Will it suffice?
CanuckCRX
12-07-2002, 09:23 PM
currently im running 2 10" type S single voice coil subs on a fosgate 200M amp, and it runs pretty good
BUT
i can pick up a 10" type R duel voice coil sub from my buddy, he payed like 250 (can $), he used it a month, and givin it to me for 100 (can$)
now my question, if i run the type R alone, and get rid of the S's, will the 200M suffice, and will it pump pretty good?
ive heard the difference in SVC and DVC, thats why i want this speaker so bad
BUT
i can pick up a 10" type R duel voice coil sub from my buddy, he payed like 250 (can $), he used it a month, and givin it to me for 100 (can$)
now my question, if i run the type R alone, and get rid of the S's, will the 200M suffice, and will it pump pretty good?
ive heard the difference in SVC and DVC, thats why i want this speaker so bad
PaulD
12-08-2002, 10:52 AM
the only REAL difference in SVC and DVC is connection options. 2 DVC's can be wired for a 1 ohm load, unfortunately you will most likely smoke that RF amp. RF amps do NOT like low impedances like that.
CanuckCRX
12-08-2002, 01:10 PM
well, at the shop the guy showed me the type S, then switched to the R's, and it was a very noticable difference in sound, you get more pump out of em
PaulD
12-08-2002, 05:49 PM
ok, type R and type S are actually two different speakers. but there are LOTS of ways to to make one speaker soudn much better than all the others. I guess you really need to listen to them in YOUR car to decide
delsolsi
12-08-2002, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by CanuckCRX
well, at the shop the guy showed me the type S, then switched to the R's, and it was a very noticable difference in sound, you get more pump out of em
They are different speakers in different boxes. The number of voice coils has nothing to do with the difference your hearing. Its all about the different box and different sub.
well, at the shop the guy showed me the type S, then switched to the R's, and it was a very noticable difference in sound, you get more pump out of em
They are different speakers in different boxes. The number of voice coils has nothing to do with the difference your hearing. Its all about the different box and different sub.
CanuckCRX
12-09-2002, 01:08 AM
they were in identical boxes, so that has no effect at all,
and i know they're different speakers, but what im saying is the R's sound so much better than the S's. the dual voice coils do make a difference, trust me, your getting more amperage pumped into the speaker than you would with a single coil thus creating a better thump, if thats not the reason for it, please go ahead and set me straight, because why would a company like alpine add another coil for no reason at all other than to say "wow, 2 coils"
and i know they're different speakers, but what im saying is the R's sound so much better than the S's. the dual voice coils do make a difference, trust me, your getting more amperage pumped into the speaker than you would with a single coil thus creating a better thump, if thats not the reason for it, please go ahead and set me straight, because why would a company like alpine add another coil for no reason at all other than to say "wow, 2 coils"
delsolsi
12-09-2002, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by CanuckCRX
they were in identical boxes, so that has no effect at all,
and i know they're different speakers, but what im saying is the R's sound so much better than the S's.
actually that makes a huge difference because they have different thiel small perameters they perform differently in any box wether its the identical box or a different box.
Originally posted by CanuckCRX
the dual voice coils do make a difference, trust me, your getting more amperage pumped into the speaker than you would with a single coil thus creating a better thump, if thats not the reason for it, please go ahead and set me straight, because why would a company like alpine add another coil for no reason at all other than to say "wow, 2 coils"
The reason for dual voice coils is just like PaulD said, "connection options".
For example a single voice coil sub is usually either 4 ohms or 8 ohms. This means if your amp is only stable in brigded mode at 4 ohms you can run:
1 - 4 ohm sub
2 - 8 ohm subs wired in parallel
4 - 4 ohm subs wired in series/parallel
If your amp can handle lower ohm loads you are forced to run more than one sub, you need two 4 ohm subs to get to 2 ohms, four 4 ohm subs to get to 1 ohm. If you want the extra output of the lower ohm load you cant get it with a single sub if it only has one voice coil. ( unless some one makes subs with single 2 ohm or 1 ohm voice coils and I just don't know about it)
Now with dual voice coil subs the options are much greater. Lets say your amp is 2 ohm stable bridged and you want the extra output you get by running a lower ohm load but you only want a single sub. One dual 4 ohm voice coil will give you a 2 ohm load. Your amp 1 ohm stable and you only want a single sub? One dual 2 ohm voice coil will give you a 1 ohm load when wired in parallel. Now say you change your amp for what ever reason and the new one is only 4 ohm stable when bridged, do you need to buy a new sub? No because when a dual 2 ohm voice coil sub is wired in series you get a 4 ohm load. Want three subs but your amp is only 4 ohm stable. Get JL W6's with dual 6 ohm voice coils, when wired in series/parallel you get a 4 ohm load.
So basicly what I'm trying to say is the benifit you get from having dual voice coils is flexibility, not how it sounds.
The reason the Type R sounds better than the Type S is the box the guy demoed the two subs in was better suited for the Type R.
they were in identical boxes, so that has no effect at all,
and i know they're different speakers, but what im saying is the R's sound so much better than the S's.
actually that makes a huge difference because they have different thiel small perameters they perform differently in any box wether its the identical box or a different box.
Originally posted by CanuckCRX
the dual voice coils do make a difference, trust me, your getting more amperage pumped into the speaker than you would with a single coil thus creating a better thump, if thats not the reason for it, please go ahead and set me straight, because why would a company like alpine add another coil for no reason at all other than to say "wow, 2 coils"
The reason for dual voice coils is just like PaulD said, "connection options".
For example a single voice coil sub is usually either 4 ohms or 8 ohms. This means if your amp is only stable in brigded mode at 4 ohms you can run:
1 - 4 ohm sub
2 - 8 ohm subs wired in parallel
4 - 4 ohm subs wired in series/parallel
If your amp can handle lower ohm loads you are forced to run more than one sub, you need two 4 ohm subs to get to 2 ohms, four 4 ohm subs to get to 1 ohm. If you want the extra output of the lower ohm load you cant get it with a single sub if it only has one voice coil. ( unless some one makes subs with single 2 ohm or 1 ohm voice coils and I just don't know about it)
Now with dual voice coil subs the options are much greater. Lets say your amp is 2 ohm stable bridged and you want the extra output you get by running a lower ohm load but you only want a single sub. One dual 4 ohm voice coil will give you a 2 ohm load. Your amp 1 ohm stable and you only want a single sub? One dual 2 ohm voice coil will give you a 1 ohm load when wired in parallel. Now say you change your amp for what ever reason and the new one is only 4 ohm stable when bridged, do you need to buy a new sub? No because when a dual 2 ohm voice coil sub is wired in series you get a 4 ohm load. Want three subs but your amp is only 4 ohm stable. Get JL W6's with dual 6 ohm voice coils, when wired in series/parallel you get a 4 ohm load.
So basicly what I'm trying to say is the benifit you get from having dual voice coils is flexibility, not how it sounds.
The reason the Type R sounds better than the Type S is the box the guy demoed the two subs in was better suited for the Type R.
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