Ford Mustang GT VS Chevrolet Camaro Z28

You guys seem to know these cars pretty well so less personal crap and more about the cars, thank you

F Body or Mustang???? None of them- they both suck I'll take this for cheap, raw mullet-fest V8 power :D:D


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Mustangs and camaros DO NOT suck!!!!!!!!! They both look awesome and are very fast! :smile:

looks are a subjective thing- I personally think they are both ugly and that the Monaro/GTO looks much better- theres no denying that they are fast- but they are too far behind the times IMHO

Originally posted by Jimster
F Body or Mustang???? None of them- they both suck I'll take this for cheap, raw mullet-fest V8 power :D:D


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For once I can actually agree with about half your post, but you should be happy, the next gen Fbody will be based on either this or a new holden chassis, albeit with either a real IRS (double wishbone) or a solid axle out back, we dont need trailing arm shit on a pony car eh?

Originally posted by yojcbeast


ls6 vs. blown 4.6=close race
blown ls6 vs. blown 4.6= not a race
man, a blown ls6 could easily run low 11s, 10s. wow :thefinger
and for the extra 10k you're paying for with a corvette, you're getting luxury, true v-8 power.
Oh, I just remembered something, my friend's dad has a supercharged 2003 z06
puts down 625 horses

First off I just want to say this thread comparison is stupid. 260 VS an underrated 310? HELLO?
MACH I is close but not close enough because the Z is so underrated.

And yojcbeast here, is comparing a 45K car to a 35K car. OK, lets put 10 Grand into that Cobra and see how it measures up to the Vette, SEEYA! Who cars about luxury? I would be scared to drive any car thats made of fiberglass (especially a 625 HP one)and if you get in an accident will kill you. I prefer metal. Speed is what matters. My truck makes about 325 HP, and it weighs 5000 pounds, but can still lay the smackdown on a GT. I would even race a Mach I, it would be close because I have auto with shift kit which is much faster than 5 speed. I would not beat a Z28 or SS though, never tried they are pretty scarce around here and the people that do have them are all pussies. My point is why do people compare the dumbest things?

Er, just so you know, the corvette has a hydroformed steel frame, fiberglass is just the body paneling, which does jack to protect you in an accident anyway.

Originally posted by FYRHWK1
Er, just so you know, the corvette has a hydroformed steel frame, fiberglass is just the body paneling, which does jack to protect you in an accident anyway.

If a car hits you in the side...
The frame is in the middle, you practically sit on it. Meaning that a side impact will crush the door and go right into you.
Corvettes have never been very safe, this is a known fact. But people don't by them for safety of course.

First of all, they do very well in crash tests. secondly, the frame isn't "in the middle" it's a full perimeter frame, meaning if you get hit in the door, the front adnd rear windshield pillars will absorb it as well as the siderail, not to mention the doors side impact beams.

A Camaro just sits there, like a rock. Chevrolet is nothing else than a division of general motors that takes all their good performance cars, and redesigns them into economical V6 front wheel drive cars, I can't wait until chevy redesigns the camaro! I've always wanted a front wheel drive car!
:biggrin:

Originally posted by Euro19
A Camaro just sits there, like a rock. Chevrolet is nothing else than a division of general motors that takes all their good performance cars, and redesigns them into economical V6 front wheel drive cars, I can't wait until chevy redesigns the camaro! I've always wanted a front wheel drive car!
:biggrin:

:loser:

Actually the Mach 1 is a good competitor for the camaro Z28. Ford underrated the mach 1 engine. The mach 1, which has the same dohc engine that was put in former cobras, is making about 320hp and 320tq. That is pretty close to the ls1 Z28.
P.S. I was just wondering why chevy makes botha Z28 and a SS when they both have the exact same LS1?:confused:

Originally posted by stangvette1

P.S. I was just wondering why chevy makes botha Z28 and a SS when they both have the exact same LS1?:confused:

Well it's interior options mostly I think. Like power options, and leather, etc. I think the Z28 has more options, SS is just for raw power.

The SS is just an upgraded Z28. The Z28 would have more options because the Z's sent to SLP were loaded to start with. I know the 1996 SS's were down this way, chevy sent the z28 off to SLP and they upgraded the exhaust, suspension, intake, slapped vette wheels on it and a couple of other options depending on the package and sent it out the door.

Originally posted by Self
Mustang sells better because it's cheaper...CHEAPER...CHEAPER CHEAPER!!!!!

Yea, the Mustang is a cheaper car than the Camaro/Firebird, and that's why it sells better, plain and simple:)


Wrongo dude...

The 2002 Camaro Z28 could be had for around $24K base price.

The LS1 f-bodies spank the Mustang GT like a red-headed step child in EVERY performance category, no exception.

Originally posted by 1996Z28SS
The SS is just an upgraded Z28. The Z28 would have more options because the Z's sent to SLP were loaded to start with. I know the 1996 SS's were down this way, chevy sent the z28 off to SLP and they upgraded the exhaust, suspension, intake, slapped vette wheels on it and a couple of other options depending on the package and sent it out the door.

Z28 doesn't have more options...

Here's the skinny on 98+ f-bodies.

Chevrolet:
Camaro V6
Camaro RS (Same V6 engine. It was sent to SLP for a performance and appearance package, it has better exhaust and about 10 more HP than the basic V6)
Camaro Z28 (The cheapest of the LS1 f-bodies. It is a a little known fact that a basic Z28 was actually cheaper than a Mustang GT. The LS1 Z28 is rated at 310 HP.)
Camaro SS (The Z28's were sent to SLP for some modifications. These mods included hood, airbox lid, tires, rims, suspension, exhaust, and other appearance/luxury mods. A Camaro SS could be had anywhere from 325 to 345 HP from your dealer.)

Pontiac:
Firebird V6
Firebird GT (Is the same thing as the Camaro RS)
Firebird Formula (Is the cheapest of the LS1 Firebirds. It is basically a V6 body with the LS1 engine in it. It doesn't have all the frills of the Trans Am, and thus is the lightest of all the body styles.)
Firebird Trans Am (310 HP LS1, leather seats, trim, and high spoiler come standard.)
Firebird Trans Am WS6 (My car :) The Trans Am WS6 is similar to the basic Camaro SS. It has a new hood, better suspension, less restrictive exhaust, and ram air. Rated at 325 HP.)
Firebird Firehawk (The mother of all the SLP cars... The Firehawk is comparable to the fully loaded Camaro SS. The Firehawk is 345 HP standard, and has better suspension, exhaust and tires. Things that are options on the Camaro SS are standard on Firehawk.)

That's it for the f-bodies that you will see from day to day.

Every once in a while, you may be so fortunate as to catch a glimpse of the GMMG f-bodies. Like a Berger SS, or a Firebird BlackBird with 380 HP. Maybe if you are really lucky, you'll see a Camaro ZL1 supercar with the C5-R LS6 and 600 HP.... don't get your hopes up.... it costs over $100K

Another note... yes the SVT Cobra is simply bad-ass. Give credit where credit is due, and don't come up with a lame excuse like "all they did was slap a blower on it." Eat some humble pie, go to work, mod your car, and come back and spank it :)

mustangs are slower and shitty looking. my friend has a 95 gt while i have a 95 z28. i gave him about 4 car lengths of a head start and still smoked his ass in the qaurter, and his engine has some mods on it. mustangs just suck.

f.o.r.d
F*#ck on race day

mustangs are slower and shitty looking. my friend has a 95 gt while i have a 95 z28. i gave him about 4 car lengths of a head start and still smoked his ass in the qaurter, and his engine has some mods on it. mustangs just suck.
:banghead: The GT mustang cannot be compared with a Z28. Ford didn't make the GT to combat them, that's what the Cobra a Mach are for.
Why don't you try to race a Mach I? After it smokes your doors off, maybe you will think differently. A Mach cannot beat an LS1, but it will certainly smoke an LT1. And the same with the old Cobra's, which have the same engine as the new Mach I.

:banghead: The GT mustang cannot be compared with a Z28. Ford didn't make the GT to combat them, that's what the Cobra a Mach are for.
Why don't you try to race a Mach I? After it smokes your doors off, maybe you will think differently. A Mach cannot beat an LS1, but it will certainly smoke an LT1. And the same with the old Cobra's, which have the same engine as the new Mach I.

Dude...

How can you say the GT and Z28 cannot be compared - and then say it is the Z28 and the Mach 1 that should be compared?

There is no 2003 Z28. There is no 2002 Mach 1.

These cars were never even produced at the same TIME! How the hell can you say they were supposed to compete with EACH OTHER?
:banghead:

I will give you that it is a more fair competition between the Z28 and Mach 1... but don't kid yourself by saying the GT wasn't supposed to compete with the Z28 while the Z28 was in production. Just because the Camaro whipped the shit out of its counterpart from Ford doesn't mean you should start comparing cars that weren't meant to compete with each other to make up for the GT's inadequacy.

While the f-bodies were in production, there was no Mustang that compared... i.e. the Z28 smoked the GT. The WS6 and SS smoked the Cobra. Saleens were garbage (that's right, I said it) and no Mustang will ever touch the Camaro ZL1.

Now the 2003 Cobra and the Mach 1 are serious cars, indeed. I like them quite a bit. But there is no 2003 f-body to compete with them... I wish there were. I wonder what would have become of the WS6 the second GM heard Ford was throwing a supercharger on the Cobra :iceslolan ... that's all speculation.

Just don't kid yourself by saying the Z28 wasn't Ford's main competitor with the GT.

Dude...

How can you say the GT and Z28 cannot be compared - and then say it is the Z28 and the Mach 1 that should be compared?


The old Cobra (96-99) has the same engine as the new Mach I. I remember mentioning the cobra...
I still don't even understand how YOU can say that they should be compared, 260 HP VS 310 + more torque? Plus the obvious price differences, like 6 grand right?

The old Cobra (96-99) has the same engine as the new Mach I. I remember mentioning the cobra...
I still don't even understand how YOU can say that they should be compared, 260 HP VS 310 + more torque? Plus the obvious price differences, like 6 grand right?


You are horribly wrong on the price difference... a basic Z28 could be had for around $23K.

Don't blame me for comparing 260 HP to 310 HP... blame Ford. While the Z28 was in produciton, Ford competed with it using the Mustang GT. Since the Z28 is out of production, you can't say that any Mustang released in the future was meant to challenge the Camaro.

It is certainly a BETTER matchup between the Mach 1 and Z28... too bad Ford didn't produce the Mach1 while the Z28 was still around.

The old Cobra (96-99) has the same engine as the new Mach I. I remember mentioning the cobra...
I still don't even understand how YOU can say that they should be compared, 260 HP VS 310 + more torque? Plus the obvious price differences, like 6 grand right?

Sorry buddy, but price rules all, the GT is the Z28's competitor and it fails miserably in every aspect, except sales being its such a wonderful secretaries car. Even the cobras and machI's are slower down the 1/4 comparing best times, they are however much closer then the GT, it only takes a 30K+ car from ford to compete with a 23K Z28...

ok, we're looking at cars that have been constant rivals. They've always been competing with each other. Some generations stangs rock and sometimes chevy is on top. It all evens out when you look at it! It doesnt really matter at all ok? they're all sweet as hell and they're all American!

Honestly, I hate when i see these die-hard chevy or ford guys that are always going at each others throats. Its just a matter of which car looks better to YOU!

personally i prefer the stangs. I'm not saying i dont like the camaros or anything or think they're slow! Either way, they're both fast cars. But of course there will always be that competitive feeling between muscle car owners....

Yes, the mustang gt will get beat by the camaro Z28, the camaro ss, and the transam. But the gt is NOT the best comparison for these gm muscle cars! The mach 1 is! The mach 1 can run low 13s, which is pretty good for a 29k car. Besides, the 2003 cobra would blow the frickin doors off of any camaro or transam ever made!

Who stopped Chevy from producing Camaros? answer that for me, it's not Fords fault that they did. Mustangs DO look better and PWN did mention the older Cobras...

Yes, the mustang gt will get beat by the camaro Z28, the camaro ss, and the transam. But the gt is NOT the best comparison for these gm muscle cars! The mach 1 is! The mach 1 can run low 13s, which is pretty good for a 29k car. Besides, the 2003 cobra would blow the frickin doors off of any camaro or transam ever made!

I've been saying that from the start.
Mach I with Drag radials is capable of high 12's, but completely stock low 13's like you said.
Yeah the new cobra will smack the crap out of it, but look at the price difference...

The Stang GT verse a z28, ||the Z28||

Transam WS6 verse Cobra R ||Cobra R||

The Stang GT verse a z28, ||the Z28||

Transam WS6 verse Cobra R ||Cobra R||


Out of curiosity, what are the specs on the Cobra R, Im not the most informed when it comes to mustangs.

Out of curiosity, what are the specs on the Cobra R, Im not the most informed when it comes to mustangs.

Cobra R ($55,000)
385bhp @ 6250rpm
385lb-fft @ 4250rpm
0-60 4.5sec
1/4mile 12.9 sec @ 113mph
skidpad 1.01g

Yes, the mustang gt will get beat by the camaro Z28, the camaro ss, and the transam. But the gt is NOT the best comparison for these gm muscle cars! The mach 1 is! The mach 1 can run low 13s, which is pretty good for a 29k car. Besides, the 2003 cobra would blow the frickin doors off of any camaro or transam ever made!

You are the first of many posts I must disagree with.

The GT may not be the best COMPARISON or closest MATCH-UP to the LS1 f-bodies, but the GT WITHOUT QUESTION was the car which Ford used to compete with the Z28. Period. Just because it got its doors blown off, doesn't mean you can change the rules to make your argument more convenient for you. How you can say that a car built a year after the CAMARO WAS CANCELED was supposed to compete with it is beyond normal logical thinking.

Even if you want to compare the Mach 1 to the Z28, here is how they matchup.

Mach 1 = low 13's with a truly amazing driver. You'll see them run around 13.5 much more often.

Z28's = high 12's with a truly amazing driver. You'll see them run around 13.1 - 13.4 much more often.

2003 Cobra will not blow the doors off of any f-body ever made. Perhaps you have heard of the Berger SS, or the Firebird Blackbird. 2003 Cobra fails compared to these cars. Indeed they are much more limited production, and they are a higher price, but you ought to know that the 2003 Cobra WILL NOT beat "every" f-body ever made.

Here is how a 2003 Cobra stacks up against my 2002 WS6:
MSRP on the Cobra = about $35K. MSRP on my 2002 WS6 = $31K. After $3K in modifications made to my WS6, I will be running in the neighborhood of 12.7 -- fender to fender with the '03 Cobra... for $1K less, and I will still be N/A.

Who stopped Chevy from producing Camaros? answer that for me, it's not Fords fault that they did. Mustangs DO look better and PWN did mention the older Cobras...

How the hell does that have anything to do with anything in this thread?

I've been saying that from the start.
Mach I with Drag radials is capable of high 12's, but completely stock low 13's like you said.
Yeah the new cobra will smack the crap out of it, but look at the price difference...


This is Mustang GT vs. Camaro Z28. (I got that from the thread title)

Stop making excuses because the Z28 is the superior car.

The Stang GT verse a z28, ||the Z28||

Transam WS6 verse Cobra R ||Cobra R||

You have got to be shitting me.

So now a WS6 vs. Cobra R is a fair comparison?

Go put the crackpipe down and take a nap.

If you want to reference the Cobra R, then I might as well show you the GMMG Camaro ZL1 Supercar. C5-R LS6 engine, 600 HP.

In 2002, the last year that f-bodies were produced, they stacked up against the Mustang like this.

Z28 and Formula/Trans Am = Mustang GT
Camaro SS and Trans Am WS6 = Mustang Cobra.

There is no debate about this.

Guys...

I like Mustangs. I like American Muscle... its tradition and heritage is unmatched by any whiney-soundind rice rocket.

We are indeed on the same side.

While a little friendly rivalry is good, and healthy... you still must formulate your arguments based on facts, and logical, rational thought processes.

I am glad the Mustang is still around. I hope one day, the Camaro returns. Until then, I will be pulling for a Mustang to win EVERY race there is with a rice rocket. The 2003 Cobra is an amazing machine... and I really can't wait until the next generation Mustang comes out.

Long live V8 rumble and American muscle.

This is Mustang GT vs. Camaro Z28. (I got that from the thread title)

Stop making excuses because the Z28 is the superior car.
If you look at the post I replied too, it might make sense. I agree that FORD made the GT to combat the Z28, but our point is that it's such a dumb comparison it shouldn't be compared. I mean look, a 260 HP car VS a underrated 310 + more torque? Umm, duh.
We are saying that the Mach (or older Cobra)is a much closer contender, speed wise. The GT VS Z28 was a dumb comparison in the first place.

The cobra will blow the frickin doors off a camaro ss or transam!!!!! Someone brought up the LT1. How about the boss concept about 5-10 years ago. That think went 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. The transam has ~340 horsepower compared to the 400+ hp cobra. The cobra is better!!! The only GM product as fast as the cobra is the Z06!!!

The cobra will blow the frickin doors off a camaro ss or transam!!!!! Someone brought up the LT1. How about the boss concept about 5-10 years ago. That think went 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. The transam has ~340 horsepower compared to the 400+ hp cobra. The cobra is better!!! The only GM product as fast as the cobra is the Z06!!!
I said the OLDER cobra. Meaning the 96-98 ones with 305 HP, non-supercharged. Of course the new SVT will blow the doors off an SS, the Cobra was designed to combat the Z06-NOT a camaro or T/A. And it fails, miserably. But of course the price difference of the Z06 makes getting the SVT Cobra so worth buying it. Because the price difference is like 8k, so put 8K into the Cobra and it will smoke a Z06.

Its all about the camaro!!! Mustang Sucks!! All Ford SUX!!!
i have a 74 camaro automatic 3 spd. and i pull off mustang gt all the time! i don't reallt even need to get on it to much. talk about gas milage! if you where worried about gas milage you wouldn't be driving a fuckin muscle car. the z28 350 is pullin 330 horses 380 torque stock..... mustang? 305? not even, the block is only a 305. it all about the chevy! chevy will always rule on ANY FORD.

My what an intelligent post

The most ignorant post gets the first response:

Its all about the camaro!!! Mustang Sucks!! All Ford SUX!!!
All Fords do not suck.

i have a 74 camaro automatic 3 spd. and i pull off mustang gt all the time! i don't reallt even need to get on it to much.
You're lying.

talk about gas milage! if you where worried about gas milage you wouldn't be driving a fuckin muscle car. the z28 350 is pullin 330 horses 380 torque stock..... mustang? 305? not even, the block is only a 305.
The Mustang block nowadays is a 4.6 liter... roughly 281. The older fox-bodies had the 5 liter, which was a 302. The z28 is a 346, and pumps out about 340 HP stock.

it all about the chevy! chevy will always rule on ANY FORD.
No... it won't. Not as long as ignorant people like you hold your close-minded and uneducated opinions -- then come onto a legitimate threads and spread your bullshit by speaking in sentence fragments with 12-year-old grammar skills.

The cobra will blow the frickin doors off a camaro ss or transam!!!!!
This is true. However... the SVT Cobra you are referring to is a 2003 model. There is no 2003 f-body. I have been down this road before... you cannot say that Ford introduced the 2003 Cobra to smoke the WS6 or SS. The Ford did what they did to the Cobra to make it uber-bad-ass. And it is.

Someone brought up the LT1. How about the boss concept about 5-10 years ago. That think went 0-60 in less than 3 seconds.
What the hell does the LT1 have anything to do with anything? The LT1 is inferior to the LS1 in stock trim. You speak of it here as if it were something sent from God.

The Boss Concept? Apparently "concept" means nothing to you. To me, "concept" means "not produced" or "not yet produced." In other words... concepts are always sweet, so to compare them to a production car is living in a fan-boy dream world.

The transam has ~340 horsepower compared to the 400+ hp cobra. The cobra is better!!!
The name of this thread = "Mustang GT vs. Camaro Z28"
You are in the wrong thread.

The only GM product as fast as the cobra is the Z06!!!
Actually, the C5 Corvette (12.7 @ 111 stock) is as fast (or faster) as the Cobra.
The Z06 is in a whole nother world from the Cobra. There is no comparison.

I said the OLDER cobra. Meaning the 96-98 ones with 305 HP, non-supercharged. Of course the new SVT will blow the doors off an SS,
True.

the Cobra was designed to combat the Z06-NOT a camaro or T/A.
You had a good thing going until you said that. The Mustang is NOT in the same class as any Corvette... its performance might be similar. But it is a pony/muscle car... not a GT like the Corvette.

And it fails, miserably. But of course the price difference of the Z06 makes getting the SVT Cobra so worth buying it. Because the price difference is like 8k, so put 8K into the Cobra and it will smoke a Z06.
Well... put about $20K into a Civic and you will have a car that can smoke BOTH, and cost less than both. That doesn't make it better.

By the way... the price difference from a Cobra to a Z06 is more than $8K.

You had a good thing going until you said that. The Mustang is NOT in the same class as any Corvette... its performance might be similar. But it is a pony/muscle car... not a GT like the Corvette.


By the way... the price difference from a Cobra to a Z06 is more than $8K.
Well what do you think Ford made to combat the Z06? Why did Ford make the Cobra? If the Cobra was not made to combat the Z06, than why does everybody compare them? Including TV shows?

Well I was going to say 10, but I thought I would just play it safe so someone doesn't flame me for not knowing the exact difference in price.

Well what do you think Ford made to combat the Z06? Why did Ford make the Cobra? If the Cobra was not made to combat the Z06, than why does everybody compare them? Including TV shows?

Well I was going to say 10, but I thought I would just play it safe so someone doesn't flame me for not knowing the exact difference in price.

I don't think Ford has anything that is meant to directly challenege the Z06.

I have seen magazine comparo's of a regular C5 and a SVT Cobra (the C5 still won by the way) ... but I have never seen a Z06 vs. SVT comparo. And I am glad, because I would immediately lose respect for any publication who would do such a ridiculous comparison. The two cars have nothing to do with each other.

Even the Cobra vs. C5 Corvette is still a little weird. Their performance numbers may be similar... but so are a Corvette and a CL 55 AMG... just because cars perform similarly, doesn't mean they are directly comparable. The Corvette is a 2 seater sports/GT car... and the Mustang is a 4 seater pony/muscle car.

MSRP on a Z06 is roughly $54 K
MSRP on a SVT Cobra is roughly $36K

I have seen magazine comparo's of a regular C5 and a SVT Cobra (the C5 still won by the way) ... but I have never seen a Z06 vs. SVT comparo.

What??? An SVT will smoke a C5!
I see comparos of the SVT and Z06 all the time. I didn't think the C5 was even a conflict.
According the MotorTrend the SVT ''isn't quite up to the standards of a Z06, but it's close and when you take the money into account the SVT is actually a better deal''. And the one guy from SVT said ''sure the Z06 is faster, but take the money you would save and put that into the Cobra and look what happens''.

ok, all of this bickering about prices needs to stop, the fact is that a z28 is MUCH better than a GT, period. You get what you pay for, even if the fords are cheaper, they are still lacking in all categoreys... a cars value isnt based just on speed or 1/4 mile times, and put that svt on a track with actual turns with a c5 :\

but the fact is...
z28/ss > GT
I dont see anything that the mustang has up on the camaro

but the fact is...
z28/ss > GT
I dont see anything that the mustang has up on the camaro
Well no kidding the SS is better than the GT. Maybe if you compare the right things here. The Cobra (older Cobra)needs to be compared to a SS. They are close to the same price and speed. But the SS will still win, my point is you can't even compare the SS to the GT.
IMHO the GT is a piece of crap. It is very slow, and it saddens me that Ford made this to combat the Z28. That was just plain stupid.

PWMAN...

An M6 C5 will hit 12.7 @ 111 -- very comparable to the SVT Cobra. A stock Z06 will hit low 12's... with the occaisional "freak" running around 12 flat bone stock.

Go to your local track and see what REALLY happens. By the way, your MotorTrend people which claim to be a reliable source of info, also say the a Camaro SS runs a 13.8, a Porsche 911 Turbo runs 12.9, and a Corvette Z06 runs a 12.8. I am frankly offended by reading some of the crap in those magazines.

Sure, the price difference between the Z06 and the SVT Cobra leaves a lot of money for mods... but the price difference between an SVT Cobra, and a Honda Civic... the Honda Civic would wipe the floor with it. That doesn't make it a better car. I would take a bone stock Corvette Z06 over a SVT Cobra with $15K worth of mods any day.

If you look at the post I replied too, it might make sense. I agree that FORD made the GT to combat the Z28, but our point is that it's such a dumb comparison it shouldn't be compared. I mean look, a 260 HP car VS a underrated 310 + more torque? Umm, duh.
We are saying that the Mach (or older Cobra)is a much closer contender, speed wise. The GT VS Z28 was a dumb comparison in the first place.

Earlier post:
The GT mustang cannot be compared with a Z28. Ford didn't make the GT to combat them, that's what the Cobra a Mach are for.
Why don't you try to race a Mach I? After it smokes your doors off, maybe you will think differently. A Mach cannot beat an LS1, but it will certainly smoke an LT1. And the same with the old Cobra's, which have the same engine as the new Mach I.

Two posts by you... I thought I would show you some inconsistencies, and why I have felt the need to carry out this argument with you.

ok.. since no one can agree on what is a fair comparison.. lets just do this

6cyl mustang vs 6cyl camaro... woah, camaro wins here too :P

and you cant distinguish between the z28 and the SS because in reality they are the same car.. wow one has 20ish more hp and diff badges...
and seriously, you get what you pay for.. the mustang GT is totally out classed by them

Earlier post:


Two posts by you... I thought I would show you some inconsistencies, and why I have felt the need to carry out this argument with you.
At first I thought that the GT wasn't Fords combat to the Z28. But since I was corrected, now I admit that I was wrong.

NSUCK- The SS is about a half a second faster in the 1/4. HP ratings don't mean jack.

ok.. since no one can agree on what is a fair comparison.. lets just do this

6cyl mustang vs 6cyl camaro... woah, camaro wins here too :P

and you cant distinguish between the z28 and the SS because in reality they are the same car.. wow one has 20ish more hp and diff badges...
and seriously, you get what you pay for.. the mustang GT is totally out classed by them

In reality the Z28 and the SS are not the "same" car.

I just want to say that mustangs come supercharged and with DOHC and only 390hp that just sucks. Ad a supercharger to a Camaro or a vette or whatever you want and it will beat a mustang. Ive heard of stock 01 ss camaros beating stock cobras

Ive heard of stock 01 ss camaros beating stock cobras
Well no kidding, 4.6L VS 5.7. There is no replacement for displacement, the 5.7 kills the 4.6 in the torque factor. Plus the ones you are comparing to are not supercharged. The older Cobras have 305 HP, non-SC'd. The new SVT has 390 HP supercharged. And it's a roots blower pushing a whopping 6 PSI, of course it's not going to gain much. You would be better off buying a GT and supercharging it. With a centrifical pushing about 12 intercooled PSI you should get about 450 HP out of the GT engine. And that's the SOHC 2 valve, just think if you supercharged the older cobra with the DOHC 4 valve-you would have more power than the chassis can handle.

yea.. even SS / older cobra comparison isnt fair (well its fair, but the results arnt :P )

For all of you cobra nuts... think of it this way...

2003+ svt cobra vs 98-2002 SS Camaro + supercharger...

2003+ svt cobra vs 98-2002 SS Camaro + supercharger...
OMG didn't you read my post at all? The stock supercharger is pushing a non-intercooled 6 PSI, thats barely anything. Roots blowers are also the most inefficient, they create more heat. Plus they lower the compression in that engine anyway so it's making less power to begin with.
So put an intercooled centrifical blower on an older GT and then it's easy as pie to smoke an SVT Cobra, with a GT.

ok.. but on the same note

Supercharged GT vs Supercharged z28/ss poses the same problem so were stuck again...

If you wanna say the GT is better because its cheaper than the z28, then we can say the z28/SS is better than the Cobra because they are cheaper too.. we can just add a supercharger too if we wanted :P
the LS1 also has alot more potential than the Ford motor does.

ok.. but on the same note

Supercharged GT vs Supercharged z28/ss poses the same problem so were stuck again...

Actually not. The LS1 has 10.2:1 compression, the 4.6L GT engine has 9.4:1 CR. So you can boost the GT about 8 more PSI on pump gas.
So boosting the 310 HP LS1 about 8 PSI, it should have about 450 HP.
Boosting the 260 HP 4.6L 16 PSI, you can do about 500 HP. The only difference then is torque, which will be much higher in the LS1 of course. But for a light car you don't need too much torque, so the LS1 might never get traction without big drag radials on the back.
So in a 1/4 mile race, I'm not so sure what would win, a 500 HP GT or 450 HP LS1 F-body.??? It's so close, why don't we call it even huh? I'm tired of arguing.

Im not biased at all. I used to like mustangs, untill they started running 14's.-er they've always ran 14's stock. (any after 1960's) But, if the Mustang had a 5.7, or the Camaro had a 4.6, then i would have some more to say, but i understand how it isnt entirly fair. Lets just say, Camaro is better because the mustang is handy-capped... oh yeah, heres a 1999 GT. Has head light removed, and a cold air intake...
(tries to refrain from laughing :lol2: )