Drugs

DO PEOPLE RELIZE HOW STUPID THEY ACT WHEN THEY DO DRUGS, and when I say stupid, I mean being as smart as a rock.:smoker2:

Never tried em,never will.

Drugs are bad, mmmmmkay...

Originally posted by Toksin
Never tried em,never will.

Drugs are bad, mmmmmkay...

AGREE!

Hm, sorry, I really have to disagree with that...

Let's see, people drink coffee, drink beer... those are all legalised drugs.
I do't really think anyone can just say "hey they are bad", because that's just being short sighted.
I am not against soft drugs such as cannabis, but against Hard drugs.
Soft drugs just are a helping hand to relax, they make you calm and you don't hurt other people. While hard drugs can make you agressive.

Also you don't have to do what I say, you hav always the choice .

My point of view is; if you hurt nobody while doing something, you should do it , if you like, but if you do things that might inflict hurt; damage to others you shouldn't

my 2 cents

ciaoo Olivier:bandit:

I find most people taking mind altering drugs to quite humorous. Its especially entertaining to watch someone destroy their life because "its their life". Heck - seeing someone drink a fith of vodka and then decide to swim across the lake is one of my favorites. We take bets on how far they'll get before drowning. The stories are endless, but by all means, people should be able to kill themselves in any fasion they like.

Maybe a few more crack heads will show up here and murder some of our elderly for their social security check. I mean, how else will they pay for the stuff since no employer understands its their choice so they should keep their job no matter what condition they show up as. I do enjoy their shootouts with police snipers. Quite the show of marksmenship.

So I say, legalize everything, life is boring without the drugged crazed people.





:rolleyes:

what about how stoopid some pople act when NOT on drugs?

As long as they are only hurting themselves and not putting others in danger then hell let them kill their mind.

drugs are for ricers, so no i dont do drugs!

Originally posted by supratuner
drugs are for ricers, so no i dont do drugs!


that si the dumbest thing I have ever heard- how do you know that all ricers do drugs- very stupid indeed :rolleyes:




I never will touch drugs again........They fucked my life pretty bad the first time and it took me years to straighten it out again

Originally posted by Jimster



that si the dumbest thing I have ever heard- how do you know that all ricers do drugs- very stupid indeed :rolleyes:




I never will touch drugs again........They fucked my life pretty bad the first time and it took me years to straighten it out again

i never have and never will! but if u drive in a civic painted yellow with 20000 stickers on it then u must be on something!

tried some once, but it didn't do much and I haven't tried them again.

I only touch alcohol

Originally posted by supratuner


i never have and never will! but if u drive in a civic painted yellow with 20000 stickers on it then u must be on something!


Like I have said before- they think it makes the car look better- we all have different opinions of what looks good

Well, Yogs, I kinda agree with you on some issues.
But, you should know that studies have shown that people on drugs (and here I speak about soft drugs), are Not hurting theirselves (not more then smoking a cigarette).
People should be able to decide what to do.

And those drugged crazed people you talk about are not your verage "consumer":) , but drug abusers.

My point of view is that there should everywere a kind of "drug-class" teached in school, where they teach you how to be responsible and think before you act, that's the only way we should be able to get drug abuse out of the world.

And let's face it , we ll never be able to eradicate drugs completely, the whole economy relies on them (alcohol, cigarettes, coffee...)

Oh, and please, when posting things like "Drugs are bad...." , please explain, otherwise you 're just sounding like a little baby, wining and not able to give an explanation to what he/she is saying ;)
nothing personal ;)

ciaoo Oli :smoka:

Originally posted by Jimster



Like I have said before- they think it makes the car look better- we all have different opinions of what looks good Agreed. That's kinda harsh to look at a ricer & assume he or she's a druggie.
\/\/\/\/ Looking at my car, I guess I quailfy as a pothead too, right? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by supratuner
drugs are for ricers, so no i dont do drugs!

Originally posted by supratuner
drugs are for ricers, so no i dont do drugs!

that was one of the dumbest remarks i've ever heard...

anyways, alcohol is my drug. i tried marijuana once or twice and didn't find much of a difference and didn't see why it was so much more special, so i don't do it anymore.

We have a legalised definition of illegal drugs which excludes legalised addictive substances such as nicotine (present in tobacco), caffeine and those items available OTC (Over the Counter) and by prescription.

In the past and here, folk mention the concept of a 'victimless act' ie if it ain't hurting someone else then we should decriminalize the act as the consequences of the act are personal.

IMHO I can't agree with this proposition. Every act we choose to do has consequences, some of them are obvious (eg you get high, you spend some money) some not so obvious (eg you get addicted or you may choose to fund the addiction in a criminal way).

From my observation, the consequences to the families and friends who abuse substances (legal or non-legal) is not inconsequential to them. The victims are not limited to the user of the substance but are often a tangible, substantial emotional, financial, physical (esp violence) and soul-destroying strain on their relationships that exact a real toll.

I don't judge anyone who uses drugs - I don't have a moral high ground to do that and I know of plenty of folk who do as most of you will.

If they ask me I'm pretty clear about my own position and most respect the fact that I have a line ruled and that I respect that others are free to make their choice even if it isn't the course that I'd choose.

Supratuner, if drugs are for ricers you must be a total crack addict.

Originally posted by Dorikin
Supratuner, if drugs are for ricers you must be a total crack addict.

ok?

Can we keep the attacks on eachother down and concentrate on drugs please :)

bigfrit, I tend to agree that if someone wants to use drugs - be it a soft drug or shoot heroin five times a day - I say let them. However, I also believe a person has to be responsible for their actions. Because most drugs are mood/behavior altering, once someone starts taking them, they may not be as responsible as they say they will be when off the stuff.

At some point users (especially the hardcore ones) will do something that will cause harm to another person. Needless to say, thats the part where these people need to be held accountable. You see some groups claiming that we should work at rehabilitating these addicts. Where is the personal responsibility now? They chose to fuck up their life. Perhaps we help them out once, but if the ever make the statement "I want to do these drugs because its my right" then the next time they get caught harming someone else put them away for life. I know thats not practicle or reasonable, but neither is unfettered access to drugs.

i tried alchol and barfed 17 times...........

so i would rather do marijuana if anytin

Originally posted by YogsVR4
bigfrit, I tend to agree that if someone wants to use drugs - be it a soft drug or shoot heroin five times a day - I say let them. However, I also believe a person has to be responsible for their actions. Because most drugs are mood/behavior altering, once someone starts taking them, they may not be as responsible as they say they will be when off the stuff.

At some point users (especially the hardcore ones) will do something that will cause harm to another person. Needless to say, thats the part where these people need to be held accountable. You see some groups claiming that we should work at rehabilitating these addicts. Where is the personal responsibility now? They chose to fuck up their life. Perhaps we help them out once, but if the ever make the statement "I want to do these drugs because its my right" then the next time they get caught harming someone else put them away for life. I know thats not practicle or reasonable, but neither is unfettered access to drugs.

I can agree with you 100% there Yogs. We seem to think fairly similarly about these things (sans US politics). Personal Responsibility seems to be an antiquated notion in modern western culture. Mores the pity.

Originally posted by De$i Gank$ta
i tried alchol and barfed 17 times...........

so i would rather do marijuana if anytin

Well, in that case you obviously had WAY too much. Try again, with a serverely lowered dosage and you'll probably find you enjoy it more [says Oz while on his third beer :finger:]

Well You guys are absolutely right on that issue. People who do drugs (but abuse them) tend to blame other people or society for their misbehavior.
It is not because you have lost your job, or when you hve problems that society suddenly says that you HAVE to become an alcoholic or even a junkie, it's the people themselves.

I also agree with the fact that people should be taken responsable for their acts. For example, people who have smoked all their lives should have to cough up:rolleyes: the money for the threatment by themselves and not be a burden to medical insurance, they are the ones that chose to start smoking.

But what we see in our civilisation, people stop taking responsability themselves , and start blaming other things, that don't have anything to do with this.
For exaple; people who smoke, blame the tobacco companies, people who have an indigestion, blame the restaurants or food makers, people who burn their lip when drinking coffee, blame the server! these are all genuine cases here!

My utopian solution to all these issues is that everything should be legalised. And that if you want access to thes things (coffee, alcohol, nicotine, drugs, whatever) you should take some kind of class or exam where they genuinly measure your sense of responsability. If you pass this, you should re-take this exam every year to see wether it has changed! :)

Like I said UTOPIAN solution. It isn't do-able...

But it's the thinkers that evolve society..... hehe

Originally posted by supratuner
drugs are for ricers, so no i dont do drugs! I still think you need mental help Joey!!!:rolleyes: :bloated:

HAHHAH-TOnioseven great Avatar. Why cant autoshows here be like that?????????

Allow me to post a few quotes on the subject from, IMO, the greatest comedian ever - the late great BILL HICKS...


If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then take all of your records,tapes and CD's and burn them.

- Bill Hicks [Unless you like listening to New Kids on the fucking Block:)]

Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit... unnatural?

- Bill Hicks

They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference.

- Bill Hicks

I have never seen people on pot get in a fight, because it's fucking impossible

- Bill Hicks

And on the seventh day, god stepped back and said "There is my creation, perfect in every way... oh, dammit I left pot all over the place. Now they'll think I want them to smoke it... Now I have to create republicans."

- Bill Hicks

My final point about alchohol, about drugs, about Pornography...What business is it of your's what I do, read, buy, see or take into my body as long as I don't harm another human being whilst on this planet? And for those of you having a little moral dilemna on how to answer this, I'll answer for you. NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS Take that to the bank, cash it and take it on a vacation outta my fucking life. And stop bringing shotguns to UFO sightings, they might be here to pick me up and take me with 'em.

- Bill Hicks



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When on the topic of drugs people usually think about things like pot and crack and other such narcotics, they dont usually think of the drugs like alcohol and caffiene like you guys are stating. I myself believe that most drugs are bad, and will never use them, caffiene on the other hand, I gotta have some way to stay awake at work.

Originally posted by supratuner
drugs are for ricers, so no i dont do drugs! :hehe: :hehehe:

I added the fourth option in the poll, which I then selected as my vote.

Drugs are given a bad name by drug abusers, not drug users, like myself, who occasionally may partake in something in moderation. There is the argument that drug money funds terrorism, and to that end, okay, you've got me. Can't really put together a rebuttal for that one.

Drugs are not for everybody, in fact they are not for most people. And I think it should be that way. But I see nothing wrong with trying something that turns your world on its side, and allows you to see things from a different perspective. I won't even get into how amazing some of them can make you feel.

In moderation, long term affects are from what I've seen, very difficult to trace or prove. Does it affect my daily life? No. And I also defend the point that alcohol, nicotene, caffiene, aspirin, prescrption pain killers, etc. are all legalized drugs, some of which harm more people and destroy more lives than all illegalized drugs combined. It's a ridiculous, appalling double-standard.

As for legalization, I think I kind of agree with Yogs. For one, the global drug market would crash. And I generally think this would be a good thing. But I have heard compelling arguments for why it is a bad idea as well.

Lastly, like the Bill Hicks material very much, flyonthewall :D

also if it was legalised there would probably be some sort of restriction on the potency of the drug in question. leaving the government to set the standered.:)

I smoke sometimes Marijuana but not often.

stefanel- nice an straight up- at least you are man enough to admit smoking marajuana- good for you- to tell you the truth- I'd buy it and smoke it in moderation if it was legalized and sold in cafers- but quite frankly I don't want to have to deal with the back-alley dealers

I understand your opinion. But you could cultivate :D
In Italy, isn't it legalized to smoke marijuana (as in Belgium or Spain for example) ?
Another solution is to go in Swiss and buy there... you're not allowed to smoke but you can perfume your loundry or your bath with it :D :D and that's true !

Originally posted by Stefanel1
I understand your opinion. But you could cultivate :D
In Italy, isn't it legalized to smoke marijuana (as in Belgium or Spain for example) ?
Another solution is to go in Swiss and buy there... you're not allowed to smoke but you can perfume your loundry or your bath with it :D :D and that's true !

Damn, if half the people in my school knew that, they'd be buying plane tickets left and right:bloated:

Many people from all arround the world (Japan, Brezil, USA, etc. and of course Europeans) are coming in the Nederlands were everything is legalized : marijuana for example... without speaking about prostitution or euthanasia but (to me) that's less interesting ;)
... I broke a car in this country :(

Originally posted by Stefanel1
Many people from all arround the world (Japan, Brezil, USA, etc. and of course Europeans) are coming in the Nederlands were everything is legalized : marijuana for example... without speaking about prostitution or euthanasia but (to me) that's less interesting ;)
... I broke a car in this country :(


Need I ask how you broke it?:D

I was very "tired" (no need to ask more info :D )... and a Twingo broke my Golf :(

Originally posted by Stefanel1
I was very "tired" (no need to ask more info :D )... and a Twingo broke my Golf :(

LOL!!!!! Twingo :lol2:

There are neither Golf nor Twingo any more... :(

I will never do drugs. They fuck you up big time. You know what pisses me off...people that say that smoking pot is not bad for you. That is a bunch of BS.

Fact: One joint of marijuana has the same ammount of tobacco as four cigarettes. This is a fact.

Originally posted by orange nitro
I will never do drugs. They fuck you up big time. You know what pisses me off...people that say that smoking pot is not bad for you. That is a bunch of BS.

Fact: One joint of marijuana has the same ammount of tobacco as four cigarettes. This is a fact.

That's the biggest pile of horse shit i've ever heard!!!!

Marijuana and tobacco are two different things, a joint will only have tobacco in it if you take it from a cigarette. Plus its not the tobacco thats harmful, its the tar, nicotine and many other toxins and chemicals within the tobacco that harm you. Do your research!!!

Here's two facts, which are most certainly true!!!

a) No one, i repeat, no one, has ever died as a result from smoking marijuana.

b) Marijuana is the planets 'wonder' plant. It has a thousand different uses, one of which just happens to help people get high and explore their own minds.

Originally posted by flyonthewall




a) No one, i repeat, no one, has ever died as a result from smoking marijuana.
.


hhhmmmm............Thats a pretty extreme view- care to back it up?

Originally posted by Jimster



hhhmmmm............Thats a pretty extreme view- care to back it up?

I should rephrase actually, coz i meant consumption. Smoking it is bad (mmm kay!), I'm not saying its isn't.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=death+caused+by+smoking+marijuana

I have not heard of consumption deaths either. I do know that deaths have occured b/c of the cause of stupidity it has brought to teens.


Besides, Pot heads annoy me so much...:devil: :angryfire J/K most are ok....

Originally posted by flyonthewall


That's the biggest pile of horse shit i've ever heard!!!!

Marijuana and tobacco are two different things, a joint will only have tobacco in it if you take it from a cigarette. Plus its not the tobacco thats harmful, its the tar, nicotine and many other toxins and chemicals within the tobacco that harm you. Do your research!!!

Here's two facts, which are most certainly true!!!

a) No one, i repeat, no one, has ever died as a result from smoking marijuana.

b) Marijuana is the planets 'wonder' plant. It has a thousand different uses, one of which just happens to help people get high and explore their own minds. Agreed. It is all bullshit propaganda, i.e. the notion of marijuana's harmful effects. I think the only way to die directly from smoking marijuana is if you have some allergy or other form of respiratory intolerance. And I have met people with such medical conditions. But aside from that, you simply can not OD from marijuana. I am also aware that without medical research to back this up, it becomes hearsay, "your word against mine." But I know that many in this thread know what I am saying is true and will back me up here.

Yes I do agree JD - it's fairly unlikely unless there is some congenital issue such as allergy, asthma or sensitivity to any particular compound or substance contained in cannabis sativa smoke that you'd die DIRECTLY from smoking it.

On the second point, there is potential when anyone is intoxicated by the effects of a narcotic substance (whether legal or illegal) to do themselves indirect harm. This includes a impairment of judgement, function or reactions. It also may include the effects of smoking (prima facie the byproducts of burning organic matter whether it's tobacco or cannabis sativa are to a large extent fairly similar).

And finally, the medical research into the use of recreational substances is at best flawed and it is difficult to say replicate a double-blind test. In many countries, where cannabis is illegal it is difficult to have non-advocatial volunteer respondents and even where the substance is decriminalised there is still serious debate about the results of any of the research published to date.

Because of the extreme difference of opinion from BOTH SIDES of the debate on decriminalisation or legalisation of the recreational or even therapeutic use of cannabis - the information available is difficult to separate from propaganda as both sides assert their primacy.

I'm thinking the jury's out on that. I understand and accept some of the well-reasoned assertions from both sides of the debate but as also it's difficult for a lot of us to make judgement on such emotive issues. But that's the nature of a mature free and democratic society that we are able to have a debate and commit to a dialogue on such issues.

Perhaps I can add a little insight.
I posted this in a similar conversation in another forum:

The brain has natural THC receptors, the actual neurotransmitter is called anandamide. The main areas of these receptors seems to be in the limbic system, basal ganglia and cerebellum.

In the limbic system, the hippocampus is responsible for short term memory, that is why people tend to be forgetful with short term memory while under the influence of THC. The role of anadamide in the limbic system is thought to be the main controlling factor of what is known as a "selective memory" thus it will inhibit converting the short term memory of something to long term. This is why we remember lots in short term, but forget within a few minutes. If it wasn't for anandamide, our brains would literally be overloaded. Another region of the limbic system, the amygdala serves mainly in strong emotion. Anandamide could be responsible for inhibiting an overload of intense emotion in this region of the brain, but that's not clear. THC interrupts processes in this region, and thus has an effect on emotions (though the exact effect is not known)

The basal ganglia and cerebellum are responsible for coordination and balance in movement. Because there are a larger number of anandamide receptors here, THC mimicks the neurotransmitter and binds to these sites, disrupting balance and coordination.


As for side effects after use? Since THC is immiscible in water, it takes a while to leave the system, though not as long as ppl usually think. The resulting effect is simply a retention of the chemical in small amounts, so it's still effecting your brain...... not much at all though. Decreased sperm production takes place, and your immune system activity is decreased, after chronic use stops, reversal of these symptoms is quick.


Most of what is out there for ppl's views on marijauna are simply old propoganda, innacurate or wrong. Though there is still much to be learned about this drug, the majority of data suggests that recreational use is certainly less physiologically and mentally damaging than alcohol use. In my personal opinion, using it in moderation is absolutly fine. Therapeutical effects include treatments for side effects of radiation therapy, stimulate apetite in cancer and aids patients, and treat MS and glaucoma. THC may potentially also reduce malignancy in breast cancer cells and help reduce secondary brain damage caused by stroke.


As for what should happen legally? I believe that decriminalization is by far and away the best strategy. It will prevent corporations coming in and selling the plant laced with rocket fuel, cyanide and everything else they also use in cigarettes to make ppl more addicted. Another benefit is less tying up of the legal system and jails, and since they can hand out tickets for ppl caught, then there is an increased source of revenue for our government. The only problem I have with this is that there will be increased concern of people driving under the influence of THC, though I believe there are viable solutions.

-Will- 3rd year B.sc. in Neuroscience, University of Lethbridge.

I realize this is off topic and is not a soup question (if you have seen finding forrester you know what that means) but Ranger X, what might your profession be?

Originally posted by ILike2DriveCars
I realize this is off topic and is not a soup question (if you have seen finding forrester you know what that means) but Ranger X, what might your profession be?

student

Drugs are really cool!!!!! till you have some guy yelling at you in a language you don't understand holding a gun agianst your temple.

Originally posted by GTStang
Drugs are really cool!!!!! till you have some guy yelling at you in a language you don't understand holding a gun agianst your temple. Come on, HONESTLY, what the hell does that have to do with drugs? Is that some assumption about how drug dealers act with people that buy their narcotics? Clue me in here.

As long as someone doing drugs doesent directly effect me (IE them crashing into my car in a drunken state) then I am aight with it ... people need to realise that if people wanna do it then nothing is gonna stop em.

Personally I drink beer once in a while and rarely smoke pot.

Ranger-X you make some really good statements. And the ignorant politicians need to realize this. I feel it should be legalized but only can be used in private use. And I think it will be somewhere in the future say 5-10 years from now. What about the Anti-Drug commercials, they are way over dramatic. I don't know anyone who acts that stupid. However this world is full of stupid people and some may be that retarded. But I still think their commercials dramatize the way people act on pot and whats sad is that none of those people producing the commercial even know what its like to be "high". And until it b/c legal i will still stick to my guns and not smoke anymore.

About my statement earlier it was just my feeling based on my expirence.

Hmm,haven't looked in this thread in a while.

The only "drugs" I "use" would be caffeine and alcohol. I used to smoke cigarettes but I stopped, I never have and never will smoke marijuana or any harder drugs.

I have seen too much bad shit happen from people smoking weed (my best friend got expelled from school for possession - granted it was his own fault but the point still is made). My philosophy is that I get enough shit and poison into my lungs by accident by simply breathing the air, that I don't need to put any more in deliberately.

I have a lot of friends who smoke weed, I don't think any less of them, I just would never do it for myself. However, it's the chronic pot heads who annoy me, the ones who do nothing but smoke it any chance they get. These people do get dumber, I've seen it first hand at school. No motivation and they're thick as two bricks.

My 2c.

marijuana is as much of a drug as alcohol

DRUGS ARE BAD NEWS!

Originally posted by 99maxse
DRUGS ARE BAD NEWS!

Statement of the year, someone give this person a medal:rolleyes:

Originally posted by ILike2DriveCars


Statement of the year, someone give this person a medal:rolleyes:

Werd. Lets give everyone a medal that comes in here offering no opinion except some one or two line statement about something they know nothing about :rolleyes:

Bill Hicks was the greatest comedian of our time.

Originally posted by flyonthewall
Allow me to post a few quotes on the subject from, IMO, the greatest comedian ever - the late great BILL HICKS...


If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then take all of your records,tapes and CD's and burn them.

- Bill Hicks [Unless you like listening to New Kids on the fucking Block:)]

Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit... unnatural?

- Bill Hicks

They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference.

- Bill Hicks

I have never seen people on pot get in a fight, because it's fucking impossible

- Bill Hicks

And on the seventh day, god stepped back and said "There is my creation, perfect in every way... oh, dammit I left pot all over the place. Now they'll think I want them to smoke it... Now I have to create republicans."

- Bill Hicks

My final point about alchohol, about drugs, about Pornography...What business is it of your's what I do, read, buy, see or take into my body as long as I don't harm another human being whilst on this planet? And for those of you having a little moral dilemna on how to answer this, I'll answer for you. NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS Take that to the bank, cash it and take it on a vacation outta my fucking life. And stop bringing shotguns to UFO sightings, they might be here to pick me up and take me with 'em.

- Bill Hicks



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