play on words
and make us all dance to thier song
to the tune of starving millions
to make a better kind of gun"

-2 minutes to midnight by Iron Maiden.

Originally posted by Murco
If you do not agree with the United States taking action against Iraq in response to their violation of UN treaty 1441, so be it.
If you do not agree that Palistinian and other Terrorists being funded by Iraq doesn't present a clear and present danger to the world, so be it.
If you feel that Saddam can be trusted by the world with weapons of mass destruction, even though he used them on his own countrymen, so be it.


This has nothing to do with UN resolutions, and it has been proven again and again that the US has absolutely no regard for what the UN, or any other nation says.

Originally posted by Murco

I really cannot understand why so many are parading the "moral justification" arguement of this intended action when those who claim such morals rarely live moral lives.


What do you base that claim on? I sincerely hope you're not going to explain that we live in sin with premarital sex, and abortions.

Originally posted by Murco

The US government officials in charge are not taking this action lightly and are taking whatever steps are nessessary to keep the action contained. We do not do this without stress, concern, and anxiety.
This isn't about oil, colonization, empire building, or greed. Those who claim it is have no knowledge of the Marshall Plan or the nation-building that the US has done in the past, at our own expense.

I agree that it is not about colonization or empire building, but it is entirely about oil and greed. If you can't see through the thick mist of propaganda, I suggest you try to consider more neutral viewpoints.

I constantly hear of anti-US propaganda that I'm being fed. Who is this coming from? I can easily pick out the pro-US propaganda I'm fed through American television and newspapers, but I'm quite interested to know how I am being brainwashed by sources outside my continent, and what they have to gain by it.

Really, do you think the entire world, exluding GB and Israel, is conspiring against America with a vast propaganda network?

Originally posted by Murco
Based upon your endless attacks on President Bush, your pointless barrages about America's greed for oil, and general anti-war musings I doubt you'd be convinced if you met Saddam as he was standing on a nuclear bomb. Your politics have blurred any hope you have of seeing the other side of this issue.

quote:


My politics are right-of-centre.Curiously,though,unlike most right wing supporters,I feel that blowing people to bits,occupying their land,and stealing their raw materials is wrong.The U.S.seems to be using ramant double standards on this one - none of the 'evidence' thathas been put forward would ever stand up in a U.S. court of law,the U.S.is prepared to put millions of civillians at risk in order to persue alleged offenders that it can't identify,and the U.S. is happy to let its own buddies ignore the U.N. with impunity while crying like a baby over Iraq's failure to comply.

This is not a defence action,it's a slap in the face to the free world.It's America saying,screw you,right or wrong,we're going to do this anyway.

Obviously you are incorrect, Mr. T, you oppose the US hunger for oil, this makes you a socialist liberal ;)

Originally posted by Cbass


I agree that it is not about colonization or empire building, but it is entirely about oil and greed. If you can't see through the thick mist of propaganda, I suggest you try to consider more neutral viewpoints.

I constantly hear of anti-US propaganda that I'm being fed. Who is this coming from? I can easily pick out the pro-US propaganda I'm fed through American television and newspapers, but I'm quite interested to know how I am being brainwashed by sources outside my continent, and what they have to gain by it.

Really, do you think the entire world, exluding GB and Israel, is conspiring against America with a vast propaganda network?
No, I truly feel that America has become SO powerful, SO rich, and SO dominant in the world that we have become a target of ridicule for the most everyone. I'm not into any conspiracy theories, but when I watch a UN meeting I can't help thinking, "these guys just don't get us!"
As the rest of the world's larger economic leaders are finding themselves crushed by huge unemployment, economic stagnation, and citizen entitlements our economy (I realize we are 50% socialist, based upon my tax output) will continue to expand and the situation will worsen. I feel that our position in the world isolated us after Russia fell and when you meet us, and understand us, you find that we are for the most part just trying to get by everyday just like everyone else. We aren't swayed by propoganda as you all seem to think. Hell, if we were we would have alot more voter turnout and wouldn't be so damn cynical. Most of our citizens are self-absorbed so they really cannot comment on world affairs, but they remember 9-11 and unfortunately are more than willing to accept ANY Arab leaders head on a platter. I am not of that thought and feel Saudi Arabia is a bigger threat to us, as a country. War on terrorists is new to the general American public, and leadership. We are used to fighting countries, not groups of individuals. We need to follow Israel's path after Munich in 1972 and hunt down the individuals and eliminate them one-by-one. We need to let the world know that if individuals attack us they will be hunted individually. Yes, Israel did kill 2 innocent people but it would be better than thousands.
I trained as a sniper and I think that is the best weapon against our current foes.
But Iraq does, in my opinion, present a danger to the US on many levels and I will back my President...

If there were proven WMD found by UN inspectors inside Iraq, or even evidence of conspiracys or moving the WMD, the US could justify it's current political/military stance in the Gulf. As it is, none of this evidence has been found. The only argument offered here by Murco is the fact that there are "2,600 lbs. of various chemical agents ". The US has obviously been aware of their location and ownership for some time, but never felt the need to get hostile about it before now. Suppose you explain that one to me? Or let's try these last couple

-The US currently wants to attack a country that has not provocated it in any way/method.

-The UN is still optimistic that diplomacy can prevail AND Saddam HAS granted the UN inspectors rights to go/do whatever and whenever they please.

Or finally,
Why should I, as a white male between 18 and 30 from a first world country go to war in Iraq and die fighting against a country that has done nothing wrong in the eyes of the definitive world authority (UN)?

Originally posted by Murco

No, I truly feel that America has become SO powerful, SO rich, and SO dominant in the world that we have become a target of ridicule for the most everyone. I'm not into any conspiracy theories, but when I watch a UN meeting I can't help thinking, "these guys just don't get us!"


That's not the problem! It's not the everyday Joe on the street that the world hates, it's the guys running the show that send your soldiers around the world to protect their interests. These are not the interests of the American people, they are the interests of the wealthy people who control the government. I hate to be the one who has to tell you this, but your government, both Republicans and Democrats, do very bad things, and then white wash them and lie to cover them up.

Originally posted by Murco

We need to follow Israel's path after Munich in 1972 and hunt down the individuals and eliminate them one-by-one. We need to let the world know that if individuals attack us they will be hunted individually. Yes, Israel did kill 2 innocent people but it would be better than thousands.


I wouldn't follow Israels lead in anything. The thing that the US holds as it's truest virtue is freedom, and liberty. There is no freedom in Israel. Well, maybe if you're jewish... but not if you're palestinian. The real terrorists there are the Israeli Defense Forces, who randomly bomb power and water infrastructure in arab towns, have a vast network of secret police who randomly haul people out of their homes and torture them to death, and are now building a massive wall to keep the palestinians out, and will shoot them on sight.

Originally posted by Murco

I trained as a sniper and I think that is the best weapon against our current foes.
But Iraq does, in my opinion, present a danger to the US on many levels and I will back my President...

The best weapon against your foes is to have better relations with them. There are no problems the US faces in the world today that can't be resolved with diplomacy.

Your opinion has been based on the news available to you in the US, so expect it to be a little pro war biased.

Isn't the majority of american media owned by Jewish people? Its very hard to get both sides of the story if you're a North American.

Oh, and if anyone thinks I'm being anti-semetic for this comment then you've completely missed the point.

Murco and Ranger-X, I agree with ya'lls points 100%.

Originally posted by TexasF355F1
Murco and Ranger-X, I agree with ya'lls points 100%.

I'm arguing against Murco's points. If you agree with one of us, its unlikely you agree with another :confused:

My bad, I understand what you are saying, but I do agree with Murco all the way. Sorry of the confusion.

Originally posted by Ranger_X
Isn't the majority of american media owned by Jewish people? Its very hard to get both sides of the story if you're a North American.

Oh, and if anyone thinks I'm being anti-semetic for this comment then you've completely missed the point.

While that is actually true, it is impossible to say it without immediately being labeled an anti semite. I'm not sure of the actual numbers, but there are a few media conglomerates owned by Jewish persons.

Actually, in Canada, almost all of media is owned by Izzy Asper and Moses Znaimer, both of whom are Jewish.

Originally posted by Cbass


While that is actually true, it is impossible to say it without immediately being labeled an anti semite.

There are plenty of ignorant people out there who are more than happy to apply their preconceived notions indiscriminately.Assuming that someone is a racist, simply because they acknowledge the ethnic origins of their fellow humans, is a common failing.

Originally posted by taranaki


There are plenty of ignorant people out there who are more than happy to apply their preconceived notions indiscriminately.Assuming that someone is a racist, simply because they acknowledge the ethnic origins of their fellow humans, is a common failing.

It's one of those subjects you can't really discuss, because there is no way to say it without sounding like a conspiracy theorist or an anti semite, or both...

In Canada though, I can prove 90% of our mainstream media is owned by 2 media moguls, both of whom are Jewish...