AEM V2 Intake
DaMaN22
11-16-2007, 03:30 AM
has any one installed this in their eclipse?
what do you think about this intake?
what do you think about this intake?
SilvrEclipse
11-16-2007, 07:14 AM
Its a good intake but not worth the money. Just buy a cheap one off ebay and put a good filter on it. A pipe is a pipe.
MazdaX
11-16-2007, 09:11 AM
Why do people like to pay an extra 200.00 for a name ?
rock0134
11-16-2007, 09:57 AM
Having a Good name brand adds more hp generally
david-b
11-16-2007, 11:39 AM
Having a Good name brand adds more hp generally
I thought this was common sense. Plus they come with cool stickers which add 4-9 extra hp. Thus, you get more bang for your buck.
I thought this was common sense. Plus they come with cool stickers which add 4-9 extra hp. Thus, you get more bang for your buck.
SilvrEclipse
11-16-2007, 11:44 AM
Having a Good name brand adds more hp generally
Was this a serious statement? It all depends on what your buying. Knock off products are just made with cheaper materials. It would effect reliability not power output.
Was this a serious statement? It all depends on what your buying. Knock off products are just made with cheaper materials. It would effect reliability not power output.
Thor06
11-16-2007, 11:49 AM
Some knockoffs arent going to perform as good as the original. A CAI is going to give you minimal hp gains anyway, argueing either way is almost as gay as that long ass thread about how much power a 420a can make with bolt ons. :rolleyes:
david-b
11-16-2007, 11:49 AM
I think this thread turned into a giant ball of sarcasm.
david-b
11-16-2007, 11:50 AM
Some knockoffs arent going to perform as good as the original. A CAI is going to give you minimal hp gains anyway, argueing either way is almost as gay as that long ass thread about how much power a 420a can make with bolt ons. :rolleyes:
Or worse the firebird vs talon thread.
Or worse the firebird vs talon thread.
rock0134
11-16-2007, 05:23 PM
Yes I was serious about how a pipe with a name on it makes your car faster than a pipe without a name on it, its just physics
l_eclipse_l
11-16-2007, 09:48 PM
A regular AEM intake is just as good. The V2 just has like one extra little bend that does next to nothing in terms of power gains.
One main advantage of buying a name brand item is that installation is usually a bit easier because they test it more thoroughly and fitment is usually more of a science than just throwing it together like knock offs.
One main advantage of buying a name brand item is that installation is usually a bit easier because they test it more thoroughly and fitment is usually more of a science than just throwing it together like knock offs.
TalonEclipseMixGsx
11-16-2007, 10:56 PM
Well I see those expensive ass turbo intakes on extreme psi and such going for like $100. I think mine was $35 and some change off of ebay for the same thing, just not a named brand. Now Im getting that FP intake that has a bigger inlet for the turbo. It's like everything that I bought a year ago is being replaced with something better. Just think about future plans before you go spending the cash. With something as simple as an intake, don't pay for the brand name. Now when going with something like say a turbo, that is when you want to get picky and pay for the best one.
gthompson97
11-17-2007, 03:22 AM
One main advantage of buying a name brand item is that installation is usually a bit easier because they test it more thoroughly and fitment is usually more of a science than just throwing it together like knock offs.
I had my ebay short-ram installed in like 5 minutes with no issues. An intake is an intake, whether it's a short-ram or a true cai, both have their gains.
I had my ebay short-ram installed in like 5 minutes with no issues. An intake is an intake, whether it's a short-ram or a true cai, both have their gains.
MazdaX
11-17-2007, 08:39 AM
Yes I was serious about how a pipe with a name on it makes your car faster than a pipe without a name on it, its just physics
Perhaps but if you talk in terms of physics , wouldnt the added weight of AEM's infamous red and blue paint jobs and gigantic logo sticker add more weight to the vehicle thus slowing it down substantialluy ?
Lol.. I love my emblemless products..nobody knows what , who or where they came from its great :D
I will say this though -> I have seen some 14.99 intakes off ebay that have some serious fitment issues and generally the cheapest isn't ideal but things like piping , silicone hoses , battery terminals , strut bars , simple stuff it wouldn't need to be brand name or over priced to perform its duties compared to something of the same design / different name.
Perhaps but if you talk in terms of physics , wouldnt the added weight of AEM's infamous red and blue paint jobs and gigantic logo sticker add more weight to the vehicle thus slowing it down substantialluy ?
Lol.. I love my emblemless products..nobody knows what , who or where they came from its great :D
I will say this though -> I have seen some 14.99 intakes off ebay that have some serious fitment issues and generally the cheapest isn't ideal but things like piping , silicone hoses , battery terminals , strut bars , simple stuff it wouldn't need to be brand name or over priced to perform its duties compared to something of the same design / different name.
rickyrickster25
11-17-2007, 05:31 PM
On a dyno graph, the area under the power band (or power curve) represents the amount of effort that an engine is producing. The larger the overall area under the curve, the more power your engine is making. The AEM V2 utilizes a dual chamber (using two different diameters and lengths of piping) that creates multiple frequency sound waves to produce the largest area under the curve of any intake system on the market. These sound waves help charge the cylinders with more air throughout the entire rpm range and are what enables the V2 to outperform even our own Cold Air systems.
This is what AEM said on their website about the V2...
This is what AEM said on their website about the V2...
rickyrickster25
11-18-2007, 01:05 PM
Here is a dyno chart of the V2 vs a regular CAI. It doubled the gains of a normal CAI when they tested it. Im glad i ordered one...
News and PressBack to Article List... (http://www.aempower.com/News.aspx)
Turbo Magazine's Exclusive First Test of AEM V2 Intake System
5/22/2003 http://www.aempower.com/images/content/25.jpgYou’d think the high-flow intake has reached the pinnacle of its evolution. A mandrel-bent tube is a mandrel-bent tube, right? Wrong.
When AEM debuted its V2 (Version2) intake at the 2002 SEMA show, we had to test it out. We know AEM diligently tests different tube lengths when its R&D department is developing a new intake to find the length that delivers the most power and still fits in the engine bay. But for the V2, AEM went inside the tubing.
http://www.aempower.com/images/content/26.jpgThe AEM V2 Cold Air system starts out like a conventional system with a low-mounted air horn AEM filter and inlet pipe. But from the filter, the pipe is big, in some cases 4 inches in diameter. Before heading to the throttle body, the pipe reduces to a more conventional diameter.
Inside the pipe, the conventional-sized pipe runs back toward the filter. The place along the intake tract where the step occurs and the length of smaller pipe running inside the bigger tubing are where and how the system is tuned for max power.
“The tube overlap length has an amazing effect on the performance of the engine. It’s crazy to watch on the dyno,” says AEM’s Chief Engineer John Concialdi. “As far as the step goes, just where it happens, but the difference or ratio between the tubes. By manipulating the overlap length and diameter ratio, we can move the power gain anywhere in the powerband.” The company also claims the V2 outperforms the AEM cold-air intake. Great. Send us one of each and we’ll make a dyno appointment.
http://www.aempower.com/images/content/27.jpgExclusive First Test
AEM V2 Intake System
1996-00 Honda Civic EX
Turbo Magazine, April 2003, VOL. 19, NO. 4
http://www.aempower.com/images/content/28.jpgThe V2 comes with all the mounting hardware and brackets—including soft mounts—needed for an easy, bolt-on installation. Currently, the V2 is offered in a titanium-look, zirconia-based powdercoating that AEM says reduces heat soak and enhances the appearance. The units are awaiting CARB approval.
On the Dynojet, our Civic EX baselined at 106.8 hp and 93.8 lbs-ft of torque. With the CAI in place, peak power scooted up to 108.3 and torque followed suit, but an odd hump in the curve threw off the peak readout. With the V2 installed, power was up noticeably throughout the curve with enhanced power production noted from 6,000 rpm to the end of the pull. Peak horsepower checked in at 112.4 and the torque curve was up as well, and the engine seemed to hang onto its torque output better at the top end.
http://www.aempower.com/images/content/29.jpgImage captions:
1- The V2 system we tested was for 1996-00 Honda Civic EX vehicles with the 1.6-liter SOHC VTEC powerplant.
2- Here we see where the unit steps down. The difference in diameter of these two pieces and where they step down has a profound effect on where in the rev-range peak performance is realized. Also, how far into the big tube the smaller tube penetrates (known as overlap length) is a key tuning element of V2 performance.
http://www.aempower.com/images/content/30.jpg3- HORSEPOWER: At the top of the curve, V2 (green) is making great strides compared to the CAI. (red). Peak output is 112.4 whp, but the V2 makes viable gains at about 4,600 rpm on up.
4- TORQUE: The torque curve reflects the power curve. The V2’s dual chamber works.
http://www.aempower.com/images/content/31.jpg5- This snapshot shows how close to the throttle body the step down (arrow) occurs on a 1996 to 2000 Civic EX.
News and PressBack to Article List... (http://www.aempower.com/News.aspx)
Turbo Magazine's Exclusive First Test of AEM V2 Intake System
5/22/2003 http://www.aempower.com/images/content/25.jpgYou’d think the high-flow intake has reached the pinnacle of its evolution. A mandrel-bent tube is a mandrel-bent tube, right? Wrong.
When AEM debuted its V2 (Version2) intake at the 2002 SEMA show, we had to test it out. We know AEM diligently tests different tube lengths when its R&D department is developing a new intake to find the length that delivers the most power and still fits in the engine bay. But for the V2, AEM went inside the tubing.
http://www.aempower.com/images/content/26.jpgThe AEM V2 Cold Air system starts out like a conventional system with a low-mounted air horn AEM filter and inlet pipe. But from the filter, the pipe is big, in some cases 4 inches in diameter. Before heading to the throttle body, the pipe reduces to a more conventional diameter.
Inside the pipe, the conventional-sized pipe runs back toward the filter. The place along the intake tract where the step occurs and the length of smaller pipe running inside the bigger tubing are where and how the system is tuned for max power.
“The tube overlap length has an amazing effect on the performance of the engine. It’s crazy to watch on the dyno,” says AEM’s Chief Engineer John Concialdi. “As far as the step goes, just where it happens, but the difference or ratio between the tubes. By manipulating the overlap length and diameter ratio, we can move the power gain anywhere in the powerband.” The company also claims the V2 outperforms the AEM cold-air intake. Great. Send us one of each and we’ll make a dyno appointment.
http://www.aempower.com/images/content/27.jpgExclusive First Test
AEM V2 Intake System
1996-00 Honda Civic EX
Turbo Magazine, April 2003, VOL. 19, NO. 4
http://www.aempower.com/images/content/28.jpgThe V2 comes with all the mounting hardware and brackets—including soft mounts—needed for an easy, bolt-on installation. Currently, the V2 is offered in a titanium-look, zirconia-based powdercoating that AEM says reduces heat soak and enhances the appearance. The units are awaiting CARB approval.
On the Dynojet, our Civic EX baselined at 106.8 hp and 93.8 lbs-ft of torque. With the CAI in place, peak power scooted up to 108.3 and torque followed suit, but an odd hump in the curve threw off the peak readout. With the V2 installed, power was up noticeably throughout the curve with enhanced power production noted from 6,000 rpm to the end of the pull. Peak horsepower checked in at 112.4 and the torque curve was up as well, and the engine seemed to hang onto its torque output better at the top end.
http://www.aempower.com/images/content/29.jpgImage captions:
1- The V2 system we tested was for 1996-00 Honda Civic EX vehicles with the 1.6-liter SOHC VTEC powerplant.
2- Here we see where the unit steps down. The difference in diameter of these two pieces and where they step down has a profound effect on where in the rev-range peak performance is realized. Also, how far into the big tube the smaller tube penetrates (known as overlap length) is a key tuning element of V2 performance.
http://www.aempower.com/images/content/30.jpg3- HORSEPOWER: At the top of the curve, V2 (green) is making great strides compared to the CAI. (red). Peak output is 112.4 whp, but the V2 makes viable gains at about 4,600 rpm on up.
4- TORQUE: The torque curve reflects the power curve. The V2’s dual chamber works.
http://www.aempower.com/images/content/31.jpg5- This snapshot shows how close to the throttle body the step down (arrow) occurs on a 1996 to 2000 Civic EX.
Thor06
11-18-2007, 02:26 PM
Yay, $300 intake for 5.5 hp. :rolleyes:
Sorry guys, but anyone that justifies a $270 plus shipping or sales tax by netting them 5.5 horsepower is either crazy or retarded.
Sorry guys, but anyone that justifies a $270 plus shipping or sales tax by netting them 5.5 horsepower is either crazy or retarded.
SilvrEclipse
11-18-2007, 06:35 PM
Yay, $300 intake for 5.5 hp. :rolleyes:
Sorry guys, but anyone that justifies a $270 plus shipping or sales tax by netting them 5.5 horsepower is either crazy or retarded.
I personally think the electric supercharger is a better investment. I wouldn't trust that dyno chart unless done by third party. I dont trust AEM to give an accurate dyno sheet. There are so many different factors that would come into play that can effect hp. All they had to do was test the AEM intake first, then do all the others. I did 3 dyno runs back to back and only the first one was worth a damn.
Sorry guys, but anyone that justifies a $270 plus shipping or sales tax by netting them 5.5 horsepower is either crazy or retarded.
I personally think the electric supercharger is a better investment. I wouldn't trust that dyno chart unless done by third party. I dont trust AEM to give an accurate dyno sheet. There are so many different factors that would come into play that can effect hp. All they had to do was test the AEM intake first, then do all the others. I did 3 dyno runs back to back and only the first one was worth a damn.
NOFX0617
11-18-2007, 10:48 PM
Yeah. I agree...even if you do go by their dyno charts, a regular CAI got 4.5 and the V2 got 5.5 hp so you are paying an extra $200 for a whole 1 hp. Not worth it to me.
gthompson97
11-19-2007, 04:00 PM
Well, I guess you can say that they got their money's worth out of you. That marketing scandal will pay off after all.
Not worth the investment IMHO.
Not worth the investment IMHO.
rickyrickster25
11-20-2007, 03:50 PM
I was just trying to show the differene between the two since so many people have been asking, plus i got mine for $140 so i figured i would try it out... you would think a 4 inch inlet would gain you something over the normal CAI's...
rickyrickster25
11-20-2007, 03:55 PM
I personally think the electric supercharger is a better investment.
That bitch actually works, lol I took a ride in my friends car to see if it made a difference and it actually did, he hooked it up to a switch and when he was accelerating, he turned it on and you could feel the car launch a tiny bit harder... i wouldnt buy it, but i thought it was funny that it actually worked... I suppose that when it was off it could of been blocking the intake somehow or something so when he turned it on it felt like a pull but i didnt care enough to look into it.
That bitch actually works, lol I took a ride in my friends car to see if it made a difference and it actually did, he hooked it up to a switch and when he was accelerating, he turned it on and you could feel the car launch a tiny bit harder... i wouldnt buy it, but i thought it was funny that it actually worked... I suppose that when it was off it could of been blocking the intake somehow or something so when he turned it on it felt like a pull but i didnt care enough to look into it.
defiancy
11-21-2007, 11:45 AM
That bitch actually works, lol I took a ride in my friends car to see if it made a difference and it actually did, he hooked it up to a switch and when he was accelerating, he turned it on and you could feel the car launch a tiny bit harder... i wouldnt buy it, but i thought it was funny that it actually worked... I suppose that when it was off it could of been blocking the intake somehow or something so when he turned it on it felt like a pull but i didnt care enough to look into it.
I've actually seen some guys on homemadeturbo put some of those electric boat motors in their car and dyno them. One guy got 5hp more from his 1.6 civic!
I've actually seen some guys on homemadeturbo put some of those electric boat motors in their car and dyno them. One guy got 5hp more from his 1.6 civic!
Cavalier9696
06-16-2009, 01:24 PM
Well hell I always look at it as "it's the driver". I bet you get a cheap intake from ebay vs a V2 and if the guy that got the intake from ebay is a better driver out the hole and a better shifter will come out on top. That is if they are both stock and both just have and intake.
It also has to do with tire size. I can tell a HUGE difference since I went from 17s to 18s. My 18's LOVE to hop.
It also has to do with tire size. I can tell a HUGE difference since I went from 17s to 18s. My 18's LOVE to hop.
Cavalier9696
06-16-2009, 01:28 PM
Plus if your going Turbo, you wont even need the intake.
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