VVTi-L VS VTEC

HEY FOR all yall honda lovers out there,
wuts the stronger and relable engine,
The 2002 Celica GT-S's VVTi-L engine or the 2000 Honda Civic Si's DOHC VTEC engine? Which is Stronger? the VVTi-L or the DOHC VETC?
PLZ i need this info bcuz, my cuz and bro has been arguin bout it.

i thought it was vvtli

i am thinking hte gts is stronger

From what I understand the power band from celica is very narrow,and they drop right out during a race,unless you are a really good driver.

Originally posted by jcrx
From what I understand the power band from celica is very narrow,and they drop right out during a race,unless you are a really good driver.

i think the celica right out of the box (no mod's) vs. any vtec (no mod's) .. is a better auto x'r not that it awensers ur ??, but someting more to debate with

the 2000 celica gts will smoke the shit out of the b16

I have driven both the Celica GTS and I own the 00 Civic Si. The VVTi-L engine has 180hp and is a 1.8L and the B16A has 160hp @ 1.6L. The ECU and tranny for the VVTi-L do not work harmoniously together. When entering the "upper rpm" band and then shift at redline you fall right out of the "sweet spot". Shifting in the B16A at redline you stay within the VTEC.

The 6 speed has shorter gear ratios than the 5 speed of the Civic Si. So the GTS you would have to shift more which would equal more wasted time.

Overall both cars with the same driver will yield almost identical results. 0-60 are within .1-.2 seconds and 1/4 mile times are almost the same. It would all come down to the driver.

Originally posted by liquid8
the 2000 celica gts will smoke the shit out of the b16 I doubt smoke that shit out of is the right term.With a good driver it may beat it but hardly smoke the shit out of it.Besides they're ugly as sin.

ok if i'm not mistaken the 2000 celica gts runs 14.8. and the 2002 runs 15.5 or something like that because the rev limiter is lower. i am pretty sure but i could be mistaken that the 2000 celica ran that time. and i thought the civic si ran 15.6.

ok my bad. he said the 2002 anyways. sorry

he was talking about the engine, not the whole car, or at least that what he said. he wanted to know which engine is stronger not which car is stronger

so the gts engine is stronger

Originally posted by jcrx
they're ugly as sin.

ditto

I dunno ive got a b16 p&p and other goodies
and
I kept up witha corvette z06 (405 hp)
all i can say is..
that guy must have been a really shitty driver

driver is 90% of everything

i love honda, but the b16 isn't the greatest motor but to compare motors, ur putting the top of the line motor (still in production, n/a) for toyota vs the middle of the road for honda. put it against a b18c5, an no contest, the b18c5 is a better motor by far. but vs the b16, i give the edge to the gt-s, simply because of newer technology, an better torque.

Very close, definately come down to the driver. But with clone drivers, I say the Celica will edge it out, because of the bit of extra power and little bit lighter it is.

jus raced a celica tonite, an the vvti doesn't pull any harder than the VTEC. it may be new, but i was suprised, i thought it was supposed to be quite an improvement. but i still stand by the motor being better than a b16. there isn't any way around that...imo

that guy must have been a really shitty driver
ide say so, even with a b16 with some work your still runnin an lx and runnin on 17's