240SX Newbie Vent

Ok...I am just going to say this now and save myself some trouble...

I have been around 240SX's since 96...so I know a lil...I had a S14 and modded it quite nicely...left it for the 300ZX shown below (reasons are on the site)...

But what I see on this site, 240sxforums.com, and freshalloy.com is a bunch of newbies who picked up SCC or Shitty Street or Improper Tuner and saw a 240SX w/an SR w/S15 headlights and is now here trying to take our 240SX's and turn them into RWD Honda's (no offense to the Honda guys but most ppl will agree that the TRULY good Honda's are hard to come by and mostly what you see is tacky and rice)

Here's problem # 1

Motor...the KA24DE (the motor that comes in the 91-98 240SX) is a very capabale motor and w/the same amount of money you spend on a SR swap you can have yourself a KA-T that kicks as much and even more fatty butt than the SR...I have a friend w/an 11 second KA-T and in Florida there's Duy's old car now owned by Bill which is a 10 second KA-T...I have yet to see a SR in the 10's...

Problem # 2

Exterior...I like the S15 headlights...I do...but there's really nothing wrong w/the S14 lights...the S13 lights...well I like the S13 Silvia lights and I think they are a nice fit for the car...but spending 2500 PLUS labor PLUS painting...that's alot...realize one thing...the 240SX is a sexy car already...

Problem # 3

Wheels...18's or wheels bigger....dont make you faster...if you are going for show...honestly...get another car...although I DID say the 240SX is a sexy car...doesnt make it into a show car...240SX was meant to be driven...only reason ever to get 18's is to fit 15 inch brake rotors! LOL

Problem # 4

Systems...well I like some nice tunes just like the next guy...so on my S14 I swapped out the speakers and put in nicer ones and got a diff. headunit...that was the extent of my audio need...putting huge boxes slows you down...and surely makes you into less of a performance enthusiast than the guys who dont have the extra 100 lbs of stereo in...and dont use it as an excuse when you lose too!

End of vent...

Feel free to comment

agreed !:D
yes da 240sx is a excellent car, but now a days these kids are rice-a-tising these 240sx with bigg ass wings, 19"rims 4 t.v.'s and a system so loud that you cant hear ur self think, if you want all that plz get a suv or a other car but leave the 240sx alone its not a show car its a DRIFT car, it is made 2 go sidways!!!
.... about da sr20det vs. ka24de both motors are capaible, i personally like the sr20det for the fact that it is a very tunnable motor and can take up 2 14psi wid stock internals, but yes it is agreed that for the same $ and time you can also have a ka24de-t that can also thake 14psi of boost.
....but i would also get the sr20det because it is a rare, strong, relaiable motor,
btw if u want a 10sec. car plz dont get a 240sx, get a supra tt, rx-7,3000gto, or sumthing 2 dat extent cause it will take a hell of a lot 2 make a 240sx go into 10sec range, buy a 240sx if u want a car that has a total package of looks,power,speed, and handleing!!:D

there's my 2 cents:smoker2: :smoker2:

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yea i totally agree with both of you except for one point. the reason i wouldnt' turn my ka24de into a ka24de-t is because of the mileage. That's why more people are buying sr20dets. Less mileage. I think the reason why sr20dets can't make the 10sec. range is because there isn't adequate parts in north america. what would 400hp sr20det 1/4 time with about 2700lbs with driver?

oh yea i forgot to add... how much do u think it would cost for a sr20det and the install? because i've seen the turbo kits go for 4g's american i'm in canada and flash option offers s13 sr20det with free shipping for 2100??? is it a good buy

i wouldn't want a 10 second SR because 240's are made to go sideways and actually drive, not just go in a straight line. i HATE drag racing, although i can respect those who like it. 240SX is a performance machine, plain and simple. it was made to be DRIVEN, not to "cruuuze" in. it was made to be drifted, not made to have lambo doors put on it. in the next few days, i'm buying a 1990 hatch which i plan to turn into an SR powered Sileighty as soon as i have enough money for the engine and front end. it won't have lambo doors, it won't have 19" chromies, hell it probably won't even have an aero kit (all the good ones from Japan are too expensive). but one thing it WILL have, is POWER!!

my rant is over.

yea 19 inch wat a waste of money... but what are the lightest rims on the market? i would love to get ahold of ultralight rims. and what would b reliable in terms of performance parts for the sr20det?

I totally agree Gabriel. I'm glad you said something, because I agree on everything you said. some people just need to open up their eyes.

Originally posted by J SPEC SilEighty
I totally agree Gabriel. I'm glad you said something, because I agree on everything you said. some people just need to open up their eyes.

that's why we're here. we're the eye-openers. :D

we take them from this: :o to this::eek:

hehe...

well i choose some go and some show. i'm gonna get 17 inch gunmetal split 5 spokes, that weights in at 18 lbs a wheel, with either 215 or 235 tires, and alittle bit of bomex here and there, but of course i'm finally doin this to my car cuase i feel that my car is fast enough for the people i'm currently racing. of course my next step is to add boost to the KA since my motor is still low miles, then i'll be running with the big boys, yeee hawww~

what kind of wheels?? gunmetal is always good...:D

Glad you all see the point...

you can always buy a low mileage KA for like less than 800 bux...and while you have it out...build it up and turbo it and throw it in...now you have a back up motor and your KA-T ready to kick fatty butt...

If you want 10's...honestly you shouldnt buy really anything Japanese...go get yourself a '03 Cobra or a ZO6...get you there a lot quicker and cheaper...

Actually, 240s can make use of big wings because they are RWD. It will make a big difference on traction when youre going 100+mph (which I do on almost a daily basis). I just dont have one on my car because I think they are ugly, not because they are ricey.

What do you mean RWD honda? Are you saying all civics, etc. are rice? I would love to have a rwd civic.

the rims that i'm gettin are some no name brand called Excel, and the rms are called Maji. they're gunmetal split 5 spokes with a chrome lip and bolt designs along the rims. its mean!!

240sx = DRIFT car
not a 1\4 mile car
nuff said!!:eek:

forgot 1 thing

tat2 can u plz post sum pic of ur new rims?plz
hope 2 see ur 240sx around nyc area
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Originally posted by sr20det2nr
forgot 1 thing

tat2 can u plz post sum pic of ur new rims?plz
hope 2 see ur 240sx around nyc area
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use the "edit" feature next time instead of making a whole new post. any by the way, what the hell is with the "1" at the bottom of all your posts?? it annoys me...:D

well thanks 4 lettin me noe bot da edit

:D

as 4 da 1 its a way 2 say good bye or im out.. so insted of sayin dat we say 1 :eek:

i guess its a n.y.c. thing:rolleyes:

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the rims that i'm gettin are some no name brand called Excel, and the rms are called Maji. they're gunmetal split 5 spokes with a chrome lip and bolt designs along the rims. its mean!!

Definitely sounds like "show" wheels to me :p

Originally posted by Fliquer


Definitely sounds like "show" wheels to me :p

um, RS Watanabes are gunmetal with a chrome lip, and i think those are about the most drift wheels in the world! they sound pretty nice to me, Tat. what size? any pics?

hey gabriel what offset do i need for the rims to clear the Z32 brake calipers? and sr20 heres a pic of the rims.

i agree with Gabriel. every since SCC got their project 240, everyone at my school is always talking about how cool 240's are. well they were, now they talk about how cool viper's are since it won the USCC. sheep.

anyway, a friend of mine is looking at a nice 1995 SE(abs, lsd). he's going to put an NSPORT kit on it if he gets it. he's leaving the wheels and body all stock. it's black, with dark tinted windows. looks nice. if he gets it, i'll post some video of me and him racing(and drifting!)

Originally posted by TatII
hey gabriel what offset do i need for the rims to clear the Z32 brake calipers? and sr20 heres a pic of the rims.

Honestly...I couldnt tell you...offset is a very variable thing and I havent bought rims yet so I couldnt tell you...

Email my friend Brian (orion on FA)

orion@gru.net

um, RS Watanabes are gunmetal with a chrome lip, and i think those are about the most drift wheels in the world
bolt designs around rim = more weight = more unsprung rotational mass = less performance, more show. Those rims are still very cool, I cant wait to see tatII's updated sig pic.

TatII, i like those wheels. some unheard of companies make some nice wheels. they're definitley not too showy. can't wait to see them on the car.

thanks for hte input guys. well heres a more recent pic of my car. since my tranny is sorta goin out. i'm gonna postpone the rims for a few months. but definitly i'll put up a pic of my baby asap. :smoka:

nice sig picture. the lighting and the snow makes it look really kool.

haha its not snow. it was actually raining pretty hard that night. i dont' know what i was doin standing around outside.

Amen!:D I've had my 240 for four years now. At the time I was working on formula Mazda's and was looking for an rx-7 but fell in love at the first sight of my s-14. I still remember thinking when I bought it that maybe a skyline motor would fit and now finally I'm doing it...but I digress. Beyond the fact that a lot of these newbees have no understanding of what the chassis is intended for they also seen to be quite millitant. I can't stand some 17yr old acting like an expert when the fact is that his only form of mechanical education is Super Suck or Sport Crapact Car. It makes me laugh to know that I built race cars that have slaughtered cars built the mag's mechanics. If these kids only knew what a properly preped car looked like:devil: (in through the nose out through the mouth). You guys are cool though:D Whew I feel better, thanks. I do think any 240 should have a little shine to it though. Far to pretty a car to let look bad.

HEY!

I subscribe to SCC and I think it is just as informative as my grassroots motorsports subscription ;)

They did a really good pocket rocket comparison couple months ago. Very objective.

Without changing any internals on a KA24DE, can I run a T25 with low boost?

Originally posted by OldSilvia
Without changing any internals on a KA24DE, can I run a T25 with low boost?

T25 is very small for the KA. It will spool ver quickly but probably wont be good past 10 psi or so. It's efficiency range falls off around 15 psi on a 2 liter SR, so it will be a little lower on a 2.4 liter KA. so yeah it will only be good for low boost

Thanks for repling J SPEC SilEighty ;)

This is good news, do you know if the stock SR20DET exhaust manifold will bolt up on the KA24DE?

Originally posted by OldSilvia
Without changing any internals on a KA24DE, can I run a T25 with low boost?

Yes...KA's are good on stock internals to about 320-350at the wheels w/PROPER tuning and fuel management

I am a newbie. That issue of scc got me into the entire car thing. I have learned a lot since then, but I dont claim to be an expert in anyway. All of my knowledge comes from online articles, forums, and magazines. I have no hands on or mechanical knowledge.

I am looking for an s13 240sx. I like s15 lights, but i want eastbear lights instead because they are unique and dont cost much. I am also looking into either building a ka+t (if the car doesnt have too many miles) or an rb swap (i dont like sr swaps because they have been done too much). I will get some big rims (probably 18's) beacause I like the way it looks and I will build a loud system (i like it) I will also heavily modify the engine and the interior of the car and get some q45 break rotors. If I have extra money, i will do some unique things such as lambo doors. People say that speed is everything but that doesnt mean the car has to be ugly to be fast. I want my car to look good but have balls at the same time.

So do you consider me a ricer????

the only 2 things that are bad about your plan are a)putting a huge system in a car that you say is built to go fast. stereo systems, especially aftermarket ones, add alot of weight to your car b) lambo doors. why?? they add weight, and are really really ugly. i don't even consider them rice, they're just totally crap and way too expensive

yea i don't suggest lambo doors... they're too much money and add nothing to the car except a cheap look

Originally posted by S13_Iketani
the only 2 things that are bad about your plan are a)putting a huge system in a car that you say is built to go fast. stereo systems, especially aftermarket ones, add alot of weight to your car b) lambo doors. why?? they add weight, and are really really ugly. i don't even consider them rice, they're just totally crap and way too expensive

I agree.. for my sound needs all I need is my headunit and some speakers that work. I dont need any huge subs or amps. and for the lambo doors, I think they just belong on lambo's and thats it...

YEs!!!! Drifting is by far the best man-made sport...car sport ever created on gods green earth. All though 1/4 mile is in fact fun, a 240 is a better drifting car then it is a drag car. That's not to say I'm not going to drop my SR20 motor into it, and run a new exhaust system in it....k&n intake. and rims...but I dont want or expect my car to be a drag car when I'm done with it.

then again, I know nothing about cars...so it's gonna be hard for me to swap my engine....

Originally posted by My90_240
then again, I know nothing about cars...so it's gonna be hard for me to swap my engine....

three cheers for newbs with a lack of knowledge trying to install an SR20...:rolleyes:

wow...im liking this forum already =/

no no don't get me wrong, i'm just trying to say that it might not be a good idea to try and install a $2000 engine by yourself without any knowledge of the subject at all...

oh, im definatley not going to install the engine myself, and im gonna actually buy it used, have it rebuilt and installed proffessionaly, but i want the instal to match up with my transmission and everything without doing too many other mods and spending too much money...you know?

We've done many SR20DET swaps without rebuilding the engine, it looks like they already have low mileage and are in good working condition... Could be something to do with Japan's 'pollution/environmental' laws causing them to retire early. Regardless it's still a good idea to actually rebuild the engine before swaping.

btw, how much does it cost to rebuild the SR from a speed shop.

Originally posted by Th*GgEd_OuTtTt
oh yea i forgot to add... how much do u think it would cost for a sr20det and the install? because i've seen the turbo kits go for 4g's american i'm in canada and flash option offers s13 sr20det with free shipping for 2100??? is it a good buy

Assuming you supply the engine, the going price for a swap is about $2500 + extras (ie. intercooler, exhaust, etc, etc)

../Tony

Originally posted by S13_Iketani
no no don't get me wrong, i'm just trying to say that it might not be a good idea to try and install a $2000 engine by yourself without any knowledge of the subject at all...

i think its a mervelous idea to try to drop in a $2000 engine by yourself with no knowledge of the subject at all. MARVELOUS!

*hey, is that a header or turbo manifold?*

that's..........cute, now if you used the other half of your brain you'd see that he was responding to me, when he assumed I was installing the engine myself, in which case I'm not. Nice post though, it sounded good

settle down guys. we have no moderators that actually do anything in this board, so let's please not get into arguments that can't be dealt with.

why does everyone takes my jokes so seriously? am i not funny enough?

ok heres one, what do you call a CRAZY s14?!????

SILLY-VA!!!

:silly2:

what do you call an s13 thats so good looking you styart to drool?

SALIVA!!!!


*cricket chips*

ive been reading around on your forum, and everybody's (mainly in this post) is anti drag and all drift. first of all, the 240, although not specifically built for it, is not a bad drag car at all; light wieght, rwd, oem suspension has great weight transfer. also, is no body here a grip fan?! I know when I bought my 240, I was doing it for the outstanding grip capabilities; it's very well balanced, tons of aftermarket support, again, lightweight, and rwd.
don't get me wrong, drifting is an excilent sport that i hope gets more american support, beyond cops looking out for it.
there is a compromise between show and go, some of you have recognized that, others either haven't yet, or are just ignorant. i personally am not going to do any exterior modifications with the exception of exhaust, and eventually wheels (right now im running in the stock class in solo II (plus im broke)) but that's not the point. it's not 'all go and no show' or your a worthless ricer.
to those who this doesn't apply to, sorry for wasting your time. to others, i hope you rethink some of the advise you give/people you flame.

Originally posted by harryhood
ive been reading around on your forum, and everybody's (mainly in this post) is anti drag and all drift. first of all, the 240, although not specifically built for it, is not a bad drag car at all; light wieght, rwd, oem suspension has great weight transfer. also, is no body here a grip fan?! I know when I bought my 240, I was doing it for the outstanding grip capabilities; it's very well balanced, tons of aftermarket support, again, lightweight, and rwd.
don't get me wrong, drifting is an excilent sport that i hope gets more american support, beyond cops looking out for it.
there is a compromise between show and go, some of you have recognized that, others either haven't yet, or are just ignorant. i personally am not going to do any exterior modifications with the exception of exhaust, and eventually wheels (right now im running in the stock class in solo II (plus im broke)) but that's not the point. it's not 'all go and no show' or your a worthless ricer.
to those who this doesn't apply to, sorry for wasting your time. to others, i hope you rethink some of the advise you give/people you flame.

a)you just got here. don't tell us how to run our forum. that's just the way things work around here, and you'll have to get used to the way things go.
b)alot of people on this forum DO like drag racing. there are a few of us (me included) that PREFER drifting, but i can certainly respect a hardcore 240SX drag racer.
c)i realize it's not "all go, NO show". as for myself, once i buy my 240SX in the spring, i'm setting it up for drift and actually using it (unlike some people i've encountered who drift-ize their cars and never use them to drift), but i WILL be making SOME body mods, such as a nice subtle G-Corporation body kit and a wangan wing, and of course some racing wheels. i'm just saying i'll spend MOST of my money on performance related items.

Originally posted by S13_Iketani


a)you just got here. don't tell us how to run our forum. that's just the way things work around here, and you'll have to get used to the way things go.
b)alot of people on this forum DO like drag racing. there are a few of us (me included) that PREFER drifting, but i can certainly respect a hardcore 240SX drag racer.
c)i realize it's not "all go, NO show". as for myself, once i buy my 240SX in the spring, i'm setting it up for drift and actually using it (unlike some people i've encountered who drift-ize their cars and never use them to drift), but i WILL be making SOME body mods, such as a nice subtle G-Corporation body kit and a wangan wing, and of course some racing wheels. i'm just saying i'll spend MOST of my money on performance related items.

yes that was my first post, but im a regular on fa, and ive been reading around on this forum for a while. i wasn't telling you how to run your forum at all, i was making the point that y'all are giving all the newbees the impression that the 240 is only good for drifting, which is not true. I'm also not attacking anybody, just asking y'all to consider what you're saying in the eyes of a newcomer to the 240 community. i would type more but i dont' have time

I have a feeling many people herer will "drift" 240SXs and ruin them and ruin our fav. car/sport. You guys who are hardcore know what I mean.

*puts on a bullet proof vest and runs behind a brick wall, kissed rosary*

umm, dumbass post comming...whats the exact definition of "grip"?

regular racing, trying to keep your grip and running clean lines through apexes. not drifting with no grip......

ok heres one, what do you call a CRAZY s14?!???? SILLY-VA!

WTF? Are you tryin to knock on my ride? KISS MY A** MOTHERF**KER!!!

;)

i don't really see why you guys are putting down SCC and Super Street so much. i subscribe to SS and, admittedly, it's not exactly the best source of information, but for someone with limited actually useful car knowledge (like myself) it'll suffice. i don't usually learn much from each issue, but i still enjoy reading the articles to see what kinds of projects people are doing and looking through the ads to see what kind of aftermarket products are out there. i would understand your insults if Super Street were regarded as the absolute authority on import car tuning, but to most people it isn't. some naive people treat it as god-sent information, and it may kind of ruin the import scene among younger people who think they need to buy a civic because they're all over the magazine's pages, but eventually those people will grow up and buy something they actually want instead of something they just think they should buy. i believe the magazine is intended to entertain rather than inform, so let's stop talking as if primedia has claimed absolute tuning superiority.

besides, the kind of people who read SS hoping to become automotive authorities are the same kind of people that put an intake on their mom's grocery-getter and should simply be ignored.

amen

Originally posted by D Money1644
i don't really see why you guys are putting down SCC and Super Street so much. i subscribe to SS and, admittedly, it's not exactly the best source of information, but for someone with limited actually useful car knowledge (like myself) it'll suffice. i don't usually learn much from each issue, but i still enjoy reading the articles to see what kinds of projects people are doing and looking through the ads to see what kind of aftermarket products are out there. i would understand your insults if Super Street were regarded as the absolute authority on import car tuning, but to most people it isn't. some naive people treat it as god-sent information, and it may kind of ruin the import scene among younger people who think they need to buy a civic because they're all over the magazine's pages, but eventually those people will grow up and buy something they actually want instead of something they just think they should buy. i believe the magazine is intended to entertain rather than inform, so let's stop talking as if primedia has claimed absolute tuning superiority.

besides, the kind of people who read SS hoping to become automotive authorities are the same kind of people that put an intake on their mom's grocery-getter and should simply be ignored.

I still read super street and scc. have a subscription to both actually and they expire in feb 04. I plan on renewing both of them as well. I just read the mags for fun because like you said, some of the articles are entertaining and it's fun to see what project they are working on next. I like scc better then ss but they are both still good magazines IMO :)

the main reason i don't like SS is because their writers are complete and utter morons. the articles are crap in which they try to poke fun at each other or make stupid, corny jokes. also, they're a "converted ricer magazine", meaning they were strictly Honda/rice until just recently when they thought "hey, let's turn completely JDM just so we'll be kool." now, don't get me wrong. i like reading the magazine, but the only reason i do read it is for the pictures of insanely sweet JDM rockets like 1000hp Hirata Engineering R33's and Signal S15 Silvia's. there is still a high occurence of rice in it, and until they get rid of that and get some competent writers, then my views will stay the same.

SCC on the other hand is great. they're truly a Sport Compact Car magazine, in that they focus on ALL small performance vehicles, not just Honda's. they've had many Silvia's, Evo's, Skylines etc., and even some super old cars, like Volvo's etc. to them, basically anything that's fast and "compact" is fair game, which i think is kool. they also have a very low occurence of rice, which is good. they're more performance geared. also, their writers KNOW HOW TO WRITE! sure i'll read these 2 mags, but i'd still take an Option or Option2 over them any day.