EB 16/4 Veyron

The new ultimate supercar....with an estimated 900Ft./Lbs. torque from a 1001din HP/890+ BHP quad turbo V16 engine, this car will easily rip Mclaren, my other fav machine a new one.....while this does not make me hate the Mclaren, it does diminsh my enthusiasm somewhat :) Icannot wait to see the true performance of this beast! 260 mph seems to be in the realm of possibility!

wow! that's amazing! isn't it W16 though? not v16.
I've heard it will have way over 1000hp.
Can't wait to see how much juice it got :)

no $$$ to talk about Bugattis rather leave em to the rich folks

Piech said it will have 1001 European HP, or 987 American horsepower. 1250 newton-meters (922 lb-ft), 4 wheel drive, a qaud-turbo W16, a 406 km (252 mph) top speed. That is what I know. That top-speed may not be right. Expect 0-60 in the 2 second range (not a typo, really) Oh, it has a 6-speed stick and aluminum space-frame. 50-60 will be made.
THIS WILL BE THE WORLDS BEST CAR. PERIOD.
Price of admission: 1 million greenbacks.
Is it wrong to have a dream about it? (seriously, I did. I dreamed Mr. Peich was there, giving it to me. It was amazing to drive. The engine was awesome. MAybe I shoudl get out more often)

I'm going faint.

The reaon any performance you here is bogus is because no one anywhere (not even Piech) is telling what it will be like.

i luv it too. that's why i'm adding it 2 my new design of pz.com coming soon

paganizonda.com turning into this design:

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BTW... only the Aston Martin link works right now, and nothing in that section works:D

What I wouldn't do to drive it, just once:silly2:

50-60 will be made.

that's annually, not total. car and driver says price will be around 750K. with 922 lbft available at 2200 rpm, i think 2 second 0-60 times will be easy to get.

I'm pretty sure 50-60 is the total, total, I think. It will be one million, most likely/certainly.

best. car. ever.

best. car. ever.

i. must. disagree.

McLaren F1. the F1 is a much better car. it had so much more than just massive power, like the 16/4. the only special thing about the Bugatti is the massive power and the 16 cylinder engine.

The problem with the Veyron is that it hasn't been built yet. The F1 has it all over the Bugatti for that reason, there are actually F1s in the hands of owners around the world.

Once its built and driven by people who have driven F1's (like Tiff Needle), then we will have a good comparison. Some mag will probably get a chance to compare them head to head. But technology has come a long way in 10 years, so I think this Bugatti will be better.

well, for one it's more practical. the looks are much more tame (so will blow the minds of those who know and confuse those who don't) and the interior is a lot nicer.

I'm a big Bugatti fan, but I think I'd choose an F1 over the Veyron. I don't like the styling and it would seem that the F1 would be a better driver's car (atleast that's the image I'm getting). VW wants this bird to fly...and I'm sure they'll do it.

No dealers. One produced each week starting at the end of 2003 (or the beginning of 2004) and only 200 built when all is said and done.

I prefer the EB110 over the Veyron. And the new car seems to be lacking something that the original Bugattis had...but I can't put a finger on it.

Right now it's impossible to say what he finished car will be like. It is supposed to head toward the ultimate sports car, with luxury added on. It will probably be faster in a straight line, but handling may be compromised by weight. We'll just have to wait 1.5 years or so for a full test.

Originally posted by hermunn123


that's annually, not total. car and driver says price will be around 750K. with 922 lbft available at 2200 rpm, i think 2 second 0-60 times will be easy to get.

922 lbft at 2200?!?!?!?:eek2: i. umm. wow. 2200? are you positive about that? it makes that much torque where it idles? good golly

It'll idle below 1 grand, probably. Yes, it does make that much power that low down. Its amazing. I've seen 0-60 times in Novembers C&D, whcih they estimate at 2.5 seconds, which is wholly reasonable. I suspect it could pull a sub-10 second quarter right out of the box. If you modded it a bit with NOS, slightly more boost, and lower gears, then a quarter in the 7's could be possible, and still be streat legal!!!!

Now thats what I'm talkin' about:D

From the pics in the Dec issue of MotorTrend I wouldn't call it an attractive car on the outside but it is stunning nevertheless. On the inside it is also stunning and with a 252 mph top speed and $800,000 pricetag, I am speechless. Innotech, you found this in March, great find!

Love it, and I from what I'm hearing theres a revolutionary W-16 thanks to VW...hell yes...0-60 in 3.2 seconds which is either the same or right next to the McLaren....and it'll be like 850K....but ya know what...1, can ya really tell the difference between 3.2 and 3.6....get the porsche 911 Turbo...and save the 700 thousand...but...hell that's just me and my accountant speaking....:D later

Timmy C.

Thats about 3 or 4 car lengths (3.6 vs. 3.2), so its pretty significant.

3 or four car lengths...who's caring, if you buy that car to actually race it you should be shot. I'm saying u show it off for an hour fill up the 3 extra seats with some hotties and roll back home for some TLC!!!

IMHO, if you buy the car and don't use it to its potential, you should be shot. Besides, if you have the money, do you want the fastest, most exotic car in the world, or do you want second fiddle?

And the 911 Turbo goes, what, 186mph, and the 16/4 goes 252! Try explaining that little difference!

Originally posted by Chris
...and the 16/4 goes 252!

In theory.

Even if it goes 'only' 220, its still way faster.

sure its a V-16 but if it isnt its partner in bussiness is the lamborghini they got this new next gen Diablo and its called the Canto with 244 mph and 667 hp in a V-12 engine that is better then MCLAUREN F1 but the lambo rejected the Canto and r making something better to be there second car next to the MURCIELAGO however it will replace the unreplaceable diablo sad:(

Um, sorry, but the Canto project was cancelled, mainly due to crappy aerodynamics, plus Audi didn't like it.
The Murcielago is the best Lambo that they will make, they are making an introductory model, though, to compete with the 360.

Oh, and a Canto had difficulty maintaining 200, if it got that far, mainly due to said aerodynamics. And it had about 600hp.

WELL I GUESS IN THE YEAR 2003 FERRARI WILL HAVE THE BEST ROAD CAR SINCE THEY GOT THE F-60 AND THE LAMBO WILL GET KICKED THE THE THIRD GREATEST V-12 NOT SECOND (BUT THE FERRARI MOVES FROM 3RD TO 1ST SINCE IT HITS 230 MPH) HOPEFULLY LAMBO WILL COME THROUGH ON THE YEAR 2003 IN STAY ONE STEP AHEAD OF FERRARI
OH YA BY DA WAY THIS IS MOE20 :smoker2:

Elsewhere, we had a rather heated debate as to which would be better, the Veyron, or the F60 (which will only hit about 200mph, because they are designing the aerodynamics to make it super-stable, not super top speed, kinda like an F1 car).

the 1001 horsepower rating is according to the european calculations... it's 987 according to the u.s.'s... and at 922lb ft o torque at 2,200 rpm... don't you think it would do 0-60 in a little less than 2.5 seconds? that venom does it in 2.4... i would say more like a 1.8 to 2.1 second 0-60 time... and realize... handling and acceleration are always more fun than speed... anyone know of the drag specs on it? if they're low i would suspect a speed top of 270... at least... jsut think of how fast a cart car can go... and then look at how much drag it creates with it's spoilers... well, with about the same horspower and torque... don't you think it's top speed would be a little higher than eveeryone elses? and can speed and acceleration limit street legality? or is that just an idea of ya'lls? (sorry if i sound synical)

Don't forget how light a champ car is, though.
And since a 800hp Lingenfelter TT 427 vette with cheater slick did 0-60 in 1.97s with wheelspin and a little shimy, the 4wd Veyron should be able to beat that. Which would be super-cool.
I can't wait till we get a road test. I expect we will be waiting about another year before that, though.

Hmmm interesting since VW also owns Lamborghini, some sort of technology transfer might take place and make it in the future versions of the Murci.

Originally posted by Cabbie
Hmmm interesting since VW also owns Lamborghini, some sort of technology transfer might take place and make it in the future versions of the Murci.
ug. I really don't like the Murci.

:eek: I think you are the first person I know that doesn't like the Murcielago. By far, it is one of the nicest cars ever designed, and that's not just my oppinion. Did you ever see it in person? If you did, you might just change your mind. It is a truely beautiful car.

Originally posted by SuPeRcAr_MaN
:eek: I think you are the first person I know that doesn't like the Murcielago. By far, it is one of the nicest cars ever designed, and that's not just my oppinion. Did you ever see it in person? If you did, you might just change your mind. It is a truely beautiful car.

When I first saw the Murci in the pictures I was not impressed - I though Lamborghini dropped the ball. Then when the Murcis came to our local dealer I started to change my mind. You really have to see this car in person and in certain angles to really see how beautiful it is. If course that just my taste. If you don't like it you dont like it :)

Originally posted by SuPeRcAr_MaN
Did you ever see it in person? If you did, you might just change your mind. It is a truely beautiful car.
Yep, didn't change my mind. Maybe if I drove one.....

I've seen many cars in my life...including the Murcielago. It's not "one of the nicest cars ever designed" in my opinion...and I'm sure I'm hardly alone. Lamborghini has much to live up to and the Murcielago is just one of their designs...I wouldn't rank it among THEIR best. I, personally, would put it among the lower levels of Lamborghini cars.

Hey, but styling is a personal thing and Supercarman's statement that it is "by far...one of the nicest cars ever designed, and that's not just my opinion" is a bit misleading. Just because you and your friends like it, doesn't necessarily mean there are throngs of people who subscribe to this thought.

The Murcielago is a nicely designed car...I would never rank it among the "nicest cars ever"...and I don't know any automotive professionals or historians who would.

the w16 motor is a freak of nature, but the veyron is only a superexpensive muscle car. the mclaren will still be the perfect supercar because of all it has to offer, not just in straight blazing top speed or 0-60 times. the mclaren does all it does on a v12 engine, the veyron needs an extra 4 cylinders, assuming it will beat the mclaren performance. its not a fair comparison, granted, i still think the mclaren will beat it on any track with more than 2 turns.

also, regarding the 911 dispute, for the difference you pay for the extra .4+ 0-60 times, its not justified. granted, if you can afford a veyron, you damn well better find a track to use it on, otherwise, what good is the extra top speed you aqcuire?

We can't really say anything about the Veryon until it has been thourghly tested on the track. Personally I don't like the styling but a lot of people have high expectations on the car's technical abilities.

I think what everybody so far has missed ,atleast what i have seen ,is the fact that the veyron it's self has no history.It is just a VERY fast and expensive car ,and i have heard of no plans to race it.All this car proves is it took a manufacturer 15 years and 1 million dollars to come CLOSE to the callaway sledgehammer.The McLaren has a road and race history that maybe never be repeted.

Joey:

No history? Fifteen years? Please do some research before you come up with stuff like that.

I'll give you the BRIEFEST of histories of Bugatti. Ettore Bugatti built the first Bugatti Type 10 in 1909 and Bugattis started racing shortly afterwards. A Bugatti was entered in the fourth Indianapolis 500 in 1914. Bugatti won LeMans in 1920. Bugs too the first four places in the 1921 Italian Voiturette Grand Prix. Bugatti has a very strong racing history.

Another point you're missing is that the "Callaway Sledgehammer" was only a tuner car...not a production car. Bugattis have always been production cars.

Hudson or so-called "car enthusiast extrodinaire "
Nice to see that you READ my posting.Please note that i said the VEYRON IT'S SELF had no race history or any plans to(not bugatti as a company) ,and that it took a MANUFACTURER (not a tuner) 15 years to come close to the sledgehammers speed.Further more i do not need even the briefest history lesson on bugatti as a marque thank you.A very strong race history? ,no kidding!.They just have the most succcessful GP car in history (35a/b).In the future if you are going to correct someone ,or make a feeble attempt as you did to make them look foolish ,i suggest that you completely read and understand their posting before you reply and make yourself look foolish ,or more foolish as the case may be.
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Joey:

Nice to see you EDITED your comments.

As you should know, tuners have much less to deal with than manufacturers. A tuner can make a product that only a few people would want and they don't have to deal with those pesky governmental regulations. A manufacturer needs to make a product where many more people would actually plunk down the cash...besides the emissions controls, crash testing, etc...

And the Veyron not having a racing history? How many cars have a racing history before ONE is produced?