Which would you get?

Well i was just thinking? Which car would you rather get? A 2002 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V or a 1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T Spyder? The Sentra is brand new with all the options, like around 19,500 g's. And the Eclipse is around 15,500 with 45,000 miles? Hmmm???:bloated:

It all depends on what you are looking for in a car. The Nissan is new so if any thing goes wrong, it will be covered under the warrenty, its a good every day get from point A to point B car. Now if you want to build your own street racer go with the eclipse, there are more after market parts for it, not to mention the sentra has @ 175hp, but only puts @146hp to the ground, if not for the limited slip I wouldnt want to even think about how slow it would be. So like I said it all depends on what you want the car for.

Well I think it all depends on what you are looking for in a car. They will be about the same speed, with the spec-v coming out a little faster (people have hit 15.0 stock in spec-v's, fastest I've seen from a gs-t is 15.3 or so, but correct me if I'm wrong). If anything breaks it will be under warranty on the spec. If you are only going to do some slight modifications to it (new air filter, exhaust, etc) then I would go with the spec-v. If however you are planning on spending several thousand $'s in mods, I would go with the eclipse because it will take to mods much better (because it is turbo) and most of the warranty will be voided on the spec-v anyway after that many mods.

SPEC V 1/4 mile times are @ 15.8 stock

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
SPEC V 1/4 mile times are @ 15.8 stock

wtf LOL!!!!
what the hell are you smokin?? I want some.
I know a guy who hit 15.0 stock, most people hit 15.1-15.5, I don't know what you are talking about

hell I hit a 15.8 in my SE with just a WAI and short shifter, and I had a shitty 60'

Whatever you think, you can have your dumb sentra cause I sure don't want it, have fun getting smoked. Real performance cars should have more tourqe then horsepower or at least the numbers should be close.

Friday,personally I wouldnt take advice from someone who would want to destroy a perfectly good vette like that. MONSTER TRUCKS, TRUCKS NOT CARS!:argue:

Are you really that stupid?
That car is there as a joke, I found it online somewhere and thought it was funny, so I stuck it there. I did not, nor do I want to, ever do that to a vette.

On another note, the SE's hp and tq is within 5 of each other, and the spec-v has more tq than hp. Do a little research next time...I also never said that my sentra was a performance car, and besides, where in the hell does some fantastical guide to cars say that a "real performance car" has to have more tq than hp? Would you consider a modded supra or a skyline "real performance cars"? Because neither of them have nearly as much tq as hp when you start upping the performance.

and I'll take my lowly sentra over your firebird anyday, I don't care if its slower

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and I'll take my lowly sentra over your firebird anyday, I don't care if its slower?????


All i have to say sr20de, is that there is no way your picking up chicks with mullets in a sentra. Man, mullets and 89 firebirds, life must be a dream for that guy.

I will make this real simple now pay attention, claimed crank Hp 175, claimed crank torque 180 lb-ft, dyno tested, that means the truth not just what nissan tells you, because they want you to buy their hunk of junk, 146 Hp and 154 lb-ft of torque. So yes, I was wrong I can admit when I am wrong it has more torque then hp. But there is No way a stock Spec-V can do any better then 15.4 in a 1/4 mile. And one last thing can I have a pic of you so I can post it cause I think you are a joke.

Gari dont be mad just because you arnt picking up any girls driving around in your slow, little, cheap, family car. Dont hate, Im sure the girls would take a ride with you, if every other guy on the planet drove around their moms mini van.

well you apparently are so intelligent, so I would think you could figure out a way to get a pic of me, its not that hard.

and heres a nice page for you to look over, notice PlanoSER got a 15.09 stock, FastSpecV got a 15.20 stock, and AgentBook got a 15.49 with a BASE se-r (165 base hp, 175 base tq) stock. Also notice Z24andGT who got a 14.88 with just a CAI.

http://www.b15sentra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29853&pagenumber=1

and you are right about the power, Nissan does inflate the base power figures to get people to buy the car, either that or the spec loses 18% in the drivetrain, which is a little high for a fwd econobox.

You just keep playing that def lepard record and dont mind me. Geez buddy, who ruffled your mullet today. I think you are really getting upset here. Its alright man, its just a forum, you need to chill out and listen to your scorpions 8 track. You'll feel better once you have a 40 of old english and play some air guitar to your favorite Anthrax tune. No but seriously, loosen up your rediculously tight black jeans kick off your really old black high top sneakers and give me a big old toothless smile....... see isnt that better.

Having an 89 firebird may mean you can drive faster than me, but unfortunately it also means everything else about your life sucks. Not to fret my friend, one day you will evolve with the rest of us.

Now you can reply and tell us how tough you are and by all mean unleash some more of your witty remarks.

That was awesome... I just remembered how crappy the 80's were.

Moral of this whole story is... No matter how fast your car is.. there is always some old ugly one that is faster.

Good thing 0-60 times aren't the only thing that matter. There are other things like style, appearance, utility, reliability (and warranty), performance (cornering, braking, etc...) and features like power windows and locks and keyless entry and nice audio, and, and, and....

But, there are a lot of people who like and appreciate 80's cars also. You just won't find many of them in the Nissan Sentra forumn.

"can't we all just get along?"

Originally posted by Gari

Having an 89 firebird may mean you can drive faster than me, but unfortunately it also means everything else about your life sucks.


ahahahahhaha that part was great, I'm still laughing :D

Let's All be friends. :greenchai: :monkeypis: :angel: :badass:

NOT!:flipa:

Do i need to call someone a WAMBULANCE?:crying:

Who really gives a %#@$. If you like your ride, Drive wid pride.
But, don't be a sphincterboy, and treat others like goat puke.

Just a thought!
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If you look back I wasnt the one who started talking trash. I looked at your page and it is a perfect example of what I was trying to say. It is a good everyday car, but if you want the fastest, most badass car around, its not the car for you. OOOHHH and Gari, you sure you arnt talking about yourself or did you do some research on the music, fashion, and just general knowledge about the 80's, cause Im 22 and even though I was born in the 80's, I sure dont remember anything about them. One last thing as far as my car goes it has power locks and widows, a great stereo( sony head unit, MB Quart speakers, rockford fosgate amps, and JL subs), it is reliable, super handling remember wider is better, and is all around is a great car, so to each his own.

"remember, wider is better"

I really love how some people are able to focus on one small aspect of a topic as broad as handling and automatically say that their car "handles great" because it has that one feature.

Sure a wider track is good. But what about things like weight, body roll, and suspension setup? I guess those things don't count when you are stuck in the 80's.

And one more thing. If you want to drive "the fastest, most badass car around", I sincerely hope you don't choose an 89 Firebird!

MY CAR > wide stance, center of gravity low to ground ( meaing very little body roll, a heavy car (sticks to the road), and then throw in performance suspension, I think that answers all your ?. I was just using a pontiac trademark saying, sorry next time I will go into more detail. Got a ?, why would you buy a 350z, when the awd, twin turbo skylines may soon be ariving to the U.S. with the same engine (maybe, and if not a better new engine).

I'm sorry, but having a wide stance does not lower the center of gravity, and having a heavy car does not help it "stick to the road", if that was the case then volvo's would be the best handling cars in existance and the mclaren would suck in the corners...the 350z and skyline are so different you can't compare them....for one, the skyline is 3x the price of a z in the US right now. Nissan will not bring the skyline here, and even if they did it would not come with the vq35, I have heard the r35 gtr is dropping the rb26 unfortunately and replacing it with a v8, but I don't know if the rumors are true.

I guess dolla_bill0913 will be touring the racing events this year to educate the so called "professionals" on racing theory and setup. To think, all this time Indy car engineers have been lowering the weigh of their cars and using downforce to provide traction. Apparently they were foolishly wasting their time and money when they could have been building their cars out of cast iron instead.

But back to reality. Take an '89 stock Firebird and an '02 stock Sentra SER or SER Spec V and see which will come out on top of a slolom race, or a skid pad, or any stretch of twisty road.

And by the way, without suspension mods an '89 Firebird is anything but low slung. It looks kinda like an off road machine.

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
remember wider is better

this is my first post, and the only reason i decided to register, because this guy is hilarious...

first... why come to this part of the forum to bash on sentra's? go back and talk about firebirds..


i was gonna make a second, but its not worth it.. im done..


:finger:

but having a wide stance does not lower the center of gravity< first off I never said this, see if you would pay attention in english you would know a comma (,) means a break in the sentance, what I said was my car has a wide stance and a low center of gravity. Second how can you put a volvo and a mclaren in the same sentance, those are 2 way different types of cars there. Third any car you import is going to cost you an arm and a leg, thats why I asked him why he didnt WAIT because once they start selling them here they will be much cheaper. Fourth like I said they dont know what engine is going to be in it, it all depends on who you ask. Last only because I am done wasting my time pointing out how dumb you are, I know having a heavy car doesnt mean it handles good, what I was trying to say is having a car too light or too heavy makes for bad handling, so you need to find a middle ground which I did with my car, I was just thinking that everyone on here might know a thing or 2 about cars and I wouldnt have to explain every single thing I type!:finger:

Who in there right mind would buy a new 350z, start ripping things out of it and pieces off of it to get rid of extra weight and then put some dumb huge wing on the front and back. Not me for one, so I think you should take the route I took wide stance, they dont make widebody kits for cars just because it looks nice (EXAMPLES> mustangs, the supra & rx7 in the new fast and furious movie, not to mention all kinds of other cars), low center of gravity (some time actually look how low to the ground a 89 firebird is and then picture it lower due to my suspension), and yes sure I lightened my car a little, but it sure wasnt the first thing that came to mind when I was thiking about handling, so just like some people should have paid more attention in english others should have paid more attention in shop.

Just a thought, if you dont have anything important to say then dont waste space >this is my first post, and the only reason i decided to register, because this guy is hilarious...

first... why come to this part of the forum to bash on sentra's? go back and talk about firebirds..


i was gonna make a second, but its not worth it.. im done..
AND AS FOR RACING A SENTRA > ANY PLACE, ANY TIME, ANY ROAD, AND JUST TO BE FAIR I GIVE ALL FAMILY CARS A HEAD START. Last, but not least, Please try to make fun of me with more posts it is quiet amusing!

Originally posted by dolla_bill0913
what I was trying to say is having a car too light or too heavy makes for bad handling, so you need to find a middle ground which I did with my car


hahahhah give me one good example where lightening a car makes it worse in the corners. If you look at the physics of it, lightening a car can not make it worse in the corners, its just not possible (apart from dropping too much weight from the front or rear so it alters the weight distribution for the negative). Heres a little physics for ya, when a car turns it experiences a lateral acceleration equal to the velocity squared divided by the radius of the turn, a=v^2/r. The force required to keep a car from spinning out is f=(mass)(lateral accel), so f=m(v^2/r). The force the tires can give is equal to the coefficient of static friction (k) times the "normal force", or the force pushing up from the ground (it is equal to the cars weight). As we all know, weight is equal to the mass of an object times the force of gravity (9.8 m/s^2 or 32.2 ft/s^2). Sooooo, when a car is turning, the force of the tires has to be equal to the force of acceleration or the car will spin out, so 9.8(k)(m)=(m)(v^2/r). As you can see, MASS CANCELS OUT, it is not a factor when determining how fast a car can turn without spinning out. The only thing mass does have a part in, is body roll, the heavier the car the more the body will roll, this body roll reduces the contact patch on the tires, reducing the traction, and lowering the rated skidpad, a lighter car does not do this, so a lighter car will handle better under the same circumstances (same road, same tires), theres no such thing as too light of a car when referring to handling.

Yes, IF they start to sell the skyline here it will be much cheaper than it is now, but now it is 95k for a used one over here, if they bring it over it will still be over $55k, well out of the 350z's range, so like I said before, you cannot compare these 2 cars.

You keep bashing sentra's but you haven't said what your car can run, post some timeslips to back yourself up or you just come off sounding like an ass

WOW you think using all those numbers would impress me, stop copying examples out of your school books, I am done trying to explain anythig to you because you just dont listen. Now you want to hear about my car, before you could of cared less about it and all you did was make fun of it, so let me pull down my pants and turn around while you pucker up.

god damn you are thick headed, I didn't put all that crap to impress you, I did it because if I had written it in plain english you would have said I was stupid and didn't know what I was talking about. I was trying to be civilized asking about your car but now I see that is no use.

The funny thing is you start saying all this crap, as soon as someone puts some hard evidence that proves you are wrong you just drop the subject, not another word on it and start insulting them. I think someone has a little problem with their ego.

Stop trolling on this board, find something more meaningful to do with your life, or just find a life period. I don't give a shit what you do, just leave us out of your emotional issues and find a shrink....

The only reason why I dont keep explaining things to you is because you don't listion. Just think about this I will try to keep it simple. You want a light car so you get a crx and you gut it <take out everything>, now think about trying to get that car to drift or slide around a corner with out losing speed or time. It wont because it will be too light and if you start to mod it to make it faster<more hp & tourqe>, you are probly going to be adding weight. Which in a way you were right with your huge math problem, but you still cant say the lightest car will handle the best. Make sense, I dont want to fight. I just want you to try to understand what I am saying!

A lighter car will handle best, given the suspension and what not is set up well. A light car may not be good for drifting, but drifting is rarely the most effiecent way of making a corner, unless you are rallying. This is why in F1 they keep making their cars lighter, without sacrificing performance, and they do not drift because it is ultimately slower, risky, and wears down the tires.