Acura Integra Type R vs Eclipse GSX

Which one would win ? And does anyone know the 0-60 and 1/4 time for the GSX .

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Eclipse GSX
210hp
217lb-ft
0-60=6.7 sec.
1/4 mile=????


Teg Type R
195@8,000 rpm
130lb-ft@7,500 rpm
0-60=6.5 sec.
1/4 mile=????

It would be close I'm not really sure. According to the people on SuperHonda.com the Intergra would win

Well we both know why they would say the ITR ........damn it would be an awesome race... u say that GSX would run 6.7 are u sure ? It seems that an all-wheel drive turbo charged 210hp would do a better time than just 6.7 :confused:

1/4 mile on ITR is 14.7

that awd is heavy slows it down alot
dont matter if its turbo or not

i have a 1990 eclispe gs 2.0 16 valve dohc and i burned on from take off and the gsx would burn the painte off of that car

well i know that the GS-T 0-60 was 6.5 and the 1/4 was 15.3 The itr would beat the everliving $#@! out of the GS-T ...So does anyone have the specs for the GSX ?

AWD is meant for some heavy duty HP not some 210 hp car.. if they made that thing just RWD it would be twice as fast!!

you think so ....it has an ass of traction on the road..rain...mud whenever . I dunno awd is bad to tha bone :D

hehe never driven one so i cant say but that is just my theory.. that is why porsche is tryin to get rid of it on their 911 turbos... added weight so i figured it would apply to these cars too..

LakeMountLude:
AWD is meant for some heavy duty HP not some 210 hp car.. if they made that thing just RWD it would be twice as fast!! The GST has a 0-60 of 6.5 sec. So more is not always better. As in wheels being power by the motor.

that 0-60 time isnt really that fast:rolleyes: ...

Oops sorry LakeMountLude I read too fast and quoted the wrong thing. I wanted to quote VTEC V6 :o

yeah i dont like the accord engines too much unfortunately.. they made them too weak.. i know they could have made them better but since they made it a luxury type honda they focused more on the ridability instead.. thats my opinion

the GS-T is faster then the GSX, isnt' it?

aren't they the same engine, just the GSX has all wheel drive?

yep ur right same engine but the gsx has awd
not sure if that helps or not

in the bmw 330s the 330ix is faster than the 330i because it gets better traction on take off
i dont kno if that applies to the eclipse or not

and the thing holding bak accord engines is not the lack of power, cause there really isnt a lack of power, if they would've advanced the timing from the factory and made it run on supreme like all the other import V6s in its class than we would've had like 220hp or so

and the main thing holding it bak is the automatic
if they made a manual transmission it would be much faster, pulling 14's stock

but i heard the 7th gen accord coupe will be the new honda sport coupe so it will have a manual transmission since the prelude will be discontinued

if they made a manual trans for the accord right now, i doubt anyone would buy the prelude, since the accord is cheaper and it would be faster with the manual

i think the accord coupe looks really good too

it would be dead even. the itr is hard to drive and the gsx isn't. the gsx runs 14.8 1/4 mile and so does the itr...or about. it would be very close.

Okay, i'm gonna try and be as un-biased as possible... I own a '99 GSX, but my girl works for Acura so i get the skinny and to test drive all their new cars... Well most, they won't let me near a brand new NSX or new ITR's... =) I have taken out a couple of the used ITR's though... They are quick don't get me wrong, but i'm gonna have to go with the GSX here...

People that have been asking, which would win at a light, the GS-T or the GSX??? Coming from experience, from the line, both cars bone stock, the GSX takes the GS-T... Why??? Because of the AWD the GSX can "LAUNCH" while the GS-T is still spinning it's tires, and that's the bottom line...

As for the race between the GSX and the Type-R, now that i would love to have happen... I have never come up against a "real" ITR, (i say "real" because you know there are plenty of bae integras out there that have spent $$$ on Type-R emblems, hehehe... =)

i thought i read somewhere that the GSX is a little slower than a GS-T because of the extra weight of the AWD

.... i guess i read wrong

well, I have a 98 GSX and it would be a close race. I took on a couple back when my car was stock and we were right there. It would depend a lot on the drivers. The GSX will have an advantage from a stop due to the AWD. I can drop the clutch at about 5k and that thing will just squat and go, no wheel spin. The V-Tech engine doesnt come in to play until really high RPM's so if the GSX got away with a good launch I dont think the Integra could catch it.

the only thing you're missin out with an AWD car is that you can't do burnouts :( oh well, it's better smokin someones ass :D :D

I dislike both very much, but the elispe would win stock vs. stock or modded vs. modded

I have a modded GS-T Spyder and I rip on type r's all the time, even when i was stock i beat them but it was a little harder...oh yeah and i'm automatic too. : )

Originally posted by VTEC V6
that awd is heavy slows it down alot
dont matter if its turbo or not

while it is heavier the awd drive makes up for it on the lauch if i was rwd it would take a little longer to launch i would give it to the gsx because better lauch more power and a shit load more torque

Originally posted by VTEC V6
that awd is heavy slows it down alot
dont matter if its turbo or not

yeah the GSX is actually faster than the GS-T and they're the same car just GS-T is without AWD

Ok....just a little FYI. All wheel drive makes a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference. For instance...Nissan 300ZX TT (1990+ aka z32): HP-300 stock, rear wheel drive, not too heavy, very fast car...pit that against the Nissan Skyline R34...the Skyline will WALK from the Z off the line. "But why" you might ask...The Skyline HP-280 stock, **AWD**, similar weight, INSANE car. Why does the Skyline have a 0-60 of less then 5 seconds with LESS HORSE POWER? Cuz it's AWD. Simple. Traction = go...as long as you have the power to drag your ass and not too much ass to drag along with you. I bet if you could some how juice around 350-400 hp outta the GSX, you'd be making Ferrari puree.

Also...The Porsche 911 TT is a legend that has many years to come, I'm sure. All Porsche currently has in production is the 911 and the Boxter. Why the hell would they get rid of the TT? Just doesn't make sense. Soon to come out...new Porsche SUV...ahhh...Porsche re-enters the world of v-8s. Should be cool.

hmmmmm Z sorry to say this but a skyline pushes more then 280hp. nissan underrated their engines. in england they dyno all the gt-r's before they do mods on them and hte R34 had 323 hp and 319ft lb at the crank. but yes the AWD does make a hugh difference. esp in the rain. i have such a hard time in the rain in my S14 when my friends WRX would take turns like nothing. and off the line. forget about it. the WRX chirps all 4 tires for a split second then takes off, when if i'm not careful i'll end up doing a peel out for a few seconds and smoke my tires then take off.

Originally posted by longlivetheZ
Ok....just a little FYI. All wheel drive makes a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference. For instance...Nissan 300ZX TT (1990+ aka z32): HP-300 stock, rear wheel drive, not too heavy, very fast car...pit that against the Nissan Skyline R34...the Skyline will WALK from the Z off the line. "But why" you might ask...The Skyline HP-280 stock, **AWD**, similar weight, INSANE car. Why does the Skyline have a 0-60 of less then 5 seconds with LESS HORSE POWER? Cuz it's AWD. Simple. Traction = go...as long as you have the power to drag your ass and not too much ass to drag along with you. I bet if you could some how juice around 350-400 hp outta the GSX, you'd be making Ferrari puree.


Why would you compare a 300Z to a GT-R?! :confused:
The skyline is a level above the 300z, it's a superior car in all aspects

The skyline is the fastest sports car to complete the nurburgring
It's comparable to Toyota Supras, Acura NSXs, etc.

i think the fairlady Z is in the same class as a supra. remember the supra is not realy a good track car. a stock integra type R can get a supra around a track. however, its not int he same league as the GT-R and NSX.

Acura!:bandit: :smoka: :smoker2: :ylsuper

i liekt he GSX better

Stock, it would be a good race. Modded, the Teg wouldn't even be able to tast the premium exhaust fumes.

Perhaps a better comparison would be between the ITR and the Eclipse GS-T (it has the same engine as the gsx, but its FWD so its lighter=faster).

IMO, the Integra type R is probably THE best handling FWD ever. The GST is just as fast, but it doesnt handle as well. So I think the ITR is a little better than the Eclipse.

If your going to keep the car completely stock, the R will win handling and braking. But if you modding, the Eclipse will always win, with AWD and the 4G63T engine.

depnds on what year clipse. 1st gen gs-t (turbo fwd) is a tick over 15 sec. on the 1/4 and 6.4 on the way to 60. the gsx is slower because the awd adds 400 lbs. after a few simple bolt ons the clipse gsx would murder the type r. the type r doesnt gain power very well and such its such a well balanced car mods tend to offset its ability to perform.


also awd does help after you start into the 13s a problem with all fwd cars is that all the pressure going directly to the ground can easily cause serious suspension damage.

well ive raced a couple 95-96 talons and i kill those things and a guy in an eclipse didn't wanna race me one time, iv seen 1/4 miles in the mid 14's like 14.5 off broken in type r's and time for the eclipse are like 14.9-15 so i am positive the type r would win, also eclipse are way heavier, and don't have as many performance parts...

Scratch out the rice parts and Honda's aftermarket just shrunk in half. BTW, a GSX and ITR stock vs. stock would be pretty close, but put on the basic boltons and a GSX would 0wn it.

Oh yeah, i ment performance parts in the car already stock, oh yeah ad of ocurse the eclipse would be easier to mod, if the integra was turbo it would be too...hell if it was turboed it would be crazy fast...

Not really.......because A) Its front wheel drive, B) Its limited to like 7-8" wide wheels, and C) It would have horrid torque steer (you dont really think of torque steer in most Hondas cause they dont have any torque).

It would destroy the perfect balance the Type R has, and its that balance that makes the car so special.

Originally posted by 1320B4U
Not really.......because A) Its front wheel drive, B) Its limited to like 7-8" wide wheels, and C) It would have horrid torque steer (you dont really think of torque steer in most Hondas cause they dont have any torque).


Yea but it's the best handling FWD car available, and it has no torque steer.

Thats why its so special... it drives like a RWD..... almost

I was simply stating it would have torque steer if it had a big turbo on it.

Originally posted by 1320B4U
Not really.......because A) Its front wheel drive, B) Its limited to like 7-8" wide wheels, and C) It would have horrid torque steer (you dont really think of torque steer in most Hondas cause they dont have any torque).

It would destroy the perfect balance the Type R has, and its that balance that makes the car so special.



Yes my car does have torque steer but what does that matter in a straight line...AWD is NOT good for racing because it can't take hard starts at all, especially high rpms, its the weakest tranny and adds too much weight and saps HP, yes it would kinda ruin the balance, which is why its not the greatest idea. But can be done pretty effectively.

PS. Not all eclipses are awd anyways i don't think, there are front wheel models and their 1/4 is actaully a bit faster due to weight and hp stuff.

Actually...the only thing that can match an AWD launch is RWD on slicks. Ever seen those built GSX's launch at 7k RPMs? Also, the 1st gen DSMs will be stronger than the 2nd gen...2nd gen may look pretty, but the 1st gen is the bulletproofed one. Once you get into the low 1/4 mile times, though, yes, AWD is bad...the power drain in the drivetrain (hey, that rhymes) cuts down the top speed a lot, and at the end of the 1/4 mile it's hard to pull out power.

yeah thats what im sayin, it is a pretty big power drain, and as for the first gen one, i think i rather have some looks, cause i think those are kinda ugly lookin. I know it will not match of the line, but with some good tires and high reving the limited slip does wonders.

PS. 7000 launches in those cars are NOT a good idea for long lol

"Yes my car does have torque steer but what does that matter in a straight line..."
-Because your car was made for the corners.

"AWD is NOT good for racing because it can't take hard starts at all, especially high rpms, its the weakest tranny and adds too much weight and saps HP"

Its the best if your goal isn't better than 10's. As for hard starts, with a lot of all wheel drive vehicles you shouldn't dump the clutch because it gives almost zero wheelspin, therefore puts that stress on hard parts(tranny, diffs, axels), but you slip the clutch out fast at about 5g's and it takes off. Yeah, DSM's trannys aren't that weak, its putting up with 50% or more power than stock, which is easily added with a 16g turbo and some other bolt-ons. Thats 300+hp out of a tranny designed for 200hp. TRE.com, they have NICE trannys for DSM's, there like $2,500 and totally reinforced(double synchro 1st and 2nd, stronger parts, a lower 5th gear for a real top speed, taller gearing for 1st and 2nd, etc, etc). For the street, no less in wet Oregon, I would take AWD any day. As for weight and HP sapping, My car weighs about 3100lbs, even so the AWD makes up for its handling and the 4G63T motor has more than enough power.

"PS. Not all eclipses are awd anyways i don't think, there are front wheel models and their 1/4 is actaully a bit faster due to weight and hp stuff"

Oh really? I didn't know they made FWD turbo eclipses.:rolleyes: Stock it might be close, but once you put on some decent mods running 300hp+, you'd be kicking yourself in the ass if you didn't get the AWD.
and HP stuff? Would you define what you meant there?

"yeah thats what im sayin, it is a pretty big power drain, and as for the first gen one, i think i rather have some looks, cause i think those are kinda ugly lookin."

Yeah its a HP drain, but name a Front wheel drive thats runs 9's and is still streetable? As for looks, you got me there. It was either go fast are look fast. But Bomex's MR2 front fascia bolts on, drop it via Ground Control, some 17's powdercoated white, repaint the red paint, take off the stock spoiler and add a nice carbon wing, it should look pretty good :smoker2:

well whatever, iv heard quite a bit of people complaining about their talons having tranny problems all the time....and there almost the same car with same parts as the eclipse, yes they did come in fwd but they are very rare, and yes i know you can reinforce any tranny for a price but we aren't exactly about dropping a mint in the thing, 9 secs you say? That would for sure be having some kinda problems once in a while and maybe it ok if you don't race it lots but any car would be, but we aren't talkin about 9 sec's, that a very hard goal to acheive with any 4cyl car. I ment hp stuff by the sapping of hp because of the awd...

Oh I see what you meant. And yeah, streetable 9 and 10 sec. DSM's. If you want to see bout it cars(the above specified DSM's), check out Modified.com. Brand new mag, sorry but no H's in it. They were giving away free subscriptions to promote it at the website.

wet origon? that must suck if its wet alot there, awd all the way then, my car doesn't even drive good in the wetness, it jsut spins

I will apologize in advance for the rice-flame comment:

add a nice carbon wing, it should look pretty good

Anyone who doesnt know cars will think all big wings are ugly. Anyone who knows cars will say "why is that retard putting a huge wing on car that isnt RWD?" or "either that guy competes in 120mph races or he doesnt know a thing about physics"

Sorry we don't all have such good looking cars. But for the 90-91 Talon, theres not much out there, and its looks leave me wanting. Im not talking about a huge wing, just one that will spruce it up a little. Since my engine work is about done, Im moving on to the looks department. I already have AGX's in the box, there waiting for either Eibach springs or Ground Controls(can't decide). Wheels are pretty spendy, and the few used 17" powdercoated whites iv'e found are 4 lug of course. The car is red but getting new paint this summer, red again. But the stock spoiler is horrid you know if you've seen them, so I was going to take it off and get the holes filled, and get a new spoiler just because without one I dont think it would help. I don't know if the Bomex MR2 front end will clear my front mount, I had to trim down the stock cover quite a bit. So there's my situation. I mean, when you have to take the yellow out of the corners to get clears, you know there no aftermarket for the style.

Originally posted by VTEC V6
yep ur right same engine but the gsx has awd
not sure if that helps or not

in the bmw 330s the 330ix is faster than the 330i because it gets better traction on take off
i dont kno if that applies to the eclipse or not

and the thing holding bak accord engines is not the lack of power, cause there really isnt a lack of power, if they would've advanced the timing from the factory and made it run on supreme like all the other import V6s in its class than we would've had like 220hp or so

and the main thing holding it bak is the automatic
if they made a manual transmission it would be much faster, pulling 14's stock

but i heard the 7th gen accord coupe will be the new honda sport coupe so it will have a manual transmission since the prelude will be discontinued

if they made a manual trans for the accord right now, i doubt anyone would buy the prelude, since the accord is cheaper and it would be faster with the manual

What are talking about 14's stock? I don't think they would even come close. They don't have the "leaness" to pull 14's, bro.

And from what I've read there will be a special edition accord next year with a 6-speed. The new accord v6 is supposed to have 240 or so HP.

the mags have gotten like 14.9-15.1 with the 03 accord V6 5spd auto
the new 6spd coupe will come out early next year and will most likely pull mid 14s stock

and a current 6th gen accord V6 with a manual would prob run low 15s, maybe high 14s with some mods

ppl are already getting low 15s with bolt ons
check out accordV6.com for more info

Notalotaboost hate to say it but ur lying. There is no way u ripped on a type r with ur ATX fwd. I raced a type r in my awd-t. It was hard and i still lost (the first time). I took him 1 and 2nd gear then he pulled on me while i shifted to 3rd and he beat me by like half a car, maybe less. This was on road. The teg weighs less than eclipse i think. I dont like honda tuners cuz they jock what they see in magazines but teg or lude would be only one i drove. Maybe it was my shifting...or not...

132 there is only 1 versionof the eclipse that is awd(GSX). base, RS,GS,GST,GSX and thats all... Its easy car to mod but expensive as hell to maintain when something goes wrong.

Hahaha Hard Fucken Question I Raced A 2001 Type R. He Had 100 Shot Of Noz. He Bet 1000.00 Dollars. My 95 Gsx Is A Big Time Sleeper!!!! Two Days Before The Race I Dropped A New Engine Of A 1993 Eagle Talon Tsi. In The Engine It Self I Dropped 5000.00 Dollars. With A New Stage 4 Garret Turbo Pushing 22 Pounds. So He Thought He Was Ganna Get Me Cause He Had Noz. All I Thing Is That Type R Are Just For Show They Weren't Ment To Race. Don't Race A 1995 Red Gsx Around Seattle Ur Ganna Get Smoked. Don't Be Stuppid Like That Dude In The Type R!!!!

just to end this "integra type R VS Eclipse GSX"

download this Clip

ITR VS Eclipse GSX

http://students.washington.edu/crm2/Racing%20Videos/Eclipse%20GSX%20vs%20Integra%20GSR.mpg

Gsx: 14sec
ITR: 15sec

A pure stock bout would be extremely close. The GSX is turbo charged and has AWD with mad torque. If its pure stock the GSX would win, but not by much.

If u wanted modded the Type R has way more aftermarket products such as superchargers and custom suspension. But u have to take into account that the GSX is turbo charged, so just add a 20g turbo and u can make 500+ hp.

I think the GSX probably has more potential because it's turbo charged.....but they make turbos and all kinds of shit for the Teg too, so.....meh.

gsx would win. and who cares about stock?

Thanks for bringing back an almost year-old thread. And thanks for stating the obvious.

Lock please :o

gsx would win. and who cares about stock?

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