Buying a turbo...need advice

I found a Turbonetics T62-1 turbo for sale. The guy says it has minor side to side shaft play but, no in and out. He also said it has never smoked. I am getting the guy to measure the side to side play so I'll post that up later. The turbo will fit the stock manifold which is what I was looking for. The turbo is also both oil and water cooled. Anyone with input who has ran this or a very similiar turbo would be very appreciated. Also how much would you pay for this turbo.

I found a Turbonetics T62-1 turbo for sale. The guy says it has minor side to side shaft play but, no in and out. He also said it has never smoked. I am getting the guy to measure the side to side play so I'll post that up later. The turbo will fit the stock manifold which is what I was looking for. The turbo is also both oil and water cooled. Anyone with input who has ran this or a very similiar turbo would be very appreciated. Also how much would you pay for this turbo.




i know this isnt what you wanted, but the evo3 turbo is a nice pick. Its a quick spool, nice gains, and im 99.9% positive it will fit on the stock manifold. Its not the turbo you are talking about, but its a nice choice. Runs for 6-7 hundred im pretty sure..... slowboyracing.com has it if you are interested.....

:lol: Yes, an E16g will fit on the stock manifold and they are like $580 or some shit.

There should be SOME side to side, but not much. There is supposed to be so the oil can get in there and lubricate shit. I personally dont like turbonetics turbos and not for any particular reason, except that its water cooled (which I think is redundant as hell) and because I thought they all needed a T3 flange. Cost entirely depends upon over all condition, how much they were new, and how bad you want it.

Isn't turbonetics the guys who do those cheap turbo kits for cars?


If you look at it and all seems good, I wouldn't pay more than $600-$700 for that turbo. If it's what i think it is and is based on the GT35R, than you can always pick up a similar PTE turbo with the stock mitsu housing for around 1k new.

Isn't turbonetics the guys who do those cheap turbo kits for cars?


If you look at it and all seems good, I wouldn't pay more than $600-$700 for that turbo. If it's what i think it is and is based on the GT35R, than you can always pick up a similar PTE turbo with the stock mitsu housing for around 1k new.

No, i dont think i have ever heard of a cheap turbo from turbonetics, they have really nice intercoolers, but i always think of turbonetics as a overpriced company. I personally think they are more for show, i mean look at some of their turbos, they are painted all nice and have the name imbedded in them all pretty..... you really dont see that too often, or at least i havent...i really dont like them. But, yea... i think greddy tries to send out some cheap kits sometimes, i have seen whole kits from them before for like a grand, which to me just seems sketchy. I'm a really big fan of the Evo 16g, its a great turbo, its not too expensive, im pretty sure they are about $580 or so, like Thor06 said.

I would go for the evo 16g but I just had a forged/bored/stroked motor built and I'm looking to utilize a little more than a 16g's powers worth. Spool up time shouldn't be too horrible with help from the cams/stroker and what not. The guy is taking offers starting at $350. I sent him and email asking about it and this is what I got back:

"The turbo can hadle boost fine the reason why it has small shaft play is becaseu the o-ring clip on the hot side compressor wheel is worn a bit,( not expensive to fix, turbo netics told me 110 total with shipping to fix."

I'm going to call a turbo shop I know tommarow and ask them how much they would want to repair this particular problem. BTW he said it will bolt right up to any stock dsm manifold. He even has the gasket to go with it if needed.

I wouldnt fuck around with it dude, not if theres an excuse for the shaft play. Turbonetics turbos are not exactly cheap IIRC so the fact that he is selling it for a lot less than new (turbos generally seem to be like 2/3 to 3/4 of new price from what I have seen) and that he knows theres too much shaft play puts the turbo out of the question in my mind. That plus the whole water cooled part and how much I doubt that its really a mitsu flange. I would just save a bit more and get a PTE or a FP Red or something. Hell, I think PTE makes a bolt on version of the 35R, with your stroker thats thats what I would do.

Just checked, thats a $1700 turbo from the manufacturer. If hes really selling it for about a fifth off its shelf value its gotta be blown. I'm not much of a fan of rebuilding turbos, if you are then go for it, but I would for sure pass.

I would just save a bit more and get a PTE or a FP Red or something. Hell, I think PTE makes a bolt on version of the 35R, with your stroker thats thats what I would do.




:iamwithst

See two posts up ;)

So if you want a bolt on turbo just go to extremepsi.com and get the Bullseye turbos. Bolt on to mitsu exhaust manifold, internally gated, and rated up to 600hp. Also I think they are like $700 which is 200 more then big 16G BUT more potential. Lag shouldnt be bad since you have build motor with support mods. Thats what I would do. Or get 20G :).

I tried calling turbonetics about repairing the part and they were dicks. The guy im trying to get it from is being shady. The whole deal just isn't feeling right so, I'm going to look around some more. Thanks guys.

I found this turbo by bullseye that fits my current goals pretty well. I want an internal wastegate but, would I need an install kit? The turbo I have now is both oil and water cooled so all the lines are already ran. Couldn't I just straight swap the turbo out for the new one?

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=18906&cat=961&page=1

i'm also confused on which turbo to get. I was looking at Force Performance's 18g turbo ( http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTDSM18G6SL2&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo ) it seems like a nice deal. With the Evo 3 i got right now, it isnt bad...but i want more top end!! im wondering if the force performance 18g is more like the evo 3 or does the 18g give out more at the top end??

As I have heard it put, 18g's: power of an Evo III 16g, lag of a 20g. I think if you are wanting more top end, I would think some more aggressive cams would help you out there plus give you a cool sounding idle :p.

I found this turbo by bullseye that fits my current goals pretty well. I want an internal wastegate but, would I need an install kit? The turbo I have now is both oil and water cooled so all the lines are already ran. Couldn't I just straight swap the turbo out for the new one?

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=18906&cat=961&page=1


To answer your questions yes. It says that the turbo is a direct bolt on. I would advise buying new oil feed lines if you are running stockers. But other than that it should work like gravy.

And I have to say that, that is definately a nice choice.

FP Red FTW!!! IMO

No, i dont think i have ever heard of a cheap turbo from turbonetics, they have really nice intercoolers, but i always think of turbonetics as a overpriced company. I personally think they are more for show, i mean look at some of their turbos, they are painted all nice and have the name imbedded in them all pretty..... you really dont see that too often, or at least i havent...i really dont like them. But, yea... i think greddy tries to send out some cheap kits sometimes, i have seen whole kits from them before for like a grand, which to me just seems sketchy. I'm a really big fan of the Evo 16g, its a great turbo, its not too expensive, im pretty sure they are about $580 or so, like Thor06 said.

420A guy giving advice on turbos!?!?! wow! :banghead:

Bullseye < FP Red!!!

Heeeeyyyyyyy easy there Black99GST...

With your setup you can afford to get rediculous. SCM 61 is the way I'm going with a 2.0. I've been researching lately and full boost looks to be in the 4k-4.4k range. A good bit less I'm sure with your stroker. IIRC in one of Kevin's older posts, he was flowing 50lbs/min on his 20G at 3600 rpms on his stroker. All of this talk about it makes me want to go for the 2.3 now. Well good luck on whatever you decide.

As I have heard it put, 18g's: power of an Evo III 16g, lag of a 20g. I think if you are wanting more top end, I would think some more aggressive cams would help you out there plus give you a cool sounding idle :p.

im planning to get BC 272's...unless you guys would suggest something else. im planning to the the 18g than go the BC 272's and a retune.

Thing you gotta remember, 2.3 = less revs. I read a pretty good article a while back on why certain motors are more apt to higher revs. There is sort of a sweet spot in the rod ratio spectrum (ratio of rod length to stroke IIRC) that likes revs more than others. IIRC the "sweet spot" was like 1.7 and the 2.0 4g63 is very close to that. The 2.3 on the other hand is way the fuck off. I would personally rather have a 2.0 that revs to 9k+ than a 2.3 that shouldnt go much past 7500. I can definately see the advantages of a 2.3, but I think the 2.0 is the way to go.

You make a good point. I guess every mod you make has its positive and negative sides. Even on the 2.0, I try not to get close to the rev limiter, hell i try not to even redline it. Maybe I'm being a little too cautious.

im planning to get BC 272's...unless you guys would suggest something else. im planning to the the 18g than go the BC 272's and a retune.

I would suggest not getting the 18g, but it's your money, and if thats what you want then go for it. The 272's will make a nice addition to any turbo you plan on getting.

:1: for no 18g. Its such a minute step up from a evo III, might as well go with a decent turbo like a 20g or a 50 trim or something.

Thing you gotta remember, 2.3 = less revs. I read a pretty good article a while back on why certain motors are more apt to higher revs. There is sort of a sweet spot in the rod ratio spectrum (ratio of rod length to stroke IIRC) that likes revs more than others. IIRC the "sweet spot" was like 1.7 and the 2.0 4g63 is very close to that. The 2.3 on the other hand is way the fuck off. I would personally rather have a 2.0 that revs to 9k+ than a 2.3 that shouldnt go much past 7500. I can definately see the advantages of a 2.3, but I think the 2.0 is the way to go.

Well when you have a 2.0 and it takes you until 5k-6k to spool a 61 trim. You need to be able to rev to 9k. The stroker guys spool much ealier, therfore don't need to hit 9k ;)

:1: for no 18g. Its such a minute step up from a evo III, might as well go with a decent turbo like a 20g or a 50 trim or something.

any suggestions on which 50 trim to get than?? i still want to hold the internal wastegate for now.

any suggestions on which 50 trim to get than?? i still want to hold the internal wastegate for now.
MHI 20G :2cents:

I would deffinatly not go for the 18g or 20g. They are way overpriced IMO. As for the stroker and lower max revs, that point is very true. However, they are not as low as you think. Shaun at extreme motorsports has the same setup (2.3 stroker) in his evo. He said he can take it out nearly to 8.5K rpms without seeing it drop off. This of course depends on your other supporting mods such as cams and the turbo.

any suggestions on which 50 trim to get than?? i still want to hold the internal wastegate for now.

There are lots and lots of 50 trims that you can run on an internal wastegate. This 57trim I'm looking at can run with an internal. However you can upgrade to an external if you want it later on down the road. As of now I'm going with the internal wastegate. Just look around. www.extremepsi.com is the best and cheapest site for dsm parts I have found to date.

I'm for any PTE turbo, I would hit up a SCM50 if I was you. I realize this about the 2.3, but if Rau, Shep, and a lot of the other really fast guys are still doing it 2.0 then theres got to be a reason.

Other good things about the 2.3 you will get effectively the same spooled RPM range either way, but the 2.3 will just be shifted down a bit. This is nice for trannies that are less than perfect (like most DSM trannies) because they dont have to shift at such high RPMs. However, I feel if you have a stroker motor and the turbo + bolt ons to support it, you an afford a built tranny. My other thought on the 2.3 is that yes you get spool sooner, but I like the later spool of a, say, 35R. IMO my 16g is just way to fucking small, drives me nuts that I cant do much of anything without boosting. Thats part of the stock appearing game though so I deal :p.

Haha yes I agree completely with you. With everything there will be ups and downs. Like the decrease in gas milage with a 2.3L haha. As for my tranny... well I'm working on that. It is basically stock but, with a very fresh rebuild and a (cough)stock clutch(cough). Its still a work in progress and as of now I'm more concerned of making it go. Good point with the lower rpms shift point though.

As of now I'm 90% sure I'm going with this T04B 57trim for the time being. It will support up to 500whp and that is enough to keep me busy for a little bit while I upgrade the rest of the car. I need about another week and I should have all the money for the turbo. I'll post up my install and what not when I'm done. Oh yeah and a dyno sheet.

Go me, no more n00b mess!

personally im a fan of spool in the lower RPM range and the 2.3L becasue my cars going to be a street car and that low and for me that low end is what i want in my DD so as usual it always comes down to a matter of preference and application. Does anyone make a supercharger for the dsm's??? lol

Haha never heard of a supercharger yet haha. I also like the low end torque. This car will mainly be a street car so I deffinatly wanted the extra torque for lets say launching at stop lights(not that I would ever do that...). If I was building a track car I would have deffinatly stuck with the 2.0L though.

Yesterday around lunch time I ordered my Bullseye T04B 57 trim from www.extrempsi.com Today when I got home from work it was sitting on my front porch. Very fitting seeings how today is my birthday. This thing is going on asap. Dyno sheet coming soon...