North Korea

How does the situation with N. Korea present itself to you? I myself feel that though the US may be a bit power hungry, N. Korea is still a little too hostile. I don't think the results of the disagreement will be war because it would be too disasterous, but one thing is assured, a struggle may insue. Anyhoo, simply my thoughts.

I'm figuring that a war with North Korea would not be an urgent priority for the U.S. administration right now.After all,the world knows that these guys have the capacity to build weapons of mass destruction,and they don't have any oil.I'm amused by the idea that they have said that they would view U.N. sanctions as a declaration of war.Suddenly the rest of the world votes to wage war on Korea?

...there is no gas in North Korea, in Irak, there is !!!

I think there could be an armed conflict; the Korean nukes can only reach china, india, and japan. So, the Amercians could strike with impunity.
I can see the N. Korean president in front of a red button, "I swear to god, bush, ill do it! I'll take out Japan!":rolleyes:

NORTH KOREA MIGHT SEE THIS AS A CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING UNDERHANDED.....EX: MOM'S IN THE PROCESS OF ABOUT TO GIVE BIG BROTHER A SPANKING WHILE YOUNGER BROTHER SEE AN OPPERTUNITY TO TAKE COOKIES OUT OF THE COOKIE JAR...MY NOT SEEM LIKE A GOOD EXAMPLE BUT IT'S TRUE....I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO BECOME A HERMIT AND MOVE TO THE NORTH POLE......BUT THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE PROBLEMS REGARDLESS......I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THIS MAY PLAY OUT LIKE THE COLD WAR DID...BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT NORTH KOREA'S ULTIMATE PLAN IS

Originally posted by Chris
I think there could be an armed conflict; the Korean nukes can only reach china, india, and japan. So, the Amercians could strike with impunity.
I can see the N. Korean president in front of a red button, "I swear to god, bush, ill do it! I'll take out Japan!":rolleyes:

Actually, their delivery system can reach Alaska and Hawaii. The rest of the continental US is out of range for the time being.

Hmmm, didnt know that. Still, Alaska is not worth attacking, Hawaii is; which is good, IMO. That way, they wont attack N. Korea; I firmly believe that war is bad.

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
NORTH KOREA MIGHT SEE THIS AS A CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING UNDERHANDED.....EX: MOM'S IN THE PROCESS OF ABOUT TO GIVE BIG BROTHER A SPANKING WHILE YOUNGER BROTHER SEE AN OPPERTUNITY TO TAKE COOKIES OUT OF THE COOKIE JAR...MY NOT SEEM LIKE A GOOD EXAMPLE BUT IT'S TRUE....I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO BECOME A HERMIT AND MOVE TO THE NORTH POLE......BUT THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE PROBLEMS REGARDLESS......I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THIS MAY PLAY OUT LIKE THE COLD WAR DID...BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT NORTH KOREA'S ULTIMATE PLAN IS

im going to the norht pole with u!

i think bush is acting like the police officer of the world, If iraq has nuclear bombs then they will bomb us with them on the first day we attack them, bush has his head up his ass and cant see this, thats what sucks about these people with high school education, they dont see things like we do! Korea will bomb us too if we atack them, we cant sit here and think that they wont cuz these guys probably will, in the most part we will attack iraq , bush will spend all his time there on the boats acting like he cares about our army but in real life he is just doing it for pure politicts cuz he wants to get relected next year! He wont cuz he hasnt done any thing for the economy I live in NC and my county used to be the #1 furniture producer in the world, but now china is, and my county is left with a 11% unemployment rate!

Originally posted by supratuner


im going to the norht pole with u!

i think bush is acting like the police officer of the world, If iraq has nuclear bombs then they will bomb us with them on the first day we attack them, bush has his head up his ass and cant see this, thats what sucks about these people with high school education, they dont see things like we do! Korea will bomb us too if we atack them, we cant sit here and think that they wont cuz these guys probably will, in the most part we will attack iraq , bush will spend all his time there on the boats acting like he cares about our army but in real life he is just doing it for pure politicts cuz he wants to get relected next year! He wont cuz he hasnt done any thing for the economy I live in NC and my county used to be the #1 furniture producer in the world, but now china is, and my county is left with a 11% unemployment rate!

NOT TO GO O/T...BUT WHAT PART OF NC??? FROM RALEIGH AND WILMINGTON

I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT BUSH WILL GET RE-ELECTED....I THINK LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE BLAMING HIM FOR WHAT'S GOING ON (DUH!!!) AND I BET PEOPLE BLAME HIM FOR 9-11-01 JUST BECAUSE IT WAS DURING HIS ADMINISTRATION.....NOT TO BE THE SUBJECT OF FLAMING...BUT I THINK I LIKED CLINTON BETTER :D

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC


NOT TO GO O/T...BUT WHAT PART OF NC??? FROM RALEIGH AND WILMINGTON

I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT BUSH WILL GET RE-ELECTED....I THINK LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE BLAMING HIM FOR WHAT'S GOING ON (DUH!!!) AND I BET PEOPLE BLAME HIM FOR 9-11-01 JUST BECAUSE IT WAS DURING HIS ADMINISTRATION.....NOT TO BE THE SUBJECT OF FLAMING...BUT I THINK I LIKED CLINTON BETTER :D

i live near the mountains in hudson,

bush is just mad cuz his dad couldnt finish the job in iraq 10 years ago! so now he is going to try to finish it for him

Originally posted by supratuner


i live near the mountains in hudson,

bush is just mad cuz his dad couldnt finish the job in iraq 10 years ago! so now he is going to try to finish it for him

George Bush Snr. did what was neccesary in Iraq without starting the Third World War.He has my respect for that.His son is a clown by comparison,an embarrassment to his father's name,and an obsessive.The sooner you guys vote him out of the White House,the better.

Originally posted by taranaki


George Bush Snr. did what was neccesary in Iraq without starting the Third World War.He has my respect for that.His son is a clown by comparison,an embarrassment to his father's name,and an obsessive.The sooner you guys vote him out of the White House,the better.


Couldn't have put it better :cool:

George Bush Sr went in with a legit motive- Dubya has absolutley no motive apart from oil and non-existant WMD's

Uhm, without trying to sound like a total wanker, I know a bit more than most, being military n all, there's a lot i obviously cant share, but I feel that the Iraq crisis is being handled very well, he's been OVERLY diplomatic, and has given him more time than is due. And if they were just after a straight out fight, why did they wait til Saddamm eventually said, "Ok come over. honest we havent used the stalling time to hide weaponry." One thing also that the media has forgotten is Iraq also were given a do or die request in terms of their CLAIMED biological weaponry destruction. Not once have they given PROOF they have carried out the steps required to disarm themselves of these sorts of weapons. Now if he wantys to have 0.1% of a threat with chemical or bio weapons then I say flatten that motherf#$*er!!! Ask the people I work with what they fear about war, its not bullets, or bombs, or knives, its gas and bio agents, the shit you dont see that makes ur mate drop dead before you can say "whats wrong?" And as for north korea, Bush already gives so much aid he basically plans to cut it back, therefore starving them.

Are we going to make the war ??

Originally posted by taranaki


George Bush Snr. did what was neccesary in Iraq without starting the Third World War.He has my respect for that.His son is a clown by comparison,an embarrassment to his father's name,and an obsessive.The sooner you guys vote him out of the White House,the better.

I am quite confident that he will be reelected. :)

I agree that Korea is being opportunistic. I also agree that bio/chemical weapons are what I fear the worst. A bullet can end my life quicker than some agent that will make me spasm until I break my back, cause my blood to lose the ability to transfer oxygen, etc.

I only hope that we have recovered enough from clinton's cutbacks to be committed over there too if need be.

Trust me, if we need to surrender, we'll defiantly call France to help work out the details. Otherwise I can't really see where their opinion really matters much.

Luetic, in my short time in this forum, I've found you've consistenly managed to say the least intelligent, most offensive things possible. Do you realize how unpatriotic you are? Here we are in an international forum, discussing the United States foreign policy. You are an ambassadore for America, at least to this small audience, and all you can think to do is make an ass of yourself? I hope you're not like this all the time :(

I frankly don't see how either Iraq or North Korea pose a threat to the American people, except for when thousands of Americans will die in inner city fighting, when the US invades Iraq.

As for North Korea, the US prevented the communist north from toppling the government in the south. Since then, South Korea has grown to become an industrialized nation, and fairly prosperous at that. Lately, relations have been improving greatly between the north and the south, and this is a good thing. I'd be happy to see the Koreans united as one nation

Some years ago, there was the whole "crisis" centred around North Korea building a nuclear reactor for generating power, that would have produced plutonium, which could then have been refined into weapons grade material.

Anyways, a comprimise was made, and the US was supposed to help North Korea in a number of ways, which they never did. Just little things, like building two safe nuclear reactors, which the American technicians would tend, to ensure that all the plutonium would be properly disposed of, and thus not be used in a nuclear weapons program. They never did this, so North Korea has begun work once more on their own reactor. Of course, the White House says this is a just a ploy, so they can get more out of America. After all, they've already gotten so much, like an embargo that starves their people.

What the US does not want to see is a unified Korea, which would be another powerful Asian nation without US foreign interests nearest to it's heart.

The US would make a serious mistake if they pissed off North Korea because it would also piss off the South Koreans and all the effort they have made.

They don't like to be bullied and George Bush should refrain from making stupid comments towards them

Some sort of war against korea would be rediculous the obvious opproach is diplomacy and aid.

Bush will never start a ground war with North Korea, they have a massive army, it is very well trained, and they are quite experienced in guerrilla warfare.

Bush just doesn't want to see a unified Korea. We have a European Union, and the next thing that is coming is an Asian Union, in which the major players would be China, Japan, and Korea. China has the resources, Japan has the technology, and Korea has the expertise in manufacturing. It's likely this union would be closely allied with the European Union, through a trade agreement.

The US has always stuck it alone, and this time, it might stick them back. This arrangement would leave the US out in the cold... Of course all this is my private speculation, and might take 200 years to happen.

Originally posted by Cbass
Bush will never start a ground war with North Korea, they have a massive army, it is very well trained, and they are quite experienced in guerrilla warfare.

Bush just doesn't want to see a unified Korea. We have a European Union, and the next thing that is coming is an Asian Union, in which the major players would be China, Japan, and Korea. China has the resources, Japan has the technology, and Korea has the expertise in manufacturing. It's likely this union would be closely allied with the European Union, through a trade agreement.

The US has always stuck it alone, and this time, it might stick them back. This arrangement would leave the US out in the cold... Of course all this is my private speculation, and might take 200 years to happen.

bush also likes the idea of isolationism

weather he likes it or not at some point there will be a world union and nothing is going to stop it

I'll be honest I would like us to remain a superpower. However, those come and go. Yet, I hope we do have other superpowers. Then we can have anti-EU, anti-Asia, whatever threads too. j/k. :D Seriously, it would help even the work load. Yeah, we have "agendas" as everyone in power will (it does corrupt absolutely after all). But we still do humanitarian work and it would be nice to help the rest of the world too. Of course there is a risk of another Cold War to brew. Well, the Earth is going to hell in a hand basket anyhow so screw it, eh?

I look forward to that day Cypher, and I'm happy to find other people who do as well :)

Darth Cypher, do you have MSN messenger, or AIM/ICQ?

I have the MSN Messenger.

you see the PM button USE IT
and its going to be a world thing eventually we're half way there already

im not too scared of a war here n the US, but im scared of all the people we are sending over seas, scared that the arabs will kill them like they did us on 9-11, NO ARMY IN THE WORLD HAS TEH TECHNOLOGY TO ATTACK THE U.S. nOT EVEN CHINA, THE LARGEST ARMY IN THE WORLD, they dont have the technology to come over here and beat our asses, yes im scared for all our brothers in the middle east, one nuke could wipe out every one that is stationed there, isnt that smart? if any one wants to kill us they will go for our peeps in the middle east!

Originally posted by Stefanel1
Are we going to make the war ??


The answer is yes, In my area with an 11% unemployment rate they are packing up every one and sending them to the midle east, Not just the reserves but the military, marines, etc... They are even asking retired marines to consider coming back. for what? so we can stand around for the next 5 years not shooting a single gun? Look at how bush handled the prob with china taking our spy plane, he just stood around,all talk no action!

it is time now to take out our Rage Against The Machine CDs and move to Cananda, no matter what our congress man say, we will have a draft with in the next 5 years, and that means i will have to go to college or move to canada, which should i do?

And you call Hussein a tyrant... :huh:

Originally posted by Cbass
And you call Hussein a tyrant... :huh:

um yea ...............WARMONGERING.............

anyone heard of attack first ask questions later? :confused: It comes from Starship Toopers which is a film based on Fascism what Paul Verhoven point that he was trying to make is that everyone becomes fascist in a time of war. I think i'm beginning to see his point

Originally posted by YogsVR4


I am quite confident that he will be reelected. :)

as the saying goes,you can fool all of the people some of the time........

Of course he will get re-elected,Yogs.Even if he has to start a war in order to achieve it.His economic policies don't work,he got in on a shoestring last time,the logical swing would take him out of power,the only way he can possibly stay in is to divert attention from his piss poor performance by starting a war.

I've said it before,I'll say it again.This invasion of the Middle East is about oil and votes.Bush is a liar to pretend any different.

And once February 5th rolls around, we will have another CNN war, as Bush promised last night.

Originally posted by Chris
And once February 5th rolls around, we will have another CNN war, as Bush promised last night.

anyone catch the line in Goldeneye where 'M' says "unlike the US government we prefer not to get our news from CNN"

i just thought that would fit


anyway what do you mean by CNN war specifically?

Lots of pretty staged footage for CNN, while American youths get slaughtered in the inner cities.

YogsVR4 stated earlier this war will be quick and decisive. Well it will for that part that the US is interested in, the open desert where the oil fields are. It won't be for the inner cities, that they'll have to capture and hold. There, they won't be dealing with a society that doesn't care much who rules them, as they did in Afghanistan, but instead against a people who revere their leader, as the only man who will stand up to the nation that starves and bombs them.

It's going to be ugly, very ugly.

Originally posted by Cbass
Lots of pretty staged footage for CNN, while American youths get slaughtered in the inner cities.

YogsVR4 stated earlier this war will be quick and decisive. Well it will for that part that the US is interested in, the open desert where the oil fields are. It won't be for the inner cities, that they'll have to capture and hold. There, they won't be dealing with a society that doesn't care much who rules them, as they did in Afghanistan, but instead against a people who revere their leader, as the only man who will stand up to the nation that starves and bombs them.

It's going to be ugly, very ugly.

yea i've heard to things

one is that they want him out and he supresses them (probably his opponents voice)

and two they like him


why can't they just talk to the ass have they tried that yet? EVER?

Because he's not going to say "Here, have all my oil! I don't want it!"

Also, because America really needs a war right now, to take peoples minds off of politics, and the economy needs the boost.

Originally posted by Cbass
Because he's not going to say "Here, have all my oil! I don't want it!"

Also, because America really needs a war right now, to take peoples minds off of politics, and the economy needs the boost.

i heard that one I guess there's no avoiding it. Typical :rolleyes:

What do you mean by that?

Originally posted by Cbass
What do you mean by that?

it was on BBC.co.uk

financial Analysts at some research facility of some sort ...i can't find the article anymore said that a short sharp war would boost the American Economy

and Bush seems so desperate to run in for a good war.

I think i heard that before .............. it went something like

"there's nothing like a good war to boost the economy"

Originally posted by Cbass
and the economy needs the boost.


bush has been promising for the pass year that he will fix the economy, he hasnt yet, now he wants to cut taxes, dont get me wrong but right now tax cuts are the last thing we need, in school we have to buy a lot of shit for the first time ever, cuz they wont give the teachers money, my high school alone has to cut spending by $70,000 next year,

taxs are where the troops get their pay, how r we gonna pay an army when all we do is cut taxes?

o wait, we gave so much money to the familys of the fire fighters of 9-11, once again dont get me wrong, but we did not need to go aroud giving each kid, wife, and family member of the fire fighters who lost their lifes on 9-11 $1,000,000. why did we do that? $500,000 would have been more than enough, then we could have used more money for the army that is busting their ass's for us

The money given to those families does not add up to much, when you consider the budget of the US.

Rest assured, the troops will always be paid, they're the ones who would keep the government in power should the shit hit the fan.

The tax cuts are largely for corporations, based on the principle that if the rich have more money, they will spend more! If you consider someone might make $3 million in a year, how much are they really going to spend? With houses, cars, boats, what else are they going to buy? The only option left is to invest in making more money.

Of course the tax cuts come at the expense of the standard of living of the 95% who can't afford private schools, medical care when their family gets sick.

The tax cuts do go to those who pay the most taxes, as YogsVR4 is quick to point out, but these are the people who already have everything, and more money than they can actually spend, barring extravagant purchases, such as apartment buildings, small islands etc.

The people who really do need the tax breaks are the people living paycheck to paycheck, who are gaining debt at an alarming rate. Who do they owe the money to? The banks who lend it to them, the same banks who recieve the massive tax cuts, the same banks who contribute vast amounts of money to both parties.

If your net worth is less than $1 million, you mean nothing to the US Gov't.

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1042491376624&p=1012571727085

that is all

That seems pretty biased to me, they didn't mention how the agreement they reached in 1994 called for the US to build 2 nuclear power facilities for them, in exchange for the used plutonium. This never happened, and there is only speculation on the part of America that they intend to build nuclear weapons.

In fact, it seems to me, that the only thing that the US can really say they are doing is resuming construction of a nuclear power plant, and there is nothing threatening, illegal or otherwise bad about that.


From FT

The spent fuel rods have been in secure storage since 1994, under a nuclear freeze agreement struck with the United States that year. But after American officials confronted Mr. Kim's government last October with evidence that it was violating the agreement by pursuing a new, clandestine nuclear program, North Korea renounced the 1994 agreement. It threw out international inspectors on New Year's Eve, and now appears to be moving the rods.


After the US failed to meet ANY of it's obligations in the agreement of '94, the Bush administration "confronted Mr. Kim's government last October with evidence that it was violating the agreement by pursuing a new, clandestine nuclear program", yet there is no mention of what this evidence is, or any proof that there was evidence. This smacks of propaganda.