Smoking Bans....

So In Corvallis OR there is a smoking ban that prohibits smoking within 30 feet from any buildings and no smoking in any business. I think its great. Being a non smoker I really enjoy it. Do you think it takes away peoples rights? Let me know...

It doesn't take way peoples rights. But it gives people the right to breath good air.

Im totally with you!!!

Cool.

I actually am a smoker. :) I gave up for 6 months but decided to start again because I like it. :D

I totally agree, I hate cigarettes and people who smoke in my school really stink. :mad: I think that we shold should eventually get rid of it completely, even though it does bring in big tax dollars.

We passed the same ban here in Eugene, but it was overturned a week later. It's hard to say if it takes away people's rights. Personally, I see smoking (like driving) as a priveledge. It's not a right, so there really is no right to take away. However, many people think that smoking is a right of nature...we are all allowed to do whatever we want to our body, as long as it doesn't affect those around us.

I like the ban, I don't like cigarettes

I used to smoke, but I haven't for a long time now. I thing people deserve to. They can say the same thing about SUV's and Chocolate. They eat gas and give people heart attacks. If you don't like it, don't go there or sit in the non smoking section. The owner of the business deserves to do what he wants with his place of business. It's shit like this that will allow the government to get in every aspect o my life.

The point is that you eating chocolate won't kill me. And, if I can't sit somewhere I would like to, I am being stripped of my liberty. After all, it's their bad habit...I shouldn't have to compensate for them.

Chocolate will kill you over time (heart attacks). People die of them every year from living of Jack in the Box. What I am trying to stress is that even though you want to sit there, it is owned by another person who deserves to do whatever he wants with his business. I have never heard of such a thing that the customer can take away the managers rights because he doesn't want to be in HIS store. They tried that here in Texas and it got about a one percent vote. It will never pass down here thank god.

No...chocolate may kill you over time...But, comparing the ill effects of chocolate to the deadly toxins in cigarettes is somewhat silly.

As for private establishments, I agree...the owner should have a right to allow smoking. If they don't want to allow non-smokers (taking out a huge portion of their possible market) they can choose to not have a completely smoke-free section. However, the ban is a wonderful things in terms of public places (where it's often banned anyway). I like the ban. I don't see any need for cigarettes anyhow, so I think most of the opposing argument is in defense of their sweet, sweet, nicotine.

[Edited by enzo@af on 03-03-2001 at 05:38 PM]

You say that us non-smokers should sit in the designated sections? At some Mcdonald's there smoking section is below the non-smokers, it is just as bad and stupidily designed.

This is all I gotta say http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon14.gif

That's not my fault they built it wrong, and it is still should be the owners problem, not the governments. Luckily the rest of the world doesn't think like this and ban it everywhere. The point is not that you don't like it, therefore it should be banned forever. It is that it is a delicacy for some, and if they want to enjoy it, they can. You don't need you SUV's, 200mph cars and your guns. They put people's lives in danger. But they are fun to have, and fun (for me!!) to use. When I smoked, I loved it. I still miss it as a stress reliever. They keep stripping away our rights, and pretty soon, you won't be able to do anything. It's like the cops pulling you over. There are so many laws that they can bust you for almost anything just to check your car for drugs. I am tired of this shit and am moving to Holland as soon as possible.

Originally posted by DaFoo
The point is not that you don't like it, therefore it should be banned forever. It is that it is a delicacy for some, and if they want to enjoy it, they can

But, often by others enjoying their cancer sticks, I have to enjoy it as well. Sure, I don't have to walk behind them...I could cross the street, or eat at another table, or whatever...but again, I am now having to accomodate them.

in canada there is a smoking ban, but it's just that you can't smoke inside any building, you can walk right outside the door and smoke, but that sucks in the winter

i'm glad for this ban, i smoked for like 8 years and finally decided to stop like 3 weeks ago. yeaaaaaaayyyy...i'm gonna be healthy again and not as broke:sun:

Im really impressed... good job

thanks, you know there was only pros to quit smoking. i have more money throughout the week, my clothes don't smells, my car doesn't smell, i will maybe get myself back into shape. for everyone that want to try smoking, don't do it--it will really hit you hard in the ass when you wanna stop

Originally posted by enzo@af


But, often by others enjoying their cancer sticks, I have to enjoy it as well. Sure, I don't have to walk behind them...I could cross the street, or eat at another table, or whatever...but again, I am now having to accomodate them.

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The point is that you eating chocolate won't kill me. And, if I can't sit somewhere I would like to, I am being stripped of my liberty. After all, it's their bad habit...I shouldn't have to compensate for them. [QOUTE]


The point here is that the government shouldn't need to get involved. If you don't like the fact someone is smoking near you, either move or ask them nicely to put it out. You might be surprised that dealing with your fellow man and your own problems is both more effective and more rewarding than having laws passed to "protect your rights". Honestly, this whole discussion is starting to smack of liberal and PC "it's not my responsibility" sort of thought. That all things either unhealthy or emotionally trying should be made illegal, or at least terribly taboo. You don't like smoking? So what. I don't like people who try to not only tell others what to do, but also move to have their opinions made law.

Here's the bottom line: LAWS TRADE FREEDOM FOR SAFETY. In our system of government, it's really that simple. They aren't there to enforce or institutionalize any sort of morality or judgement of one's actions, they are simply there to provide the greatest amount of freedom possible for a modicum of safety within the populace. Which is why government and lawbooks should remain as small as possible; to limit their amount of invasiveness in our lives. So are you honestly going to tell me that smoking within 30 feet of a given building is a large enough invasion of others' safety to require a damn law? I for one think that's ridiculous. Get to know your friends and neighbors, allow them the courtesy of acting responsibly without having to be told what to do by the government. Help them when needed, and allow them to help you once in a while. I swear, if we would just all loosen up and get to know one another a little this whole world would be a better place, and bullshit laws like front license plates, smoking within 30 feet of buildings and noise violations in the middle of the day wouldn't be an issue at all. Maybe what we really need is less law and more personal accountability, maybe all these laws are why people no longer feel personally responsible for their actions.

Originally posted by texan

The point here is that the government shouldn't need to get involved. If you don't like the fact someone is smoking near you, either move or ask them nicely to put it out. ......."it's not my responsibility" sort of thought. You don't like smoking? So what. I don't like people who try to not only tell others what to do, but also move to have their opinions made law.
You're right....the government shouldn't have to interfere...My pursuit of happiness shouldn't be compromised. Nonetheless, there are people out there whose deadly habit does limit my pursuit of happiness.

I don't like people smoking near me, yet I shouldn't have to ask them to move, or move myself. Now I am having to do extra work because of their habit.

And no, their courtesy is not my responsibility.

Enzo, I fully understand what you and others here are saying, and I do sympathize with it. But again, turning to legislation to keep other's unwanted habits away from you is overkill and dangerous. What are you going to do next, legislate out a person's loud or obnoxious voice? Or maybe they have bad breath or body odor you just can't stand. Or more truely, perhaps they carry tuberculosis, leprosy, yellow fever, or any other communicable disease. The point here is that you're all on a very slippery slope with this attitude, and climbing it without falling and taking everyone with you is double tough.

And while we're on this subject, think about why this law was passed. Was it to prevent people from smoking or to prevent it from bothering others? In a downtown area, chances are it will be hard to ever smoke without breaking the law. But conversely, in a park or recreation area this law will have zero effect on the problem you are talking about. People will still be free to walk around and smoke, puffing that o-so-harmful white stuff into the air that kills people by the hundreds of thousands (yeah right). If you want to prevent people from smoking altogether, vote to make it truely illegal becuase this law will have no real effect on consumption (of course history tells us creating an illegal market will most certainly not do this either). Then again, there's no way the government would allow that to happen anytime soon, as their extortion of cigarette sale money would then be cut off. Basically I'm just trying to point out the futility of creating laws to fix social problems, and suggest alternate courses of action that are both more effective and less intrusive to the populace and it's freedoms. But I figure on this one, we'll just have to agree to disagree, because it seems like nobody understands how useless legislation is when addressing social issues. Peace.

i am trying to quit smoking stoges, but it's hard. oh well i guess ill just have to stick through it:smoker:

Hey i smoke and i have no problem with business and stores not wanting you to smoke in them, what i do have a problem with is when prople stare at you (especially religious people) and just shake thier heads at you. Hey if i want to kill myself and pay 3 bucks a pack doing it then dammit let me do it in peace!
Peace....
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LOL, hey, I will make you a deal. You pay me a years worth of smokes, and I will kill you for you. :badass:

Just kidding

Again, the difference between BO or bad breath and smoking is that smoking affects my health. The difference between a communicable disease and smoking is that one was a choice to aquire, not bad luck. And, we have laws preventing people with communicable diseases from being in certain areas (i.e. food service, or donating blood). This is, like the smoking ban, for the benefit of the healthy. However, someone else having HIV doesn't downright completely annoy the hell out of me. I can walk behind them, hang out with them, ride in a car with them.............

However, the smoking ban still won't cover all that's wrong with everything. I agree...I'll still have to smell pollution in urban areas, and in parks I'll still smell the disgusting, foul stench of stupidity. But, it's a step in the right direction.

However, the root of the problem is deeper. It's smoking in general. I, personally, don't understand the point of smoking. I don't know why it came about and I don't know what makes anyone start, but I know that as soon as we ban it, it will be a huge deal. Smokers are adamant little buggers-- I don't believe how many people argue with me about putting their cigarette out while I'm at work (Gas station...yeah, open flames around large amounts of gas, but putting out the cigarette is such a big hassle). Really, there isn't a solution, but protecting those that haven't made the bad decision to start smoking seems a great idea....considering smoking isn't a right, it's a priveledge.

hey now i gotta defend the smokers here, i smoke and i can guarantee you i dont smell and my breath is quite fresh. and if i ever hear someone tell me smoking is a childhood disorder or that they compare smokers to people with illness then i will promptly put my cigarette out on theyre eyeball. this shit of "eww smoke stinks" tough shit, if you dont like it then breathe some other goddamn air, and dont blame pollution on smoking, blame it on your cars, factories, and all the other bad shit in this world. dont be a puss, suck it up your going to die one day anyway. and if it makes all you non-smokers happy, just think ill die ten years before you. so when im six feet under you can all laugh at me and say "i told you do" until then quite your bitchin and find somthing else to blame your bad health on.
Peace....
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muhahahahah :eshooter: :greenchai

Never smoked,never will...i see the end results in hospital from the ones that do.
I have not got a problem with smokers,if they want to, its up to them and it's there life.
I do get pissed of with the ones who dont give a toss about smokeing around others who dont.
When you ask them to put it out or leave they get all bitter and upset about it.

*cough* *cough* hack, hack, wheeeze :( Thats what happened when I tried to smoke, so I didnt continue :)

I was coughing and wheezing earlier, my fucking ash tray caught fire while I was in the shower. I come out and my room is full of smoke. Damn.

Whenever I see someone puffing away, I think of those TV specials that show some poor slob in a hospital bed with tubes down their throat and I.Vs in their arms. I laugh my ass off at those stupid inbred morons. Ok, I don’t know if they are inbred or not, but it would explain the idiocy. The more misery they suffer, the better.

Screw the smoking ban. Its more fun to ridicule the idiots when their rotting away on their deathbed. http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/contrib/anym/behead.gif

Hey man if you dont like smokers than just say that, you dont have to be a cock about it and wish us all slow painful deaths. Its stupid assholes like you that make otheres think that smokers are bad. Its simply a life style and there os no reason to bash smokers. We are human just like you, but i tend to think im better than you, because i dont wish ill things upon anyone. And for that i tend to think im better than pussies who wish death upon others.
Peace...
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Yes, I agree that you were out of line. I don't think smokers are bad people at all. My step mother is one, consequently. I wish she would stop, and she has tried a few times with no success.

I wouldn't call smoking a "lifestyle", more of a habit. However, considering the effect and the hold it has on people....maybe lifestyle is more appropriate.

But the issue isn't about the morals of smokers, or their intelligence, or the arrogance of non-smokers...or any made up characteristic of either group. It's about the fact that smoking is a unique trouble that affects non-smokers as well as smokers. It is my view that I shouldn't have to be subjected to smoke if, especially when it is a frivilous habit, not a necessity in the least.

omg, could YogsVR4 be any more ignorant?

anyway, who cares if somebody smokes it's their choice

i don't mind having a nice relaxing cancer stick once in a while, or a few times a day :smoka: :smoker:

Ahh finally someone who knows what they are talking about, gang$tarr is right in every way, you know whats up.
Peace.....:devil:

bah, just to insert my opinion, caffeine is much better than nicotine. much more up...

of course i'm talking about large quantities here.:frog: