Brake Rotors
d16a6crx
12-08-2002, 01:17 PM
Gonna be getting new rotors in a little while and I want to get a nice set of aftermarket ones. I definatly want something that won't rust and possibly cross drilled... I've been looking for some info on the internet, but can't really find anything. What I really want is Brembo, but I haven't been able to locate a list of applications to see if they even make them for CRXs... From what I've found so far is that AEM aparently do not make them, Neuspeed do, but they are not stainless steel, which is what I want.
Any input would be appriciated.
One more thing is: I have stock 14" wheels, and I don't planon getting bigger ones any time soon so a big brake kit is not really sensible.
BTW I have a 1991 CRX Si w/ four wheel disc brakes
Any input would be appriciated.
One more thing is: I have stock 14" wheels, and I don't planon getting bigger ones any time soon so a big brake kit is not really sensible.
BTW I have a 1991 CRX Si w/ four wheel disc brakes
FourthGenHatch
12-08-2002, 01:59 PM
Get Brembo Blanks. They are very good quality and cheap. I highly doubt you will find any stainless steel brake rotors. Best you will get is iron with a zinc coating. However I have a theory that if you take a rotor and a can of acrylic laquer (clearcoat) and do several nice coats on the rotor then they won't rust. The pads will probably eat the clearcoat off the surface but I mean rust goes away on that part as soon as you brake anyway.
Nopionline.com sells the Brembo blanks, and yes they make them for your car.
Nopionline.com sells the Brembo blanks, and yes they make them for your car.
branman_crx_guy
12-08-2002, 04:45 PM
Well, you should definitley stay away from anything cross-drilled, cuz a lot ppl i know say they crack and such. The rotors i wanna get are ebc dimpled and slotted rotors. Wats dimpled u say? Well dimpled looks light cross drilled, except it only goes half way in, which still helps with heat, but the cracking possiblity pretty much dissapears. I was also gonna get the ebc green stuff brake pads, cuz they seem good too. I cant tell u how they work, and i cant find any reviews, but i like em, lol. Go to www.tirerack.com to find em, they also carry powerslot dimpled and slotted, which is another possiblity, i dunno, just my opinion.
kris
12-08-2002, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by branman_crx_guy
Well, you should definitley stay away from anything cross-drilled, cuz a lot ppl i know say they crack and such. The rotors i wanna get are ebc dimpled and slotted rotors. Wats dimpled u say? Well dimpled looks light cross drilled, except it only goes half way in, which still helps with heat, but the cracking possiblity pretty much dissapears. I was also gonna get the ebc green stuff brake pads, cuz they seem good too. I cant tell u how they work, and i cant find any reviews, but i like em, lol. Go to www.tirerack.com to find em, they also carry powerslot dimpled and slotted, which is another possiblity, i dunno, just my opinion.
I have had cross drilled/slotted rotors on my Infiniti for almost three years, with no signs of cracking.
Well, you should definitley stay away from anything cross-drilled, cuz a lot ppl i know say they crack and such. The rotors i wanna get are ebc dimpled and slotted rotors. Wats dimpled u say? Well dimpled looks light cross drilled, except it only goes half way in, which still helps with heat, but the cracking possiblity pretty much dissapears. I was also gonna get the ebc green stuff brake pads, cuz they seem good too. I cant tell u how they work, and i cant find any reviews, but i like em, lol. Go to www.tirerack.com to find em, they also carry powerslot dimpled and slotted, which is another possiblity, i dunno, just my opinion.
I have had cross drilled/slotted rotors on my Infiniti for almost three years, with no signs of cracking.
Jmunk
12-08-2002, 06:15 PM
Get brembo OEM's from summit racing. Their like $17 a piece and they kick ass. If Habib was here thats what he would tell you.
sastanley
12-09-2002, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Jmunk
Get brembo OEM's from summit racing. Their like $17 a piece and they kick ass. If Habib was here thats what he would tell you.
Yup - I have been thru 3 sets of rotors since I have been on this board(OEM @ ~$60 each, Powerslots @ ~$69 each, and now good ol' plain Brembos @ $17 from either place mentioned above), and the Brembos are by far the best...and cheapest. I even used the same pads :eek: (new AEM with the powerslots) when I switched from the Powerslots to the Brembos cuz they only had 4000 miles on them, I am cheap and the Powerslots warped so quick....and they stop the car just as good as any of the other rotors I have ever had. I have now had 6 sets of rotors on this car since I've owned it (since '94)
All the autocross guys here that really run their cars hard (Habib for example) all seem to be shifting back to blank Brembos, cuz they perform just as well and are inexpensive.
My $0.02 :cool:
Get brembo OEM's from summit racing. Their like $17 a piece and they kick ass. If Habib was here thats what he would tell you.
Yup - I have been thru 3 sets of rotors since I have been on this board(OEM @ ~$60 each, Powerslots @ ~$69 each, and now good ol' plain Brembos @ $17 from either place mentioned above), and the Brembos are by far the best...and cheapest. I even used the same pads :eek: (new AEM with the powerslots) when I switched from the Powerslots to the Brembos cuz they only had 4000 miles on them, I am cheap and the Powerslots warped so quick....and they stop the car just as good as any of the other rotors I have ever had. I have now had 6 sets of rotors on this car since I've owned it (since '94)
All the autocross guys here that really run their cars hard (Habib for example) all seem to be shifting back to blank Brembos, cuz they perform just as well and are inexpensive.
My $0.02 :cool:
habib_88
12-10-2002, 01:26 AM
Yup, thats what I would say ;) Seriously I've been running my current bremo OEM's for awhile now with the Axxis metalmaster pads and they have been awesome on the street and auto-x. However I took them to a track day and they tottaly fell flat on their face.
Course with big hard braking zones + slightly faster civic + heavy instuctor in shotgun = really cooked brakes
Gotta keep in mind our stock rotors are small as hell in reality, slots/holes sorta hurt them they undergo so much heat on such a small area. Larger cars won't see the same issues we have most likley their larger brakes can get rid of the heat faster thats the key. Also when you cut into the rotor your remove mass, this is mass it can use to help absorb and disapate the heat. Next on my list are either Hawk HP's or Axxis ultimates I heard both are really good.
BTW thanks for keepin me in mind everyone and remebering what i've taught you over the months ;) I'm tryin to make a small come back but this board still fights me like hell :mad: But I'm seeing alot more post around here I really need to be in on hehe, in the mean time if anyone wants to see me i'm also over at honda-tech now under the same name.
Lates-
Chris
Course with big hard braking zones + slightly faster civic + heavy instuctor in shotgun = really cooked brakes
Gotta keep in mind our stock rotors are small as hell in reality, slots/holes sorta hurt them they undergo so much heat on such a small area. Larger cars won't see the same issues we have most likley their larger brakes can get rid of the heat faster thats the key. Also when you cut into the rotor your remove mass, this is mass it can use to help absorb and disapate the heat. Next on my list are either Hawk HP's or Axxis ultimates I heard both are really good.
BTW thanks for keepin me in mind everyone and remebering what i've taught you over the months ;) I'm tryin to make a small come back but this board still fights me like hell :mad: But I'm seeing alot more post around here I really need to be in on hehe, in the mean time if anyone wants to see me i'm also over at honda-tech now under the same name.
Lates-
Chris
Alan Wil
10-22-2003, 03:29 PM
Gonna be getting new rotors in a little while and I want to get a nice set of aftermarket ones. I definatly want something that won't rust and possibly cross drilled... I've been looking for some info on the internet, but can't really find anything. What I really want is Brembo, but I haven't been able to locate a list of applications to see if they even make them for CRXs... From what I've found so far is that AEM aparently do not make them, Neuspeed do, but they are not stainless steel, which is what I want.
Any input would be appriciated.
One more thing is: I have stock 14" wheels, and I don't planon getting bigger ones any time soon so a big brake kit is not really sensible.
BTW I have a 1991 CRX Si w/ four wheel disc brakes
Good luck on finding brake discs that will not rust. Unless they are custom made you aren’t going to find any stainless steel ones.
The only discs that would not "rust" would be carbon/ceramic type discs as used on F1 cars and such.... Last time I checked those are sort-of "pricey". (They would probably cost more than your car is worth.)
By the way, why is surface rusting an issue?
The only reason I would think that rust would be an “issue” would be car shows????
Any input would be appriciated.
One more thing is: I have stock 14" wheels, and I don't planon getting bigger ones any time soon so a big brake kit is not really sensible.
BTW I have a 1991 CRX Si w/ four wheel disc brakes
Good luck on finding brake discs that will not rust. Unless they are custom made you aren’t going to find any stainless steel ones.
The only discs that would not "rust" would be carbon/ceramic type discs as used on F1 cars and such.... Last time I checked those are sort-of "pricey". (They would probably cost more than your car is worth.)
By the way, why is surface rusting an issue?
The only reason I would think that rust would be an “issue” would be car shows????
d16a6crx
10-22-2003, 04:16 PM
Holy Sh*t this is an old thread... any way, I got rotors like 7 months ago... KVR, cross drilled, slotted, and i beleive they are zinc plated ro something like that (cant remember exact type)... I don't care about surface rust (which they have now cause the car is stored... I kust didn't want them to rust to shit like the OEM ones did...
So far they have been great, been throught some hard braking and no warps or anything of that nature yet
So far they have been great, been throught some hard braking and no warps or anything of that nature yet
Alan Wil
10-22-2003, 09:24 PM
Holy Sh*t this is an old thread... any way, I got rotors like 7 months ago... KVR, cross drilled, slotted, and i beleive they are zinc plated ro something like that (cant remember exact type)... I don't care about surface rust (which they have now cause the car is stored... I kust didn't want them to rust to shit like the OEM ones did...
So far they have been great, been throught some hard braking and no warps or anything of that nature yet
d16a6crx,
Didn't see the date when I posted.... Was doing a search for info BIG Brakes... Trying to find out IF 91 Integra LS steering knuckles can be used on a 90 Civic DX "successfully" instead of Civic Ex ones.
(Successfully means the car can be aligned, and Caster, Camber, etc is within useable parameters.... Not just the parts bolting up.)
Hey are those discs stainless steel? Or are they iron with a cad plating? (Your sign says they’re stainless?)
Remember how much they cost?
What size are they? 9.5 10.2 11 13 15 or what?
So far they have been great, been throught some hard braking and no warps or anything of that nature yet
d16a6crx,
Didn't see the date when I posted.... Was doing a search for info BIG Brakes... Trying to find out IF 91 Integra LS steering knuckles can be used on a 90 Civic DX "successfully" instead of Civic Ex ones.
(Successfully means the car can be aligned, and Caster, Camber, etc is within useable parameters.... Not just the parts bolting up.)
Hey are those discs stainless steel? Or are they iron with a cad plating? (Your sign says they’re stainless?)
Remember how much they cost?
What size are they? 9.5 10.2 11 13 15 or what?
d16a6crx
10-23-2003, 07:54 AM
I'm not sure if they are steel or iron... i just call them stainless steel :) but they are 10.2" and I think they were like $50cdn each
sastanley
10-23-2003, 08:59 AM
I have heard the 91 Integra suspension will fit on our Civics nicely. Also, the slightly different Integra suspension constuction also fixes the common camber issues on a lowered Civic. I think you need more than just the knuckles tho. I would recommend the whole setu including the two control arms, etc.. I am sure someone has more info than I do. All I have is what I've read here.
Lata :smokin:
Lata :smokin:
darolh
10-23-2003, 05:04 PM
Good luck on finding brake discs that will not rust. Unless they are custom made you aren’t going to find any stainless steel ones.
The only discs that would not "rust" would be ceramic type discs as used on F1 cars and such.... Last time I checked those are sort-of "pricey". (They would probably cost more than your car is worth.)
By the way, why is surface rusting an issue?
The only reason I would think that rust would be an “issue” would be car shows????
F1 cars use carbon brakes.
Motorcycles often have stainless rotors.
The plated ones for cars are usually cadmium plated. It works pretty good and wears off where the pads swipe.
Where the hell is Habib anyway?
The only discs that would not "rust" would be ceramic type discs as used on F1 cars and such.... Last time I checked those are sort-of "pricey". (They would probably cost more than your car is worth.)
By the way, why is surface rusting an issue?
The only reason I would think that rust would be an “issue” would be car shows????
F1 cars use carbon brakes.
Motorcycles often have stainless rotors.
The plated ones for cars are usually cadmium plated. It works pretty good and wears off where the pads swipe.
Where the hell is Habib anyway?
Alan Wil
10-23-2003, 09:42 PM
F1 cars use carbon brakes.
Motorcycles often have stainless rotors.
The plated ones for cars are usually cadmium plated. It works pretty good and wears off where the pads swipe.
Where the hell is Habib anyway?
Ok... Carbon for F1 cars... The point was custom brake discs would cost more than the guy’s car is worth.
Motorcycles often have stainless rotors.
The plated ones for cars are usually cadmium plated. It works pretty good and wears off where the pads swipe.
Where the hell is Habib anyway?
Ok... Carbon for F1 cars... The point was custom brake discs would cost more than the guy’s car is worth.
Alan Wil
10-23-2003, 10:13 PM
I have heard the 91 Integra suspension will fit on our Civics nicely. Also, the slightly different Integra suspension constuction also fixes the common camber issues on a lowered Civic. I think you need more than just the knuckles tho. I would recommend the whole setu including the two control arms, etc.. I am sure someone has more info than I do. All I have is what I've read here.
Lata :smokin:
I have heard the 91 Integra suspension will fit on our Civics nicely. Also, the slightly different Integra suspension constuction also fixes the common camber issues on a lowered Civic. I think you need more than just the knuckles tho. I would recommend the whole setu including the two control arms, etc.. I am sure someone has more info than I do. All I have is what I've read here.
Lata :smokin:
Sastanley, (1,680 posts!)
Dec 2001
Here’s what I “think” I’ve read about using 91 Integra LS suspension parts on a 1990 4th generation Civic DX. Please ask some of your contacts to confirm. I am Especially interested in someone who had a BEFORE, and AFTER PRINT-OUT of the alignment spec!!!!
Front of car
Car lowered about 2 inches (1 degree negative camber for each inch lowered)
Option:
1: Integra knuckles so big brakes can be used. Side benefit is it adds about 2-3 degrees? Positive camber which if helpful if car is lowered: (I’ve read only to use the knuckles themselves. In most case a camber kit is not needed?)
2: Civic (stock) DX/ LX/ or EX knuckles….. car lowered… Use Integra UPPER controls arms to effect a “cheap” camber adjustment (Adds positive camber to compensate for the negative camber caused by lowering the car)
Rear of car lowered about 2 inches :
Car lowered (1 degree negative camber for each inch lowered)
1a: Shim upper control arm out
2a: Use Integra rear upper control arm to add positive camber
PS: One rear of the Civic I’m doing the rear disc conversion using the 91 Integra LS parts. Anyway I can use the LCA… so I use the rear sway bar? I have read the Integra LCA's has a bend to it (Or it may be the Civic one) that causes problems. (Next big thing would be swaybar bracket bolting locations as Civic DX has no rear swaybar.)
Seems like if you're running negative camber on the rear end, and IF the Integra LCA arms were “slightly” shorter due to that bend it would add positive camber to give the car neutral camber. This would be in effect the same thing as using a longer upper control arm as in #2a above.
PS: Heard anything about the Integra steering knuckles messing up the CASTER? Or the height of the knuckles being different than the Civic ones... Which would screw up steering geometry.
Lata :smokin:
I have heard the 91 Integra suspension will fit on our Civics nicely. Also, the slightly different Integra suspension constuction also fixes the common camber issues on a lowered Civic. I think you need more than just the knuckles tho. I would recommend the whole setu including the two control arms, etc.. I am sure someone has more info than I do. All I have is what I've read here.
Lata :smokin:
Sastanley, (1,680 posts!)
Dec 2001
Here’s what I “think” I’ve read about using 91 Integra LS suspension parts on a 1990 4th generation Civic DX. Please ask some of your contacts to confirm. I am Especially interested in someone who had a BEFORE, and AFTER PRINT-OUT of the alignment spec!!!!
Front of car
Car lowered about 2 inches (1 degree negative camber for each inch lowered)
Option:
1: Integra knuckles so big brakes can be used. Side benefit is it adds about 2-3 degrees? Positive camber which if helpful if car is lowered: (I’ve read only to use the knuckles themselves. In most case a camber kit is not needed?)
2: Civic (stock) DX/ LX/ or EX knuckles….. car lowered… Use Integra UPPER controls arms to effect a “cheap” camber adjustment (Adds positive camber to compensate for the negative camber caused by lowering the car)
Rear of car lowered about 2 inches :
Car lowered (1 degree negative camber for each inch lowered)
1a: Shim upper control arm out
2a: Use Integra rear upper control arm to add positive camber
PS: One rear of the Civic I’m doing the rear disc conversion using the 91 Integra LS parts. Anyway I can use the LCA… so I use the rear sway bar? I have read the Integra LCA's has a bend to it (Or it may be the Civic one) that causes problems. (Next big thing would be swaybar bracket bolting locations as Civic DX has no rear swaybar.)
Seems like if you're running negative camber on the rear end, and IF the Integra LCA arms were “slightly” shorter due to that bend it would add positive camber to give the car neutral camber. This would be in effect the same thing as using a longer upper control arm as in #2a above.
PS: Heard anything about the Integra steering knuckles messing up the CASTER? Or the height of the knuckles being different than the Civic ones... Which would screw up steering geometry.
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