'99 Cavalier vs Ricer..(kinda long)
dbartoschek
12-14-2002, 05:47 PM
OK.....so me and my buddy are crusin' back from the bar in my bone-stock '99 Cavalier. We pull up to some riced out 2-door civic coupe at a red light...i look over at his car and he looks back....he throws some revs....i throw some back....Light turns green and we're off. We both got good starts and i was about half a car ahead up to 50km/h....then i started pulling on him more once i hit 60km/h.....kept pulling until 80km/h, and then he started pulling me in, and passed me....we shut down at about 110km/h...since the speed limit on this road was 50km/h, but by this point he had close to 2 car lengths on me? What the hell could have happened? How are Civics compared to cavaliers? i always thought they were pretty even...i'm assuming all he had done was an exhaust........anyways...i pull beside him once we're slowed down, doing about 70km/h and give him the thumbs up and he just laughs.....then the next set of lights i put down my window to ask if he's done any work on his car..and he was like." How many car lengths do you want me to beat you by this time?" in a cocky ass voice....HATE THAT SHIT!!!!....i got a shitty start (wheel spin) so he smoked me.....then the next lights he's like..."oooooh, i'll give you a chance this time, and give you a head start!".....didn't race anymore after that though....I HATE COCKY ASS RICERS.
DeViL
12-15-2002, 12:18 AM
More like he played you. Doesn't seem like a ricer to me you just lost.
93EagleVisionTSi
12-15-2002, 03:16 AM
Sounds like you need to do some stuff to your Cavvy to prevent that kind of thing from happening in the future.
I would reduce the weight to start with...then go with an aspracing.com crankshaft pulley. I'm not sure if they make one for your Cav, but if you ask they probably can. At any rate, I would try that mod first...a lightweight crankshaft pulley...no matter who be makin' it.
About the weight issue...I would check this one out if I were you.
http://www.mustangworld.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22230
Please don't strip your Cav like that though. Moderation is okay. Just remember that it's GM and it deserves better.
I would reduce the weight to start with...then go with an aspracing.com crankshaft pulley. I'm not sure if they make one for your Cav, but if you ask they probably can. At any rate, I would try that mod first...a lightweight crankshaft pulley...no matter who be makin' it.
About the weight issue...I would check this one out if I were you.
http://www.mustangworld.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22230
Please don't strip your Cav like that though. Moderation is okay. Just remember that it's GM and it deserves better.
SilverLotus340R
12-15-2002, 11:25 AM
he didnt have a freaking no2 bottle did he
cuz then id laugh...cuz thats just dumb
obviosuly he must not have done anything else to the engine....
another All Show no Go
cuz then id laugh...cuz thats just dumb
obviosuly he must not have done anything else to the engine....
another All Show no Go
Cbass
12-15-2002, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by 93EagleVisionTSi
Sounds like you need to do some stuff to your Cavvy to prevent that kind of thing from happening in the future.
I would reduce the weight to start with...then go with an aspracing.com crankshaft pulley. I'm not sure if they make one for your Cav, but if you ask they probably can. At any rate, I would try that mod first...a lightweight crankshaft pulley...no matter who be makin' it.
I'll point out, do all the bolt ons like cold air intakes, underdrive pulleys, spark plugs and air filters, you're not really making a difference. An engine works by pulling the most air possible through it. Then you have a fueling system that adds an appropriate level of fuel, to match that air.
There are two ways to get more power out of an engine, either give it more fuel/air, or make the existing combustion more efficient. Now something I hear a lot is "the type R engine is so efficient! It makes more than 100bhp/liter!". This is true, it is efficient, and it does make that specific output. No one seems to understand what makes it efficient, it's just "honda magic".
The B18C5 type R engine has 12:1 compression. Same static compression as a Hemi. HP is a calculation of RPM and torque. Want more HP? Move your torque band to higher RPMs and you'll get more horsepower. However, you'll sacrifice low end power, as in, that stuff you need at a stop light. Honda compensates for this with VTEC, which allows for more cam duration and less lift at lower RPMs. It is also a very oversquare engine, meaning the bore is much wider than the stroke is long, giving it better high rpm performance, but less low end torque.
This is about as efficient as you can make an engine, and still have it streetable(any power below 6000rpm, and running on pump gas). Therefore, the goal becomes getting more air in and out of that engine. This can be accomplished with better exhaust, which is the most common way. This leaves the cylinderhead as the bottleneck in the flow, as it probably was in the first place. Solution? Open up the ports, clean up any casting flash, and port match the manifolds to the head. This will drastically improve the flow of the engine, meaning? More fuel/air, more power.
Some factory intake manifolds are quite restrictive, such as any stock manifold from a 70s American V8. This would be the next bottleneck in the flow, and would need to be replaced, or at least ported as well. Porting a manifold can be much harder, as there is less room to work, and you can't really get into hard to reach places. It's usually a better idea just to replace it. Now you can make you decision of whether you want high RPM performance, or low end grunt. Long intake manifold runners will increase low end performance, at the expense of high end power, and vice versa.
Now that that is sorted out, you have an engine that breathes much better. Now you can add all those little bolt ons, and they might actually do some good. The right air intake tube can give you a small degree of play in your powerband, but not much. The main jump in efficiency comes from compression, and timing. The more you compress the fuel/air mixture, the harder it will push the piston down on the power stroke. Now you can select a cam which will suit the way you have built the engine. I'm not going to get into cam timing, because I'm not quite well versed enough in that to recommend the perfect cam for any given setup.
That's the low down, so you can spend all the money you want on bolt ons, and proudly list them in your sig, but they're not doing much, not nearly as much as they would if everything else was sorted out in your engine. Try to increase the airflow before increasing the efficiency, because,
1) That's the only way to get any considerable power increases.
2) You'll have to retune EVERYTHING to match the end result of the engine build, if you want it to be efficient at all.
This is assuming of course, that you really want a powerful engine, and you're not just a ricer who wants to flash his K&N air filter, and yellow spark plug wires. Thank you for reading this rant, I hope this educates some of the people on this board.
Sounds like you need to do some stuff to your Cavvy to prevent that kind of thing from happening in the future.
I would reduce the weight to start with...then go with an aspracing.com crankshaft pulley. I'm not sure if they make one for your Cav, but if you ask they probably can. At any rate, I would try that mod first...a lightweight crankshaft pulley...no matter who be makin' it.
I'll point out, do all the bolt ons like cold air intakes, underdrive pulleys, spark plugs and air filters, you're not really making a difference. An engine works by pulling the most air possible through it. Then you have a fueling system that adds an appropriate level of fuel, to match that air.
There are two ways to get more power out of an engine, either give it more fuel/air, or make the existing combustion more efficient. Now something I hear a lot is "the type R engine is so efficient! It makes more than 100bhp/liter!". This is true, it is efficient, and it does make that specific output. No one seems to understand what makes it efficient, it's just "honda magic".
The B18C5 type R engine has 12:1 compression. Same static compression as a Hemi. HP is a calculation of RPM and torque. Want more HP? Move your torque band to higher RPMs and you'll get more horsepower. However, you'll sacrifice low end power, as in, that stuff you need at a stop light. Honda compensates for this with VTEC, which allows for more cam duration and less lift at lower RPMs. It is also a very oversquare engine, meaning the bore is much wider than the stroke is long, giving it better high rpm performance, but less low end torque.
This is about as efficient as you can make an engine, and still have it streetable(any power below 6000rpm, and running on pump gas). Therefore, the goal becomes getting more air in and out of that engine. This can be accomplished with better exhaust, which is the most common way. This leaves the cylinderhead as the bottleneck in the flow, as it probably was in the first place. Solution? Open up the ports, clean up any casting flash, and port match the manifolds to the head. This will drastically improve the flow of the engine, meaning? More fuel/air, more power.
Some factory intake manifolds are quite restrictive, such as any stock manifold from a 70s American V8. This would be the next bottleneck in the flow, and would need to be replaced, or at least ported as well. Porting a manifold can be much harder, as there is less room to work, and you can't really get into hard to reach places. It's usually a better idea just to replace it. Now you can make you decision of whether you want high RPM performance, or low end grunt. Long intake manifold runners will increase low end performance, at the expense of high end power, and vice versa.
Now that that is sorted out, you have an engine that breathes much better. Now you can add all those little bolt ons, and they might actually do some good. The right air intake tube can give you a small degree of play in your powerband, but not much. The main jump in efficiency comes from compression, and timing. The more you compress the fuel/air mixture, the harder it will push the piston down on the power stroke. Now you can select a cam which will suit the way you have built the engine. I'm not going to get into cam timing, because I'm not quite well versed enough in that to recommend the perfect cam for any given setup.
That's the low down, so you can spend all the money you want on bolt ons, and proudly list them in your sig, but they're not doing much, not nearly as much as they would if everything else was sorted out in your engine. Try to increase the airflow before increasing the efficiency, because,
1) That's the only way to get any considerable power increases.
2) You'll have to retune EVERYTHING to match the end result of the engine build, if you want it to be efficient at all.
This is assuming of course, that you really want a powerful engine, and you're not just a ricer who wants to flash his K&N air filter, and yellow spark plug wires. Thank you for reading this rant, I hope this educates some of the people on this board.
dbartoschek
12-15-2002, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by DeViL
More like he played you. Doesn't seem like a ricer to me you just lost.
How does he not seem like a ricer to you? He's driving a Honda Civic with stickers all over it, and a huge ass fart can? I wasn't writing this because i lost....i wasn't expecting to smoke him, i have a stock Cavalier.... I was just expecting it to be close, and all of a sudden once i hit around 80km/h he just easily pulls me in and beats me? The whole point of this post was to see if Civics really have that much more top end power then a Cavalier, since i'm assuming his internals were pretty much stock, since i was beating him.....and the other reason for the post was just to bitch about stupid kids in Civics with stickers all over them, thinking they are all that.
More like he played you. Doesn't seem like a ricer to me you just lost.
How does he not seem like a ricer to you? He's driving a Honda Civic with stickers all over it, and a huge ass fart can? I wasn't writing this because i lost....i wasn't expecting to smoke him, i have a stock Cavalier.... I was just expecting it to be close, and all of a sudden once i hit around 80km/h he just easily pulls me in and beats me? The whole point of this post was to see if Civics really have that much more top end power then a Cavalier, since i'm assuming his internals were pretty much stock, since i was beating him.....and the other reason for the post was just to bitch about stupid kids in Civics with stickers all over them, thinking they are all that.
BlOOe46
12-15-2002, 08:29 PM
not speaking for anyone here, but . . .
i think what DeViL was trying to point out was that maybe this guy was playing with u up until the point he took u in, which would explain why he was able to do it so easily
i mean, come on, stock cav? noone is going to have too much of a problem taking one, even if it IS a rice burner
i think what DeViL was trying to point out was that maybe this guy was playing with u up until the point he took u in, which would explain why he was able to do it so easily
i mean, come on, stock cav? noone is going to have too much of a problem taking one, even if it IS a rice burner
dbartoschek
12-15-2002, 10:47 PM
He wasn't playing with me...trust me...his engine was screaming, he had it floored...
Cyprus106
12-15-2002, 11:17 PM
Slugger, you just got beat? Typically, people stop talking shit after they've been beat. He had stickers all over his car and a hugeass fart can. He still beat you. Stickers or not. Cavaliers are not hard cars to beat. I'm not trying to be cocky or argumentative here, I've had my fair share of wons and losses but I've raced a few Cavaliers and haven't lost to any. I raced mt friends 99 Cav (stock.) He said since it was a Z24 it was somehow all-powerful or something. I won. 4 times in a row. I was nearly stock at that point. Cav's just don't have it in them I guess.
At any rate, just in case you didnt know for some reason, its typically best to stop talking shit after you've been owned. Granted, I can't stand people who are like that after a race either, but when you lose you lose.
At any rate, just in case you didnt know for some reason, its typically best to stop talking shit after you've been owned. Granted, I can't stand people who are like that after a race either, but when you lose you lose.
Cbass
12-16-2002, 10:04 AM
Cavaliers just aren't that fast, true, but they are a little quicker off the line than a base Civic.
Cyprus, you have to tell me though, where can you get these R1 seats for $150?
Cyprus, you have to tell me though, where can you get these R1 seats for $150?
DemonZX
12-16-2002, 10:41 AM
That guy was sand bagging hardcore!
Cyprus106
12-16-2002, 03:40 PM
Cavaliers just aren't that fast, true, but they are a little quicker off the line than a base Civic.
Really? I don't want to disagree because I honestly don't know but that's kind of surprising. I didn't think they were quicker off the line...
Really? I don't want to disagree because I honestly don't know but that's kind of surprising. I didn't think they were quicker off the line...
Cbass
12-16-2002, 04:20 PM
Well, it does depend on the year of the Civic and the year of the Cavalier. The difference is in the powerband, the 2.2 liter engine of the Cavalier has much more low end torque than the Civic, but also much less high end pulling power. The gearing is quite similar... A friend of mine is a Cavalier nut, so I hear this from him all the time ;)
But seriously, please tell me about the seats! My passenger seat is moldy!
But seriously, please tell me about the seats! My passenger seat is moldy!
Cyprus106
12-16-2002, 04:32 PM
CBass, You've got a new PM
dbartoschek
12-16-2002, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by Cbass
Well, it does depend on the year of the Civic and the year of the Cavalier. The difference is in the powerband, the 2.2 liter engine of the Cavalier has much more low end torque than the Civic, but also much less high end pulling power. The gearing is quite similar... A friend of mine is a Cavalier nut, so I hear this from him all the time ;)
But seriously, please tell me about the seats! My passenger seat is moldy!
Thank you! Finally, you answer what the original reason for the post was...
Well, it does depend on the year of the Civic and the year of the Cavalier. The difference is in the powerband, the 2.2 liter engine of the Cavalier has much more low end torque than the Civic, but also much less high end pulling power. The gearing is quite similar... A friend of mine is a Cavalier nut, so I hear this from him all the time ;)
But seriously, please tell me about the seats! My passenger seat is moldy!
Thank you! Finally, you answer what the original reason for the post was...
DeViL
12-17-2002, 02:14 AM
Am I missing something? Did you say stickers all over the car in the first post because I can't find it. I tend to skim over semi-long messages. You mentioned riced out car so I figured you just said "riced out" because you were pissed off you lost. Didn't know it had junk all over it.:uhoh:
Cbass
12-17-2002, 04:45 PM
The minute I heard riced out I pictured a bright yellow 90s Civic with altezzas, stickers, a big aluminum wing and a fart can :D
dbartoschek
12-17-2002, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Cbass
The minute I heard riced out I pictured a bright yellow 90s Civic with altezzas, stickers, a big aluminum wing and a fart can :D
Partly right.........looked like...mid 90's, can't remember colour..think it was blue....with altezzas, stickers, and a fart can
The minute I heard riced out I pictured a bright yellow 90s Civic with altezzas, stickers, a big aluminum wing and a fart can :D
Partly right.........looked like...mid 90's, can't remember colour..think it was blue....with altezzas, stickers, and a fart can
Cbass
12-18-2002, 10:25 PM
He didn't even have a wing or a body kit? Ahaha, that's rich, that really is... I think that's the worst form of rice, econo-rice.
-The Stig-
12-19-2002, 02:04 AM
they all had to start from somewhere....
Cbass
12-19-2002, 11:21 AM
That's true... his next upgrade will probably be "sports seat" style seat covers :hehehe:
Polygon
12-19-2002, 12:26 PM
Yeah, nOOb ricers, after that he should get a Momo shifter knob and steering wheel, he will be unstoppable!
Cbass
12-19-2002, 03:34 PM
Are you kidding? Momo is expensive... he'd probably go for the Pep Boys special ;)
-The Stig-
12-19-2002, 06:06 PM
Pep Boys?... thats for the big dawgs!... he wants to go to AutoZone.
Cyprus106
12-20-2002, 04:33 PM
O'Riley's.
Once again, everybody has their own way of customizing. Granted, all of us around here are much more into the tuning and performance but to each his own... Apparently that ricer could beat dbartoschek, so he can't be all that bad. Personally, I would much rather drop every penny I've got into my engine and leave that whole body kit thing to the people who do that but if it's their preference then let them have it. We all know who they really are and who they're not fooling. I'd be willing to bet some people on these forums would rather do show and I hate those god damned ricers as much as the next guy. Assholes raised the prices for all of us. I'd like to give a big thank you and a nice big finger for that but hey, at least when we pull up next to a ricer, we get another easy kill. plus we murder their self esteem! and that's what counts. lol
Once again, everybody has their own way of customizing. Granted, all of us around here are much more into the tuning and performance but to each his own... Apparently that ricer could beat dbartoschek, so he can't be all that bad. Personally, I would much rather drop every penny I've got into my engine and leave that whole body kit thing to the people who do that but if it's their preference then let them have it. We all know who they really are and who they're not fooling. I'd be willing to bet some people on these forums would rather do show and I hate those god damned ricers as much as the next guy. Assholes raised the prices for all of us. I'd like to give a big thank you and a nice big finger for that but hey, at least when we pull up next to a ricer, we get another easy kill. plus we murder their self esteem! and that's what counts. lol
Cbass
12-20-2002, 06:14 PM
Well said. I hate ricers :)
dbartoschek
12-20-2002, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Cyprus106
O'Riley's.
Apparently that ricer could beat dbartoschek, so he can't be all that bad.
haha...you're joking right? Yea he beat me...in my stock Cavalier....wow...big kill for him. If i would have had my Bonneville we would have been well, and i mean, well behind me
O'Riley's.
Apparently that ricer could beat dbartoschek, so he can't be all that bad.
haha...you're joking right? Yea he beat me...in my stock Cavalier....wow...big kill for him. If i would have had my Bonneville we would have been well, and i mean, well behind me
Cyprus106
12-22-2002, 08:32 PM
Well, until that time comes, if ever, quit running your damn mouth. You got beat. Worse, you got beat by a ricer. Everybody says "well, if i wouldda..." Don't be a statistic. Really, now. Let's try to refrain from shittalking until we can prove it. ANYONE can say "well if I had this or that I couldda DEFINATELY beat him"
Cbass
12-23-2002, 01:11 AM
Stock for stock, Civics are faster than Cavaliers. Your stock Cavalier got beat by a riced stock Civic.
The Bonneville would blow it's doors off of course :D
The Bonneville would blow it's doors off of course :D
DemonZX
12-23-2002, 12:20 PM
This is making me sick...:apuke:
-The Stig-
12-23-2002, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by DemonZX
This is making me sick...:apuke:
... :apuke:... oh man... me too... :apuke:
This is making me sick...:apuke:
... :apuke:... oh man... me too... :apuke:
Cbass
12-23-2002, 01:34 PM
I can't stand the sight of vomit!
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DemonZX
12-23-2002, 01:56 PM
ANOTHRE THREAD LOST TO MINDLESS SMILIES AND BABLE!:apuke: :cwn27:
dbartoschek
12-24-2002, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by Cyprus106
Well, until that time comes, if ever, quit running your damn mouth. You got beat. Worse, you got beat by a ricer. Everybody says "well, if i wouldda..." Don't be a statistic. Really, now. Let's try to refrain from shittalking until we can prove it. ANYONE can say "well if I had this or that I couldda DEFINATELY beat him"
How the hell am i running my mouth? I clearly stated that i know my Cavalier is slow, and i know it can't beat much on the road. I'm not mad at the fact that he beat me, i'm mad at his cocky attitude for beating me, because he was acting like he beat a really fast car, when he didn't. Get it?
Well, until that time comes, if ever, quit running your damn mouth. You got beat. Worse, you got beat by a ricer. Everybody says "well, if i wouldda..." Don't be a statistic. Really, now. Let's try to refrain from shittalking until we can prove it. ANYONE can say "well if I had this or that I couldda DEFINATELY beat him"
How the hell am i running my mouth? I clearly stated that i know my Cavalier is slow, and i know it can't beat much on the road. I'm not mad at the fact that he beat me, i'm mad at his cocky attitude for beating me, because he was acting like he beat a really fast car, when he didn't. Get it?
93EagleVisionTSi
12-24-2002, 06:16 AM
Autozone? Nah, you're more likely to find him at Walmart.
dbartoschek, I understand what you're saying. I had the same fun experience running a NA 2.0L KIA Sportage up against a 2.0L Talon TSi. I thought it would be worth a hoot just to see how lame a Sportage's drivetrain is, but this Talon guy took me seriously. I pulled up to the light and gave him a dirty look. Then I laughed at the redundant tach syndrome he was experiencing and revved my engine just to fuck with him. So he finds it necessary to put the hammer down as hard as he can on green and let go his first shot of nitrous before he even gets to the other side of the intersection. Give it 3 seconds and I see another poof from his fart can. Talk about nervous... The hell for? He ran that Talon as hard as he could for the next 1/2 mile, meanwhile I'm just sittin back there laughing at how much of a difference no turbo and an automatic tranny makes. (Not to mention his car was empty and mine had 2 chicks in it; talk about weight difference...a Sportage? please!)
Wow! That's impressive. To beat a Sportage you have to have at least a 19 second car. I'll betcha he could beat my grandma; what with the display he put on.
I have the same itch you do dbartoschek: go back with my sports sedan after it's upgraded to run some much faster times and blow out those DSM cars and ricers.
*******
Check out my KIA
4WD at 80mph! :frog:
dbartoschek, I understand what you're saying. I had the same fun experience running a NA 2.0L KIA Sportage up against a 2.0L Talon TSi. I thought it would be worth a hoot just to see how lame a Sportage's drivetrain is, but this Talon guy took me seriously. I pulled up to the light and gave him a dirty look. Then I laughed at the redundant tach syndrome he was experiencing and revved my engine just to fuck with him. So he finds it necessary to put the hammer down as hard as he can on green and let go his first shot of nitrous before he even gets to the other side of the intersection. Give it 3 seconds and I see another poof from his fart can. Talk about nervous... The hell for? He ran that Talon as hard as he could for the next 1/2 mile, meanwhile I'm just sittin back there laughing at how much of a difference no turbo and an automatic tranny makes. (Not to mention his car was empty and mine had 2 chicks in it; talk about weight difference...a Sportage? please!)
Wow! That's impressive. To beat a Sportage you have to have at least a 19 second car. I'll betcha he could beat my grandma; what with the display he put on.
I have the same itch you do dbartoschek: go back with my sports sedan after it's upgraded to run some much faster times and blow out those DSM cars and ricers.
*******
Check out my KIA
4WD at 80mph! :frog:
DemonZX
12-24-2002, 08:45 AM
Some people are just stupid as hell. They will race anything. The ones i love are the ones who won't race if they know they're gonna lose. Punks!
hybridsol
12-25-2002, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by Cbass
I can't stand the sight of vomit!
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this is just like last week at that kegger. :D
I can't stand the sight of vomit!
:apuke:
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this is just like last week at that kegger. :D
-The Stig-
12-25-2002, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by hybridsol
this is just like last week at that kegger. :D
Yeah that was a great party!
Man... Hybrid we got LIT! hahaha...
Most memberal moment was that conversation we had... about Tarzan...
Hybrid: hey...wasn't tarzan raised by a pack of wolves?
Redneck: ...... thats moogly from the jungle book
Redneck: tarzan was... raised by... jews.
Hybrid: ... oh yeah...
this is just like last week at that kegger. :D
Yeah that was a great party!
Man... Hybrid we got LIT! hahaha...
Most memberal moment was that conversation we had... about Tarzan...
Hybrid: hey...wasn't tarzan raised by a pack of wolves?
Redneck: ...... thats moogly from the jungle book
Redneck: tarzan was... raised by... jews.
Hybrid: ... oh yeah...
hybridsol
12-25-2002, 09:17 PM
ahh memories.....
DemonZX
12-26-2002, 08:10 AM
It's a Kegsmas Tree! You guys party like us down here! You need to come down here, come February or March, when it is around 65 to 70 degrees every day, gets up to 80. I'll introduce you to some Florida girls. Or I may come up north. You can introduce me to some of those northern ladies.
-The Stig-
12-26-2002, 12:56 PM
screw you... we're stinn-geee about our women... all ours ours ours... you can have what we dont want... the chicks with schlongs.
J/P Man :D
Sounds good, you should come out to California. Its very similar to Florida ... except we dont get random as hell rain showers... and Hurricanes we dont get those.
All we have is drouts which are good for racing... you can get in a good season of racing with out worrying about being rained out at the track.
And then we get Floods... which can kill racing... but lets you go play in the mud =P
Oh yeah... we have earthquakes.
J/P Man :D
Sounds good, you should come out to California. Its very similar to Florida ... except we dont get random as hell rain showers... and Hurricanes we dont get those.
All we have is drouts which are good for racing... you can get in a good season of racing with out worrying about being rained out at the track.
And then we get Floods... which can kill racing... but lets you go play in the mud =P
Oh yeah... we have earthquakes.
DemonZX
12-26-2002, 01:38 PM
I will be in Vegas in May. Maybe i will stop by.
Cbass
12-26-2002, 03:28 PM
I live on the west coast of Canada, and it's not that cold up here. Sure, it's not southern California, but we haven't got any snow this year, and the coldest it has gotten this year was 1 below, celcius. That's about 30 degrees F.
Of course, it rains... oh how it rains, but hey, saves the tires during drift runs :D
Of course, it rains... oh how it rains, but hey, saves the tires during drift runs :D
DemonZX
12-26-2002, 04:09 PM
:hehehe: true it does save the tires...but the rest of the car? *sliding into a tree* j/k
We should all meet one day and have are own automotive forums Gumball Rally! That would kick some serious arse! Thats not a bad temp. for up there. It's been kinda overcast today, but you can still see the sun. It was 32 F this morning at about 7:15. Thats pretty damn cold for here.
We should all meet one day and have are own automotive forums Gumball Rally! That would kick some serious arse! Thats not a bad temp. for up there. It's been kinda overcast today, but you can still see the sun. It was 32 F this morning at about 7:15. Thats pretty damn cold for here.
-The Stig-
12-26-2002, 05:44 PM
Damn that IS cold for Florida.:eek:
Layla's Keeper
12-27-2002, 02:23 AM
The AF Gumball... I could see it all now...
We'd probably start out on the West coast and head for the East coast, but stop somewhere in the middle of Iowa because we got bored.
I'd be stranded somewhere over the Rockys, trying to find valvespring retainer clips for an MGB 1.8L engine. *looks at Layla* Hon, I'm sorry but your reliabilty isn't particularly notworthy. How many sets of plugs have we gone through since August?
We'd probably start out on the West coast and head for the East coast, but stop somewhere in the middle of Iowa because we got bored.
I'd be stranded somewhere over the Rockys, trying to find valvespring retainer clips for an MGB 1.8L engine. *looks at Layla* Hon, I'm sorry but your reliabilty isn't particularly notworthy. How many sets of plugs have we gone through since August?
-The Stig-
12-27-2002, 03:23 AM
it would start in California... and end in Vegas where we'd all lose interest in racing.. and mysteriously all end up in the nudy bars...
DemonZX
12-27-2002, 09:28 AM
Nudy bars I would never........:finger: .....yeah right!
Well If I drive all the way out there to do the rally. Our asses are taking it all the way back to the east coast to lets say Miami! CLICK!
Well If I drive all the way out there to do the rally. Our asses are taking it all the way back to the east coast to lets say Miami! CLICK!
96talontsi
01-14-2004, 11:39 AM
quote:
"I have the same itch you do dbartoschek: go back with my sports sedan after it's upgraded to run some much faster times and blow out those DSM cars and ricers."
cavalier beating ricers maybe... dsm's i dont think ill see that in my life time but thats just me ;) lol
"I have the same itch you do dbartoschek: go back with my sports sedan after it's upgraded to run some much faster times and blow out those DSM cars and ricers."
cavalier beating ricers maybe... dsm's i dont think ill see that in my life time but thats just me ;) lol
Polygon
01-14-2004, 01:06 PM
HOLY OLD THREAD BATMAN!
Please don't drudge up old threads.
Please don't drudge up old threads.
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