Enzo Recovery thread...
hirofkd
12-24-2002, 04:20 AM
Twenty years of modeling experience doesn't mean one can always make a good model.
This shows the stage after gray primer.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/379902tamenzo24.jpg
If you are a beginner, be encouraged, because even experienced modelers do screw up.
These are just after white primer was applied on gray primer.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/881425tamenzo25.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/564982tamenzo26.jpg
Gray primer was Gunze Surfacer 1200, and I used Modeler's Base white. Problem was that the Modeler's ran out, so I used Mr. Base White 1000 on the same day.
This could have been prevented, by not using different brands of primer, or wait for a few days between each coat.
So, originally this was meant to be Enzo progress thread, but now it's Enzo recovery thread.
First thing to do is to smooth the surface with 1000 grit sand paper, and that's what I'm doing right now.
This shows the stage after gray primer.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/379902tamenzo24.jpg
If you are a beginner, be encouraged, because even experienced modelers do screw up.
These are just after white primer was applied on gray primer.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/881425tamenzo25.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/564982tamenzo26.jpg
Gray primer was Gunze Surfacer 1200, and I used Modeler's Base white. Problem was that the Modeler's ran out, so I used Mr. Base White 1000 on the same day.
This could have been prevented, by not using different brands of primer, or wait for a few days between each coat.
So, originally this was meant to be Enzo progress thread, but now it's Enzo recovery thread.
First thing to do is to smooth the surface with 1000 grit sand paper, and that's what I'm doing right now.
srlxy
12-24-2002, 04:28 AM
WOW!!!
YOU GOT YOURS!!!
I am still waiting for mine...
seems that you are going to spend the next few days sanding..
YOU GOT YOURS!!!
I am still waiting for mine...
seems that you are going to spend the next few days sanding..
Focus2000
12-24-2002, 04:37 AM
Oh dear, one of the most eagerly anticipated models of the year and the paint gremlins attack it!
The body looks pretty complicated, but I bet it'll be good fun. Got any more pics of the kit contents?
The body looks pretty complicated, but I bet it'll be good fun. Got any more pics of the kit contents?
fastlife
12-24-2002, 10:07 AM
Whoa! I learned something today....Don't mix primers! :bloated:
I know you'll get it back on track. Can't wait to see more pics;)
I know you'll get it back on track. Can't wait to see more pics;)
fullbloodchop01
12-24-2002, 10:34 AM
:sun: God, the model everyone has been waiting for and someone runs into a problem:eek: , hope that you get the primer off without sacrificing any detail:sun:
Forhod
12-25-2002, 01:42 PM
Couldn't wait to see this one.
Good Luck on it!
Good Luck on it!
Guido
12-26-2002, 05:07 AM
Sorry to hear that. Keep it up and it'll come out good.
Good luck with it and keep us posted on the progress.
Good luck with it and keep us posted on the progress.
hirofkd
12-26-2002, 05:28 AM
Now, my Enzo project is back on track.
These are the parts you need to cut for the body color.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/143212tamenzo21.jpg
And my model looks like this now. I'll wait for a few days and apply the base color.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/837827tamenzo29.jpg
These are the parts you need to cut for the body color.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/143212tamenzo21.jpg
And my model looks like this now. I'll wait for a few days and apply the base color.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/837827tamenzo29.jpg
Guido
12-26-2002, 05:33 AM
wow, that's a lot of body parts to be painted seperately. But that adds to the realism I guess.
Primer looks OK now.
As some of you might know, I'm not a fan of the subject, but am always interested in a good build report! This one included.
Guido
Primer looks OK now.
As some of you might know, I'm not a fan of the subject, but am always interested in a good build report! This one included.
Guido
CalsonicR34
12-26-2002, 05:43 AM
How do you get the primer so white after u spray it on after the grey primer? After i spray the Mr White surfacer on it still is greyish, how many layers must I apply?
hirofkd
12-26-2002, 06:11 AM
Originally posted by CalsonicR34
How do you get the primer so white after u spray it on after the grey primer? After i spray the Mr White surfacer on it still is greyish, how many layers must I apply?
Hint is in the first post. I used Modeler's Base White, and that was the cause of my problem, because it reacted with Mr. Base White. Modeler's base white and pure white are two of the most opaque white in the Japanese market. One short can costs 700 yen or so, and sure, it's very expensive, but it turn black body into pure white with just about three coats or so.
How do you get the primer so white after u spray it on after the grey primer? After i spray the Mr White surfacer on it still is greyish, how many layers must I apply?
Hint is in the first post. I used Modeler's Base White, and that was the cause of my problem, because it reacted with Mr. Base White. Modeler's base white and pure white are two of the most opaque white in the Japanese market. One short can costs 700 yen or so, and sure, it's very expensive, but it turn black body into pure white with just about three coats or so.
tonioseven
12-26-2002, 11:04 AM
I look forward to your completion of this kit! I'll waitbefore I buy one though!
Vric
12-26-2002, 11:14 AM
I have ordered mine.. should be here in 1 or 2 month :(
primera man
12-26-2002, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by tonioseven
I look forward to your completion of this kit! I'll waitbefore I buy one though!
Ditto....i'm waiting to see what others here think before splashing out some money
I look forward to your completion of this kit! I'll waitbefore I buy one though!
Ditto....i'm waiting to see what others here think before splashing out some money
Tunero
12-26-2002, 02:50 PM
woooooooooooooooooooooooooou! amazing! wonderfull! fantastic!!! very very pretty model!
hirofkd
12-28-2002, 11:20 AM
The 2nd stage of paint preparation is done.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/660354tamenzo32.jpg
The paint I used were Mr. Color acrylic lacquer skin color, fluorescent yellow. and Mr. Retarder.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/912485tamenzo33.jpg
First, the skin color was shot from the the airbrush. No fluorescent yellow or retarder was added, so that the paint was opaque to hide the white primer thoroughly.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/762284tamenzo34.jpg
Then, a few drops of Fluorescent yellow was added to turn it a little yellowish.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/389070tamenzo35.jpg
In the last coat, I added 20% of retarder to slow down the drying time. The surface looks a little rough, but it's not as bad as the one, painted with a spray can. Once the paint is dry, I'll lightly sand the surface to get rid of lint and smoogh the surface.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/660354tamenzo32.jpg
The paint I used were Mr. Color acrylic lacquer skin color, fluorescent yellow. and Mr. Retarder.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/912485tamenzo33.jpg
First, the skin color was shot from the the airbrush. No fluorescent yellow or retarder was added, so that the paint was opaque to hide the white primer thoroughly.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/762284tamenzo34.jpg
Then, a few drops of Fluorescent yellow was added to turn it a little yellowish.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/389070tamenzo35.jpg
In the last coat, I added 20% of retarder to slow down the drying time. The surface looks a little rough, but it's not as bad as the one, painted with a spray can. Once the paint is dry, I'll lightly sand the surface to get rid of lint and smoogh the surface.
daggerlee
12-28-2002, 05:19 PM
Looks great so far, what's the final color going to be?
fastlife
12-29-2002, 10:55 AM
Yeah what DL said?
druid_99
12-29-2002, 11:15 AM
I will definitely buy this kit (which will make this my 32nd Ferrari for my collection) after I have received my payments for the Ferrari F50 my friend asked me to build:)
hirofkd
12-30-2002, 10:51 PM
While waiting for the base color to dry, I started on the engine.
This is after Gunze's new stainless silver is used.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/922862tamenzo39.jpg
This is after Tamiya enamel flat black wash is applied.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/472646tamenzo40.jpg
Finally, Tamiya enamel flat aluminum was dry brushed. Can't really see the difference in the photo though...
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/452834tamenzo41.jpg
Finished engine assembly.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/108487tamenzo43.jpg
It's easy to locate these exhaust parts by connecting with a brass rod.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/563462tamenzo45.jpg
Two exhaust parts had excess plastic, due to the limitation of a meal mold, so it was roughly cut with a hobby knife, and smoothed with a needle file.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/496035tamenzo46.jpg
This is a typical example of "paint while the parts are on the tree."
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/893141tamenzo48.jpg
The caliper can be painted black after it's glued to the hub. These particular parts can be held with a tooth pick, but other parts aren't that easy to hold, so use the tree when needed.
Next will be the rear suspension assembly, and the main monocock.
This is after Gunze's new stainless silver is used.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/922862tamenzo39.jpg
This is after Tamiya enamel flat black wash is applied.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/472646tamenzo40.jpg
Finally, Tamiya enamel flat aluminum was dry brushed. Can't really see the difference in the photo though...
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/452834tamenzo41.jpg
Finished engine assembly.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/108487tamenzo43.jpg
It's easy to locate these exhaust parts by connecting with a brass rod.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/563462tamenzo45.jpg
Two exhaust parts had excess plastic, due to the limitation of a meal mold, so it was roughly cut with a hobby knife, and smoothed with a needle file.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/496035tamenzo46.jpg
This is a typical example of "paint while the parts are on the tree."
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/893141tamenzo48.jpg
The caliper can be painted black after it's glued to the hub. These particular parts can be held with a tooth pick, but other parts aren't that easy to hold, so use the tree when needed.
Next will be the rear suspension assembly, and the main monocock.
Bobj
12-31-2002, 12:59 AM
Lookin good so far, cant wait untill they arrive in aus.:cool:
ales
12-31-2002, 04:27 AM
Looks like a thorough process!!! Are you planning to replicate carbon-fibre in any way?
primera man
12-31-2002, 06:52 AM
Nice looking build up.....keep the pics and details coming as there is alot of interest in this one
hirofkd
01-02-2003, 10:59 AM
The second coat of base color was applied with the airbrush. This time, a little more fluorescent yellow was added to Character Flesh to make it more yellowish. Since yellow is easily affected by the base color, I wanted to see the effect fluorescent color would make.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/966025tamenzo50.jpg
After two days, I sprayed Tamiya TS-16 Yellow to have relatively thick coat, because it would have to be sanded, before airbrushing very thin yellow.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/730280tamenzo51.jpg
As you can see, the orange peel was developed, and the next step is to smooth the surface with very fine sand paper, such as 2000 grit and above.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/754141tamenzo53.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/966025tamenzo50.jpg
After two days, I sprayed Tamiya TS-16 Yellow to have relatively thick coat, because it would have to be sanded, before airbrushing very thin yellow.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/730280tamenzo51.jpg
As you can see, the orange peel was developed, and the next step is to smooth the surface with very fine sand paper, such as 2000 grit and above.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/754141tamenzo53.jpg
Veyron
01-02-2003, 02:40 PM
smooth the surface with very fine sand paper, such as 2000 grit and above.
The Enzo body is going to be a fun one to polish with all those edges and curves!:rolleyes:
The Enzo body is going to be a fun one to polish with all those edges and curves!:rolleyes:
Fooesboy
01-10-2003, 05:14 AM
Great!
I'm wating for my Enzo to arive from HLJ, they have it on back order :(
Keep the up dates coming! :jumpie:
I'm wating for my Enzo to arive from HLJ, they have it on back order :(
Keep the up dates coming! :jumpie:
JE123
01-10-2003, 01:00 PM
That looks awesome man. I can't wait to get mine. Be sure to keep us updated on the progress.
hirofkd
01-27-2003, 04:55 AM
I'm working on the chassis. I'll post some pictures, when it's done.
In the mean time, I painted the wheels of the Enzo with Alclad aluminum.
Top is the plated kit parts, and the bottom is the painted wheels.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/644421wheels1.jpg
And in this picture, the silencer is an unpainted kit part.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/947845wheels2.jpg
In the mean time, I painted the wheels of the Enzo with Alclad aluminum.
Top is the plated kit parts, and the bottom is the painted wheels.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/644421wheels1.jpg
And in this picture, the silencer is an unpainted kit part.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/947845wheels2.jpg
hirofkd
02-01-2003, 12:24 PM
I just wanted to let you guys know that Studio 27's detail kit is out.
English instruction is included.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/747995as1975_176.jpg
So, yellow Enzo will be Tamiya + S27, and red Enzo will be Tamiya + SMS.
English instruction is included.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/747995as1975_176.jpg
So, yellow Enzo will be Tamiya + S27, and red Enzo will be Tamiya + SMS.
Midnight Racer
02-01-2003, 12:54 PM
Great progress.Keep us updated.
COZMO6476
02-01-2003, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by hirofkd
I just wanted to let you guys know that Studio 27's detail kit is out.
English instruction is included.
So, yellow Enzo will be Tamiya + S27, and red Enzo will be Tamiya + SMS.
Two kits!! What is SMS? im blanking i probably know it but just cant figure it out.
I just wanted to let you guys know that Studio 27's detail kit is out.
English instruction is included.
So, yellow Enzo will be Tamiya + S27, and red Enzo will be Tamiya + SMS.
Two kits!! What is SMS? im blanking i probably know it but just cant figure it out.
magicmanjk808
02-01-2003, 02:12 PM
i believe scalemotorsports
ales
02-01-2003, 02:58 PM
Have you seen the Acu-Stion detail set? This has everything one would ever want! But the price makes me :cry:
Here's the link. The whole page is for the Enzo
http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/acustion/index.html%2018.HTML
Here's the link. The whole page is for the Enzo
http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/acustion/index.html%2018.HTML
magicmanjk808
02-01-2003, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by ales
Have you seen the Acu-Stion detail set? This has everything one would ever want! But the price makes me :cry:
Here's the link. The whole page is for the Enzo
http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/acustion/index.html%2018.HTML
it's beautiful:D
Have you seen the Acu-Stion detail set? This has everything one would ever want! But the price makes me :cry:
Here's the link. The whole page is for the Enzo
http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/acustion/index.html%2018.HTML
it's beautiful:D
fwdfreak
02-01-2003, 03:22 PM
/\ INSANE PRICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
hirofkd
02-01-2003, 03:39 PM
I hate the business model of Acu-Stion, so I only buy their products only when I can't find any alternatives. Their products are way over priced, and their rip-off attitude makes Fujimi look like a friendly company. :)
How come a sheet of brake rotors cost 2980 yen? Complexity of the design is less relevant to the manufacturing cost of a photo etch parts, and it should be something like 800 or 1200 yen at most.
I'm sure SMS will do far better job than AS for 1/2 the price.
How come a sheet of brake rotors cost 2980 yen? Complexity of the design is less relevant to the manufacturing cost of a photo etch parts, and it should be something like 800 or 1200 yen at most.
I'm sure SMS will do far better job than AS for 1/2 the price.
ales
02-01-2003, 03:52 PM
And that says a lot considering that the pricing of SMS items is not exactly the cheapest out there ...
I totally agree on overpricing. I would loe to view small modelling-related companies as companiesfounded and run by enthusiasts, and with profit, while being important, still not being the main consideration.
So I will not be buying AS stuff. Can't afford it. And it makes me quite sad as now I don't feel the Enzo model will look right without them.
Alex
I totally agree on overpricing. I would loe to view small modelling-related companies as companiesfounded and run by enthusiasts, and with profit, while being important, still not being the main consideration.
So I will not be buying AS stuff. Can't afford it. And it makes me quite sad as now I don't feel the Enzo model will look right without them.
Alex
Vyacheslav
02-01-2003, 03:59 PM
Are you going to sand off the peal and cover it with one or two more coats of paint?
hirofkd
02-01-2003, 04:07 PM
The founder, Takenaka runs his own acupuncture clinic, making six figures, driving a black Boxster S. Does he have to make money from his hobby? I really doubt it. On the other hand, S27's Enzo detail kit is pretty good for money, isn't it? Especially the rear mesh screen, because it's really hard to form it out of a mesh sheet (I tried.)
>Vyacheslav
Yes, I will. Usually, I leave the body color as is, and sand and smooth the clear layer, but because of the screw up, I have no choice but to smooth the yellow layer as well. I'll post step by step pictures when I'm done with that stage.
>Vyacheslav
Yes, I will. Usually, I leave the body color as is, and sand and smooth the clear layer, but because of the screw up, I have no choice but to smooth the yellow layer as well. I'll post step by step pictures when I'm done with that stage.
Integra14
02-01-2003, 04:10 PM
looking good.. im loving all these ENZOS!!!! lets see some more progress!
_835_
02-18-2003, 11:31 AM
hiroaki , any improvment ?
i am waiting with impatience to see SMS Work !! as they do a Super Detail Kit version of it, as i heard the CF template set contains over 48 parts :eek:
Cheers
i am waiting with impatience to see SMS Work !! as they do a Super Detail Kit version of it, as i heard the CF template set contains over 48 parts :eek:
Cheers
hirofkd
02-19-2003, 02:17 AM
I can't wait for the SMS detail set either. Mine's gonna be red.
As for my yellow Enzo, it will be tamiya + S27 PE set.
Today, I just got PPG paint I ordered a few days ago, and I'm very happy to have them.
They are Rosso Corsa, Rosso Fiorano Metallic and Giallo Modena.
The leveling speed of this urethane paint is very fast, and it dries quickly too.
I'll cover the tamiya paint with this urethane yellow as a final coat soon, and once it's done, I'll use 2 part urethane clear.
They came in 300 ml vitamin drink bottles. :)
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/436289P2190002.JPG
The photo is poor, but they actually look realistic. One of my 360 kit will be in Rosso Fiorano.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/970488P2190005.JPG
As for my yellow Enzo, it will be tamiya + S27 PE set.
Today, I just got PPG paint I ordered a few days ago, and I'm very happy to have them.
They are Rosso Corsa, Rosso Fiorano Metallic and Giallo Modena.
The leveling speed of this urethane paint is very fast, and it dries quickly too.
I'll cover the tamiya paint with this urethane yellow as a final coat soon, and once it's done, I'll use 2 part urethane clear.
They came in 300 ml vitamin drink bottles. :)
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/436289P2190002.JPG
The photo is poor, but they actually look realistic. One of my 360 kit will be in Rosso Fiorano.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/970488P2190005.JPG
CalsonicR34
02-19-2003, 03:43 AM
Since you will be putting S27 photoetch parts for the enzo i wondering how to put those vents on the glass that covers the engine, and it says you have to remove the plastic.
OPM
02-19-2003, 03:46 AM
they were expensive,right?:D
hirofkd
02-19-2003, 04:16 AM
> CalsonicR34
I think you just paint it black and glue it on the clear part. Cutting clear part is very risky, so I'll just leave it as is, and glue the PE parts.
> OPM
The actual factory touch up paint is expensive (like 4000 yen for a small bottle), but if it's custom mixed using the PPG code, it isn't so expensive.
Problem is that it's kinda hard to find a shop that mix and sell such a small quantity. It was 1000 yen (about $8) for 50 grams, and it's enough for more than ten kits by airbrush.
Considering Modeler's Racing spray of 700 yen, and that covers only 2 - 3 kits, I think it was a bargain.
I should have ordered the orange pearl used on the Lambo and the FF Supra, and sell even smaller quantity to some of AF members.
It was supposed to be a limited time offer, but I'll ask.
I think you just paint it black and glue it on the clear part. Cutting clear part is very risky, so I'll just leave it as is, and glue the PE parts.
> OPM
The actual factory touch up paint is expensive (like 4000 yen for a small bottle), but if it's custom mixed using the PPG code, it isn't so expensive.
Problem is that it's kinda hard to find a shop that mix and sell such a small quantity. It was 1000 yen (about $8) for 50 grams, and it's enough for more than ten kits by airbrush.
Considering Modeler's Racing spray of 700 yen, and that covers only 2 - 3 kits, I think it was a bargain.
I should have ordered the orange pearl used on the Lambo and the FF Supra, and sell even smaller quantity to some of AF members.
It was supposed to be a limited time offer, but I'll ask.
OPM
02-19-2003, 04:31 AM
okay,thats quite cheap:)for such nice colors:)
ssibangse
02-19-2003, 06:30 AM
whoa.. nice recovery.. nice color to boot.. is that the official yellow for the Enzo? looks hot :D :D :D :D
pettercardoso
01-17-2004, 03:47 PM
*bump*
Any updates on this one?! I haven't seen any yellow enzo models up to now. :D
Any updates on this one?! I haven't seen any yellow enzo models up to now. :D
TireGaint
01-18-2004, 05:47 PM
Cant wait to see it done. Awesome. :smile:
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