for the first time in my life

well just wanted to rub it in to all you americans that after over 22 years of the american dollar superiority the Cad actually traded higher than it today. now i can buy parts from the states cheap ;)
i blame it on iraq you guys have spent so much on that war no wonder your economy isn't as strong

Wrong sub-forum.

I don't appreciate the american crap talk either.

Racist.

:banhim:

sorry bout the sub forum my bookmark takes me straight to performance sector wasn't thinking. I wouldn't call it American crap talk, but to each his own. I have a lot of american friends, I remember one of them telling me a joke. What do they call who wants to be a millionaire in Canada? Who wants 666 thousand LOL. I can take criticism why can't you? As for racist???

sorry bout the sub forum my bookmark takes me straight to performance sector wasn't thinking. I wouldn't call it American crap talk, but to each his own. I have a lot of american friends, I remember one of them telling me a joke. What do they call who wants to be a millionaire in Canada? Who wants 666 thousand LOL. I can take criticism why can't you? As for racist???

Haha...America is sinking man..all super powers will rise then fall.
being german I don't care what anyone says about America XD and further more those who don't like their countries being bashed on have no right to say anything about it because at some point or another they themselves bashed some other country.

If you guys want to see something interesting about american currency and it's future of Amero - watch the Zeigeist you can find it on youtube and such of the likes.

Hmmm... I won't get into my thoughts on the war and this countries leaders...

It honestly doesn't matter. After the election things will go back to being normal, but in the short term they will just borrow more money. Things will change when the Dems take the presidency, and taxes will increase for the rich and the economy will recover. If you think that America is going anywhere you are sadly mistaken. Our Gross National Product is larger than the whole of europe combined. And we import and export more goods than any other country on the planet. If the US collapsed It would be devastating for many countries,considering the amount of product we export to our european allies.

It honestly doesn't matter. After the election things will go back to being normal, but in the short term they will just borrow more money. Things will change when the Dems take the presidency, and taxes will increase for the rich and the economy will recover. If you think that America is going anywhere you are sadly mistaken. Our Gross National Product is larger than the whole of europe combined. And we import and export more goods than any other country on the planet. If the US collapsed It would be devastating for many countries,considering the amount of product we export to our european allies.

Bush succeeded where Saddam failed.
Think about it..

I can't wait to see where the next 911 is going to happen. Because it is inevitable with a liberal in charge of this country. Sure it will hurt the economy, but I can pretty much guarantee it won't be SC. So thank all the bleeding heart tree huggers in the world when it happens. I guess everybody forgot about the terrorist attacks. It doesn't surprise me in this liberal oriented media and society.

A terrorist attack in inevitable anyway there dude, whether the country is lead by a liberal or not is not going to make one bit of difference, after all the first one happened under your conservative leader. And those "bleeding heart tree huggers" are sick of seeing a half trillion dollars of their tax money go to an unjustified and endless war in a big ass sand pit halfway across the world when crime rates are up and education scores are down compared to other leading countries, the economy is in a slump, devastated areas like New Orleans are still all sorts of fucked up, and our infrastructure is crumbling beneath us. See whats going on in Israel after the US stepped in and started fucking with stuff there? Thats exactly what is going to happen in Iraq. All this while Iraq posed no immediate threat to us in the first place, remember no WMDs or ties to Al-Queda were ever found. People are not going to like us, its a fact of life and there are too many of them to go around conquering each one for homeland security. 9/11 was a tragedy yes, but getting trigger happy and going around the world in a "war on terra" especially with basically no allied support is a horrible idea.

If this shit continues and theres a draft I think Lucky and Stevie are getting a new neighbor.

Thor that was really insightful, I gotta say I agree with you but didn't want to say anything cause I have no first hand experience with what is happening in America. also its not my place to say. But as an observer I can't see this war working out too well for America and the rest of north America (because we are dependant on you). But from what I've learned from Jon Stewart haha this is a "Mess"opotania.

If this shit continues and theres a draft I think Lucky and Stevie are getting a new neighbor.

That probably won't do you any good, considering the new North American Union - http://www.spp.gov/

America is going to hell in a hand basket and there is nothing that will change it, not even a different president.

That probably won't do you any good, considering the new North American Union - http://www.spp.gov/

America is going to hell in a hand basket and there is nothing that will change it, not even a different president.


-sigh- and so it starts....

The world hates us...and for good fucking reason. If we would just mind our own goddamn business and concentrate on what made this country great to begin with, we wouldn't even have to be having this conversation. IMO, the terrorists are kicking our ass even without attacking us anymore. They knew that Bush was a little hothead with a fist covered in oil and that if they did one large attack, he would come up with some clusterfuck of a reason to start invading countries and look what happened. Our economy went to shit faster than any other time I can remember besides The Great Depression.

I'm just gonna say it... We need to pull our troops out of Iraq and admit that we fucked up and admit defeat... It's gonna be no different than when we got our asses handed to us in the Vietnam war... Seriously... Our country fucked up big time and the last thing they wanna do is admit defeat cause they are too busy having a "bigger cock" war. I have friends who have already been sent over there on several tours and I don't think they should keep sending them back. That war is fuckin their minds up so bad and theres nothing worse than trying to put a soldier back into a normal civilians life...

And they sure as hell better not think about bringing this draft back, cause I'd be the last person on this planet that would back their asses up for their fuck up. Ok, so the politicians think they are so right about this war? Ok, strap their 18+ yr old children with guns and send them over there to fight for this country. Show us how "patriotic" they really are and how much they truly believe in this war... I guarantee you that their children and themselves would be the last ones who would ever get drafted for this damn war.

For those of you who are in the military and have been sent there and have defended us, I commend you. I would back up my fellow brothers, but not the politicians and the things they want done. They have gone and fucked up this country bad enough. Bush was just lookin for a good reason to go over there and finish up what daddy started. He wanted his dad to approve of him and he wants everyone to remember him as the one who set the Iraqis free from Saudam... Now instead, he will be remembered as a President who went and fucked things up. And I don't wanna hear one person try and defend him. I have seen all the facts, he is the one who used the Americans hunger for revenge to boost his approval ratings. He acted on selfishness, not on the best interest of the country. Yes I know 9/11 was a tragedy and that it was wrong and something needed to be done about it. Did our President make the right decision to do something about it? No...

If this draft comes back into play then they are gonna have a serious problem on their hands... Majority of this countries teenagers are more rebellious than teenagers have ever been before. Sure, give them a gun and then tell them what to do. I guarantee you the last thing they're gonna do is listen to some prick in their face yelling at them to do push ups...

This country is done for... Every great empire rises and falls... America is on a major down slide and nothing is slowing it down...

Canada will be a nice place to live when the shit hits the fan... Notice they don't get their asses into any trouble ever... Hell, half the world doesn't even give a shit about them and what they do. They have been the smartest ones during all this war bullshit...

Grrr...

Whew...

Blah...

Someone should lock this before this gets out of hand becasue it always does.

I have found this thread incredibly insightful. When it does get out of hand maybe. But so far I think its been incredibly curtious and clean.

Yeah, it has been pretty decent so far, I am going to leave it open. Just keep the personal attacks out of it ok ya'll?

Personally, I cannot beleive how this particular administration has consistently and unashamedly pissed on the Constitution, the very backbone of this country that seprates it from all the other countries in the world, the reason why everyone wants to come here, live here, work here. The reason why America is great. From the outing of Valerie Plame's identity to wire-tapping, from torture to illegal wars, I am in shock as how we have let these cronies, these damn businessmen, rape the very sanctity of America, all under our noses. Poltical parties forget, that they owe their allegience first and foremost to their country, before their party, which is why you will always see that degenerate ape Bill O'Reilly and the rest of the necon Nazis vehemently stick up for Bush everything he does, regardless of how serious the charge. Illegal war? The "9/11" ticket. Plame? We didn't do it. Wire-taps? We need to. Iraq? Oh yeah, we're staying the course and winning. ... It goes on.

Words fail me... I never thought it could come to this, but it has, and beyond. This administration has made America one of the most hated countries in the world. And that, my friends, is a tragedy, because Bush and his gangsters do not represent this country. This have used it and abused for personal gain, from the Bush legacy and past grieviences to Haliburton, the filth of ineptitude greed displayed by their every action has been, simply put, unprecedented. And after fucking up everything that could possibly be fucked up (international relations, healthcare, the military, the Middle East, anti-torture laws, the Constitution, Katrina, and so much more), not a single person in this bloody gang known as the Bush administration has had the honor, patriotism, sense of justice or integrity to come forward to accept blame for any of their screw ups. As for the Iraq war, Uncle Rummy, the most vocal advocate of the "they have WMDs" gig, has not had the decency to come clean and say "we fucked up". Then you have that snivling runt Collin Powell, who sold us the war with his little presentation at the UN, and then when he resigns, tells us "Oh, I always knew there were no WMDs"... how about having had the grace to say that out loud before you sold us those lies, sent 3700+ of our soldiers to die, killed untold civilians, and spent billions of bucks on a false war, asshole? And Cheney...dear lord, I don't even want to go there. The dude looks shady, jerking off Haliburton under the sheets, minting money off Iraqi contracts. Cover-up after cover-up, all this administration excels at every single time when confronted with their ground facts compared to their lies, is changing the subject. I hope to God these SOBs will be brought to justice one day for breaking every god damn rule in the book and treating America and the world theatre like their own little sandbox. Mark my words, they will go down in history as the most vile, most hatedl, most inept and perverse government in the history of the United States of America.

The thing I find the funniest about most of the war starter ( twin towers , 9/11 , terrorism , etc. ) is the fact that they found all these Iraq guys passports on these plane crashed but the planes were damn near vaporized from the flash burn of the jet fuel...no bodies , barely any material besides balls of molten metal but somehow these passports survived in perfect condition.

Another thiing is how the fuck was there 19 terrorist between the 3 planes that crashed however 16 of them are still alive today living in different places of the world? Interesting....

Don't even get me started on the thermite traces found..

I think it's funny how brain washed people are and 100% certain that the foreign terrorists did it...Terrorism comes in many forms such as Tyranny and Liberation.I think as a citizen of the current United States that the US GOV. is the worlds most dangerous terrorist of all.

The thing I find the funniest about most of the war starter ( twin towers , 9/11 , terrorism , etc. ) is the fact that they found all these Iraq guys passports on these plane crashed but the planes were damn near vaporized from the flash burn of the jet fuel...no bodies , barely any material besides balls of molten metal but somehow these passports survived in perfect condition.

Another thiing is how the fuck was there 19 terrorist between the 3 planes that crashed however 16 of them are still alive today living in different places of the world? Interesting....

Don't even get me started on the thermite traces found..

I think it's funny how brain washed people are and 100% certain that the foreign terrorists did it...Terrorism comes in many forms such as Tyranny and Liberation.I think as a citizen of the current United States that the US GOV. is the worlds most dangerous terrorist of all.


http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

Please read this.

Most of what you say is not true, at all.

Just wait for a few more years, there will be no more USA, just the North American Union. Be prepared to surrender all rights, because since there will be no USA, that means no constitution, or bill of rights.

Yes, I consider myself a "conspiracy theorist" but a lot of what was predicted to have come true, and all of the damn lies about everything, it's kinda hard not to see the whole big picture.

F this shit, I'm goin to Japan! lol

I kinda hope there isn't a north american union. Don't get me wrong I like the states but I think we are just different then you guys and basically since you are more dominant in every aspect we would basically just end up being subjected to whatever you wanted and essentially we would lose our independence.

It's too late bro, the "agreement" was already signed and put into action in 2005 lol. It will just be a matter of time before we start seeing some big changes.

I think some people just overthink things. Ok, we don't have the best governement in place, but elections are coming up. Most people who complain about certain officials won't even register to vote, but they'll still complain about them. Now does that make sense?

I just sit back and barely even watch. Ya, we will have more attacks, but that's a given. It can and will happen anywhere. Our freedom is not at stake here, neither are out rights. Ya, I believe we shouldn't be in Iraq, but we are. it was a choice that was made. Yes, we get lied to, and yes it's wrong. But it's gonig to happen forever to try to "protect us" from the truth. I personally will sit back, have fun and enjoy what I do. I don't even watch the news because personally I don't care. All they do is talk about nothing. The media makes up such a huge hype over nothing. The West Nile virus is a great example. My mom won't go outside barely because she's afraid she's giong to get it. She got bit by a spider or something once, heard West Nile on TV and said her bump started itching all crazy and she couldn't stop worrying then. Different situation, but same thing eventually. The media spreads more info than they know and have, just so they can make a story. How many times do you hear about a big fire where theres many people dead, and it later turns out to be an abondoned outhouse or something? They rush to conclusions and "shape" the words that the politians are saying to mean something else.

The draft, although talked about bringing it back, will almost never come back. Unless there was a world war or we were taking attacks like the US was Iraq, there won't be one. The US would lose too much money from the tax payers leaving to get away from it. They would have no money, no citizens, and no soldiers. It's impossible for the US to turn from where we are now into a down-ward spiral and crash overnight. Should it be going down, it won't be a big enough change in our life time to see a big difference.

Just wait for a few more years, there will be no more USA, just the North American Union. Be prepared to surrender all rights, because since there will be no USA, that means no constitution, or bill of rights. Yes, I consider myself a "conspiracy theorist" but a lot of what was predicted to have come true, and all of the damn lies about everything, it's kinda hard not to see the whole big picture.

F this shit, I'm goin to Japan! lol

I'm going to go with no.

Alot of what many people predict comes true. That doesn't necessarily make it completely true. Make a broad enough prediction and you can warp it to fit any event.

I think all of you give the US. Goverment to much credit. The answer is, it doesn't give a shit about you. We are a capitalistic government, they only care about one thing and that is money.

Destroying or radically changing the way the US is as a society, does not make sense to further the goal of the all mightly dollar. Especially since we as a country need money so bad.

Not pointing the finger particularly at you, but conspiracy theorists always claim to see the "big picture"? What is the big picture here that the rest of us are not seeing? If it's so common sense and picture clear, why is it not common knowledge?

I think that most conspiracy theorists are always looking for the grass knoll of anything that happens, even if it doesn't exsist. And give enough time, even the most evident truth, grounded in the most substantial evidence can hold inconsistencies.

Another basis of conspiracy theorists is often "think for yourself". Well by you presenting me with facts portraying events in the light of the conspiracy, are you not just encouraging me to engage in the same kind of thinking as you?

I think most people forget the reason why conspiracy theories don't see the light of day. And it's not because there is some mass conspiracy or that the government is hiding the facts. It's simply that the conspiracy doesn't exsist. For example:

John Doe creates a website detaling the 9/11 conspiracy, he finds pictures and items he finds questionable and writes at length about WT building strength. The temperature needed to heat steel, how hot jet fuel needs to be to burn. He looks at the site of the Pentagon and draws conclusions that a cruise missle hit the pentagon.

Does John Doe have a degree in structrual, chemical and mechanical engineering all that the same time? Is John Doe also at the same time a weapons designer for the US military? Also what great skill set does John Doe the conspiracy theorist have that makes him able to spot these things the American public can't? And yet at the same time 100 people who are specific to the fields that John Doe is talking about come forward to say he is wrong. But yet John Does idea has taken hold and people are now starting to think like John, despite what the evidence really says.

Now everyone has a right to their opinion and I respect all of your opinions. But I always love it when people stop telling me to be a sheep, and in turn just tell me to be a sheep for a smaller herd.

(This isn't directed at you Eclipsekid just kinda went off on a rant, but not aimed at you ;) )

It's too late bro, the "agreement" was already signed and put into action in 2005 lol. It will just be a matter of time before we start seeing some big changes.
What agreement are you talking about? :confused:

What agreement are you talking about? :confused:

http://www.spp.gov/

defiancy,

All I'm trying to say is that the big picture will be that the Bush admin is trying to create a union just like the one in Europe.

http://www.spp.gov/

defiancy,

All I'm trying to say is that the big picture will be that the Bush admin is trying to create a union just like the one in Europe.

I know, my particular post wasn't aimed so much at you, you just kinda got caught in my rant ;)

It's cool man, I like getting into intellectual arguments.

Way OT on this, but whatever happened to you moving back down to Florida? lol

It's cool man, I like getting into intellectual arguments.

Way OT on this, but whatever happened to you moving back down to Florida? lol

Ohh it's still on. I just kinda switched jobs when we were supposed to move last time, so I had to sit tight and save up. Now everything is going smoothly and we should be departing this shithole by the end of the year! We were looking at apartments and for a 2-bed LUXURY apt on the beach is 800 in Melbourne. We pay 995 right now and live 20 miles from the beach! Definately looking forward to cheaper rent and cost of living ;)

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

Please read this.

Most of what you say is not true, at all.


Watch the Zeitgeist and be a little more informed on America's true corruption level and the bullshit cover ups. America has a filthy government and a permanently revolving depression for economy. America isn't as clean and great and free as everyone thinks it is.

Everything in one way or another is a form of brain washing and America has it the worst.
Declassified documents help a lot..

I kinda hope there isn't a north american union. Don't get me wrong I like the states but I think we are just different then you guys and basically since you are more dominant in every aspect we would basically just end up being subjected to whatever you wanted and essentially we would lose our independence.


The whole world is the stage , not just north america...

I think some people just overthink things. Ok, we don't have the best governement in place, but elections are coming up. Most people who complain about certain officials won't even register to vote, but they'll still complain about them. Now does that make sense?

I just sit back and barely even watch. Ya, we will have more attacks, but that's a given. It can and will happen anywhere. Our freedom is not at stake here, neither are out rights. Ya, I believe we shouldn't be in Iraq, but we are. it was a choice that was made. Yes, we get lied to, and yes it's wrong. But it's gonig to happen forever to try to "protect us" from the truth. I personally will sit back, have fun and enjoy what I do. I don't even watch the news because personally I don't care. All they do is talk about nothing. The media makes up such a huge hype over nothing. The West Nile virus is a great example. My mom won't go outside barely because she's afraid she's giong to get it. She got bit by a spider or something once, heard West Nile on TV and said her bump started itching all crazy and she couldn't stop worrying then. Different situation, but same thing eventually. The media spreads more info than they know and have, just so they can make a story. How many times do you hear about a big fire where theres many people dead, and it later turns out to be an abondoned outhouse or something? They rush to conclusions and "shape" the words that the politians are saying to mean something else.

The draft, although talked about bringing it back, will almost never come back. Unless there was a world war or we were taking attacks like the US was Iraq, there won't be one. The US would lose too much money from the tax payers leaving to get away from it. They would have no money, no citizens, and no soldiers. It's impossible for the US to turn from where we are now into a down-ward spiral and crash overnight. Should it be going down, it won't be a big enough change in our life time to see a big difference.

You do realize the U.S government and Federal Reserve ( Which owns fucking EVERYTHING ) profits the most during times of war right ?

well its certainly not the soldiers raking it in

The thing I find the funniest about most of the war starter ( twin towers , 9/11 , terrorism , etc. ) is the fact that they found all these Iraq guys passports on these plane crashed but the planes were damn near vaporized from the flash burn of the jet fuel...no bodies , barely any material besides balls of molten metal but somehow these passports survived in perfect condition.

Something about this dosn't sound right. To my knowledge, most of the terrorists involved in 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. And there are a lot of reports that their government helped fund it. Yet we have a great relationship with the Saudi prince...I'm sure you can all guess why.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizers_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks#Suspe cted_hijackers

You do realize the U.S government and Federal Reserve ( Which owns fucking EVERYTHING ) profits the most during times of war right ?

It's not the government that is profiting from this war, it is the PEOPLE running the government who are pocketing the profits. Haliburton is a great example. Our economy is in shambles and cash poor. Why do you think the FED lowered the prime interest rate 0.5%? To get Americans circulating money because they are starting to get the idea that if you just print more, it goes down in value...

Watch the Zeitgeist and be a little more informed on America's true corruption level and the bullshit cover ups. America has a filthy government and a permanently revolving depression for economy. America isn't as clean and great and free as everyone thinks it is.

Everything in one way or another is a form of brain washing and America has it the worst.
Declassified documents help a lot..

Trust me, I know. I've already seen Zeitgeist.

There is just so much secrecy and so many lies it's just sickening.

As for the government profiting from war, that is absolutely correct. Take a look at the company called Bechtel. If you wanna research it, first read about what the "public" company is, then REALLY research it and find out their involvements. There is a lot of info that can be found on Wikipedia, so it's a good search start.

If you have any trouble finding the "good" stuff, pm me.

Happy reading :smokin:

Hmmm... I am learning even more than I knew before... This is slightly disturbing...


Damn it... I'm gonna get dragged back into the whole conspiracy phase I went through...

Hmmm... I am learning even more than I knew before... This is slightly disturbing...


Damn it... I'm gonna get dragged back into the whole conspiracy phase I went through...


There is a lot of unsettling information about the governments and actually ownership of countries out there. Most are either blind , brainwashed or so caught up in 'American Glory' and have their heads up their asses to think for themselves and just believe anything published through media...What would it be like without TV and Internet.

Only things that bothers me is the fact during times of war mostly but at any point if they see fit or just want to screw someone over , the U.S. government has the right to seize all your assest and by all I do mean ALL if they think they need it which is bullshit and the Federal Reserve Act.

Everything was planned , executed and through both WW's , ties can be made between each country and the Federal Reserves..Funyn how the same company owned by a Fed. Reserve. was manufacturing and funding 2 sides of a war.

Something about this dosn't sound right. To my knowledge, most of the terrorists involved in 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. And there are a lot of reports that their government helped fund it. Yet we have a great relationship with the Saudi prince...I'm sure you can all guess why.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizers_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks#Suspe cted_hijackers



It's not the government that is profiting from this war, it is the PEOPLE running the government who are pocketing the profits. Haliburton is a great example. Our economy is in shambles and cash poor. Why do you think the FED lowered the prime interest rate 0.5%? To get Americans circulating money because they are starting to get the idea that if you just print more, it goes down in value...

Did you know the top 10 profiting companies in iraq are american...

I'm sorry dude, this is not a personal attack but I think you need to be more careful about where you get your info from.

First off, there is no way in hell we are profiting from this war. Where it may be true that the handful of poeple with companies over there are raking in maybe in the millions, thats a drop in the bucket to what we have going in there. Plus Iraq isnt exactly a developed nation especially at the moment, and I think we have a duty to help rebuild as we are the ones that blasted the fuck out of it in the first place. Neither the government, federal reserve, nor its officials are profiting from this war. Officials are payed a flat sum, Bush is getting no "conquering third world countries" bonus on his pay stub. Cheney's role in whatever company he was/is with is beside the point, besides there is no way a vice president of all things could start a war for a few extra bucks in his pocket. As for the government, remember we are deficit spending like a mother fucker to fund this war so by definition there will be no extra money (i.e. profit) coming in, infact its the opposite. Remember, this is a half trillion dollars we spent over there, Bechtel's supposed huge ass profit for its Iraqi contract is $34.6 million a maximum of $680 million (which is not pure profit mind you, expenses still have to come from that) and even if its maxed out, its still a mere .14% of what we have spent over there so far.

Though sometimes the government seems to not care about its constituents, they are not out to fuck you either. Why would people sit around and seize peoples shit just to do it? And why would they take someone's shit, which regardless of the person is VERY small in comparison to what they need, when they can just keep deficit spending like they are? Lets be real now, whether they have the power to or not, it doesnt matter because the good it would do for them is nothing.

Like I said, this is no personal attack, but much of what you say plays on emotions, is backed up by little or nothing, and makes no logical sense. Come on now dude, saying the federal reserve funded both sides of WWII? The Government flying planes into the TWC? A sidewinder missile getting shot at the pentagon and a plane magically appearing in the hole? Please tell me you dont really believe that bull shit. I'm not saying theres not a fishy thing or two going on in the government, but you guys are blowing it way out of proportion.

There is a lot of unsettling information about the governments and actually ownership of countries out there. Most are either blind , brainwashed or so caught up in 'American Glory' and have their heads up their asses to think for themselves and just believe anything published through media...What would it be like without TV and Internet.

Only things that bothers me is the fact during times of war mostly but at any point if they see fit or just want to screw someone over , the U.S. government has the right to seize all your assest and by all I do mean ALL if they think they need it which is bullshit and the Federal Reserve Act.

Everything was planned , executed and through both WW's , ties can be made between each country and the Federal Reserves..Funyn how the same company owned by a Fed. Reserve. was manufacturing and funding 2 sides of a war.

Sounds like instead of thinking for yourself, you bought into someone elses propaganda. You say think for yourself, but yet you reference an independent film for your ideas?

While I agree with you, certain parts of the US are profiting during this time of war. Halburton is a good example, or we can go with Blackwater. Heck, I'm sure there are certain politicians that are part of those companies or benefit greatly from those. But that is nothing new, it's call politics and it's been going on for a few thousand years now.Either way that like Thor said is not the goverment as a whole. You can see at any time the budget of the US and what exactly they are spending the nations money on. It's no great secret.

I do agree with what you said on the US govt being a secretive government. Of course it is, every government has it's secrets and most of the time I believe that the government has secrets for the benefit of it's citizens.

You can sit there and say that people are pawns, don't think for themself whatever. But simple fact is that people pay taxes. And it doesn't pay to piss of the people that pay the taxes to run the country. So I fail to see the government as this great big dark entity that conspiracy theorists like to say it is.

You make the point that the government could do this or that. Well I'm sure the government can do alot of things, that doesn't necessarily mean they do it. They could round all of us up and put us in camps if they wanted to. Is that likely to ever happen? No. But it's just about as likely to happen as the government coming and seizing all your property "because they need it".

Did you know the top 10 profiting companies in iraq are american...

This is probably because those companies are over there supporting American troops, which happen to be the majority of the force over there. Not only that, the US government is the one helping Iraq rebuild their country, No crap all the reconstruction and support contracts are American, they certainly aren't going to give them to the French.

Thor and Defiancy , You guys have a lot to learn =)

No point in arguing with people though who's minds are closed to the possiblity that the government couldn't give two fucks about the people they govern or anything for that matter but money and tyranny + domination = Brainwashed.

Hmmm this thread is turning downhill quite fast now....

:shakehead

Thor and Defiancy , You guys have a lot to learn =)

No point in arguing with people though who's minds are closed to the possiblity that the government couldn't give two fucks about the people they govern or anything for that matter but money and tyranny + domination = Brainwashed.

Who's minds are closed? So far all you have provided is weak arguments. To me it looks like you are the only one who is close minded by implying that your beliefs are absolute. I don't see the valid points in any of your arguments and you have provided no evidence to support any of your claims. Neither me nor Thor turned this into an ad homemin attack yet you have.

Insulting me and Thor because your argument is weak is laughable.

Understand, I have no personal problem with you, but if you aren't going to argue your point in a discussion forum, what was the point of saying anything in the first place?

I like cookies. :popcorn:

I like cookies. :popcorn:
Me too. Espeically OREOs.


And this is a car discussion forum.

Thor and Defiancy , You guys have a lot to learn =)

No point in arguing with people though who's minds are closed to the possiblity that the government couldn't give two fucks about the people they govern or anything for that matter but money and tyranny + domination = Brainwashed.
Dude... That was a low blow for no reason at all. This is a discussion, not a comparison of who thinks they know more... :nono:

For all we know the freakin Chinese could be in control of the whole damn world and nobody would even know it... So back off on personal blows saying somebody doesn't know something, cause like I said, we all could be wrong about it all...

Me too. Espeically OREOs.


And this is a car discussion forum.

Last time I checked this was the Off Topic section of the car discussion forum :p

Yeah its all in good fun. Many of us are good friends on here and actually a pretty healthy percentage dont even have DSMs. In my eyes we're a social board and occasionally we help people with their cars :p. Now back to topic!

Yes, Oreos do kick ass, but they are a government conspiracy to make us all fat and die of obesity so they can have all the money they are getting from Iraq for themselves! I personally prefer the non war funded cookie Chips Deluxe. ;)

This thread FTMFL.

This thread FTMFL.
thats one acronym I haven't learned yet.

thats one acronym I haven't learned yet.

I'll take a stab at it...

*For The Mother Fuckin' Loss*

I'll take a stab at it...

*For The Mother Fuckin' Loss*
For the major fuckin loss...


Noob... :disappoin








:p :icon16:

Hey I thought it was what |_eclipse_| said too... and I'm no nOOb.

FTL = For The Loss
FTMFL = For The Mother Fucking Loss
FTMFGDL = For The Mother Fucking God Damn Loss

Lol China is really tryin to kill us with all of their "made in China" lead paint in the Matel toys :banghead:

For the major fuckin loss...


Noob... :disappoin








:p :icon16:

FTL = For The Loss
FTMFL = For The Mother Fucking Loss
FTMFGDL = For The Mother Fucking God Damn Loss


:newbie:

Damn it...

Damn it...
:owned: :nutkick: :boink:

If this shit continues and theres a draft I think Lucky and Stevie are getting a new neighbor.


make that 2