Minority Rule

The US makes up roughly 7.5% of the worlds population.
A pretty small number by anyone's standards.

I want to know what gives them the right to act as the worlds police, and cliamants to the only way to operate a Society.

Simply having the most money and guns dosnt cut it for me as a suitable reason.

Originally posted by Moppie
The US makes up roughly 7.5% of the worlds population.
A pretty small number by anyone's standards.

I want to know what gives them the right to act as the worlds police, and cliamants to the only way to operate a Society.

Simply having the most money and guns dosnt cut it for me as a suitable reason.

I completely agree. most of the time when there is an incident that is international who gets involved? the US. Not that they need to, they just feel that "oh, we are the big-shots, we need to show them what to do". You're right, the US feels that since they have a large sum of capital availible and an elite army, they can do whatever the hell they want and control everything. I fear that this will lead to a war *cough* Iraq *cough*. oh well, just my $0.02

I also want to know why the US feels it has the right to enforce its own cultural values and ideals on to the rest of the world, its minority forces its opinion on to a majority.

The US is looking out for its best intrest.

Originally posted by kris
The US is looking out for its best intrest.


And just what is that "best intrest"?

Originally posted by Moppie



And just what is that "best intrest"?


What ever suites the US.

Just like I will do whatever it takes, for my well being. If it includes stepping on others toes, so be it. But I'm sure the person next to me has a different idea on what his "weill being" is.

Thats basically what it comes down to.

Originally posted by Moppie



And just what is that "best intrest"?

To be a super power. This is how super powers are, they but into other business and have to be big brother to the world. Personally I think we should butt out. It would save us a lot of problems. The other side is that if we don't come to aid people start bitching.

It is a dammed if you do and damned if you don't. Personally we should save that money, we have starving people over hear to worry about. You have to dig your self out of the hole before you can help the others out.

I know this is really off subject, but does anyone else besides me like Kris' avatar?

Moppie, I'm in complete agreement with you. That overbearing self-richeousness transparent in US political culture leaves a bitter residue for others in this world who happen not to ascribe to the offensive theorum that American interests are primary over all else, including their own

And never has US motives been more baldy displayed than since GWB personified the US's self-appointed mantle of 'ruler of the known universe'. If other independent nations worldwide dare to object to the US's blatant willingness to grab for oil through mass murder, they are confronted by the following American edicts

They are:
'Be subservient to US Big-Business elite
Pay for our interests with your country's blood
Comply or suffer'

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Thunda Downunda
Moppie, I'm in complete agreement with you. That overbearing self-richeousness transparent in US political culture leaves a bitter residue for others in this world who happen not to ascribe to the offensive theorum that American interests are primary over all else, including their own

And never has US motives been more baldy displayed than since GWB personified the US's self-appointed mantle of 'ruler of the known universe'. If other independent nations worldwide dare to object to the US's blatant willingness to grab for oil through mass murder, they are confronted by the following American edicts

They are:
'Be subservient to US Big-Business elite
Pay for our interests with your country's blood
Comply or suffer'

:rolleyes:

That's what I was trying to say, He just had a better way of putting it:D

Thank you kindly

And before I cop a barrage of criticism from others, note I didn't denigrate or target average decent American citizenry

i just got a little quote for u guys
"yankee go home but take me with you"

it is that other countrys bitch that we come into their country but when we back out and leave who comes over here?

Originally posted by 96Hatch
i just got a little quote for u guys
"yankee go home but take me with you"

it is that other countrys bitch that we come into their country but when we back out and leave who comes over here?

For just one example, doesn't the US incur the highest murder rates in the western world?

"Give us your poor, your frail, your sick"

Hardly a tempting destination. I'll happily stay in my home .. please try and contain yourselves to yours

Originally posted by 96Hatch

it is that other countrys bitch that we come into their country but when we back out and leave who comes over here?


No one comes over here out of fear of being deemed a terrorist.

Can you imagine if the U.S. really did "stay to itself". Cut off ALL foreign aid. All humanitarian aid. All food exports. Cut off all imports from any country. Just grow our own and keep it. Fuck everyone else. When there is an eco disaster or earthquake or floods. Front em. Let someone else take care of it. When Saddam gives a nuke to terrorists and they set it off in Paris. Fuck it. You clean it up. Let Uganda come help.

The reason that the U.S. is what it is, is because there is no one else to do it. I would say more like the worlds mom than the worlds police man. We try to break up children from fighting, we feed em lunch. We buy their stupid shit that they sell to help their economy. We clean up their messes. And yes, some times we must step in to whoop some ass. That doesn't make us evil or an empire. We really can't wait until everyone else grows up and can take care of them selves.

Face it. Most of the world, without western technology, are the same as they were 2000 years ago. They are cave men with cell phones.

Sorry just my rant. But just like a little kid, when something bad does happen, and it always does, what do they yell? MOM!!!!!!!!!! and we come running, only to have the kids spit in our face After we help them.

So I agree. If I was President for a day. I would declare the U.S. to be isolationist. We will import NOTHING, export NOTHING! Cut off All aid all support all military support to everyone in the world. It would be fun to watch the people of the world crap down their leg. Just like a lost child who thinks they want to be independent and run off, until they realize that they are on their own and all they can do is stand and scream.

we now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

Originally posted by Luetic
Can you imagine if the U.S. really did "stay to itself". Cut off ALL foreign aid. All humanitarian aid. All food exports. Cut off all imports from any country. Just grow our own and keep it. Fuck everyone else.

So I agree. If I was President for a day. I would declare the U.S. to be isolationist. We will import NOTHING, export NOTHING! Cut off All aid all support all military support to everyone in the world. It would be fun to watch the people of the world crap down their leg. Just like a lost child who thinks they want to be independent and run off, until they realize that they are on their own and all they can do is stand and scream.

Going a little deeper .. if you were President you'd ..

Import no oil?
Disengage US troops from the Middle East?
Stop bankrolling expansionist Israel?
Rely purely on American domestic assets to satisfy American domestic consumption?
Halt exports from the US Arms Industry? (world's largest weapons exporter)
Retire all US international debt? (world's largest debtor)

Etcetera

Sounds terrific! ... When do you start?

The conservative Time magazine (Euro edition) has an internet poll, asking respondents which of the three following nations is viewed by them as the greatest threat to world peace in 2003 .. Iraq, North Korea or the USA

You guessed it ... The first 250,000 votes are:

Iraq > 8%
North Korea > 9%
USA > 83%

why do we keep australia? does it do anything for anyone? i think we should turn it back into a prison

Originally posted by Moppie
I also want to know why the US feels it has the right to enforce its own cultural values and ideals on to the rest of the world, its minority forces its opinion on to a majority.

one reason is cuz a lot of these countrys people are forced to live certain ways, such as afganistan

Originally posted by 96Hatch
why do we keep australia? does it do anything for anyone? i think we should turn it back into a prison

... little boy your ignorance is breathtaking ... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Thunda Downunda


... little boy your ignorance is breathtaking ... :rolleyes:



Actualy I think he has a point, I mean really, who else would want to live there, besides criminals. :p


Actualy thank you for extrapolating my point, and getting this discussion of the ground, I sort of expected to go away for the weekend and come back to find it dead.



Originaly posted by Luetic
Face it. Most of the world, without western technology, are the same as they were 2000 years ago. They are cave men with cell phones.



Sorry mate but that is a pretty ignorant statement.
Are you cliaming that Thunda Downunda and myself are nothing more than Cavemen? or that Europe (you know that converging super power that has more ppl, resouces and money than the US) is still stuck in the dark ages?
Or did you know that Indians (from India, not North America) write most of the software code that is used in the world? (there are more Comp Programers in India than anywhere else in the world).


The US has only about 7.5% of the worlds population, do you really think that the other 92.5% are still living in caves? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


The US can not survive with out the help of the rest of the world, where do you think the resouces to make the crap that drives your consumeristic culture comes from?



It makes me seriusly angry to think that there are enough simple minded indivuals out there, who should be educated and smart enough to know other wise, who think that the US is some how better than everyone else, and is only doing what thier doing to "protect them selves".
Its bullshit. TOTAL and utter fucking bullshit.
The us is from a military standpoint one of the safest places on Earth.
It is almost impossible to attack given the size of its land area, and the current level of military technology.


And it does sweet fuck all to help other less prosperous nations.
Infact many 3rd world countries are still suffering because of the "help" the US has provided.
Only the help did nothing for the country and its people, it only helped the US exploit that county, rape it of its natural resources, and use its people as cheap labour to manufactor cheaper products for ignorant Americans to buy.

The US has the wealth and the ablity to actualy do some real good in the world, yet it has done nothing.


Look at the US reaction to the EU.
It has been strongly opposed to it since the idea was first floated.
And it has put continues pressure on the UK to not join it.
If it were to become the reality of a totaly combined Europe it is aiming for it would make the worlds most powerful super power.
The US would no longer be top dog.





Anyway long winded angry ranting aside,

I have yet to see any rational and justifable reason for why the US has any right to enforce its own beliefs on the rest of the world.

The "best intrest" excuse if Bullshit.
You could just as rightly say that the Taliban, or Iraq, or even Hitler were acting in thier "Own best intrest."

To your original point Moppie - I don’t recall asking anyone else in the world to watch movies made here, read our books, listen to our music, eat from fast food joints started here or a plethora (haven't used that word in awhile) of other things. As for the policeman of the world. I agree. I say get the hell out of Europe and Asia. We should only look out for our own. That includes blowing the living hell out of any country that attacks us or actively supports the attacks. Let South Korea fend for itself. Let Israel nuke anyone who attacks them.

For some reason people feel better about themselves for bashing the US. So what if we use more resources? Would us using less or more affect how you use yours? Where are the alternate fuel sources you're using now? Getting them to market soon? Got a plan for Venezuela to replace their lost income once you do? How about Saudi Arabia, Russia and the rest of the OPEC countries? I’m sure their as interested as you to have their hundreds of billions in infrastructure replaced overnight. Pointing the finger at the US and saying all these problems are our fault is pretty weak. Take a look in the mirror and see what your doing for yourself. You don’t want fossil fuels used – come up with a replacement. You don’t like our culture – don’t participate.