Air Conditioning
geoidis
09-22-2007, 11:44 PM
I have a 1995 Geo Metro without A/C Would my car be pre wired for A/C
how difficult would it be to take the parts from a donar car to install in mine?
how difficult would it be to take the parts from a donar car to install in mine?
91Caprice9c1
09-23-2007, 03:30 AM
Would my car be pre wired for A/C No.
how difficult would it be to take the parts from a donar car to install in mine?
Depends how factory you want the install to be. If you want it exactly the way the factory would have done it - it'll be a down right pain in the ass.
To make things more simple from a wiring point of view all I'd do is run a fused 12v circuit through the hi/low pressure switch and to a switch in the dash and then to the compressor, by-passing the ECM controlled idle-up function making things much more simple, but you may have to switch 'er off at stop lights. Mounting the compressor wont be a big deal. The biggest challenge however may be mounting the evaporator and evaporator box in the cabin. I do know that the evaporator is located between the fan and the heater core but I can't clearly visualize the differences between the a/c and non-a/c cars at the moment, so I'll have a look Monday and tell you how it looks. All-in-all it really souldnt be that bad if you ignore the factory wiring.
-MechanicMatt
how difficult would it be to take the parts from a donar car to install in mine?
Depends how factory you want the install to be. If you want it exactly the way the factory would have done it - it'll be a down right pain in the ass.
To make things more simple from a wiring point of view all I'd do is run a fused 12v circuit through the hi/low pressure switch and to a switch in the dash and then to the compressor, by-passing the ECM controlled idle-up function making things much more simple, but you may have to switch 'er off at stop lights. Mounting the compressor wont be a big deal. The biggest challenge however may be mounting the evaporator and evaporator box in the cabin. I do know that the evaporator is located between the fan and the heater core but I can't clearly visualize the differences between the a/c and non-a/c cars at the moment, so I'll have a look Monday and tell you how it looks. All-in-all it really souldnt be that bad if you ignore the factory wiring.
-MechanicMatt
mxmikie
09-24-2007, 12:44 AM
yes it is pre wired the install if you get all the parts takes 3 hours
91Caprice9c1
09-24-2007, 04:27 AM
So you're saying the relays and fuses for the condenser fan and a/c clutch, wires to and from the ecm, idle up solenoid and included wiring, a/c on/off switch and all associated wiring are already in the car that didn't come with a/c from the factory huh? News to me.
-MechanicMatt
-MechanicMatt
91Caprice9c1
09-24-2007, 05:41 PM
So, I did some homework.
First to begin, to address the pre-wired issue. I've taken pictures from two identical 1994 Geo Metro 3cyl 5-spds. One factory optioned with A/C and one factory optioned without A/C. While your '95 system will be different, the comparison is relevant.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j64/isc20/asdf.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j64/isc20/rewq.jpg
The wire pictured above does not exist on the non-A/C optioned car.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j64/isc20/rtyu.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j64/isc20/fda.jpg
This picture and the one below show the presence and absense of the Evaporator enclosure. Notice the A/C Amplifier and wiring, which are not present on the car below that control A/C operation via the idle-up solenoid, a/c on-off switch, dual pressure switch etc..etc.. The good news is that it looks like installing the evaporator will not be as big an issue as I originally thought. You just remove the large plastic tube between the fan and heater core box shown below with the evaporator enclosure as shown above.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j64/isc20/fdas.jpg
So things you need to pull from a donor car:
a) Compressor, bracket and lines
b) Condenser and fan
c) Evaporator enclosure
The wiring as I said before will be much more simple if you install a switch for the clutch and a switch for the fan.
But better yet would be a switch that controls a relay that has one control circuit and can power two slave circuits. Enabling you to turn both the condenser fan and compressor clutch on with the simple flipping of a switch. With proper circuit protection that would be an easy and clean way to by-pass the crazy factory wiring.
-MechanicMatt
First to begin, to address the pre-wired issue. I've taken pictures from two identical 1994 Geo Metro 3cyl 5-spds. One factory optioned with A/C and one factory optioned without A/C. While your '95 system will be different, the comparison is relevant.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j64/isc20/asdf.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j64/isc20/rewq.jpg
The wire pictured above does not exist on the non-A/C optioned car.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j64/isc20/rtyu.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j64/isc20/fda.jpg
This picture and the one below show the presence and absense of the Evaporator enclosure. Notice the A/C Amplifier and wiring, which are not present on the car below that control A/C operation via the idle-up solenoid, a/c on-off switch, dual pressure switch etc..etc.. The good news is that it looks like installing the evaporator will not be as big an issue as I originally thought. You just remove the large plastic tube between the fan and heater core box shown below with the evaporator enclosure as shown above.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j64/isc20/fdas.jpg
So things you need to pull from a donor car:
a) Compressor, bracket and lines
b) Condenser and fan
c) Evaporator enclosure
The wiring as I said before will be much more simple if you install a switch for the clutch and a switch for the fan.
But better yet would be a switch that controls a relay that has one control circuit and can power two slave circuits. Enabling you to turn both the condenser fan and compressor clutch on with the simple flipping of a switch. With proper circuit protection that would be an easy and clean way to by-pass the crazy factory wiring.
-MechanicMatt
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