hey im new

:eek2: I hate to say this, but this thread reminds me exactly of that .gif that SL put up in the OT thread :lol:


Oh, and Poly, I think that the "CIA" can make up plenty of stuff :wink:

*edit* oh yeah, Welcome to AF!

i know that a CIA doesnt do much. i was being sarcastic. my friend has a 97 accord(same one that f'd the motor and tranny) with an intake. it's auto...he still lost to my neon(and i had only a 3spd auto.

and yes the CIA can make up tonnes of shit

CAI really can make a difference because some manufacturers create very restrictive intakes, and an aftermaket one usually frees up a lot mroe airflow, but with out platform the mitsubishi intake box is pretty well designed for its time, so even an aftermarket CAI will give you at most 2-3 hp.

eh idc, i could all the mods in this world to my car, it's still not going anywhere w/o a clutch. tho i dont do mods to my cars other than audio

Oh, and Poly, I think that the "CIA" can make up plenty of stuff :wink:

:p

Sometimes I type so fast that I end typing some things lysdexic.....

CAI really can make a difference because some manufacturers create very restrictive intakes, and an aftermaket one usually frees up a lot mroe airflow, but with out platform the mitsubishi intake box is pretty well designed for its time, so even an aftermarket CAI will give you at most 2-3 hp.

The most you could possibly see out of an intake would be about 20HP. That would mostly likely be on a high flowing N/A engine with a restrictive stock intake.

Most cars will see about 5HP at the most. That's not a lot IMO.

Here is the thing.. Just an intake Will do hardly anything (like what you all are saying) However If you do other mods It incresses.. like stock boost on a VR4 with an intake will add ,lets just say, 5HP... ok now throw on a downpipe and gut the cats.. the intake just added 3-8hp on top of the 5 it had before (the downpipe also added power but where not counting that) then you turn the boost up to 15 psi... the intake just got more 2-6 hp on top of what it was before!...
I mean jump down the line lets say I dont go speed density and I leave my stock intake on the car and I am running 30psi... dino that and put on a intake and you will for sure get more then 20hp

Jason

my cousin made a CAI for his mercury grand marquis(dont ask y) he gained according to a b4 and after dyno run 5hp..not bad. granted still only 200hp in a like 2tonne car

hey i know this doesent have anything 2 do with your question, but i,m goin crazy tryin 2 find out how 2 post a message on this forum. after tryin 4 hrs. i thought i,d just try askin someone..sorry 4 the disturbince.

I am not telling you to search.. its just the only thing I had on this computer.. haha you click on the part I have Xed out

Jason


http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e165/jason_bet/search.jpg

god that's seriosuly the best picture i've ever seen

i read about people making ram airs from stock air boxes.. how do they do that? cut a hole in the box, ram a tube into it and tape up the edges? that's all i can gather from the description.

i read about people making ram airs from stock air boxes.. how do they do that? cut a hole in the box, ram a tube into it and tape up the edges? that's all i can gather from the description.

well, on a turbo, ram air doesnt really do anything. your getting whatever PSI the turbo can hold into the intake regaurdless. The only benefit would be the decreased temp.

but on a n/a youll probably notice a little difference. The way i would do it would be to run plumbing to where the passenger intercooler is on a turbo. You can probably modify the tube that comes off the box stock.

well, on a turbo, ram air doesnt really do anything. your getting whatever PSI the turbo can hold into the intake regaurdless. The only benefit would be the decreased temp.

I would dissagree.. It's like putting a cold air intake on a turboed car.. Its not going to help any.. as soon as the air reaches the turbo Its going to get hella hot...

Jason

I hate to break it to you but cold air intakes on turbo cars are beneficial, even though the turbo makes the air "hella hot".

The change in temp is going to be basically the same, but if you start out with cooler air, you end up with cooler air.

I hate to break it to you but cold air intakes on turbo cars are beneficial, even though the turbo makes the air "hella hot".

The change in temp is going to be basically the same, but if you start out with cooler air, you end up with cooler air.

While I do agree with you about the fact that turbo-charged cars can benefit from an intake but I don't think the increase would be as dramatic as an N/A car. Also, the air charge would NOT basically be the same temp. Air going straight into a throttle body will be a lot cooler than air hitting a turbo that can spin at over 100,000 RPM. You do know that turbos will glow red when being pushed much like a set of headers. Engines run at "roughly" 200° F while EGT can be anywhere between 1,000° to 1,600° F.

Big difference. That's why we have intercoolers.

I hate to break it to you but cold air intakes on turbo cars are beneficial, even though the turbo makes the air "hella hot".

The change in temp is going to be basically the same, but if you start out with cooler air, you end up with cooler air.

Sure if you are driving around not getting on it at all then sure you might have cooler air But if you are on it (witch is the point of having the upgrades IMO) The turbo is going to be hot like polly said around 1000°.. 10° cooler air is not going to make a differance..

Jason

this is all i've gotta say/ask. how did we go from hey i'm new to talking about turbo's and ram airs?

btw the 300zx had a limited ram air intake on the turbos, added 20hp...i think. i know they had ram air, not sure of the power it added

this is all i've gotta say/ask. how did we go from hey i'm new to talking about turbo's and ram airs?

btw the 300zx had a limited ram air intake on the turbos, added 20hp...i think. i know they had ram air, not sure of the power it added

Not 20HP. :wink:

Yeah... deffenetly not 20hp..

this is all i've gotta say/ask. how did we go from hey i'm new to talking about turbo's and ram airs?

well you all were talking about cold air intakes, and i was curious about the ram air. i was wondering why people say they have ram air with the box.. to me it would make the most sense to get like a cone filter and run tubing from somewhere into the filter. not the box.

so, i guess it's a little off topic, yet still pertains to the "air intake" subject started on page 5.

so i dont really know if im asking this right- but how do you tell what is going to make a difference in the temperature with any of the mods you do? like is there a certain temperature i dunno, bottom platform i guess, that you want to be at?
never mind jason is telling me my question doesnt make sense and i dont know how to ask it

ok, not 20hp, i wonder if it really did nething.

so i dont really know if im asking this right- but how do you tell what is going to make a difference in the temperature with any of the mods you do? like is there a certain temperature i dunno, bottom platform i guess, that you want to be at?
never mind jason is telling me my question doesnt make sense and i dont know how to ask it

hes right, that really didnt make sense:wink: Feel free to regroup and restate it though!

so i dont really know if im asking this right- but how do you tell what is going to make a difference in the temperature with any of the mods you do? like is there a certain temperature i dunno, bottom platform i guess, that you want to be at?
never mind jason is telling me my question doesnt make sense and i dont know how to ask it

no, not really a specific temperature you wanna be at...just 'the colder the better'.

if you were to Dyno a car 100*, then Dyno it at 60*, the 60* dyno will show a power increase. (all other things staying the same).

colder air is denser, meaning you can fit more air into a cylinder, meaning the ECU will give give more fuel to the cylinder, meaning more power.

thats the basic idea of a CAI. It tries to intake air from outside (~80*) instead of the air in the engine compartment (~160*)
(temps just for the sake or argument)

(this is also why there are systems that spray cold water on the intercooler, and part of the reason nitrous oxide adds power)

hes right, that really didnt make sense:wink: Feel free to regroup and restate it though!

lol k i got it. how do you know if a mod is worth it? or how do you measure if its going to be worth it? for example you guys are talking about an intake, what makes the intake worth getting? if it makes is 10 degrees cooler is it worth getting or if it makes it 60 degrees cooler is it worth it? wheres the line? im sure a lot of it is personal preference tho

well, you just want it to flow as freely as possible and try to take air from outside rather than the engine bay. Thats the idea of this
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2257000-2257999/2257593_41_full.jpg
it kind of walls off the hot air from the engine bay.

as far as being 'worth it' or not...i guess that depends on your budget and mod level.

well, you just want it to flow as freely as possible and try to take air from outside rather than the engine bay. Thats the idea of this
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2257000-2257999/2257593_41_full.jpg
it kind of walls off the hot air from the engine bay.

as far as being 'worth it' or not...i guess that depends on your budget and mod level.

Yeah, for $90 you might be able to gain 8-10HP from that and a K&N. I planned on buying one.

you could probably net the same thing with an ebay intake and a bent piece of aluminum...just may not look as nice.

if you want the measurements of that air box let me know. If i could do it all over again i would definitely buy the FIPK, but make my own air box and cut out a sweet mitsu emblem in the top where the plexi is.

like my zip-tie holding my MAS harness in? lol...stupid broken clip...

you could probably net the same thing with an ebay intake and a bent piece of aluminum...just may not look as nice.

if you want the measurements of that air box let me know. If i could do it all over again i would definitely buy the FIPK, but make my own air box and cut out a sweet mitsu emblem in the top where the plexi is.

like my zip-tie holding my MAS harness in? lol...stupid broken clip...

hm, ya know i could probably get you a piece of plexi with the mitsubishi emblem embossed in it that you could just replace that one with....

hm, ya know i could probably get you a piece of plexi with the mitsubishi emblem embossed in it that you could just replace that one with....

...O RLY? any more info on that??

...O RLY? any more info on that??

sure, well first off plexiglas is just a name brand its actually called acrylic. how easy is it to take that piece out?

its just held to the aluminum with double sided tape. I just have to loosen the MAF so i can get at it.

cool. well if you want to it ill do it for $15 id just need you to send me that piece so i can use it as a template, id send it back to you with the new piece.

sounds good to me...but what if i just give you the dimensions?

the hole is 7" on the bottom and right side, 5.5" on the top, and 6.75" on the left diagonal side

.....................5 1/2
..............----------------
............./.....................|
............/......................|
.........../.......................|
.6 3/4../........................|
........./........HOLE..........|...7
......../..........................|
......./...........................|
....../__________________|
....................7

so if you just add 2" to each dimension, that will give me an inch on each side to tape it.


.....................7 1/2
..............----------------
............./.....................|
............/......................|
.........../.......................|
.8 3/4../........................|
........./........HOLE..........|...9
......../..........................|
......./...........................|
....../__________________|
....................9

sorry...had to use all the periods because AF kept collapsing all my damn blueprints...lol

Ideally, i think i'd want the mitsu symbol about 4 1/2" on a side, as close to centered as possible. I should have a little room to jockey it around to where it needs to be.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e165/jason_bet/blink-drawing.gif
like this?

what if u had that air box with the "viper hood" that routes air to the box? would that increase hp, b/c that's litterally as good of pure cold air as u will get.

boostedchick: yea, exactly like that! lol. You may notice something funny about the dimensions. the diagonal side is shorter than the opposite strait side, and you would think it would be longer. This is becasue the angle where the two 7" sides meet is actually a little less than 90*. Its close enough where it wont make a differentce though.

Can you like...engrave/etch the symbol on the underside of the acrylic instead of print/paint it...so it sort of looks 'frosted'?

either way, im definitely still interested! looks pretty badass! :icon16: you should show one to Ultimate Performance after your done and sell the idea to them...lol

vecror: yea, i can see that maybe giving an hp or 2, like anything that lowers intake temps. but, like with all intake modifications, the power you ger really depends on your other mods.

While I do agree with you about the fact that turbo-charged cars can benefit from an intake but I don't think the increase would be as dramatic as an N/A car. Also, the air charge would NOT basically be the same temp. Air going straight into a throttle body will be a lot cooler than air hitting a turbo that can spin at over 100,000 RPM. You do know that turbos will glow red when being pushed much like a set of headers. Engines run at "roughly" 200° F while EGT can be anywhere between 1,000° to 1,600° F.

Big difference. That's why we have intercoolers.

1. Its good to know that you don't think the increase will be as dramatic as an N/A car, but in reality it should be equal to or better than an NA car

2. I never said the air charge going in would be the same temp as the air coming out of the turbo. What I said was cooler air going in leads to cooler air coming out. So if you are taking in 100* air and the turbo adds 100* to the air then you end up with 200* air. If you drop the intake air down to 70* the turbo won't have to work as hard to achieve the same pressure, so the additional temp would be less than before and you would have a difference of more than 30*(lower) in air temp coming out of the turbo.

3. The temp increase coming from the turbo has almost nothing to do with the RPM's of the turbo or EGT's through the turbo. The added temperature comes almost completely from the air being compressed.

4. Your engine runs at many different temperatures depending on where you are looking. So saying that your engine runs at 200* isn't quite accurate since that is merely the temp of your coolant. Also something to note, since you are under the impression that the intake air gets heated by the exhaust going through the turbo: The CHRA on the turbo is oil cooled. The oil spends far more time,per volume, in the turbo than air does by orders of magnitude. If the oil was to go over 250-260* it would break down extremely quickly, and need to be replaced.

hey where did that plastic heat cover come from?? i want one.

boostedchick: yea, exactly like that! lol. You may notice something funny about the dimensions. the diagonal side is shorter than the opposite strait side, and you would think it would be longer. This is becasue the angle where the two 7" sides meet is actually a little less than 90*. Its close enough where it wont make a differentce though.

Can you like...engrave/etch the symbol on the underside of the acrylic instead of print/paint it...so it sort of looks 'frosted'?

either way, im definitely still interested! looks pretty badass! :icon16: you should show one to Ultimate Performance after your done and sell the idea to them...lol


ooh yeah i like that idea- thats easier then i was thinking actually. when i said embossed i should have explained that i was thinking of heating the plastic and pulling it down over a mold of the emblem so it would stick up like 2 inches from the surface of the plastic but i dunno how much room you have above so it might not have worked anyway. ill just sand the plastic to do a frosted look. how thick is that material? or how thick do you want it?

hey where did that plastic heat cover come from?? i want one.

well i dont know where blink got his, but i run a plastics business thats why i can custom the piece he wants...

Joce... at work and on AF.. shame shame.. haha I new you would get hooked

Jason

it does say on top of the welcome page...may become addicting(or something like that)

hey where did that plastic heat cover come from?? i want one.

the box is aluminum. i got it from Ultimate Performance...but i would save your money and make your own. It needed to be modified anyways to fit.

ooh yeah i like that idea- thats easier then i was thinking actually. when i said embossed i should have explained that i was thinking of heating the plastic and pulling it down over a mold of the emblem so it would stick up like 2 inches from the surface of the plastic but i dunno how much room you have above so it might not have worked anyway. ill just sand the plastic to do a frosted look. how thick is that material? or how thick do you want it?

yea, i definitely dont have clearance for anything that sticks up. my hood actually touches the box already. I believe it's 1/8", but it may be 3/16". either will work.
For the emblem...your talking about leaving the rest clear and just having the emblem 'sanded', right? can you do it on the underside, so the top remains smooth?

if you need to change your price because it's more work than you originally thought, just let me know.

the box is aluminum. i got it from Ultimate Performance...but i would save your money and make your own. It needed to be modified anyways to fit.



yea, i definitely dont have clearance for anything that sticks up. my hood actually touches the box already. I believe it's 1/8", but it may be 3/16". either will work.
For the emblem...your talking about leaving the rest clear and just having the emblem 'sanded', right? can you do it on the underside, so the top remains smooth?

if you need to change your price because it's more work than you originally thought, just let me know.

oh ok, and yeah i can do it on the underside no problem. we will be closed all next week tho so ill see if i can start on it tomorrow and at least get it going...

there's no rush on it at all.

do you have Paypal?

[quote=boostedchick]oh ok, and yeah i can do it on the underside no problem. quote]


you can do it on the underside eh?


sorry i have my days to b a smart ass, this is one of em...

yea that was pretty corny i must say vector^^ lol

there's no rush on it at all.

do you have Paypal?

nah but jason does, you can just send it to him-i dont really know how much its worth til after ive done it since its a first, im comfortable with upping it to 18, ill need your shipping address tho if you want to mesage it to me.

[quote=boostedchick]oh ok, and yeah i can do it on the underside no problem. quote]


you can do it on the underside eh?


sorry i have my days to b a smart ass, this is one of em...


hahahahaha oh the things i'd like to say back to that, ill stick with- jason is the only one that could hit that position. jk, but i understand why you have that signature now.

YEAH!! haha I can do things with my body NO ONE should be able to do!

Jason

Hahaha

[quote=vectorspecialist]


hahahahaha oh the things i'd like to say back to that, ill stick with- jason is the only one that could hit that position. jk, but i understand why you have that signature now.


cause one of my gf's died in a car accident when i was a senior in high school...guess jason told u.

no i like to joke about that kind of stuff...ask ne1 here