Beat 98ish 'Stang GT

According to the March issue of Car and Driver the GTO will make the 340hp and 360tq. Will come with a optional six-speed trans, 4-wheel disk brakes, limited slip dif and 18" wheels. The estimated 0-60 times is a hair under 6 sec. I guess that would put it in the low to mid 14s in the 1/4.

well, look at it this way, if the gto starts and holds popularity, they will probably come in different trim levels like a gt/supercharged or whatever. Seems alittle doubtful though. By the way, are all cobras SVT cobras or is there a difference. Cause the 01' SVT has mad power, but im not sure if that is the same with all cobras or if the SVT is given more power.

All Cobras are modified by SVT

it's still pretty funny though how the camaro ss is faster for less $, and looks alot more conservative

Originally posted by pontiactrac
it's still pretty funny though how the camaro ss is faster for less $, and looks alot more conservative




Just curious how you get that the Camaro SS has more power for less money. What are you basing that on?

I'm not sure what that was based on either. That would also depend on the year Cobra you're referring to. I'm pretty sure I'd get romped on by an '03, yet have not had the chance to race one, much less see one on the road, just at dealerships. While I think my SS had better styling than the Cobra, my opinion is just that, my opinion. The price of an 02 SS turns out to be very comparable to an 03 Cobra, though both saw dealers mark them up for no reason other than to make more money.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
According to the March issue of Car and Driver the GTO will make the 340hp and 360tq. Will come with a optional six-speed trans, 4-wheel disk brakes, limited slip dif and 18" wheels. The estimated 0-60 times is a hair under 6 sec. I guess that would put it in the low to mid 14s in the 1/4.


how heavy is this car, to make 340hp run mid 14s?

Originally posted by pontiactrac
it's still pretty funny though how the camaro ss is faster for less $, and looks alot more conservative

Yea...For every year except the 03 Cobra, the SS/Ws6 has been more expensive.

Originally posted by kidrocket



how heavy is this car, to make 340hp run mid 14s?



Not sure, my guess its around 3800lbs. Im basing the 1/4 time on its 0-60 time. Most cars in that range of 0-60 sec run a mid to low 14. But, its really just speculation untill its actually tested.

I don't have any specific source, i just have heard it from time to time that the camaros have been a bit cheaper than the cobras. I don't own either car so i don't know as much about them as you guys do. Maybe you are right and that only goes for the '03 comparison. One site i guess is this...

http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1999/7/comparison_test_13_quickest_cars/index7.phtml

but then again that is only 03.

At least there is an 03 Mustang, more than can be said for the F-bodies:mad:

That article is comparing the 99 cobra to the other 1999 cars. Basically the SS and cobra where very close in price, which was price as tested with varying options, and the SS was .09 tenths faster. The Camaro has a 5.7L compared to the 99 cobras 4.6, so the SS has the torque advantage. Of course all changed in 2003.
Interesting link.

what is the difference between an IROC camaro and Z28? I think the IROC was discontinued and the Z28 took its place but than again i heard of and IROC-Z28 which confuses me.:huh:

IROC was a particular appearance package that was used on third generation camaros. It was an option, just like any other options on the car. There were still Z28's then, this was just another option on the list. Now, it's true that certain years did not offer a Z28, but it never lasted a decade///

yea one of my neighbors has a black IROC camaro, it's the nicest camaro id ever seen. not sure if it's because it's an IROC or that he has the thing shining so nice. Camaro rims are my favorite out of any car, i wish i could have them on mine.

I thought Dodge won the IROC title in some race against Chevy. The following year Dodge came out with IROC Daytona. I think that was in 1993 or 94. I am not sure if thats right. Thats why some years there was not an IROC Camaro. Has anyone else ever heard that, or did I just make up a neat little story. :licker:

There may be some truth to that, one way or another, but I don't think either nameplate had exclusive rights to having IROC on their vehicles. After having their cars win in the IROC races, each I believe just decided that it might sell a few more cars with the words "IROC" on their doors.

Originally posted by StangMan
I thought Dodge won the IROC title in some race against Chevy. The following year Dodge came out with IROC Daytona. I think that was in 1993 or 94. I am not sure if thats right. Thats why some years there was not an IROC Camaro. Has anyone else ever heard that, or did I just make up a neat little story. :licker:

Hmmm, that's interesting. Never heard that before, but might explain some things. I'll see if I can find out shortly:)

If the camaro and firebird are the same in almost every way, how come i sometimes hear that the firebird is a hair quicker, or am i wrong. Somebody please clear this up.

Probably because you may associate yourself with Pontiac guys more that Chevy guys...

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS
Probably because you may associate yourself with Pontiac guys more that Chevy guys...

Alright, um, i guess that is the reason i like the camaro better than the firebird right? Did you not read my earlier posts? I am a Chevy and pontiac fan. I only braught that up because i have read it previously, i don't pull info out of my butt.

Take a chill pill, cool guy. Is it so hard to believe that a Pontiac owner is gonna like their WS6 better than a Z28, and therefore think that it's a couple hundredths faster??? Everyone is going to say that their car is a little faster stock for stock versus a close competitor. No need to get huffy about it...

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS
Take a chill pill, cool guy. Is it so hard to believe that a Pontiac owner is gonna like their WS6 better than a Z28, and therefore think that it's a couple hundredths faster??? Everyone is going to say that their car is a little faster stock for stock versus a close competitor. No need to get huffy about it...

I don't understand what all the "chill out" is all about. Im chillin like a villan. sorry if you were offended but i am a reader. What i read, i remember, what i remember i want to know more about which is why i asked the question in the first place. I know not everything on the internet isn't always completely true which is why i am asking guys like you who know alot about them to help clear some questions up. That's all. Maybe you don't believe that a pontiac owner would like a Z28 better than a WS6. But i have a Grand Prix not a firebird. The only years trans am i like better is 89 (which i think was first year of fuel injection)< and a Firehawk. other than that im all camaro.

I like your taste, in that I'd like the style of the Formula hawks alot too. I'm not so much a TA Hawk fan, because I don't think the wing goes as well with the lines of the car. That said, the fact that you had to try and spell things out for me means that you took some of what was said to heart. My bad for not going back over the several pages to remember what you had posted before. I'll remember to do that everytime I get an email to this thread:rolleyes: .

Anyway, do you see where I'm coming from yet? The owners of a certain car tend to be more loyal to that car, and hence their embellish some of it's traits? Why would GM make one car slightly more powerful than the other, there's no monetary basis for something like that. Yes, there are freakishly powerful LT1/LS1's from the factory, but there's no control over which car that is going to.

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS
I like your taste, in that I'd like the style of the Formula hawks alot too. I'm not so much a TA Hawk fan, because I don't think the wing goes as well with the lines of the car. That said, the fact that you had to try and spell things out for me means that you took some of what was said to heart. My bad for not going back over the several pages to remember what you had posted before. I'll remember to do that everytime I get an email to this thread:rolleyes: .

Anyway, do you see where I'm coming from yet? The owners of a certain car tend to be more loyal to that car, and hence their embellish some of it's traits? Why would GM make one car slightly more powerful than the other, there's no monetary basis for something like that. Yes, there are freakishly powerful LT1/LS1's from the factory, but there's no control over which car that is going to.

It's all good, were all car lovers and fanatics here. I know exactly what you mean about why would GM wouldn't make one clone faster than another. I guess there are alot of biast webpages out there that feel obligated to make one company look better, maybe i was looking at them or something. I'll steer clear of them next time and look at more broader references to get more than only a few people's personal opinions.

Actually the Trans Ams DO outrun the Z28s by a tenth or two. Remember that stock LS1 Fbody that hit a 12.9?? DEFINITELY a firebird. No one really knows why though. Some people try and point it out as areodynamics but I don't think that's it. I saw a special on the 4th Gen Fbodys a month or so ago and they called it the "Two-Tenth TA Mystery". So yea, they generally DO run a tenth or two quicker stock for stock. Seen it myself, too many times to count. I'm selling both of my Z28s this summer and getting either a 2000+ TA Ws6, or a 97 - 99 C5. I LOVE Ws6s!!! Like the look WAAAAAY better than that of the Z28 or SS personally:)

I'm still not convinced though, maybe Pontiac drivers are just better drivers :hehehe:

I just find it hard that with so much at work that Pontiac's LS1's are somehow stronger than Chevrolet's:confused:

No no no, I don't think it's the engine at all. I think it DOES have something to do with the body of the car. Maybe the aerodynamics?? Although I'm not sure if that's it. I'm pretty positive it's not the engine though. Those are all the same:)

Time for me to go get a Formula Firehawk then :D

Gonna miss my SS's curves :hehehe:

I just saw a show on SLP SS's and Firehawks, damn, they are almost as expensive as corvettes. I like that they are made to be so efficient

They're not nearly as expensive at the Corvettes. Corvettes start around $40K for a crappy one. A fully equipped SS would go for $33K -$35K. Now, dealer markup could definately put it closer to a Corvette, they'd just never get it sold. Firehawks did generally run more expensive than an SS, that was just something that occurred due to them being more rare, I suppose. Last year you could get an SS with 345 hp, or a Corvette with 345 hp. Which would you choose when the Corvette costs more? Z06's have always cost considerably more. I haven't seen one of those for less than about $52K, so those were never impeded on by the F-bodies.

The thing that is going to make the F-body difficult to bring back is going to be what GM will do with the Corvette. If GM makes the F-bodies come back to compete with the new Cobras (which is what they'll have to do to make them competitive in the marketplace), they'll have to give the Corvettes somewhere in the neighborhood of 475-500 hp for the Z06 models, while the base models will still need to be around 425 hp themselves. It'll be interesting to see what GM does if/when they decide to bring back the F-body.

That's a good observation. I wonder if they will be able to push the vette to those amounts of power. Or maybe GM will just have to consider giving it a similar engine. Another possibility is making the corvette weigh less to increase it's speed. After all it is a two seater. But then again making it weigh less is easier said than done.

Hmmm Mystery of the IROC....

I believe the 86-89 Camaro's carried the Name of IROC

During those years, I believe the 88-89 Years you could get a IROC-Z Camaro.

In 1990, Dodge won the sponsorship of IROC and thats why the Daytona's got the name.


I personally love the IROC body styles. I plan on getting one myself. :D

Originally posted by RedNeck383
Hmmm Mystery of the IROC....

I believe the 86-89 Camaro's carried the Name of IROC

During those years, I believe the 88-89 Years you could get a IROC-Z Camaro.

In 1990, Dodge won the sponsorship of IROC and thats why the Daytona's got the name.


I personally love the IROC body styles. I plan on getting one myself. :D

Same here modern muscle

I am so confident that the F-bodies will come back though, reguardless about the troubles GM may encounter. I just pray that when it does that they don't put one of those god awful turbos in it. I loved the fact that the F-body had power that came from the heart of the engine, and not a turbo.

Originally posted by RedNeck383
Hmmm Mystery of the IROC....

I believe the 86-89 Camaro's carried the Name of IROC

During those years, I believe the 88-89 Years you could get a IROC-Z Camaro.

In 1990, Dodge won the sponsorship of IROC and thats why the Daytona's got the name.


You win the prize...I don't really have a prize, but you are right. Dodge held the Daytona as the offical car of IROC untill 1993, then in 94 Dodge pushed and got the Avenger named the offical car of IROC, in 1996 it switched to the Trans Am, I'm not really sure how they decide the offical car, that would be interesting to know. Find that out, and then I'll be impressed.

Originally posted by pontiactrac
I am so confident that the F-bodies will come back though, reguardless about the troubles GM may encounter. I just pray that when it does that they don't put one of those god awful turbos in it. I loved the fact that the F-body had power that came from the heart of the engine, and not a turbo.

One of the fastest F-Bodies made came with a turbo from the factory. But I am sure you knew that. ;)

I'd take one of those TTA's in a heartbeat, those would be worth some coin in good condition. And say what you want about turbos, stock or not. I plan on getting a set on mine when I get the money to do so. If I can find an Icon TT setup that's not thrashed, and I can build my LS1 to be a daily-driven TT SS, I think you'd be whistling a different tune. Saw a guy at SLP Customer Appreciation day in Ennis run an 11.95 @ 118 with his SS. He could probably do better, except that he is still breaking the new setup in...

I can't wait to get out of college.:D

Originally posted by inferno


One of the fastest F-Bodies made came with a turbo from the factory. But I am sure you knew that. ;)

Yea, and if you are refering to the same model i think you are, it also self-destructed internally over a period of time which is why they didn't use it anymore. And im glad to see that you are looking through my profile and history. Don't worry, im really not a bad guy, sorry we couldn't agree on that last one.

I believe that making sure that the vette was at the top of the pecking order has a lot more to do with the disappearance of the TTA than the reliability of the motor. Also, I am not looking through your profile or history. I don't know where you got that idea.

Inferno's got it, GM couldn't have a V6, turbo or not, beating it's V8 Corvettes down the track. How would that look???:D The TTA's used the same engine that was in the Grand National. They're damn strong engines, I've never heard of them having serious problems.

great job bro! I hate those 'fing white trash ferrari's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am happy to see you held your own and whooped that ass

well i know for a fact, that there were two years in particular that the f-bodies used turbos, and the cars turned out horrible, only brought the hp to 210, and the breakdown that i said before, if you don't believe me i could give a link.

I would like to see that link...:)

Is this a Honda forum or a Chevy forum?:confused:

It's whatever the thread turns out to be :rolleyes:

There is no "street/track racing stories" forum in Chevrolet, Pontiac, or Ford...

Okay so you guys hang out in here. That's kool. Simple question. Don't need to get your panties in a bunch. I just figured, with the amount of Chevy and Ford people in in here you guys might be able to pick up the pace in your forums. Dang

i can't believe this thread is still alive...:D ooo...all u ford/chevy fans ur welcome to our humble abode...im surprised they haved added a "street encounters" to ur section tho...i'd like to read more about american vs american races.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS
I would like to see that link...:) [/QUOTE

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/pontiac-firebird/pontiac-firebird-history-2.shtml

1980 and 1981 are two years, not sure if only ones though. And in reference to the Grand National, i agree, i love those cars. They made it perfectly compatible with a great turbo.

Thanks, I hadn't ever heard of 80-81 birds having those problems before...:D

...and if they do have street/track racing forums in our respective makes, I'm so tuned into just coming down here that I wouldn't use them anyway :) ...

That is a Firebird....of course I was refering to the Turbo Trans Ams which, like mentioned before, had a Grand National motor in it.

Originally posted by B16EJ1
Okay so you guys hang out in here. That's kool. Simple question. Don't need to get your panties in a bunch. I just figured, with the amount of Chevy and Ford people in in here you guys might be able to pick up the pace in your forums. Dang

And plus some of us have been around longer than most if not all of you:) Well, actually not some of us, just me:D

Originally posted by Self


And plus some of us have been around longer than most if not all of you:) Well, actually not some of us, just me:D

Not longer than me ;)

self is an OG from way back in the day.

i was here a long time ago too, but i had a mysterious absence for a loing period of time;)

Originally posted by kidrocket
self is an OG from way back in the day.

i was here a long time ago too, but i had a mysterious absence for a loing period of time;)

"Mysterious" you say??;)

we dont really need to bring that up.

Originally posted by Self


And plus some of us have been around longer than most if not all of you:) Well, actually not some of us, just me:D

Here as in AF or the Honda forum? If you mean Honda forum then my question is still why? You don't drive Honda's. Since you guys are moderators why not work on getting a Street Racing forums in the Chevy and Ford forums? But hey like I said it's kool.:D :D :D

Originally posted by B16EJ1


Here as in AF or the Honda forum? If you mean Honda forum then my question is still why? You don't drive Honda's. Since you guys are moderators why not work on getting a Street Racing forums in the Chevy and Ford forums? But hey like I said it's kool.:D :D :D

In the Honda forum. I was a member back when this forum had its own website, purehonda.com. I only came to AF because purehonda merged with AF and everyone from ph had to switch over to af. Just because I liked the forum, the people, and the discussions. And who's to say I never drove a honda??;) There is actually an AF Racing forum, that's the forum that I moderate actually:) Check it out sometime.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f718/

yeah those were the days ehh?

Your talking about the Turbo Trans Am in 1989...It was very cool. It was only made as limited production...Because of a few reasons, allot did have to due with the fact that they could spank the V8 Trans Am and Camaro, and with proper tuning and a little mods a Corvette. They were pretty sweet cars. They were the offical pace car for that year, that is what Pontiac claims they were built for.

And they did not have major problems, they were pretty good cars as long as they were treated right. They are actually soppose to be faster than a Gran National, even though they share the same motor, the Trans Am had some little differences. I think body weight played a role too. You can find them in good shape for sale around $15K.