Grand am VS Neon?????

Ok here it is a 91 Dodge neon "stock" 16valve DOHC VS a 96 Grand Am GT with 3.1 stock???????????? Whats gonna win?

HAHAHAHAHAHA:hehehe: Grand Am:coolguy: .The Neon would be BURNED!And BTW,The didnt exist in 1991.

Im sorry,I meant...The -Neon- didnt exist in 1991.

Neon=second worst car currently on sale :lol2:


Grand Am is OK though

both slow no one will win
Gt 170 hp
neon 100 hp:alien:

pointless race, waste of gas:hehe: :hehe:

The neon has more then 100hp, and that is true they were not around in 91. Depending on the transmission on the cars will help judge who would win. Isn't the GT a 6cyc. If so, this question should not even be asked they are a completely different class.

both slow no one will win


Actually the GT is quit fast.

170 hp will get you know where when its time for that extra punch, I should know, i once owned a chevy beretta w/ 170 hp and it was cool but not enough oomph!!:rolleyes:

Trust me,my sister has a 2002 GT and it is fast.170HP will make a car as light as the GT move fast.

Trust me, I know also, Here is the breakdown though----I owned a 94 chevy beretta. The weight is 2795 lbs with 170 hp and 150 lbs of torqe, I had exaust, intake,high flow converter and ported heads on that car, I thought that car ripped ass and took names. Your cousins 2002 gt (if it's 2 door)is 3099 lbs stock with 175 hp and 205 lbs of torqe. If she's stock, she's pretty quick but, with all due respect not quick enough. With my mods, I hate to estimate any # figures but I'm sure my Hp and torqe rating went up at least 15, leaving me with a car that still weighs less than a stock 2002 gt and with a power rating that at least edges over the Grand am (at least in HP) I raced 5 maximas in my beretta, I lost to all of them. this was the 4th gen max that weighs 3001 lbs. Gearing has alot to do with a cars performance and thats where GM messed up on there v6's, take for instance the new Monte SS, (the engine is boo boo). 200 hp, yea right (over rated). A stock 190 hp 4th gen MAX (auto or 5 speed )will hand a Monte SS its rectum:rolleyes:

Trust me, I know also, Here is the breakdown though----I owned a 94 chevy beretta. The weight is 2795 lbs with 170 hp and 150 lbs of torqe, I had exaust, intake,high flow converter and ported heads on that car, I thought that car ripped ass and took names. Your sisters 2002 gt (if it's 2 door)is 3099 lbs stock with 175 hp and 205 lbs of torqe. If she's stock, she's pretty quick but, with all due respect not quick enough. With my mods, I hate to estimate any # figures but I'm sure my Hp and torqe rating went up at least 15, leaving me with a car that still weighs less than a stock 2002 gt and with a power rating that at least edges over the Grand am (at least in HP) I raced 5 maximas in my beretta, I lost to all of them. this was the 4th gen max that weighs 3001 lbs. Gearing has alot to do with a cars performance and thats where GM messed up on there v6's, take for instance the new Monte SS, (the engine is boo boo). 200 hp, yea right (over rated). A stock 190 hp 4th gen MAX (auto or 5 speed )will hand a Monte SS its rectum:rolleyes:

There is a big difference in technology between a 94 Beretta and a 2002 Grand Am...two totally different engines.With acceleration of 0-60 in 7.5 seconds and 1/4 mile in 16.0 seconds I'd say thats not too bad.

Your absolutely right, and I'm not bashing GM in any way because like I mentioned I own one myself and I'll never sell the "thugretta" because me and that car has a history.:D Do they make the grand am gt in 5 speed by the way, if so that would be interesting

No.....:( Be nice if they made a Grand Prix in a 5 speed. :D WOHA

Hey Max,sorry I didnt get back to you.The auto e-mailer never sent me and email till Scott's post.But no,Scotts right.No 5 spd GT.

Originally posted by Scott 02
No.....:( Be nice if they made a Grand Prix in a 5 speed. :D WOHA

Yes, that would be very nice, especially a 5spd GTP. I dont understand why they havent tried as of yet though. They have produced 5spd Grand Am's but they really arent that great. Oh well.

Most cars manufactures these days are automatics. I rather have a standard myself, but i guess its to hard for people to learn that thing and the manufactures knew that they would sell better if more of their cars are automatics. :rolleyes: At least most of our High End cars are still standard.

Originally posted by ILike2DriveCars


Yes, that would be very nice, especially a 5spd GTP. .

Guy, thats an understatment, If they made a 5 speed GTP, that car would kick ass and take names, the auto's rip, imagine a 5 speed.. They should have at least come out with a few, I would have gotten one.

Originally posted by MaximusGTR


They should have at least come out with a few, I would have gotten one.

Ill ditto that.

I sure would have gotten a 5 speed GTP if it were available...That would kick ass.

Originally posted by MaximusGTR
both slow no one will win
Gt 170 hp
neon 100 hp:alien:

pointless race, waste of gas:hehe: :hehe:

the only neon i have any respect for is that new 2??hp turbocharged srt one. Although it is still a neon and turbos on anything will give even a crappy car some advantages.

The bottom line is......The Grand Prix GT would kick the Neons ASS!!!

Originally posted by Scott 02
The bottom line is......The Grand Prix GT would kick the Neons ASS!!!

i think that statement goes uneeded to say. The Am would tear it up too. Now a sunfire... hmm, it does have a dohc like the neon, i would say it would prob win.

I'm not sure what you guys have been smoking :P

1st generation DOHC Neons weigh in at around 2600 lbs (The ACR weighs around 2500 lbs) and have 150hp, 132 lbft of torque. Simple math regarding power to weight ratio should tell you the rest. STOCK DOHC 5 speed Neons clock 15.4 in the 1/4 mile. At certain colder regions STOCK ACR's have clocked as low as 14.9. Not to bash grand am's or anything but the DOHC 5 speed Neons would smoke it. SOHC or automatic neons are another story *LOL*.

I own a turbo '98 r/t which clocked mid 12's on a weak stage II kit and a '97 acr which clocked 15.8 STOCK. Keep in mind this is at Hawaii Raceway Park on Oahu and is about half a second slower than mainland times.

not smoking a thing dodge boy.:loser:

I take back that the Neon would "smoke" the grand am gt. It is slightly faster.

The topic of the post was:

Ok here it is a 91 Dodge neon "stock" 16valve DOHC VS a 96 Grand Am GT with 3.1 stock???????????? Whats gonna win?

The answer is the neon. But not by much. The difference is approximately .2 seconds 0-60 and .3 seconds in the 1/4 mile. A better driver in the Grand Am would beat a mediocre one in the Neon.

i still don't think so. i'm going to stay with the grand am. maybe someone who has a neon needs to race a grand am so we all can see what will win.

STOCK DOHC 5 speed Neons clock 15.4 in the 1/4 mile. At certain colder regions STOCK ACR's have clocked as low as 14.9.

my ass...

oh, and i guess i wont just stop there. but ive raced a couple of neons. and both i raped up the ass. and guess what i have? and my car is only a low 16 second car. and yes one was a 5 speed, and i still beat him by a good 4 car lengths.

Simple math regarding power to weight ratio should tell you the rest.

simple math eh? i mustve missed where you put the specs for the grand am to do the math with. so i will be kind enough to post them for ya. 96 3.1 v6 grand am = 160 horsepower, 185 lb/torque, and weighs in around 2800. have fun with your math.

i just keep reading more...


I own a turbo '98 r/t which clocked mid 12's on a weak stage II kit and a '97 acr which clocked 15.8 STOCK

BULLFUCKINGSHIT MAN... that is total bs. a mid 12 second neon... thats fucking rich man, unless you have spent a fucking shitload of money on that car, theres no way its runnin 12's. i would give you a high 14 at the least. ....mid 12's....

nice one 1995grandam, you have stated what needed to be stated.
:wink: Don't let these dodge boys put your grandam down. i'm with you all the way.

hey scott, whats your gtp run? ive heard with a smaller pulley and your kinds of mods you can be in the low 13's, if not 12's.

I think that Dodge boy smoked too much CRACK :smokin:

I used to race a guy in a 2000 Neon 5 speed when I had a 91 POS Taurus V6 and he was eating my dust every day. we raced every day from one school to the other he probobly won 1 out of 15 races.let me tell you at the time my mom had a 2000 Grand Am SE and it would have ate my taurus for breakfast.

just my $.02

to 95GrandAm
my stock GTP runs mid 14's all stock.

I think that Dodge boy smoked too much CRACK
:bigthumb: good call '00' GTP.


hey scott, whats your gtp run? ive heard with a smaller pulley and your kinds of mods you can be in the low 13's, if not 12's.

I don't have the pulley or nose drive mod. yet. i should have it because it is pretty cheap. Also i have not done my car in the quarter mile yet. I am planning on doin it real soon. From the mods i have now, i think i'm pushing 255-265HP. I'm going to wait and get my MSD Spark Plug wires and computer chip, and new front tires before i go to the strip.

I believe the original question was " who would win, a NEON or a GRAND AM"
First of all, I don't think it was ever clear what year the cars were, so lets say 2003's
A 2003 GRAND AM SE. 2.2 L ECOTEC engine 140 horses
A 2003 NEON base model 2.2 L something-or-rather engine. I think 115-130 horses

I think the NEON would start off okay, but with the torque on the GRAND AM, it would kick the NEON's ass.

A 2003 GRAND AM GT 3400 V6 engine 170 horses
A 2003 NEON SRT 2.4 L DOHC engine 215 horses, 250 ft lbs. of torque

This NEON, although I hate to admit it, would smoke the GRAND AM, but, it isn't nearly as cool.

woah... im pretty sure we werent talking about the srt-4. lol... way out of a grand ams league. 215 (way underrated) hp. no contest...

I know everyone on here is going to argue till they're blue in the face because it IS the Grand Am forum... But seriously... do some research on 95->99 neons. NOT the new 2000 and up ones.

I totally agree with you that if you race the newer neons (not the srt4) that you will spank them as well. They are much heavier than the first gen and actually have a little less power as well.

Also, remember that there are TWO powerplants for the Neon. 85% of the ones you see on the street are the SOHC ones rated at 132hp. The DOHC comes in at 150hp. 150hp pushing a 2500 lb car isn't slow... The NEW 2000 and up models are virtually ALL 132hp except for the ACR and R/T's (150hp) which are VERY rare. And the new models weigh upwards of 2900 lbs.

And in case you guys would really like to see my car and time slips here it is. http://www.neonwerx.com/ksia

I'm the president of the Neon club here in Hawaii. I bought the car for $9000 and the used Hahn racecraft stage III turbo kit cost me $2350. The rest of my mods about $3000, not counting labor of course :)

My STOCK '97 ACR ran a 15.4 a couple months ago :) Bought that for $2300 and has 104,000 miles on the odometer.

Originally posted by GA LOVER
I believe the original question was " who would win, a NEON or a GRAND AM"
First of all, I don't think it was ever clear what year the cars were, so lets say 2003's
A 2003 GRAND AM SE. 2.2 L ECOTEC engine 140 horses
A 2003 NEON base model 2.2 L something-or-rather engine. I think 115-130 horses

I think the NEON would start off okay, but with the torque on the GRAND AM, it would kick the NEON's ass.

A 2003 GRAND AM GT 3400 V6 engine 170 horses
A 2003 NEON SRT 2.4 L DOHC engine 215 horses, 250 ft lbs. of torque

This NEON, although I hate to admit it, would smoke the GRAND AM, but, it isn't nearly as cool.

a 2003 base model Neon (2.0 liter) would probably lose to the 2003 grand am. They only have 132hp and probably weigh more.

How much does a new Grand Am cost? Just curious. The SRT's are $19,995. Base models are around $11,000

oh, and i guess i wont just stop there. but ive raced a couple of neons. and both i raped up the ass. and guess what i have? and my car is only a low 16 second car. and yes one was a 5 speed, and i still beat him by a good 4 car lengths.


Like I said, the new neons are 450-500 lbs heavier than the old ones and 90% have the 132hp engine, not the 150hp one. I beat new Neons all the time as well, in my stock 97 dohc ACR and by more than 4 car lengths. The new 132 hp 5 speed Neons clock high 16's to low 17's. :)


simple math eh? i mustve missed where you put the specs for the grand am to do the math with. so i will be kind enough to post them for ya. 96 3.1 v6 grand am = 160 horsepower, 185 lb/torque, and weighs in around 2800. have fun with your math.


95-99 Neons weigh 2450-2550 lbs and DOHC ones have 150hp and 133 tq.

Using the numbers you quoted, it comes out to 0.0571 hp per lb for the Grand Am.
And in the case of my stock ACR, it comes out to 0.0612 hp per lb. I just did the math :) you try.


BULLFUCKINGSHIT MAN... that is total bs. a mid 12 second neon... thats fucking rich man, unless you have spent a fucking shitload of money on that car, theres no way its runnin 12's. i would give you a high 14 at the least. ....mid 12's....


Check my post 2 posts above this one :)

Personally I would say that $5300 is a lot of money on mods.

personally I would have taken the $14500 you spent on a Peon and spent it on a Mustang Cobra. you are about as fast as you can go with a neon, and you would just be starting on a Cobra.

I bought my GTP for $11,500, stock ran 14.5, I have spent about $100 and haven't been to the track since, but I can tell a noticeable difference. if I put $3000 in it, I would bet that I would be mid 12's and alot more room to grow.

jm$.02

Cool :) Definitely a good deal :)

Like I said, the new neons are 450-500 lbs heavier than the old ones and 90% have the 132hp engine, not the 150hp one. I beat new Neons all the time as well, in my stock 97 dohc ACR and by more than 4 car lengths. The new 132 hp 5 speed Neons clock high 16's to low 17's.

who said i was racing new ones?



Using the numbers you quoted, it comes out to 0.0571 hp per lb for the Grand Am.
And in the case of my stock ACR, it comes out to 0.0612 hp per lb. I just did the math you try.

lol, and how about you try doing the math for the torque, eh?

oh, and the first time you posted you said your acr ran a 15.8, then you said it ran a 15.4... crazy stuff...

and a '97 acr which clocked 15.8 STOCK
My STOCK '97 ACR ran a 15.4 a couple months ago Bought that for $2300 and has 104,000 miles on the odometer.

sounds like someone has been :pimp: way too much

*sigh* Here goes... Torque gets a car up and running and isn't as important on light cars. Ever notice why honda civic si's can clock 15.4-15.6 with 160 hp and 111 tq??

But seriously next time u race a neon, ask em to check under the hood. chances are its the sohc powerplant.

i ran 15.8 with street tires. I ran 15.4 with slicks. Sorry for the mixup.

*sigh* Here goes... Torque gets a car up and running and isn't as important on light cars. Ever notice why honda civic si's can clock 15.4-15.6 with 160 hp and 111 tq??

one of the dumbest things ive ever heards. ever notice that stock si's dont clock 15.4-15.6?

But seriously next time u race a neon, ask em to check under the hood. chances are its the sohc powerplant.

i try to avoid associating myself with ricers.

i ran 15.8 with street tires. I ran 15.4 with slicks. Sorry for the mixup.

ohh, ok, now i believe ya man.

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one of the dumbest things ive ever heards. ever notice that stock si's dont clock 15.4-15.6?
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You're right... 15.7 @ 90.4 -> http://web.radiant.net/kms/specs.html

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i try to avoid associating myself with ricers.
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Stock Neons aren't rice.

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ohh, ok, now i believe ya man.
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Don't know why it's so hard to believe. Like I said, do some research before bashing other cars. I researched your car and I'm not bashing the grand am at all.

im only gonna respond to Stock Neons aren't rice if people are tryin to race them, then theyre ricers, car may not be, but the person is.

BOYS, BOYS, I didn't want to start a ruckus when I posted my reply, it's just an opinion. I am NOT a professional and most of my comments are coming from my ass! I really don't know what car would win, And since we can't settle on a year(seems like 1990-2003) we never can say who would win, not to mention all the mods that are involved. But I will still say, a totally stock GRAND AM VS. a totally stock NEON, regardless of year, the GRAND AM is gonna win. Now I'm not talkin' GT's, R/T's, SRT-4's, just base models. See there I go again, starting shit, I'm partial to grand am's..........that's why they call me GA LOVER

for the race between the neon and the GAGT, i have a 99 GAGT and i was cruisin home from the IHOP down the way and had my posse of "winners with me, so i had a car of 4 18 year old guys filled with pancakes and we were cruising and this dude comes up in a 2 door neon, like a 99 with the full exhaust and most likely a cold air intake on there with a 5spd tranny, and i god my 4door with 110,000 miles on it with the cold air intake and we raced and i beat him 2 times by at the most 3 car links, so it is a close race, but i believe that with my car empty and after dumpin the pancakes i would take him out alot easier, he was pretty quick though, squeelin into 2nd. but when i was at my local strip there was a 97 expresso neon with full exhaust, enderdrive pulleys and an intake job on it, total sleeper, runin 14.4. then while i was up north we went to Golden sands speedway and they have spectator eliminator races on the oval track, which is 2 laps head to head, and my first race was against a 96 Mustang GT, and off the line we stayed neck n neck, but i ended up winning, so if my GAGT can stay with a 4.6 mustang i think i can beat a 6 cylinder neon pretty easy. another car that is fast is the SVT Contour, which runs a 15.7, but i raced one from ohio with some fat dude in it and once we got off the line i didnt start to pull away until around 65 70, so GAGTs can be made fast pretty easy, but i think i won that race because that dude was fat and weighed the beast down, cuz i did race a svt focus on the highway and had a hard time keepin on his ass, especially in the corners, but i had shredded my tires at Golden sands, so i cant keep my grip too well. anyway this winter i hope to put on hedders, true dual exhaust with 2.5" flowmaster exhaust, larger throttle body, new polished and bored intake manifold, custom ram air, parted and polised heads, with larger valves, and an asc chip. all that together should push me over 265 hp 212 ft lb at the flywheel, and there was a dude with a supercharged GAGT that had 260hp and he was runnin a 13.8, so i am looking to run close to that, hopefully better. Just to tell you Dumba$$ morons who say the GAGTs have 170hp,they have 175, the GA SE has 170, not much difference, but it still matters

Hey go to car-stats.com and you can see stock performance on most all cars.

Stock for stock the GA will win. How do I know, I own a 98 GASE, not GT, but i have the 3.1 V6 so its the damn same.... I had a member in my club with a DOHC NEON (sport model) 5 speed, we raced he had full exhaust, intake, and cam gears, I had intake and exhaust, I got him by about 1 full car length. It was close but I won. Stock for stock I would have gotten a easy 2 car's on him. Mine is auto ofcourse.


But its all driver. Driver error coutns for alot.

You say stock for stock, but with an intake and exhaust THAT"S NOT STOCK I can't be too hard on you though, you drive a Grand Am. Oh and spelling errors count for a lot too!

dude what are you talking about saying stock for stock about the dudes post, if the neon has cam mods or whatever he said, then it should be faster, but it wasnt, so then whats the point of your reply and who gives about spelling. but he shouldnt be talking about knowing stock, cuz he said they both had mods, thats all i know is my sister had a 99 neon and that was the sports edition, i dont remember what they call em, but it was not fast at all, it was quick, but nothin to brag about. neons are only easier to upgrade, they dont make hardly anything to bolt onto a grand am, so neons are better if you want to mess with the engine and have alot of options, but stock a grand am is better, especially a gt. but if you got money and the GT then you can make it fast, because they have hedders, superchargers, manifolds, throttle bodies, chips, cat back systems, and some other stuff, but the supercharger is 6k alone and hedders are 650.

I hate to tell every one this but i raced my grand am against my best friends Neon. My grand am is an SE Auto with the 3100 V6. He has a DOHC 2.0 manual. He beat my car by over three car lengths in a 0-70 race. I really wish my car could have won. I at the time had my grand am on 205 rubber Eagle GA and he was running standard issue BF goodrich's. I had a Cool air intake and he was still running stock intake with the snorkle taken off. He also had polyurithane motor mounts installed, but really do little for performance. It was a fair race and my grand am is in tip top shape. But sadly i lost. I didnt have an oportunity to race a Neon with the single over head cam, but i have driven them several times and i know for a fact the grand am would beat the SOHC neon, but the dual overhead cam is very quick.


Since the race his neon has transformed. He now is running 225 Rubber Falcons, he has ported intakes and larger man. He has a cool air intake, and is running compression pistons to give the car a G-tech dyno of 182 horse. If you want a cheap car get a neon, if you want a car thats dependable get a grand am.


SORRY FOR THE BIT OF BAD NEWS

ok, I have to say that that site was great, but I know for a fack that they are wrong on a GTP. I have seen Stock GTP's run 14.5 it saies 15.1...... total BS, and it saies that your pretty little PEON runs mid 16's.........

Ok here it is a 91 Dodge neon "stock" 16valve DOHC VS a 96 Grand Am GT with 3.1 stock???????????? Whats gonna win?

the cop car

i can not see anyway possible the neon winning, sure a neon has a great chance of beating a sunfire with a 2.2 liter s10 engine but we are talking bout older cars a 4 banger neon and a v6 96 grand am well im staying true to the grand am. although i do have a 4banger grand am 2002 and i pulled up next to a v6 grand am 2002 on the high way we both were pushing our cars from 50 to 80 we were side by side and well i cant afford a ticket with points so maybe there is something to sat negitive bout the v6 i donno :confused:

eh, a 5 speed DOHC neon would be a close race for a 3100 GA. depending on mods, it'd be close. the auto tranny mated to the 3100 is what' holding it back.. but, NEWSFLASH!! there are a couple of berettas on bstuff.com who have successfully mated their 3100s to manuals, but neither have timeslips yet. check it out. generally auto vs. manual, the manual has about 1 sec in the quarer mile.

auto manufacturers sell more automatics because so many people live in cities and are stuck in traffic most of the time that they are driving. also, the cell phone industry prohibits new car owners from using two hands to operate any motor vehicle, hadn't you noticed?

adamsinstall, what happened? did you get a bad launch? if you got beat by a naturally aspirated neon, i woulda expected it to be in the top end.

that 5hp from the "ram air" is just ridiculous. hp ratings are usually averages with standard deviations of 2-3hp anyhow on new cars. you guys have to admit it's not really a "ram air" anyway. a warm air intake is more productive, and that's sad.

there ARE turbo neons running 12's. get used to it. they won't be falling apart for another year or too ( :p )

ever notice that stock si's dont clock 15.4-15.6?

:lol2: :lol2: yeah i've noticed. take out all their seats and put more vtech and type r stickers & they might.. ?

my Z26 isn't afraid of any neon that doesn't say srt, and neither should your GA's be.
:grinno:

:banghead:

i cant see it even if the neon is a stick it should be out ran by a grand am, a friend of min has a 5speed 96 jetta gt with a dyno slip of 134 to the front wheels his car is also lighter then mine. and he aint out running my 4banger auto. so how can a neon outrun a v6 grand am. i cant see it at all.

alot of it has to do with the driver. in an auto pretty much all you have to know how to do is mash the gas and go straight, you can cut a second off your time with a manuel, but if you are a terriable driver you can add a sec. all depends on the driving.

alot of it has to do with the driver. in an auto pretty much all you have to know how to do is mash the gas and go straight, you can cut a second off your time with a manuel, but if you are a terriable driver you can add a sec. all depends on the driving.


in no way shape pr fprm are you wrong, but there is a lil more skill involved in dragin a auto. you want to get as much acceliration as possible with out spinning the tires which not only prolongs life of ya tires and betters ya time without spinning.