Is Saddam kidding?
JD@af
12-08-2002, 01:52 PM
12,000 pages of documentation, "full and complete," that state that Iraq's WMD program has been dismantled? ARE YOU KIDDING???
I could go on about this, but this is such bullshit. It's such a joke the way they go around pissing in our faces. Politics, and in some ways out legal system, is such bullshit, that we are actually going to waste our time "analyzing" all of it, when we've got all that intelligence data supporting not just the continued production, but accelerated preparation of WMD's by Iraq, including enough VX gas to wipe out the entire worlf population (did I really read that correctly?).
In light of this, I am starting to really hope that we stomp that fucker without mercy.
I could go on about this, but this is such bullshit. It's such a joke the way they go around pissing in our faces. Politics, and in some ways out legal system, is such bullshit, that we are actually going to waste our time "analyzing" all of it, when we've got all that intelligence data supporting not just the continued production, but accelerated preparation of WMD's by Iraq, including enough VX gas to wipe out the entire worlf population (did I really read that correctly?).
In light of this, I am starting to really hope that we stomp that fucker without mercy.
YogsVR4
12-09-2002, 03:40 PM
I know he's been pulling the same shit for over a decade now. The appologists for Saddam will be out in short order.
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taranaki
12-10-2002, 04:54 AM
Problem is,nobody can 'dismantle' knowledge.Even if every last bomb,every factory,and whatever else you need to create a 'weapon of mass destruction',you cannot destroy the expertise with which to make them.The only way that you can ever hope to control the manufacture of weapons is to strip away a country's right to heavy industry.You'd have to close their chemical plants,fuel refineries,steel mills, and monitor the country comprehensively until such time as you considered it to be in the hands of a benign leadership.The crude terms for this are 'occupation' and 'puppet government'.It's a marvelous country that has the forsight to enshrine the rights of its people in a cast-iron constitution,but said constitution is meaningless if you are not prepared to believe that foreign nationals should have parity in their rights to freedom.
Occupation of a country is no guarrantee of enduring freedom[to use a wonderfully inept piece of propaganda].Take a look at Poland, or Northern Ireland,or India or any of the hundreds of nations that have endured hostile takeovers.Eventually,the power shifts back into the hands of the citizens of the homeland,and the empire-builders are sent packing.The nationality of the enemy is always of secondary importance behind his deeply held beliefs.The Al Quaeda example is a classic example of a terror organisation based on beliefs with no single country to call home.You cannot fight an enemy like this on a country by country basis any more than you can shovel sand with a garden fork.
The so-called 'war on terror' may well have been started by an act of terrorism,but has developed into a thin excuse to start raiding any country in the world for no other reason than the fact that one day they may choose to act against the U.S.
If it's an end to terrorism the U.S. wants,it should put more effort into supporting the U.N. and start tackling the issue in countries where terrorism is a daily occurence.
Occupation of a country is no guarrantee of enduring freedom[to use a wonderfully inept piece of propaganda].Take a look at Poland, or Northern Ireland,or India or any of the hundreds of nations that have endured hostile takeovers.Eventually,the power shifts back into the hands of the citizens of the homeland,and the empire-builders are sent packing.The nationality of the enemy is always of secondary importance behind his deeply held beliefs.The Al Quaeda example is a classic example of a terror organisation based on beliefs with no single country to call home.You cannot fight an enemy like this on a country by country basis any more than you can shovel sand with a garden fork.
The so-called 'war on terror' may well have been started by an act of terrorism,but has developed into a thin excuse to start raiding any country in the world for no other reason than the fact that one day they may choose to act against the U.S.
If it's an end to terrorism the U.S. wants,it should put more effort into supporting the U.N. and start tackling the issue in countries where terrorism is a daily occurence.
YogsVR4
12-10-2002, 08:03 AM
The so-called 'war on terror' may well have been started by an act of terrorism,but has developed into a thin excuse to start raiding any country in the world for no other reason than the fact that one day they may choose to act against the U.S.
Sorry - but that is the biggest pile of bullshit that I've read in quite some time. Its unsupported, indefensable and subjective. :rolleyes:
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Sorry - but that is the biggest pile of bullshit that I've read in quite some time. Its unsupported, indefensable and subjective. :rolleyes:
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taranaki
12-12-2002, 05:03 AM
Originally posted by YogsVR4
Sorry - but that is the biggest pile of bullshit that I've read in quite some time. Its unsupported, indefensable and subjective. :rolleyes:
It's subjective,I grant you,but A WIDELY HELD VIEW.America's blatant disregard for world opinion is part of the reason that it is considered a legitimate target by terrorists.
Sorry - but that is the biggest pile of bullshit that I've read in quite some time. Its unsupported, indefensable and subjective. :rolleyes:
It's subjective,I grant you,but A WIDELY HELD VIEW.America's blatant disregard for world opinion is part of the reason that it is considered a legitimate target by terrorists.
YogsVR4
12-12-2002, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by taranaki
It's subjective,I grant you,but A WIDELY HELD VIEW.America's blatant disregard for world opinion is part of the reason that it is considered a legitimate target by terrorists.
So? What does that have to do with your statement
has developed into a thin excuse to start raiding any country in the world for no other reason than the fact that one day they may choose to act against the U.S
Thats so much bullshit its amazing someone with half a brain would say it. Americas blatent disregard for world opinion is no different then any other countries disregard for all the other countries opinions. Its just that the US is one of the countries whos opinion really matters. All other countries care what we think - not all care about what New Zealand thinks or Panama or Uruguay or dozens of others.
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It's subjective,I grant you,but A WIDELY HELD VIEW.America's blatant disregard for world opinion is part of the reason that it is considered a legitimate target by terrorists.
So? What does that have to do with your statement
has developed into a thin excuse to start raiding any country in the world for no other reason than the fact that one day they may choose to act against the U.S
Thats so much bullshit its amazing someone with half a brain would say it. Americas blatent disregard for world opinion is no different then any other countries disregard for all the other countries opinions. Its just that the US is one of the countries whos opinion really matters. All other countries care what we think - not all care about what New Zealand thinks or Panama or Uruguay or dozens of others.
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Jimster
12-13-2002, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by YogsVR4
. All other countries care what we think - not all care about what New Zealand thinks or Panama or Uruguay or dozens of others.
Actually you'd be suprised with how much of a voice New Zealand has within the UN- we all know that Yogs loves the UN- don't we folks?? :p
. All other countries care what we think - not all care about what New Zealand thinks or Panama or Uruguay or dozens of others.
Actually you'd be suprised with how much of a voice New Zealand has within the UN- we all know that Yogs loves the UN- don't we folks?? :p
taranaki
12-14-2002, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by YogsVR4
Thats so much bullshit its amazing someone with half a brain would say it. Americas blatent disregard for world opinion is no different then any other countries disregard for all the other countries opinions. Its just that the US is one of the countries whos opinion really matters. All other countries care what we think - not all care about what New Zealand thinks or Panama or Uruguay or dozens of others.
Well......It strikes me as symbolic that the more people critisize your useless shitheaded dickbrained fuckwit of a president,the more you launch into personal attacks on the people involved.To the best of my knowledge,I have never insulted you personally Yogs,but I do I really have to put up with flaming from you because your countries foreign policy is little more than an ordinance-testing regime and your president is a left-over from the Cold War era who shouldn't be left alone in the lunchroom for fear of swallowing his own tongue?anybody with half a brain would laugh at him.
If your constitution means that much to you put up with a bit of free speech.And if your consience means anything to you,vote against the morons who are hell-bent on invading Iraq regardless of whether there is any hard evidence to give grounds for it.And spare me the rhetoric about how wonderful and mighty the US forces are,justice is more than getting your way through violence.
Thats so much bullshit its amazing someone with half a brain would say it. Americas blatent disregard for world opinion is no different then any other countries disregard for all the other countries opinions. Its just that the US is one of the countries whos opinion really matters. All other countries care what we think - not all care about what New Zealand thinks or Panama or Uruguay or dozens of others.
Well......It strikes me as symbolic that the more people critisize your useless shitheaded dickbrained fuckwit of a president,the more you launch into personal attacks on the people involved.To the best of my knowledge,I have never insulted you personally Yogs,but I do I really have to put up with flaming from you because your countries foreign policy is little more than an ordinance-testing regime and your president is a left-over from the Cold War era who shouldn't be left alone in the lunchroom for fear of swallowing his own tongue?anybody with half a brain would laugh at him.
If your constitution means that much to you put up with a bit of free speech.And if your consience means anything to you,vote against the morons who are hell-bent on invading Iraq regardless of whether there is any hard evidence to give grounds for it.And spare me the rhetoric about how wonderful and mighty the US forces are,justice is more than getting your way through violence.
YogsVR4
12-16-2002, 11:23 AM
Sorry Mr. T but freedom of expression is a two way street. I see many individuals here who keep telling me how awful and destructive we are. Well guess what. Sorry that I stand up for our president. Its a wonderful thing that tens of millions of people here voted for him and that he'll be reelected in a couple years.
I question the intelligence of anyone (especially liberals) who like to call people names when they disagree with their politics. You in particular spend time accusing the US and specifically the administration of doing or planning all these horrendous acts. Its without merit and only defended by using stronger and stonger language to describe him.
And spare me the rhetoric about how wonderful and mighty the US forces are,justice is more than getting your way through violence
What wonderful? They do their job. Kill people and break things. Thats their job and they are good at it. If you think this is only about justice then you have a lot to learn. So you too can spare me the tired old "can't we all just get along" fairytale land you seem to be living in.
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I question the intelligence of anyone (especially liberals) who like to call people names when they disagree with their politics. You in particular spend time accusing the US and specifically the administration of doing or planning all these horrendous acts. Its without merit and only defended by using stronger and stonger language to describe him.
And spare me the rhetoric about how wonderful and mighty the US forces are,justice is more than getting your way through violence
What wonderful? They do their job. Kill people and break things. Thats their job and they are good at it. If you think this is only about justice then you have a lot to learn. So you too can spare me the tired old "can't we all just get along" fairytale land you seem to be living in.
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RevHappy Cowboy®
01-06-2003, 03:53 AM
Let's go kill Saddam blah blah blah....it's all about the oil, it was the oil in the Gulf war, it will be the oil in this war, all it ever does is jack up the gasoline prices :mad:
Moppie
01-06-2003, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by RevHappy Cowboy®
Let's go kill Saddam blah blah blah....it's all about the oil, it was the oil in the Gulf war, it will be the oil in this war, all it ever does is jack up the gasoline prices :mad:
Got it in one!
Saddam has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks.
He is a fachist dictator, and hates Muslims more than George bush does, He has suffered from his own terrorist problems, and has made his own war on Islamic terrorism with in Iraq.
The US invasion of Afgansitan and subesquent destruction of the Tele Ban was a legtimate action, motivated by a pretty nasty act.
The potential US invasion of Iraq and the current troop build and propoganda from the US media is all about the Oil. Under international law its pretty Illigetimate and the reaction by most of the worlds governments reflects this.
It has nothing to do with terrorists hiding in Iraq, or Saddum wanting to invade the US (think about it, how the fuck can he, he cant even invade Isreal, or Saudi Ariaba and win).
It has everything to do with Mr Bush wanting to grab as much controll of the worlds oil supplys to benifit both his own personal bank account and power, and increase the economic and plotical power of the US in the face of the rise in power from the EU.
He wants the US to be able to control the worlds oil supply, which if an invasion of Iraq occurs is exactly what will happen.
I dont know about you, but I have a real problem with a single nation of only 250million people telling the rest of the world with its 4+ billion how much oil they can have.
AMERICA HAS NO FUCKING RIGHT TO THINK IT CAN TELL THE REST OF THE WORLD HOW TO LIVE.
Iv said it before and Ill say it again.
If bush is stupid enough to go through with an invasion of Iraq and a take over of the oil contianed with in, then the US will be the new Roman Empire.
And we all know what happened to the Roman empire :devil:
Let's go kill Saddam blah blah blah....it's all about the oil, it was the oil in the Gulf war, it will be the oil in this war, all it ever does is jack up the gasoline prices :mad:
Got it in one!
Saddam has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks.
He is a fachist dictator, and hates Muslims more than George bush does, He has suffered from his own terrorist problems, and has made his own war on Islamic terrorism with in Iraq.
The US invasion of Afgansitan and subesquent destruction of the Tele Ban was a legtimate action, motivated by a pretty nasty act.
The potential US invasion of Iraq and the current troop build and propoganda from the US media is all about the Oil. Under international law its pretty Illigetimate and the reaction by most of the worlds governments reflects this.
It has nothing to do with terrorists hiding in Iraq, or Saddum wanting to invade the US (think about it, how the fuck can he, he cant even invade Isreal, or Saudi Ariaba and win).
It has everything to do with Mr Bush wanting to grab as much controll of the worlds oil supplys to benifit both his own personal bank account and power, and increase the economic and plotical power of the US in the face of the rise in power from the EU.
He wants the US to be able to control the worlds oil supply, which if an invasion of Iraq occurs is exactly what will happen.
I dont know about you, but I have a real problem with a single nation of only 250million people telling the rest of the world with its 4+ billion how much oil they can have.
AMERICA HAS NO FUCKING RIGHT TO THINK IT CAN TELL THE REST OF THE WORLD HOW TO LIVE.
Iv said it before and Ill say it again.
If bush is stupid enough to go through with an invasion of Iraq and a take over of the oil contianed with in, then the US will be the new Roman Empire.
And we all know what happened to the Roman empire :devil:
Moppie
01-06-2003, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by YogsVR4
. Its just that the US is one of the countries whos opinion really matters.
Why does the opinion of the US matter over the opinion of any other country?
What is so great about a such a social and cultural minority that they should have a say over the opinions of a Majority?
Because at the moment only the UK is a strong surporter of Bush.
The rest of the world is either against him or sitting on the Fence.
. Its just that the US is one of the countries whos opinion really matters.
Why does the opinion of the US matter over the opinion of any other country?
What is so great about a such a social and cultural minority that they should have a say over the opinions of a Majority?
Because at the moment only the UK is a strong surporter of Bush.
The rest of the world is either against him or sitting on the Fence.
Jimster
01-06-2003, 04:58 AM
Originally posted by Moppie
Why does the opinion of the US matter over the opinion of any other country?
What is so great about a such a social and cultural minority that they should have a say over the opinions of a Majority?
Because at the moment only the UK is a strong surporter of Bush.
The rest of the world is either against him or sitting on the Fence.
Add little Johnny Howard to the list of supporters- that dumbass is a wannabe Bush- Such a shame as a majority the residents of both the UK and Australia oppose what Bush is doing- Why is it always the idiots left in charge:(
Why does the opinion of the US matter over the opinion of any other country?
What is so great about a such a social and cultural minority that they should have a say over the opinions of a Majority?
Because at the moment only the UK is a strong surporter of Bush.
The rest of the world is either against him or sitting on the Fence.
Add little Johnny Howard to the list of supporters- that dumbass is a wannabe Bush- Such a shame as a majority the residents of both the UK and Australia oppose what Bush is doing- Why is it always the idiots left in charge:(
YogsVR4
01-06-2003, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Moppie
Why does the opinion of the US matter over the opinion of any other country?
What is so great about a such a social and cultural minority that they should have a say over the opinions of a Majority?
Because at the moment only the UK is a strong surporter of Bush.
The rest of the world is either against him or sitting on the Fence.
I said it was one that matters. Countries with money, economic potential and military power will always matter more then those with less of any. It may not be fair, but that is the way its been.
As for the rest of the world being against him, there are more counties then just the UK. I dont want to write a bullet list, but wouldn't Isreal count? Or are you saying only countries that you like dont agree with him.
As for "Saddam has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks." I'm glad Mr. T has that information and he is willing to share it with the rest of us
:rolleyes: Controlling Iraq does not control the worlds oil supply. The Saudis and the Russians have the largest reserves - not Iraq.
Thank god Bush is in office. Among other reasons, he makes the extreme leftists in the world (communits and socialist) whine and cry like little babies. :finger:
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Why does the opinion of the US matter over the opinion of any other country?
What is so great about a such a social and cultural minority that they should have a say over the opinions of a Majority?
Because at the moment only the UK is a strong surporter of Bush.
The rest of the world is either against him or sitting on the Fence.
I said it was one that matters. Countries with money, economic potential and military power will always matter more then those with less of any. It may not be fair, but that is the way its been.
As for the rest of the world being against him, there are more counties then just the UK. I dont want to write a bullet list, but wouldn't Isreal count? Or are you saying only countries that you like dont agree with him.
As for "Saddam has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks." I'm glad Mr. T has that information and he is willing to share it with the rest of us
:rolleyes: Controlling Iraq does not control the worlds oil supply. The Saudis and the Russians have the largest reserves - not Iraq.
Thank god Bush is in office. Among other reasons, he makes the extreme leftists in the world (communits and socialist) whine and cry like little babies. :finger:
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Moppie
01-06-2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by YogsVR4
Thank god Bush is in office. Among other reasons, he makes the extreme leftists in the world (communits and socialist) whine and cry like little babies. :finger:
Are you accusing me of being an extrem leftist? :finger: :p :p
And once Bush controls Iraq he will find it very easy to controll the rest of the middle east, and from there a large enough chunk of the worlds oil reserves to be able to dictate how the world market works.
Remember the US has its own damn large oil reserves, they just choose to rape the rest of the world first.
And to say its OK for the US to try and controll the world because they are the biggest bully and tough if its not fair, but then get all up set and demand justice and scream its not fair when the US gets attacked by terrorists is not only Hypocritical, but also very imature.
Go watch 10 year olds playing in school, they practice exactly the same sort of narrow minded self centered pollotics.
Being the biggest still dosn't give the US the right to tell the rest of the world how to behave, and niether does a justifcation based on History.
At the moment only the UK, Australia and the US state of Israel surport any invasion of Iraq. And the general populations of all 3 countrys oppose it. There have been enough polls conducted to show that the leaders of all 3 nataions are acting against the will of the majority.
The EU is about to come along and tell the US where to stick it.
When fully combined it will be the biggest bully on the block in terms of ecomomic power, and the US will no longer be number 1.
Bush and his croonies know this, and are looking for a way to either stop it, (notice the UK keeps holding back on accepting the Euro) or controll the beast when its fully grown.
Having controll over the middle easts oil reserves (with polotical surport of Saudi Ariaba, and conquest of Iraq) would do this. The US would be able to dictate the price of oil, to the rest of the world, while supplying itself at a low price.
Capitalist America in its current "we are the greatest and you will all either follow us, or be raped by us" attitude is not sustianable.
I just hope enough patriotic Consumerists are alive when it collapses for me to say "I told you so"
I dare anyone here to deny that any invasion of Iraq is motivated by Oil. (and mean it when you say it)
Thank god Bush is in office. Among other reasons, he makes the extreme leftists in the world (communits and socialist) whine and cry like little babies. :finger:
Are you accusing me of being an extrem leftist? :finger: :p :p
And once Bush controls Iraq he will find it very easy to controll the rest of the middle east, and from there a large enough chunk of the worlds oil reserves to be able to dictate how the world market works.
Remember the US has its own damn large oil reserves, they just choose to rape the rest of the world first.
And to say its OK for the US to try and controll the world because they are the biggest bully and tough if its not fair, but then get all up set and demand justice and scream its not fair when the US gets attacked by terrorists is not only Hypocritical, but also very imature.
Go watch 10 year olds playing in school, they practice exactly the same sort of narrow minded self centered pollotics.
Being the biggest still dosn't give the US the right to tell the rest of the world how to behave, and niether does a justifcation based on History.
At the moment only the UK, Australia and the US state of Israel surport any invasion of Iraq. And the general populations of all 3 countrys oppose it. There have been enough polls conducted to show that the leaders of all 3 nataions are acting against the will of the majority.
The EU is about to come along and tell the US where to stick it.
When fully combined it will be the biggest bully on the block in terms of ecomomic power, and the US will no longer be number 1.
Bush and his croonies know this, and are looking for a way to either stop it, (notice the UK keeps holding back on accepting the Euro) or controll the beast when its fully grown.
Having controll over the middle easts oil reserves (with polotical surport of Saudi Ariaba, and conquest of Iraq) would do this. The US would be able to dictate the price of oil, to the rest of the world, while supplying itself at a low price.
Capitalist America in its current "we are the greatest and you will all either follow us, or be raped by us" attitude is not sustianable.
I just hope enough patriotic Consumerists are alive when it collapses for me to say "I told you so"
I dare anyone here to deny that any invasion of Iraq is motivated by Oil. (and mean it when you say it)
Steel
01-07-2003, 12:51 AM
gas prices are already rediculous enough. grr. Oh well, maybe if they skyrocket some more, there wont be as many damn explorers/expeditions/excursions and other gas guzzling suvvies out there.
taranaki
01-07-2003, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by YogsVR4
As for "Saddam has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks." I'm glad Mr. T has that information and he is willing to share it with the rest of us
:rolleyes:
Care to put up one single shred of evidence to connect them?I don't think you can,but it won't stop you from trying.
So far I see little support on AF for your xenophobic,irrational and antisocial point of view.Maybe you are one of the few Bush supporters who is literate?
How many people will it take to convince you that this campaign is about oil and votes?Bush would be unemployed come next election if he wasn't pulling these half-assed propaganda stunts.
As for "Saddam has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks." I'm glad Mr. T has that information and he is willing to share it with the rest of us
:rolleyes:
Care to put up one single shred of evidence to connect them?I don't think you can,but it won't stop you from trying.
So far I see little support on AF for your xenophobic,irrational and antisocial point of view.Maybe you are one of the few Bush supporters who is literate?
How many people will it take to convince you that this campaign is about oil and votes?Bush would be unemployed come next election if he wasn't pulling these half-assed propaganda stunts.
Oz
01-07-2003, 07:35 PM
Bush is a narrow minded, short-sighted excuse for a political stunt. 'Maybe I can finish Daddy's war...':rolleyes:
Reasons Bush wants war - to continue what Dad started, to try and get a better oil price out of OPEC, to win votes/supporters with 'vengence on terrorists/bad Iraqis making big weapons', big money maker for goverment/heavy industry, HE CAN.
Yogs - I cannot see why you beleive what you do, and can't see a logical path to your argument. However, I respect your opinion and your right to free speech.
Naki - Agreed. Nuff said.
Anyone with an IQ of 92 and enough money to buy his way into office won't get the time of day from me.
Reasons Bush wants war - to continue what Dad started, to try and get a better oil price out of OPEC, to win votes/supporters with 'vengence on terrorists/bad Iraqis making big weapons', big money maker for goverment/heavy industry, HE CAN.
Yogs - I cannot see why you beleive what you do, and can't see a logical path to your argument. However, I respect your opinion and your right to free speech.
Naki - Agreed. Nuff said.
Anyone with an IQ of 92 and enough money to buy his way into office won't get the time of day from me.
whttrshpunk
01-08-2003, 02:37 PM
Bush is a narrow minded, short-sighted excuse for a political stunt. 'Maybe I can finish Daddy's war...'
Unfounded opinion.
Reasons Bush wants war - to continue what Dad started, to try and get a better oil price out of OPEC, to win votes/supporters with 'vengence on terrorists/bad Iraqis making big weapons', big money maker for goverment/heavy industry, HE CAN
Unfounded opinion. Most things I say are unfounded opinions too, glad to see I'm not alone.
Yogs - I cannot see why you beleive what you do, and can't see a logical path to your argument. However, I respect your opinion and your right to free speech.
Good, it's hard to have a debate when it's really just someone preaching at you and telling you you're wrong. :)
I'm with Yogs, right wingers unite! Oh and just remember, all right wingers and gun owners and usually mentally defecient, if you argue with us long enough we'll just shoot you and then blow up a building. Well, at least that's what they said on TV :D
Unfounded opinion.
Reasons Bush wants war - to continue what Dad started, to try and get a better oil price out of OPEC, to win votes/supporters with 'vengence on terrorists/bad Iraqis making big weapons', big money maker for goverment/heavy industry, HE CAN
Unfounded opinion. Most things I say are unfounded opinions too, glad to see I'm not alone.
Yogs - I cannot see why you beleive what you do, and can't see a logical path to your argument. However, I respect your opinion and your right to free speech.
Good, it's hard to have a debate when it's really just someone preaching at you and telling you you're wrong. :)
I'm with Yogs, right wingers unite! Oh and just remember, all right wingers and gun owners and usually mentally defecient, if you argue with us long enough we'll just shoot you and then blow up a building. Well, at least that's what they said on TV :D
Oz
01-08-2003, 08:00 PM
Unfounded Opinion, but anyone with an IQ>Bush can see the truth to it. Nuff said. I leave this thread to the right wingers in disgust.
taranaki
01-08-2003, 08:08 PM
Maybe if Bush wants Iraq that badly he should lead from the front.That way, if he died,the rednecks would have their hero,and the world would be a beter place.Or maybe someone should........
http://www.evilninja.net/buybush.htm
Oh...somebody already did.:silly2: :silly2: :silly2:
http://www.evilninja.net/buybush.htm
Oh...somebody already did.:silly2: :silly2: :silly2:
jon@af
01-08-2003, 10:21 PM
Am I mistaken or did we(the United States) not have the chance to kill saddam when big Bush was the prez? didnt Norman Schwartzkopf (SP?) want to get rid of him? didnt big Bush say no?
I-Tech
01-09-2003, 04:02 PM
I think you should remove Saddam from his power and regime.. That way we could stop his tyranni
Jetts
01-09-2003, 04:08 PM
all u people fight over what country is better and shit, but i will quote my world history teacher on this one
"Yankee go home, but take me with you" -Dumitrache
thats all i got to say
"Yankee go home, but take me with you" -Dumitrache
thats all i got to say
igor@af
01-09-2003, 04:25 PM
I began reading this thread, but due to its extensive length did not read all of it.
But I think I could add some things to the discussion.
Here is my opinion-
I think that Bush is an idiot, and I still cannot believe that he was elected president of the most powerful country. There are two kinds of presidents, IQ intelligent and street intelligent.
You should read this page written by a very smart historian - Joe Ellis who I respect very much for his works, such as Founding Brothers, and his opinions of the current American state.
http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/fallows/jf2001-01-17/ellis2.htm
3rd paragraph begins talking about the attributes that presidents have had, and should have, etc.
Second, there is a kind of intelligence that will not show up on IQ or SAT scores that has historically proven most efficacious in the executive office. It is the capacity to distinguish between the forests and the trees, the arteries and the capillaries, the strategy and the tactics. Washington, Lincoln, and both Roosevelts had it. Isaiah Berlin, the great British political philosopher, described it as the difference between the hedgehog and the fox. The fox knows many little things. The hedgehog knows one big thing. (Of course, it goes without saying that the one big thing you know had better be right.) My sense is that this is a mental skill or talent that can be learned but cannot be taught. Washington learned it during those eight long years leading the Continental Army. John Adams and Harry Truman learned it from reading history. Benjamin Franklin seems to have been born with it. Engineers like Hoover and Carter almost always lack it. The supporters of George W. Bush want us to believe that he acquired it as a cheerleader at Andover and a fraternity man at Yale. We'll see.
Bush is neither smart in the usual way we percieve it - grades and test scores, nor is he street smart - not knowing foreign political leader names clearly shows that - he has no clue what is happening around him.
Now moving on to the current American foreign policy-
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=%2F030107%2F7%2F2zkyx.html
http://www.sunspot.net/news/custom/iraq/bal-te.iraq09jan09,0,3861012.story
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010803A.wrp.facts.htm
And if you totally ignored my post, I ask you that you at least read this one editorial:
http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story142267.html
If after reading this one you still believe that what is happening today in our world is all 'good and fine' then there must be something extremely wrong with your thought process :)
But I think I could add some things to the discussion.
Here is my opinion-
I think that Bush is an idiot, and I still cannot believe that he was elected president of the most powerful country. There are two kinds of presidents, IQ intelligent and street intelligent.
You should read this page written by a very smart historian - Joe Ellis who I respect very much for his works, such as Founding Brothers, and his opinions of the current American state.
http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/fallows/jf2001-01-17/ellis2.htm
3rd paragraph begins talking about the attributes that presidents have had, and should have, etc.
Second, there is a kind of intelligence that will not show up on IQ or SAT scores that has historically proven most efficacious in the executive office. It is the capacity to distinguish between the forests and the trees, the arteries and the capillaries, the strategy and the tactics. Washington, Lincoln, and both Roosevelts had it. Isaiah Berlin, the great British political philosopher, described it as the difference between the hedgehog and the fox. The fox knows many little things. The hedgehog knows one big thing. (Of course, it goes without saying that the one big thing you know had better be right.) My sense is that this is a mental skill or talent that can be learned but cannot be taught. Washington learned it during those eight long years leading the Continental Army. John Adams and Harry Truman learned it from reading history. Benjamin Franklin seems to have been born with it. Engineers like Hoover and Carter almost always lack it. The supporters of George W. Bush want us to believe that he acquired it as a cheerleader at Andover and a fraternity man at Yale. We'll see.
Bush is neither smart in the usual way we percieve it - grades and test scores, nor is he street smart - not knowing foreign political leader names clearly shows that - he has no clue what is happening around him.
Now moving on to the current American foreign policy-
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=%2F030107%2F7%2F2zkyx.html
http://www.sunspot.net/news/custom/iraq/bal-te.iraq09jan09,0,3861012.story
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010803A.wrp.facts.htm
And if you totally ignored my post, I ask you that you at least read this one editorial:
http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story142267.html
If after reading this one you still believe that what is happening today in our world is all 'good and fine' then there must be something extremely wrong with your thought process :)
Melt
01-09-2003, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by Steel
gas prices are already rediculous enough. grr. Oh well, maybe if they skyrocket some more, there wont be as many damn explorers/expeditions/excursions and other gas guzzling suvvies out there.
Haa, has anyone seen those new commercials yet where they say buying gas for your SUV supports terroism?
Anyway, back on topic ... While I agree that the US gets involved in too much shit that we shouldnt, the terroist attacks on 9-11 should not be held as an example of this.
The terroist attacks happened because of a bunch of fucking morons think that everyone should practice their religion and they do not agree with our freedom of religion as it is in our constitution. So by killing us, they think we will conform which is BS.
Sorry if this post sounds lame, im only 18 and havent really had time to formulate much of an opionion on politics, aside from agreeing with radio talk show host michael savage about the damn liberals fucking all our shit up.
gas prices are already rediculous enough. grr. Oh well, maybe if they skyrocket some more, there wont be as many damn explorers/expeditions/excursions and other gas guzzling suvvies out there.
Haa, has anyone seen those new commercials yet where they say buying gas for your SUV supports terroism?
Anyway, back on topic ... While I agree that the US gets involved in too much shit that we shouldnt, the terroist attacks on 9-11 should not be held as an example of this.
The terroist attacks happened because of a bunch of fucking morons think that everyone should practice their religion and they do not agree with our freedom of religion as it is in our constitution. So by killing us, they think we will conform which is BS.
Sorry if this post sounds lame, im only 18 and havent really had time to formulate much of an opionion on politics, aside from agreeing with radio talk show host michael savage about the damn liberals fucking all our shit up.
Ran
01-18-2003, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by RevHappy Cowboy®
Let's go kill Saddam blah blah blah....it's all about the oil, it was the oil in the Gulf war, it will be the oil in this war, all it ever does is jack up the gasoline prices :mad:
write man!!! we will kill sadam just like this:badass:
Let's go kill Saddam blah blah blah....it's all about the oil, it was the oil in the Gulf war, it will be the oil in this war, all it ever does is jack up the gasoline prices :mad:
write man!!! we will kill sadam just like this:badass:
Oz
01-18-2003, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by 123
write man!!! we will kill sadam just like this:badass:
:rolleyes:
Fuck off idiot
write man!!! we will kill sadam just like this:badass:
:rolleyes:
Fuck off idiot
Ran
01-18-2003, 05:01 AM
whats the problem?:confused:
taranaki
01-20-2003, 12:35 AM
Problem is, you are making dumb statements.
The world does not need any more armchair generals.It's bad enough that a man of such limited IQ has ended up as President of the U.S. without every half-witted redneck jumping on the war wagon.
The world does not need any more armchair generals.It's bad enough that a man of such limited IQ has ended up as President of the U.S. without every half-witted redneck jumping on the war wagon.
Ran
01-20-2003, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by taranaki
Problem is, you are making dumb statements.
The world does not need any more armchair generals.It's bad enough that a man of such limited IQ has ended up as President of the U.S. without every half-witted redneck jumping on the war wagon.
ok thats your thought.....
Problem is, you are making dumb statements.
The world does not need any more armchair generals.It's bad enough that a man of such limited IQ has ended up as President of the U.S. without every half-witted redneck jumping on the war wagon.
ok thats your thought.....
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