the changes are not going too smoothly
ales
01-18-2003, 02:14 AM
Here it is:
Breakaway group slams F1 changes (http://f1.racing-live.com/en/index.html)
No conclusion at TWG meeting (http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030118042156.shtml)
and the worst reaction so far:
Car manufacturers thinking of boycott? (http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030118070303.shtml)
This really comses as a surprise to me, although I did have the feeling of a calm before the storm after the FIA announcement.
Breakaway group slams F1 changes (http://f1.racing-live.com/en/index.html)
No conclusion at TWG meeting (http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030118042156.shtml)
and the worst reaction so far:
Car manufacturers thinking of boycott? (http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/030118070303.shtml)
This really comses as a surprise to me, although I did have the feeling of a calm before the storm after the FIA announcement.
Veyron
01-18-2003, 08:11 AM
This is typical of the knee jerk decisions by the FIA, remember the tires stacked as chicane's at Imola or whatever that Grand Prix that was? They act, then think, that is wrong!:rolleyes:
ales
01-18-2003, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Veyron
... remember the tires stacked as chicane's at Imola or whatever that Grand Prix that was?
That is the GP I'll NOT forget - first Schumacher win for Ferrari in Italy! I was watching it on Eurosport (ahh, good old days), and when MS touched the tyres just a tad the commentator, VERY articulately said: Michael Schumacher, w h a t a r e y o u d o i n g ?!!! :D
I agree about rash decisions. Hope we still get F1 this season ... :mad:
... remember the tires stacked as chicane's at Imola or whatever that Grand Prix that was?
That is the GP I'll NOT forget - first Schumacher win for Ferrari in Italy! I was watching it on Eurosport (ahh, good old days), and when MS touched the tyres just a tad the commentator, VERY articulately said: Michael Schumacher, w h a t a r e y o u d o i n g ?!!! :D
I agree about rash decisions. Hope we still get F1 this season ... :mad:
NSX
01-18-2003, 01:46 PM
Max Mosley, FIA Boss
If a manufacturer doesn't like the changes, then that is OK. And if a big manufacturer aims at retreating from Formula One for this reason, then that is OK too,” he told the Guardian. “We gain more through the change of the rules, than what we lose through the retreat of the manufacturers
Hahaa, my arse he'll allow that to happen...Once viewership sinks to a few hundred without the head teams.
If a manufacturer doesn't like the changes, then that is OK. And if a big manufacturer aims at retreating from Formula One for this reason, then that is OK too,” he told the Guardian. “We gain more through the change of the rules, than what we lose through the retreat of the manufacturers
Hahaa, my arse he'll allow that to happen...Once viewership sinks to a few hundred without the head teams.
Guido
01-20-2003, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by ales
Here it is:
...
This really comses as a surprise to me, although I did have the feeling of a calm before the storm after the FIA announcement.
Not to me buddy. As I mentiond before, F1 should stay pinnacle of the sport/industry. The car makers also see it like that. It's their showcase and therefor their show, not FIA's. It's about time that Max Mosley starts to draw his conclusions and step aside and leave the top FIA job to someone who has a broader view of things :mad:
Anyway, If it continues like that, I hope that the car makers go ahead with GPWC and start a new series in 2008. They have already one fan! Afterall I'm a fan of a car brand, regardless the series they are running in - be it F-1, CART, DTM, LeMans ... I immediately add to that, that I prefer it to be in F-1, but if impossible, then somewhere else
Here it is:
...
This really comses as a surprise to me, although I did have the feeling of a calm before the storm after the FIA announcement.
Not to me buddy. As I mentiond before, F1 should stay pinnacle of the sport/industry. The car makers also see it like that. It's their showcase and therefor their show, not FIA's. It's about time that Max Mosley starts to draw his conclusions and step aside and leave the top FIA job to someone who has a broader view of things :mad:
Anyway, If it continues like that, I hope that the car makers go ahead with GPWC and start a new series in 2008. They have already one fan! Afterall I'm a fan of a car brand, regardless the series they are running in - be it F-1, CART, DTM, LeMans ... I immediately add to that, that I prefer it to be in F-1, but if impossible, then somewhere else
Veyron
01-20-2003, 08:15 AM
Not to me buddy. As I mentiond before, F1 should stay pinnacle of the sport/industry. The car makers also see it like that. It's their showcase and therefor their show, not FIA's. It's about time that Max Mosley starts to draw his conclusions and step aside and leave the top FIA job to someone who has a broader view of things
I agree with you about the pinnacle, but Bernie's ego and eccentricity won't allow him to see past his wallet. I understand that F1 is his sand box and he can make the rules as to which and how teams are to play in it, but man, he needs a reality check bad!:rolleyes: Futhermore, CART says they'll be racing at Spa after 2003 and almost had a deal worked out for 2003, this makes FIA look even worse in my opinion.:confused:
I agree with you about the pinnacle, but Bernie's ego and eccentricity won't allow him to see past his wallet. I understand that F1 is his sand box and he can make the rules as to which and how teams are to play in it, but man, he needs a reality check bad!:rolleyes: Futhermore, CART says they'll be racing at Spa after 2003 and almost had a deal worked out for 2003, this makes FIA look even worse in my opinion.:confused:
ales
01-20-2003, 08:44 AM
Here's an excellent article on the changes: http://www.planetf1.com/Features/Editorials/story_10526.shtml
What Mosley has done is lump together some pretty startling and un-necessary changes together with some changes that are very welcome which give the cars back to the drivers and let us have some purist racing. He’s snatched the radio-controlled F1 machinery away from the engineers.
But if F1 wants to stay as the pinnacle of world racing, them Max needs to take a step back and re-consider more of his extreme ideas about shaping F1 beyond 2004.
What Mosley has done is lump together some pretty startling and un-necessary changes together with some changes that are very welcome which give the cars back to the drivers and let us have some purist racing. He’s snatched the radio-controlled F1 machinery away from the engineers.
But if F1 wants to stay as the pinnacle of world racing, them Max needs to take a step back and re-consider more of his extreme ideas about shaping F1 beyond 2004.
Guido
01-20-2003, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by Veyron
Futhermore, CART says they'll be racing at Spa after 2003 and almost had a deal worked out for 2003, this makes FIA look even worse in my opinion.:confused:
That is soooo cool. you know, I live 50 mins away by car from Spa. I sure hope that they can get a deal for this year. I really, really want to see CART :D
Futhermore, CART says they'll be racing at Spa after 2003 and almost had a deal worked out for 2003, this makes FIA look even worse in my opinion.:confused:
That is soooo cool. you know, I live 50 mins away by car from Spa. I sure hope that they can get a deal for this year. I really, really want to see CART :D
NSX
01-20-2003, 02:59 PM
wow..that'll be the day that we really know Max & Bernie have screwed over F1; when CART becomes better than F1
ales
01-21-2003, 02:35 AM
Now there are rumours that McLaren could boycott the Melbourne GP and Renault boss just stated that some rules (1 engine for 6 races) is unacceptable to the extent that they will pull out of F1 if the reules are implemented. :mad:
bigfrit
01-21-2003, 03:29 AM
Hmm, interesting complications....
Does anybody remember the group of Formula One Constructors who lastly said that they wanted a championship not controlled by the FIA?
They wanted clarity about rules otherwise they would make their own championship....
Maybe this could mean the break-up of formula one as we know it
(remember FOA-FIA) ?
Ciaoo Olivier
Does anybody remember the group of Formula One Constructors who lastly said that they wanted a championship not controlled by the FIA?
They wanted clarity about rules otherwise they would make their own championship....
Maybe this could mean the break-up of formula one as we know it
(remember FOA-FIA) ?
Ciaoo Olivier
NSX
01-22-2003, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by bigfrit
(remember FOA-FIA) ?
I'm not aware of that...any explanations?
(remember FOA-FIA) ?
I'm not aware of that...any explanations?
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