First Nitrous now Co2, what next?

I recently recieved my Summit Sport Compact catalog and on page 60 I noticed a kit that contained a liquid co2 kit that freezes your fuel rail to -80F, lowers your intake temp by about 35%, and can be connected to your intercooler at the same time to cool it also. Has anyone out there heard of this kit? And, what kind of gains could be possible with a kit like this? Besides there's prolly not a law deeming this type of think illegal either.

the 1st time I heard about it was in IT. The feb mag, (it has the tricked out integra with the 240sx front end on the cover)
Its made by a company named cryofuzion.Unfortunately it doesnt go into much detail :(

Well as he said, there isnt much info on it... but it sounds like your gonna have a grand old time spending big bucks filling a nitrous tank, and now a co2 tank. Theres a problem with this, most places (at least here in upstate ny - obviously other areas are differant) there arent many NOS stations, I see the same thing happening with CO2, the only way to get it "cheap" would be to buy a big tank, then "mini fill" your own tank on your own. Probably get the whole tank for $150 - compared to a $30-$40 fill at a store and the tank will probably last you months :smoka:

well besides the cooling effect those two sistems have nothing in common. Sounds like this co2 system is just a veryy effective cooler wich can definatevelly help without hurting the engine.

IS IT WORTH IT UNLESS YOUR A CAR NUT OR RACE FOR MONEY??

Neutrino :What do you mean they have nothing in common?
The cryofuzion system and the one q2ar13 mentioned both run off of a co2 bottle,and are used for the same applications.

Originally posted by V00D00
Neutrino :What do you mean they have nothing in common?
The cryofuzion system and the one q2ar13 mentioned both run off of a co2 bottle,and are used for the same applications.

i was comparing nitrous which is a form of forced induction with that co2 system wich seems only to be a cooler.

aaa ok gotcha.
Like your sig. i was thinking of puting some speed holes in my car.


:p

Originally posted by V00D00
aaa ok gotcha.
Like your sig. i was thinking of puting some speed holes in my car.
:p

Just be careful cuz modificatons of this magnitude are normally reserved to profesionals. You might go to fast....:D

I don't know about you guys, but I live in nebraska and it is extremely easy to get CO2 tanks filled. There are acouple places I know of where to get it filled around where I live in Hickville. NOS is another story on it's on though, some places to do it but not as easy to find.:smoker2:

My question is: is this thing BS or is it for real?

I would say that it is for real, since you saw the kit in a summit mag. I can't believe that no one had thought of it before. CO2 would work extremely well as a way to cool an engine because it doesn't really have any drawbacks. I would imagine that you would have to be careful when using it though.

Nitrous Express makes a CO2 application.

one of those paintball supply stores might be able to fill the co2 bottle if they have the proper fittings(just a thought).

What about the water that is contained in CO2, i have been considering this system, but it seems to me that water would get into the engine?

water in Co2? as far as i knew, co2 only has carbon and oxygen, it takes a little hydrogen to make water. maybe you mean condensation, well your not adding any water, so either the water in the air will go in the engine as vapor or liquid, it reall doesnt much matter, it still goes in, albeit in small amounts

what would happen if CO2 was injected into the intake?

Colder intake charge, but too much would be bad for your engine. You don't want the inside of your engine to be very cold, it won't work properly if it is. A little bit of cryo in it might get you some HP

CO2 is extremely easy to find....if there is a local paintball place you can get CO2 filled there...there is a place called LP gas in my town that will fill anything from propane (their main sales im sure) to CO2 to NO2 to Helium....its quite cheap too since they are industrial and not commercial sales....

What about the water that is contained in CO2, i have been considering this system, but it seems to me that water would get into the engine?

What??? Do you know any physics at all?


what would happen if CO2 was injected into the intake?


Considering the fact that CO2 will not burn what will happen is:

small amount: performance loss
large amount: engine will die

umm Co2 is extrenky cheap, i used to play paintball all the time and Co2 was about 10 cents and ounce. But that was being filled at a paintball shop, if you take the tank to a Co2 dealer who does commercial C02 its going to be more like 3-5 cents per ounce.

i was thinking....why not inject hydrogen and oxygen into the engine....talk about some horsepower gains....lol

i was thinking....why not inject hydrogen and oxygen into the engine....talk about some horsepower gains....lol
Because the engine will blow up perhaps?

CO2 is used in some fire extinguishers, it's also common as a protective gas for welding.

i was kidding...did you actually think i was serious...LMAO

BMW inject hydrogen, their cars have been able to take it since the seventies... but thats BMW....
(b4 comment i realise that this is subject to specialised injection etc.)

I'd say that the CO2 thing would work a treat particularly if you have a small intercooler, I have an MR2 so intercooling is hard and i'm gonna get the co2 system, but you have to be careful about where your intake is, you don't want the co2 to get to the intake or youll lose more than you make. My intake is on the opposite side of the engine bay with a big air scoop in the side of the car so i can use it no probs...

Using hydrogen as a fuel isn't a problem, but today there is no gain by doing it as the hydrogen usually comes from crude oil.

The problem for an engine is when you start to inject pure oxygen, the temperatures, combustion speed and pressures will go sky high. Dirty feeding lines for the oxygen is enough to start a fire.

short term perhaps... long term hydrogen will be good. still means you use the oil but at least you're not churning out CO2... depends what the rest of the oil gets used for.

there is a problem with using hydrogen as a fule...it is extremely volitile and very reactive...meaning that inorder to keep the cars safe and the fule good you have to have extremely expensive fule cells....and fule delivery....its been done...the exaust is simply water and nitrogen, but pure hydrogen is not a fun thing to play with....think about in the event of a crash and the fule cell gets punctured... i know there are already cars that used hydrogen...ill stick to my hydrogen combined with carbon to be a bit more stable...

you obviously haven't felt the effects of global warming. naa but seriously, i see it as a great future fuel, and its great for the environment, but it will be extremely difficult to implement, so it won't be in popular use for a while, hopefully before fuel becomes too expensive!

^^it hasnt been proved that there is global warming or that any of the human activities have caused the few holes in the ozone layre...it is simply green peace thory...AKA liberal BS....the earth goes through long cycles of cold and hot...IMO we are just reaching a hot right around the time that cars become popular...the holes havent gotten any smaller since more people started driving civics and corolas...besides...by the time it has any major effect ill be long dead and so will my children and more than likely my childrens children so... why should i care? and just to let you know plants absorb carbon dioxie and carbon monoxide so as long as all trees that are cut down are replaced then we have no problem there...if yo ucant stand smog stay out of a big city....your never going to have super clean anything when yo uconcentrate lots of humans togather in a place where nature cant clean up after us...

trees absorb CO (carbon monoxide)? are u sure about that? they take in CO2 and let out O, whereas we take in O and let out CO2, basically a cycle.

^^not all trees/plants...but there are some...otherwise there would be an overly large build up of carbon monoxide...and i beleive (im not sure) that carbon monoxide is almost exactly as dence as air...i may be wrong though...but if it is and it was never disposed of we would be getting carbon monoxide poisoning every day...i cant remember...it is either nearly equal in density or much less dence...i dont think it is more dence though... gahhh i wish i could rember this kind of stuff from chemistry...

^^not all trees/plants...but there are some...otherwise there would be an overly large build up of carbon monoxide...and i beleive (im not sure) that carbon monoxide is almost exactly as dence as air...i may be wrong though...but if it is and it was never disposed of we would be getting carbon monoxide poisoning every day...i cant remember...it is either nearly equal in density or much less dence...i dont think it is more dence though... gahhh i wish i could rember this kind of stuff from chemistry...

well u have to give me some proof of this, i've just taken bio this summer and all the plants need CO2 not CO. carbon monoxide is a odorless, colorless, poisonous gas that is created by the incomplete burning of fuel through combustion engines, fires, factories, etc., etc.
it does however once it gets into the upper atmosphere, ultraviolet light hits it, it then turns into CO2 and O.

^^i know what it is...i can remember if it is more or less dence than air at room tempature... :banghead:

^^i know what it is...i can remember if it is more or less dence than air at room tempature... :banghead:

it's neither, it has the same density as air. if u know what it is, then u know that this isn't the same as a natural gas and it can not support life unless its molecular compound hs been changed to either CO2 or O.

try living under one of the holes and perhaps you'll bother to find out more about it...keep living in your closed little imaginary world where everythings just fine and the monsters go away if you close your eyes....

in addition BMW haven't been using fuel cells, they've been using fuel tanks, and crash testing them since the seventies to get them safe. fuel cells are used to provide power for electric cars, i guess that means that "delivery" is as simple as some battery cables.

well besides the fact that the only hole that is large enough to make any impact is over antartica....and the fact that it has not been proven that we are causing global warming, if it even exists...let me ask yo ua question...are you with green peace or something? im being serious...

Holy Christ.
I can't believe I just read that.
Liberal BS? Greenpeace?
WTF chapter of the KKK are YOU with???

haha no... and the hole at the moment is actually over Australia and New Zealand, not Antarctica, you really are ignorant and like showing it huh?

you mentioned earlier that trees use co2 (and you said co hahaha) i don't know if you've noticed, but theres an awefull lot of farmland that used to have trees on it, and grass and crops don't make up for it, I really don't know if theres any point actually explaining ice core samples or "facts" to you, you simply dont seem to be capable of thought!

incidentally the hole in the ozone layer and global warming can be looked at as two seperate issues. If you'd ever BEEN under that hole you'd know it doesn't affect temperature, it allows UV spectrum light through.

mmmhmmm....no shit more UV rays dont effect heat....now lets hear it class...what for omf electro magnetic radiation causes molicules to become excited which our body trandlates as heat? i dont know what ozone depth maps you have been looking at but last time i have checked the only depletion that is large enough to make an impact is just west of the southpole...the large hole that was scaring the S*** out of earth loving left wingers completely covered antartica...but is now almost completely gone...wana know what? well if you knew anything yo uwould know that after UV light brakes down CFC's into Chlorien and Florien the chlorien they both have a positive charge and the carbon in the mix falls towars earth with the extra electrons untill it reacts with some oxygen to make C02...and since the Halogens are now positively charged they are attracted to the "negative" part of the earth...aka the south pole...now that we have learned al little chemistry lets shut our mouths and go wack off to "three time purple heart winner" john kerry...anyways this is a car chat and not a lets save ourselves from the big bad mistakes of the users of CFC's back in 1920-1970....

I agree with CBFRYMAN I dont think that global warming is an issue i think it is just going through a cycle like it has in the past. I dont want to get flamed and dont want to get more into the argument, i just thought i should share that im on CBFRYMAN's side and dont think its an issue.

80% of Australians and New zealanders are expected to have skin cancer in their life as a result of increased UV radiation. As i've said if you guys had ever been under the hole you'd feel what i mean, it's worse in NZ than Aus, and its worse in Southern Aus than northern Aus. You can FEEL it. besides, all i said originally was hydrogen cars are better for the environment, whether you think theres a problem or not that has to be a good thing!

short term perhaps... long term hydrogen will be good. still means you use the oil but at least you're not churning out CO2... depends what the rest of the oil gets used for.
As long you're using crude oil you will get the emission of CO2, the only difference is where you get it, at a factory or from your car. And using hydrogen will use up more crude oil than using gasoline.

If you don't want any CO2 emissions use for example bio-ethanol.

i have to admit i'm not familiar with the process of getting hydrogen from oil, i always thought they got it from water, by electrolisis (going back a while now), thats the aim of most of the car companies and stuff too cause it's renewable. i was thinking (depending on how its extracted from the oil, the biproduct could have gone to plastics or something rather than being combusted. OK I'm lucky enough to work for a petrochem company so i'm gonna go talk to the process engineers and find out what the rest could be used for.

plants that produce hydrogen from water?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2000/01/29/MN76411.DTL&type=printable

synthetic compound producing hydrogen from sunlight?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/aaas/2001-08-30-hydrogen-advances.htm

theres no doubting that hydrogen is a FUTURE potential fuel, for a number of reasons.

TRD2000 do you live in australia? or NZ? and where do you get your facts about 80% of aussies expected to get skin cancer? i can show you the most recent ozone depth maps i can find (late 2002) where are your facts about the whole 80% deal? just curious...

"Australians have the highest rate of skin cancer in the world. Two out of every three Australians who live to the age of 75 can expect to develop some type of skin cancer. For many years Australians thought a good suntan was a sign of a healthy body. The reality is that a good suntan is a sign that you are being exposed to too much UV radiation."

each year 278,000 australians are diagnosed with skin cancer, thats around 1.5% of the population every year and the figure is growing.

it's really not that hard to find information about it cause the government puts a LOT into making people aware of it. look it up. and I'm Australian, but i'm living in NZ. so i guess that gives me a bit of an advantage on the "feel it" thing.

http://www.hydrogen.org/Knowledge/w-i-energiew-eng3.html

But note that CO2 has noting to do with the ozone layer.

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incidentally the hole in the ozone layer and global warming can be looked at as two seperate issues.[QUOTE]

i know.
what i don't know is why this turned into an ecological debate just cause i said hydrogen would be a good future fuel cause it's clean??? is it so bad to not want to polute if you can help it???

it didnt get turned into a debate because you said it was an good fule...it got turned into a debate because of the carbon monoxide thing. Hydrogen is a clean, efficent fule... no doubt...but its is very costly to utilize it and make it be cost effective...

yeah but i'm still all for it cause stuff driving an electric car! besides, there is a LOT more room for competition for hydrogen because it is a LOT more available, meaning no OEC to control the market!

I wish to object to you CBFryman. Global warming is happening. Temperatures are rising when if we look at the temperrature ranges over earth's history they should be falling. There is more CO2 in the air than anytime in history except the time when practically all life was eradicated from the earth due to the CO2 (which then released trapped methane gas which made it worse and wham inhospitable planet for a few thousand years).

This plus the fact every single scientist who objects to global warming is being funded by an oil orientated big business. The facts being laid down aren't from weirdo greenpeace tools but respected scientists being funded by governments

HAHAHAHAHAHA ya, ok, i still havent seen any reports....

I Am At A Loss To How You Manage To Live Your Life Without Being Aware Of Anything Around You.

and you saying that the ozone layer fills up everytime it's depleted. It happens all the time. The reason it happens is because rather than having a steady stream of CFC's to deal with the CFC's are frozen with water vapour into the ice clouds above Antartica. Once it turns to spring and Antartica starts receiving light all the CFC's are released and it creates a large dent in the ozone layer, there is no hole just a dent. The reason it fills up again is because it has 3 seasons to replenish the ozone (O3). Also the same thing is happening in the northern hemisphere which is why countries have stopped using CFC's otherwise they would have kept going with your it ain't happening to me so I don't care

CFC's arent what hurt the ozone...my god i already explained this...CFC's are made of halogens such as clorien and florien. when they are hit by UV rays they brake down, the carbon in the CFC's falls to earth and the chlorien and florien move towards the poles. when they reach the poles they begine to fall back towards earth, when they hit the ozone layre they react with the oxygen. this depleats ozone. the thing is that CFC's havent been used for 30 years now. chlorien, in gaseous form, will not freez into water and neither will flourien. so the attack is constant, on top of the fact that the clouds are far below the ozone layre....