lol triple post

Sorry about that I can't seem to delete them either. Server kept screwing up and going so slow. Did the picture even come through on any of those?

Nope none of them has anything in them.

damn it, someone delete those then.

http://www.fordvschevy.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=310489

This should work.

Yes, also known as the Holden Monaro in the land of the rising Kangaroo. Come on, it's not like GM was gonna kill the F-body and leave the whole muscle game to Ford... :hehehe:

i'm digin it so far...but it would be cool if cheby had a V8 OHC engine lineup, ford's got them there *waits for Redneck to talk of cheby's new camless system*

All that is left is for Chrysler to follow suite, and with that new Hemi, they damn well better. I like the looks, but you think they would have designed a car from the ground up rather than using an existing platform.

CAMLESS TIMING OOooOooOooooooOoo factor 12!


GM should debute it in the C6 Corvette. The Corvette is the test bed for any new type of motor or type in tuning. (I.e. Crossfire Injection, TPI, LS1s). I hope they do... it'll Kick Vanos upside the ear lobe cause it has unlimited timing applications. Want to put around? Car adjusts to what would seem a very lazy cam design, want to race? Car adjusts to what would be a very rev happy cam... Dont forget it would most likely be put into a DOHC configuration.*

Eventually the motors would be trickled down to the rest of the GM line up. Just like the Camaro/Firebirds always ended up being a step behind the Corvette in technology/power.

Fun Fun Fun should be coming our way in the next few years... This should renew my faith in GM...

Just too bad GM seems to think I wanna go race around in a car that looks like a bar of Irish Spring.

*Camless timing is just a rumor though, I havent read or heard anything recently that contributes to my belief that we should see the system in the C6. Only time shall tell.

TV was right!

Just as I believed, the new GTO looks great. Bob Lutz, we thank you for excising the "my father was a cheese grater" styling motif that has plagued Pontiacs for the past decade. The new GTO looks like a nice evolution of the classic, as opposed to that butt-ugly concept they showed off in 1998-ish. I want mine in Marina Blue, please.

Needs ram air hood scoops though. The old GTO's had them, ram air or not. I'm sure that will eventually come.

Maybe even a Judge!! Go Judge!!!

i would expect them to make the GTO look more muscular since the classic GTO is a pretty diesel looking car. anyways thats not the true GTO. like what what Cbass said, its just a rebadge Holden. but Holdens are still nice cars. but they are making a real GTO. i've seen it on motortrend. the concept illustrations.

Ok my impresion was that even though the new GTO was based on the holden monaro it will be much upgraded in power and handling. I mean isn't the holden a V6?

BTW i hope this will give crysler a kick to bring back something too. A chalenger or a charger would be nice with the new hemi.

Nope, Neutrino you've got nothing to fear. This new Goat will have 300+ kicking ponies thanks to the LS1 V-8 and will route them through your choice of either a four-speed automatic or the Borg-Warner T-56 six-speed manual.

The new GTO is this car. And I, for one, am GLAD for it. Have you seen the concept drawings of the '04 Mustang? Pathetic! Retreading past glories is no way to make sales with anyone EXCEPT people old enough to recall said past glories. The new GTO, styling wise, is NEW for chrissakes. It isn't a stale cut-and-paste of the same tired out styling cliches that have kept Detroit in the doghouse since the start of the 90's. Instead, it's sleek, efficient, tidy, and pleasing. If anything, it can be traced back to the LAST pretty GM car to turn a wheel; the final generation of Riviera. I don't want to see this car get plastered in Orange paint, spoilers, and decals. I see it, rather, as a succesor to the understated Tri-Power Ponchos that ruled from 1961 (Super Duty Catalinas, not GTO's) to 1967. Those cars were beauties. This one is, too.

Yes, I want to see what Daimler-Chrysler does with its FR platform. Perhaps a new Challenger is in order? I'd like to see a new Super Bee, too. A Demon, though, that'd be wicked. Maybe just slightly above the Razor in the line-up. :angel:

yes that was my impresion too that they will upgrade the holden to the ls1 engine. I would like the ls6 but i guess that is too expensive.BTW i'll take the 6 speed thank you very much.


Question: Have any of you chevy guys heard of this new chevy V8 that is suposed to be the lenght of a 4cyl and the width of a 6 cyl basically a very small block V8 3.5 l i think. Also i understand that is suposed to be extremelly efficient and have great gas mileage.

IRISH SPRING RALLY!

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If you ask me, that car just looks like most other new pontiacs, they should have different styling for such a great old car. :(

One thing that plauges my mind about the new GTO... How much is that sucker gonna cost?? $30K?? More...........?

it looks too much like the holden monaro and grand prix, nothing like a gto at all . . . id much prefer a muscular look over this overweight, bloated-looking excuse for what a muscle car should be

put me in line for an 03 cobra thank you very much, as much as i like GM cars and all . . . :devil:

I wish they would also ship this as a new El Camino. Comes with a 350 V8, 300 hp, I might even sell my Xtreme for one of those. SS package too. Holden has some nice stuff.

http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/news/aw/gmh0012131cmg.jpg
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/news/aw/gmh0012131hmg.jpg

I hate to burst your guys bubbles, but look at a 64 GTO and a 64 Pontiac LeMans 6 cylinder. See a lot of difference, neither do I. Muscle cars were mid sizers with top of the line engines, also some were compacts with smallblocks, like the Nova, A-Body Chryslers, and Ford Falcons.

This Holden Monaro is a mid sizer coupe, with a top of the line engine in it...

Go here as well.
http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/*query?gto&source=all
I like how they kept that little triangular badge that they used to put on the GTOs.
http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__010759__.jpg
I'd like to see someone customize a new GTO, put a tri power in it and put on the old badges as well, 6.5 LITRE :p

I hate to burst your guys bubbles, but look at a 64 GTO and a 64 Pontiac LeMans 6 cylinder
Exactly take a look at this. The first picture is a 66 Grand Prix, 2nd one is a 66 GTO. It is no wonder why they look similar. They should be that way.
http://autohobbypage.com/show/00/hal/hal092.jpg
http://autohobbypage.com/show/00/ark/ark381.jpg

That's why I like the new GTO. It's closer to the 64-67 goats, which think are far prettier than the 68-72 goats.

I've said it before, it still needs the hood scoops. That was the main thing about the GTO that made it stand out from the other Pontiacs.

Also there is another thing about the GTO so far that I don't like. If you go to the website I posted which shows the red one, it doesn't have dual exhaust. I know the Manaro doesn't but :confused: this is a GTO damn it, where is the dual exhaust???

I'd still rather have the G8 ;), or that supercharged 3.4 TDC Grand Am they had a few years back... Both were AWD, and indecently fast.

This is the G8, it was powered by an LS1, but mounted transversely, with a viscous coupling system for the AWD.

http://formenmedia.ign.com/media/news/image/machine/Q2000_pontiac_grand_prix_g8USE.jpg

A later versioin, with a different hood.

http://www.rideanddrive.com/autoshow/nyc-01/images/pontiac-gp-g8-501.jpg

The later version looks 3x better. I wouldn't mind driving one of those.

The only difference is the hood and the glossy paint... I like the hood on the 3.4 liter car, but I can't find a pic...

But try to tell me you wouldn't have bought that if you were in the market... THAT, is what GTO should be, IMO.

Sorry, but those hood scoops make me want to gag!

It looks like a snork!

Nobody asked me, but I really like the look of the monaro. I think the design looks really clean and, well, "pretty". I would definitely buy one if they were under 30 grand, and if the lancer evo VIII had a 10k+ dealer mark-up.:D

wtf? I was looking at the Pontiac website and I found some kind of history thing for the GTO. The 65 GTO only weighed 3,122 lbs? The 66 was like 3,200. I had no clue they were that light, thats around the weight of a new Corvette. Were these things made out of fiberglass?

:eek: :confused:

Right after the 66 model, the 67 GTO jumped up to like 3,500lbs and from then on kept getting heavier.

They did change engines from the tri power to the 400 but I can't believe it would make that much difference.

Back in 65 and around those years, they didn't really need strong bumpers and all that other crashing saftey mechanisms. I think the government started to really enfoce safeness after 78(???). Also, them GTO's probaly don't have air bags and all that electronic crap like the vettes do.

The 67 probaly weighed more because I THINK it got bigger. Cars almost always get bigger.

Government safety standards for 5mph bumpers came into effect in 1973, I believe... Either that or in '72, affecting the '73 model year.

The original GTO was a Tempest with a big block... The later GTOs were based off of the Grand Prix, weren't they?

Originally posted by Cbass
The original GTO was a Tempest with a big block... The later GTOs were based off of the Grand Prix, weren't they?




The original GTO came with a 389ci Small Block that made 348 bhp @ 4900 rpm, 428 lb-ft @ 3200 rpm. Which moved the Original GTO 0-60 in 6.6 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.8 sec @ 95 mph

The GTO carried the 389ci motor till 66, in 67 it got pumped up to 400ci which made 360 bhp @ 5100 rpm, 438 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm. Which could push the 67 GTO 0-60 in 6.6 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.66 sec @ 99mph.

The GTO finally got a Big Block option for the first time in 1970 with the 455 which made 360 bhp @ 4300 rpm, 500 lb-ft @ 2700 rpm.

:jumpie:GTO OWNZ:jumpie:

Really? I knew the 400 was a bored and stroked 350, but I always thought the 389 was a big block... guess you really do learn something every day :hehehe:

I really prefer the look of the original '64 GTO, with the side by side headlights... I love that mid 60s straight line aproach to design, where the fender line carries throught to the 1/4 panel... Not to mention the side by side head lights... I want a '64 Royal Bobcat 421 GTO replica...

http://ultimategto.com/1964/64_00043_1.jpg
http://ultimategto.com/1964/64_00043_2.jpg


Hey Redneck, here's some new wallpaper for you...

http://ultimategto.com/scripts/showcar.cgi?type=show&pic=/1964/64_00043_4

TRI POWER PWNZ J00

Originally posted by Cbass
Really? I knew the 400 was a bored and stroked 350, but I always thought the 389 was a big block... guess you really do learn something every day :hehehe:




Haha.. nope the 400 isn't a Stroked and Bored 350.

It would be hard to make my 383 Stroker if the 400 was just a Stroked 350.

The 400 is its own block entirely, just like the 350 is its own size. My motor the 383 is a 350 Block bored and stroked with a 400 Crank crammed into it. If I'm not mistaken my block was taken .030" over bore.

389 Big Block? Nahh... maybe you're thinking about the 396? Smallest of the big blocks... but by no means lazy.

I prefer the '65 GTO myself, the '64 seems so Grandpa-ish ya know?

A '64
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/pontiac-gto/images/pontiac-gto-1964c.jpg
Just looks plain to me... still nice though.

A '65
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/pontiac-gto/images/pontiac-gto-1965a.jpg
Oooo Baby.

Ah, I'll always remain loyal to the '64, especially when it's fitted with the Super Duty 421 big block ;)

So I guess the 400 had a wider block? Or was it a taller deck? I know on the 351/400M, they made a taller deck version of the 351C block...

Stop posting pictures, you people are making me sick


























with envy. :D

You almost had me Poly!:D

Yeah 65 is my favorite as well.

Yay.
http://www.webvisions-co.com/lil65gto/gtohome.JPG

It just doesn't affect me the same way a '64 Royal Bobcat does... with Cragars, black paint, maroon interior... Oh yeah, and the Pontiac NASCAR engine too, that doesn't hurt :D Mmm... 465hp, 510lbft...

Speaking of 65's they just had on Walker Texas Ranger a red 65 GTO convertible.

Speaking of 65's they just had on Walker Texas Ranger a red 65 GTO convertible.

Texas ranger? Aww man.. I hate that show.. the fighting is so fake and not even interesting. :(

I was thinking the same thing, but was otherwise too polite to say it. Chuck Norris is not cool, no matter how hard he tries. In fact, the harder he tries, the less cool he gets...

Except in that one movie in the 80s, where he fights the communist Cubans who are invading Miami... That was pretty cool.