Help!!!! I Need My Integra To Go Faster!!!

here's my problem,
i tricked out my 97 integra hatch manual
and promptly got my ass handed to my by a mustang GT, twice.
so now i need to go faster

here are my options that i know of

1. LS/VTEC
2. GS-R USDM
3.b-18 c-5 JDM (yes the JDM type R)
4.b-18 c-1 JDM (JDM GS-R)
5. B-20
6. h-22a JDM/USDM ( i believe this is a prelude motor and i have no idea if this would work)


i want a car i can drive daily and still be fast without having it turbo or supercharged and keeping it left hand drive
if i can't beat the mustang i want to at least give him a challenge
please give me advice, it will be greatly appreciated

johnny

Drop in USDM GSR engine then get Spoon Sports or Jun Racing Stage 2 NA kit. You will smoke anything.

Throw a gsr motor and build up your head with skunk2 (cheaper) with stage 2 cams. Upgrade your fuel injectors, fuel rail, and fuel pump.

so which would it be?


a USDM GS-R or a JDM GS-R?

from what i've seen in my friends civic h/b he has a JDM GS-R and is pushing almost 200hp after some exhaust and engine mods. and consistently beats the crap out of everyone of the westbank who runs a USDM GS-R.

although i have loooked into it at several local chop....er....body shops:eek:
i have recieved mixed answers, some refuse to do a JDM engine swap citing that i would have immedate problems in performance and that it wouldn't be worth it, other have told me to go with it.

which one would work best in terms of maintence reliability?

much thanks
johnny:bandit:

Either engine requires similar maintenance and are extremely reliable, like all Honda twin cams. They are basically the same engine except for some cam profiling and fuel maps and compression and stuff. So it doesn't matter. BTW, I don't know what was going on above, but keeping your Honda engine NA under 220hp, there is no fucking way you need to upgrade your fuel system. Get which ever engine is cheaper then work it.

Originally posted by Oz
but keeping your Honda engine NA under 220hp, there is no fucking way you need to upgrade your fuel system. Get which ever engine is cheaper then work it.

But it is "Fucking" better to do it.

id go either b20 or b20vtec good torque especially for daily driving

Originally posted by mellowboy


But it is "Fucking" better to do it.

No, actually it serves absolutely no purpose at all unless going Forced Induction. There is still no pressure on the manifold above atmospheric. :rolleyes:

hmmm....
i'll be sure to consider it oz, although 210+ hasn't been my goal i'll reset my bench marks. but one more question

will i finall be reliably (meaning 9/10 times) able to beat that damn mustang GT w/ a JDM

johnny

Originally posted by Oz


No, actually it serves absolutely no purpose at all unless going Forced Induction. There is still no pressure on the manifold above atmospheric. :rolleyes:

Ok? So why do they sell fuel pumps for? Surely it goes for both N/A and FI! It just the specs u gotta look at. Certain pumps are for certain set ups. Same goes with the injectors. Upgrading fuel is just not for FI only.

:rolleyes:

Yeah - bigger fuel pumps on NA cars are for one thing - making money from people like you. :rolleyes:

Don't buy mods that you don't need people.

it really depends on what your budget is. yes i would say a b20 vtec would kill the mustang but its not exactly a reliable setup no matter what anyone says. the same goes with ls vtec. its great but not meant to be that way. i have about 5 friends with ls vtec and they all love the power WHEN IT WORKS. i would day to go with a turbo for a few reasons. im assuming you have a b18b or a . either is good for turbocharging because they are relatively cheap and have low compression. with a turbo setup on your car even running low boost you could beat the mustang and still have a more reliable car than any vtec conversion would be. not to mention a turbo setup would cost less then a full engine swap. but if you really want to swap im assuming the type r engine is a little too expensive for the average person. so if you are going to be modding the hell out of a gs-r engine it doesnt matter which one you get usdm or jdm. if you switch the cams and get a chip you've already taken away the advantage the jdm has over the usdm. and with either engine you can reliably make 220hp NA but it will take some money. i think thats covers enough for now but in case, any more questions?????

Originally posted by Oz
:rolleyes:

Yeah - bigger fuel pumps on NA cars are for one thing - making money from people like you. :rolleyes:

Don't buy mods that you don't need people.

OK? If you upgrade into bigger cams its gonna require more fuel! Even for turbo kits. Why do u think they recommend upgrading ur fuel pump while goin turbo? Sure don't upgrade ur fuel...let ur engine suffer.

:rolleyes:

No worries Mellowboy. You go right on ahead and buy your bigger fuel pump. I hope your engine thanks you for it.

Why do I bother?

i see it coming........

dOOd drop a usdm h22a1 (97-99 lude i belive)

it's a little more work due to buying mounts and axles, but engine tranny and ecu can be had for around $2000

:bandit:

In most cases oz is right...you DONT need a high flowing fuel pump in most N/A platforms....where you DO need a higher flowing fuel pump is in cases where you are running 300+ horsepower on MOTOR alone. There would basically be no point to it, especially if you didnt upgrade your injectors and fuel rail as well...if you are only going to be making 200-240 hp, i definitly wouldnt bother with it, not worth the money imPo (Professional, and that I am. ;) )

Originally posted by BlowOff
In most cases oz is right...you DONT need a high flowing fuel pump in most N/A platforms....where you DO need a higher flowing fuel pump is in cases where you are running 300+ horsepower on MOTOR alone. There would basically be no point to it, especially if you didnt upgrade your injectors and fuel rail as well...if you are only going to be making 200-240 hp, i definitly wouldnt bother with it, not worth the money imPo (Professional, and that I am. ;) )

Hmm...notice how he doesn't come back when presented with the facts? :devil:

(And I maintained the whole time that I was only talking about NA motors <220-230hp, which is what was being discussed).

Originally posted by Oz


Hmm...notice how he doesn't come back when presented with the facts? :devil:

(And I maintained the whole time that I was only talking about NA motors <220-230hp, which is what was being discussed).

notice what? I'm not sayin anything anymore cause its pointless and let the kid do whatever he wants. I'm stickin to my word.

H22a JDM is my suggestion. My friend just did the swap (he's debugging some few glitches now). But his car moves like you wouldn't believe. It is one of the hardest if not the hardest swap. You have to buy all new mounts, run a different shift linkage, axles may not be as big of a deal as they are with civics however (since with a civic you're supposed to use Integra ones anyways). So even though you can get the engine, ecu, tranny, sensors etc; it's still fairly costly and very time consuming. If it sounds too much like a hassle then go with a B18c of some sort; it'd still be sick.

whichever decision you make....go here

http://www.inlinefour.com

I'm suggest an h22a....but thats just a biased opinion...

HERE TO HELP YOU OUT:

B16A= 1595cc/DOHC VTEC/160BHP/
B18C1(GSR USDM or JDM)= 1797cc/DOHC VTEC/170hp
B16B (Civic Type-R)=1595cc/185bhp/DOHC VTEC
B18C5(TEG Type-R)=1797cc/DOHC VTEC/200bhp
H22(Prelude)=2156cc/158ft lb torque/190bhp

Come on guys help him out, don't confuse him leave that up to the shops. Just go with the B18's they are easier to swap. The B18C5 is what they call perfectly tuned you might not want to TURBO that engine. With the GSR B18C1 TURBO it and you will have to do other mods
to your engine when going turbo like new fuel rails and regulator. Stuff like that. Then mash on that Mustang :naughty:

Get a Vtec head, a set of cams, springs, retainers, and cam gears, some .5MM over CTR pistons, GSR or ITR tranny, and a hytech header with full 2.5" exhaust. Don't waste your money getting a GSR motor, JDM or otherwise. For the money you save yourself by not buying one of those you can make your car a whole lot faster.

Don't go wit the lude motor.Only cuz it is heavier, and will throw off the balance of your car.The 1.8 is a far better motor in terms of reliability, and durability.

mellowboy, u dont need a upgraded fuel pump - the stock honda ones are plenty unless u start mamking some big numbers - if u need more fuel start with a adjustable FPR, I was running a fairly desent shot of nitrous on my motor with several mods and I didnt need a bigger fuel pump - there was no need

Kyle