A.f.m.o.t.y 2007??

It's quite late in the year and I haven't seen or heard about the 2007 AFMOTY. I take it that it will not be happening ... or have I missed something??

I hope it happens. Usually Warren (primeraman) sets this up. I think he starts taking entries the first of December or after, but I may be wrong.

Good question....

MOTY has always been PrimeraMan's bit- he came up with it originally, and he alone has run it. But Warren certainly hasn't been seen around these parts much lately. He also had a conflict at the beginning of this year and so had trouble bringing last year's MOTY to a close- maybe indicating that he's ready to hand it off for someone/something else?

I think many of us enjoy having an annual year's end event here. If Warren won't be running a MOTY, it would seem a shame not to have something similar to take it's place.

I suppose if Warren is still keen to do it (and we're all still keen to have MOTY as it has been), than he gets right of first refusal to run it. However if he decides that he's unavailable to run it this year, it's probably time for the rest of us to consider what we want to do to take it's place.

So with that in mind-

What do you like (have you liked) about MOTY? What bits do you find important, or what would you do without? Do you really like the 'competitiveness'? The voting? The fact that there's usually a prize of some sort for the winner? Seeing everyone's best work from the last year? The anticipation of seeing the entries on New Year's day?

Personally, I think the best option for a year's end event will be whatever the most people will participate in. Participation in MOTY has been slacking over the last few years. Participation in '06 was good only after Warren threatened to cancel it due to lack of entries. I know there are people here who don't enter MOTY because of the contest nature. So would we get more participation if we gave the popularity contest a skip, and just had an exhibition of everyone's best work from the past year?

What do you think??

I like:

- The competition spirit: it's crazy fun to follow the vote's trend, with the last "few horses" rush.

- Often is a good "bump" for stuff we forgot or lost.

- I like also to compare my personal tastes with the "democratic voted tastes" . I supposed to own very kind modelling tastes but I have to say that they agree with most people's predilections, judging by votes casted.

I think also that a prize isn't necessary. Pride to be in the AF tops should be enough.

I like:

- The competition spirit: it's crazy fun to follow the vote's trend, with the last "few horses" rush.

- Often is a good "bump" for stuff we forgot or lost.





:iagree:

I really look forward to this, even if I am not participating. I love seeing everyone`s best works at the end of the year. I used to have all the pictures of every entry since the contest`s inception back in 2002, until I lost my hard drive. :shakehead
I think we should try to find out why many people on here, that would definitely put up a good competition, are not competing. I know for me, I haven`t built a model with the contest in mind since the very first contest, so I am just being a slacker and took a little coersion to actually enter something the past few years because I didn`t think what I had was contest worthy (the last two MOTY competitions, I barely made it in on time).

I think we should try to find out why many people on here, that would definitely put up a good competition, are not competing.

Another good question. But one that we can maybe answer with a bit of thought and discussion.

I can only report my own speculation, and what other people have shared with me in PMs- but it seems that a good number of people are deterred from participating because of the 'competition' aspect of MOTY. Some people don't participate because they have a good build to show, but believe it's simply not of a popular enough subject to gain votes. Others don't want to show their build only to wind up with three total votes in the end. Others post rarely, and think people won't vote for someone they don't know by reputation. Still others think that their work is not yet good enough, and there's just no point in them entering if they feel they don't have a real chance at winning. And some feel can't take a decent pic of an otherwise excellent build if their lives depended on it.

Personally, I'm not going to submit an entry for a popularity vote this year. I have a completed build that that I'm pleased with and proud of, that in all likelihood would be competitive. But I'm just not interested in 'the running'. On the other hand I'd be perfectly happy to show it, such as in a 2007 gallery.

MOTY has been struggling for entries for several years now. Alot of people seem to enjoy it- but that apparently doesn't translate into alot of entries. There may be alot of people who fall into one (or more) of the categories I mentioned above. (It might also be worth noting that recently we've had alot more participation in group builds than we've had in contests.) So what parts are most important about MOTY, and what do people enjoy the most? Is it worth having if it's not a 'competition'? Or is it worth having if we get a poor turnout?

Doesn't the mere name "AFMOTY" by definition imply competition?
To have THE model of the year, it has to be better than some others...

Doesn't the mere name "AFMOTY" by definition imply competition?
To have THE model of the year, it has to be better than some others...
100% agree.

Due to my subject and the fact that lately we have fantastic modeler here (just see how much 5stars: I'll say I agree with most of those ratings) I have the suspect that I'll be in the group's tail, seeing other do the final rush: I don't care, I'll give my entry. Probably not my top, but something I enjoyed a lot: enough for me.

Andy, come on. Can't believe the common thought here is "worry to not to be the best". AFMOTY is a tradition here, a good one beside. Just do it. We'll try to simplify rules/prizes to let a simple job for the one that manage it, but a contest is a contest.

Doesn't the mere name "AFMOTY" by definition imply competition?
To have THE model of the year, it has to be better than some others...

I agree.. If you do a AFMOTY without a competition.. than you just have a groupbuild... and if this groupbuild includes a wide range of subjects..than you just have a bunch of people who like modelling and put pictures on this website... and that's not special anymore...

I recall that Warren was rather tied up with other commitments, such as his Primera Club. I have not heard much from him since his last thread letting us know he was OK. It is a shame, as I do miss his builds.

I personally love to see other modellers best pieces on show at the end of the year. Although I personally try to enter, it is sometimes hard to model during the year, as I am quite busy with work. I think that people should make more of an effort to enter, seeing that there are quite a lot of high quality completed projects on display.

I do not mind the competition and the entrance rules as they were.

Doesn't the mere name "AFMOTY" by definition imply competition?
To have THE model of the year, it has to be better than some others...

Isn't this an argument of semantics? Does it matter what we call it?

Are you implying that it should be a contest simply because it has always been a contest?

If MOTY in its previous, traditional form is what everyone wants here, than I absolutely will not protest it or stand in it's way (I just hope that everyone who wants it as such actually enters). But if it's going to be another year of thirteen entries, and doing something else slightly different would encourage more participation, might it not be worth altering the tradition a bit?

I don't much care what's done. I just think it would be cool to do something, and it would be best if it's the something that the most people would participate in. If another identical MOTY contest is what we all want to do, than let's do a MOTY contest. But let's do it because it's what everyone wants to do, not because it's the default option.

If we can't get as many people as we want to participate in the contest, what is most important to everyone- that it remains as it has been, or that we get the greatest number of people participating??

(Ski & Gio, I'm not entirely sure that I remember you guys entering last year? Or the year before...?)

Ski ... I'm not entirely sure that I remember you ...entering last year? Or the year before...?)
Check the entries for 2006 (hint: look for a Dino) ;)
I wasn't eligible for entry in the 2005 IIRC


EDIT: Andy, for the sake being unequivocal, I am fine with choosing the best model of 2007 on AF (even though it won't be mine). "OTY" type events are as old as salt and part of real life and I don't see why not to do one on AF.

The only real threat I see is that it goes down the crapper like the recent '60s comp on SPC but since that hasn't happened here before, I am inclined to feel that it won't happen now either.

In the context of hobbies I am a firm believer in the old adage "It's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game..." but if some people feel that they can't take part in a peer ranking process without getting overly competitive/ambitious and therefore don't want to enter that's absolutely fine IMO.

IMHO an annual "Show and tell" is a bit wimpy and I don't really see the point but that's just me.

I think that the award/prize is a "nice to have" element but absolutely not essential.

I also think that, with the greatest of respect to Pman, if he wants to be the organizer as tradition dictates he should have official and sanctioned backup in the form of the moderator team who are empowered to move things forward in case real life forces him to fall off the radar screen again.

Being worried about not winning is, I think, a silly hangup. The point of the AFMOTY, as far as I could ever tell, was to show of your personal model of the year. It's more like... AFers' Models of the Year; not AF's single most model of the year. The contest aspect allows us to honor the model we respect the most on the board. I'm sure everyone has one model that someone posted that really took their breath away - probably a few. And I'm sure that some can even agree on one - or a few - enough for it to be noteworthy. There is a ton of great talent on this board, and I'd certainly feel remiss if I didn't get to see what each member considered their best, and if I couldn't participate in bestowing congratulations on a model, and member, who really wowed us collectively.

It shouldn't be considered as taking community apart by ranking us among it, but by bringing it together by asking us to show our appreciation for each other.

who cares if you dont win? i look at it as an opportunity to show off your best works, whether you come close to winning or not.if it happens ill be ebering, even though i know i wont win.its fun anyway

I think it's a great competition, a fun end to the modelling year, and a chance to sum up what we've acomplished.

My thought though is that the competition is as much a competition regarding photo skills as it is a competition on modelling. I can't put aside that a build looks much better when photographed right.

Second thought (on the negative side) is that you can't put aside the fact that a build that has been followed by most members in a very comprehensive WIP is to gain from that more than a build that has just been entered in the completed section late november.

Even though this might be the case I think we are to have the AFMOTY this year as well, and the next... BECAUSE IT'S FOR FUN!!! And the facts I talked about above is pretty hard to fix, this is all together a web forum and to show our models we need to get them photographed and that a product goes better when advertised isn't such a shock. We are here to show, view and learn and I think this should pep most of us to post longer WIP:s wich in the end makes us all better modellers, no matter who win or lose.

So my thought is that the AFMOTY should go on just like it used to. I think we are a lot of people that would be willing to administrate it. I can't say it wouldn't be such a burden on my shoulders.

/Joel

I think it's a great competition, a fun end to the modelling year, and a chance to sum up what we've acomplished.

<my edit>

So my thought is that the AFMOTY should go on just like it used to. I think we are a lot of people that would be willing to administrate it. I can't say it would be such a burden on my shoulders.

/Joel

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Since MOTY is a popularity contest, we will never find a way to have equal starting points for all entries. There will be no way to ensure that the car that ran a 14 pages WIP won´t have more attention than builds just being shown in the completed section. If we would ensure equal starting points for everybody - there wouldn´t be any further contest on a popularity basis.

Nevertheless I would like to see another contest, although I recall that I never entered before. But that is something to be understood. If you enter you step up onto the plate with the big guys. And I don´t see my models being up to par with them.

What would make this different - maybe - is the contest being included in a thread that would stay permanently on the board for the next year. Everybody entering the board would have a chance to see, what happened the last year on AF. In this thread the actual winner of the MOTY could be honored as the "best voted" model by the board - something like: "Hey everybody, this is what we think was the best last year..." By this the winner becomes part of this community and therefore I think that more people would enter, because you´re not openly run in a competion but contribute to the legacy of AF in 07. Something like AF class of 2007 - our yearbook.

godfather23, I'm not sure I completely follow your idea.

But here's another thought:

Instead of model of the year, thread of the year could be a terrific idea. We could start a nominating thread, and people could nominate (and second) other people's threads from '07. Then when nominations close, all members will have a period of time (say two weeks?) to review the nominated threads, and vote on them in terms of the best build and the best done thread (amazing work, quality of descriptions, how much did you learn from following the thread, etc). Nominations will have to be held to a reasonable number (maybe 10-15?), so we all don't have to review every build thread from the last year. Votes will not be posted or updated until the close of voting- so there will be no horserace popularity contest, and no one's votes will be influenced by what thread is behind/ahead.

Here's why I like it:
-It encourages and celebrates building and sharing of building- which is what we all come here for.
-It encourages better written threads for next year.
-It seems as objective as we're likely to get for a contest here.
-It gives us all the chance to review and honor the threads that have amazed us the most in the last year.

We all come here to build, share our builds, and watch and learn from other people's builds. So why not celebrate the builder/thread that did that best in the last year?


I also like the 'yearbook' idea, where everyone submits their best build of the year for an '07 gallery. But I really don't see any good way of doing this as a contest that specifically rewards building, instead of photography and popularity.

Thoughts??

Hi everyone.
Its with much sadness that I'll have to pass the reign's on this year to somebody else to take over this event after 5 years running it.
I've given it alot of thought as the time got closer, and after reading this thread today it should really be time to pass it on to someone else. Sorry for leaving it so late but time seems to pass by so quickly.
I don't have the time to run the event 100% and due to my lack of time on AF these days I thought it wouldn't be fair to try and carry it on by myself.
My personal life is going though some changes, and with trying to run our own car club in New Zealand (NZ Primera car club), and now also being a member of the NZ Mustang club, time is very limited. Never seems to be enough time in the day to try and get everything done.
Unfortunately building models has become a thing of the past at the moment. I want to spend more time with family, working on my 65 Mustang also takes up alot more time then I thought....but its good fun!! :grinno:

The contest has failed in the last couple of years to attract big numbers...why, I don't know as there are awesome builds done over the year and its a real shame people don't submit them.
2 years ago when I got accused of cheating really put a damper on the contest for me and to be honest I never really gave it 100% last year with keeping voting results updated.
Those that don't know, I was accused of rigging votes in favor of some of my "mates" on AF. Those of you that know me should know it was a load a crap and it really disappointed me that others thought that way about the contest. Its also one of the reasons I stopped posting as much and visiting AF...but thats a few years ago and it's all water under the bridge for me now...... so all is forgotten.

Remember that I started the contest as a bit of FUN so that modelers could pick there favorite build over the year and enter into a contest that we could enjoy and to "remember" some of the fantastic builds that are done over the year. With so many built during a year it was just a way for people to show off there favorite build one more time.
Simply a "people choice" voting system was done that saved all the issues about a model being a "out of the box" or a "heavily modified" build and having to run 3-4-5 different category's.
There have been many idea's on how to improve it, things that are wrong etc etc, but, it was run the best way i thought possible and I'm sure you hear more positive comments then bad.

Hopefully the contest can carry on as IMO its a great contest and hopefully I can get involved again in the following years.

All the best

Wazza

Hi everyone.
Its with much sadness that I'll have to pass the reign's on this year to somebody else to take over this event after 5 years running it.
I've given it alot of thought as the time got closer, and after reading this thread today it should really be time to pass it on to someone else. Sorry for leaving it so late but time seems to pass by so quickly.
I don't have the time to run the event 100% and due to my lack of time on AF these days I thought it wouldn't be fair to try and carry it on by myself.
My personal life is going though some changes, and with trying to run our own car club in New Zealand (NZ Primera car club), and now also being a member of the NZ Mustang club, time is very limited. Never seems to be enough time in the day to try and get everything done.
Unfortunately building models has become a thing of the past at the moment. I want to spend more time with family, working on my 65 Mustang also takes up alot more time then I thought....but its good fun!! :grinno:

The contest has failed in the last couple of years to attract big numbers...why, I don't know as there are awesome builds done over the year and its a real shame people don't submit them.
2 years ago when I got accused of cheating really put a damper on the contest for me and to be honest I never really gave it 100% last year with keeping voting results updated.
Those that don't know, I was accused of rigging votes in favor of some of my "mates" on AF. Those of you that know me should know it was a load a crap and it really disappointed me that others thought that way about the contest. Its also one of the reasons I stopped posting as much and visiting AF...but thats a few years ago and it's all water under the bridge for me now...... so all is forgotten.

Remember that I started the contest as a bit of FUN so that modelers could pick there favorite build over the year and enter into a contest that we could enjoy and to "remember" some of the fantastic builds that are done over the year. With so many built during a year it was just a way for people to show off there favorite build one more time.
Simply a "people choice" voting system was done that saved all the issues about a model being a "out of the box" or a "heavily modified" build and having to run 3-4-5 different category's.
There have been many idea's on how to improve it, things that are wrong etc etc, but, it was run the best way i thought possible and I'm sure you hear more positive comments then bad.

Hopefully the contest can carry on as IMO its a great contest and hopefully I can get involved again in the following years.

All the best

Wazza


Warren,

It's great to hear from you. Your presence on AF has been missed. We have lost a good few 'master builders' on this forum, such as yourself, Hiroboy, Rally Raider, Fly On The Wall, etc. Hopefully, another Moderator would be able to pick up the reigns. Stay in touch.

I suppose a competition of this nature will never be perfect given the forum environment. Having said that I think it should stay a competition though - after all, if it wasn't a competition you could almost name it the Completed Projects / Gallery Sub-Forum.

The only thing I would change would be to not put the entrants name/nickname under the picture of the entered model. There will always be a bit of popularity skewing the results, but I don't believe this effect is overly strong. However taking the identity of the modeler away from the pictures may help in this regard.

Personally I also find that the idea of competition pushes me harder to do better builds, and I'm sure a lot of you are the same. It would be a shame to see the AFMOTY go by the wayside, and I think that provided a minimum number of say 10 entries are submitted that it should be run. Perhaps at the start of November (in future) a thread asking for interest could be started, and if the pre-requisite number is there then we go ahead. I doubt there'd be trouble getting 10 entries though, so this is probably overkill.

And... we also have to find a person generous enough to devote a moderate amount of time to tallying the results and posting the pictures. That won't be me this year, but all the same I have a healthy dose of respect and thanks for the person who hopefully steps up to take on the task.

Warren,
I am sorry to hear about the accusations. It is the first time I`ve heard of this.

Everyone,
Maybe for verification and to avoid the results from being questioned, we should have all voters submit their votes to both the person selected to run the event, and also another moderator?

As i really enjoyed AFMOTY last time i decided to write some words about my opinion.

-i think this still should be a contest. Contest and exhibition have totally different feeling. And i guess in the modelling world most people do not enter the contest with the clear aim of winning it.
-about popularty, either subject or user - i have really good memories and experience about this. When i entered in 2005 as quite a newbie, my entrie was the only bike. And i was really surprised that i was fighting for 1st place till the last days. So i guess not the popularity of user or subject results votes.
-if it will be run by somebody, i can offer some small prize - Geronimo Works wheel set.

Hope that somebody will pick it up and will run the contest :)

Just as a thought, perhaps we could have a rookie subset. Entries would have to be from members of AF for less than (1 yr? 2 yrs?) who'd also ask to be included in the rookie subset. They'd of course be eligible to win the whole thing outright too. It might encourage people who feel they have sub-contest winning builds to test the waters a little bit.

hmmm, maybe there should be different catagories? so competition is evenly spread into diffeent groups, and competition is closer??

I'm also sad to hear all those issues on previous editions: I seen as a spetactor and they was great.

The thing is that we haven't any TIME to discuss it now and try to manage than.

So first question is: would sameone manage it? The idea of post double vote's PM to MOTY's manager and a moderator/admin sound good to prevent troubles.

Any other ideas like a 07 collection would be great but first we need to decide if we want the MOTY or not.

I'm for YES if someone run it: I haven't the time and language's skills to do it.

i agree 100% if someone will do it, im all for it, and im confident, with such a plethora of dedicated AF users, it wouldnt be hard to get it going

So is anybody prepared to run the AFMOTY comp this year since Warren cannot? If the interest is still there, I'm happy to take on the job of running it. Trouble is I will be away on holidays when the comp usually starts so it will have to be delayed a few days.

Also, I believe the comp is only worth running if it remains in the same format that Warren has used for the last five years. I've found from experience that changing things to try and please everybody simply will not work. The formula needs to be kept simple.

So unless somebody beats me to it, I'll kick off an official comp thread sometime this week and we'll see what happens.

If the interest is still there, I'm happy to take on the job of running it. Trouble is I will be away on holidays when the comp usually starts so it will have to be delayed a few days.

I'm happy to heard that. I'm happy if you run the contest, Phil, BUT I don't want to loose your entry, there's a certain 917k...

So I'm pro Phil like AFMOTY manager but without any limitation for his entry.

So is anybody prepared to run the AFMOTY comp this year since Warren cannot? If the interest is still there, I'm happy to take on the job of running it. Trouble is I will be away on holidays when the comp usually starts so it will have to be delayed a few days.

Also, I believe the comp is only worth running if it remains in the same format that Warren has used for the last five years. I've found from experience that changing things to try and please everybody simply will not work. The formula needs to be kept simple.

So unless somebody beats me to it, I'll kick off an official comp thread sometime this week and we'll see what happens.

Thanks for stepping up Rally! I have no objections.

I'm happy to heard that. I'm happy if you run the contest, Phil, BUT I don't want to loose your entry, there's a certain 917k...

So I'm pro Phil like AFMOTY manager but without any limitation for his entry.

Phil is automatically disqualified as 3 times champion :D:D:D

Thank you Phil for coming up. I´m sure that nobody has objections you entering - remember it´s the fun we are looking for!

I have missed the past few AFMOTY due to work committments. Now I have even set a calendar reminder for myself to participate in this year's event. I do hope AFMOTY 2007 will happen!