Monterey 2007

F1FREAKZILLA

08-22-2007, 12:39 AM

Does anyone know if any F1s were in Monterey at any of the
events this year? I know last year SVAG sold the yellow one at auction
and now it is white. I have not heard of a single one being there in
2007 but I could be very wrong. If there was one and anyone
has pics do post them here if you can.

thanks in advance

hurstg01

08-22-2007, 01:37 AM

^^I haven't heard anything yet......

countachal

08-23-2007, 10:39 AM

I have just returned from Monterey and as far as i am aware, there were no F1s in the area. I say as far as im aware as it is such a large occassion over so many different areas and events that no body gets to see everything. Though i am 95% certain there was no F1 activity this year. Sorry!

PatrickT82

08-23-2007, 04:53 PM

Alan please sum up the supercars you saw!

I allready know: Cizeta, Vector, CLK-GTR.

drooool;-)

ArchangelGTR

08-23-2007, 09:04 PM

Any pics of Aston Martin's newly revealed DBS?

countachal

08-24-2007, 02:41 PM

Alan please sum up the supercars you saw!

I allready know: Cizeta, Vector, CLK-GTR.

drooool;-)
Well a quick sum up includes those you have listed also 5 Veyrons over 15 Countach, about 5 Miuras, too many Diablos and Murcielagos to count! XJ220, SLR 722, 2 Saleen S7, various F40s, an Enzo and a huge amount of classics such as 250 California, Aston Zagato etc etc.:iceslolan Didnt see the DBS.

hurstg01

08-24-2007, 03:28 PM

over 15 Countach

It was worth it then Al! Any unique shots?

mini magic

08-24-2007, 09:39 PM

The DBS was there though

PatrickT82

08-25-2007, 08:35 AM

yes I saw pics at supercars.net

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-25-2007, 12:48 PM

It appears Don Wallace's CLK-GTR was up at auction although there is conflicting info on RM's website. Don's car is the #1 chassis and is a silver SuperSport version (I have a photo of the chassis plaque). However, the description of the car for sale is also #1 and a silver SuperSport, but it says the other SuperSport is #17 and resides in South Florida (technically Don Wallace lives in Tampa, which is pretty much central FL). Seems odd since he really only collects the first and last cars. He had the 1st MC12, 1st Veyron in US, 1st CLK-GTR, last Enzo (Pope), and one of the last road F1s.

Peloton25

08-25-2007, 01:23 PM

countachal

08-25-2007, 03:03 PM

It was Mr Wallace's car that was up for auction, it does have a supersport engine and is car number one. It did not sell however. I spoke to the Mercedes benz man, responsible for all the CLK GTRs and he confirmed that the 'real' Supersport is in Florida. Also that there are three in the U.S. Those being Mr Wallaces, Gerds (i presume) and the Supersport. Interestingly he told me that if a Californian wanted one that it could be done legally, to meet thier emmissions standards and with no loss of Horse power!?

by the way what is the best place for monterey pics, as i know this is the F1 thread area?

countachal

08-25-2007, 03:09 PM

The DBS was there though
Yes you are right i realise it was there now, but im afraid it just didnt register on my radar! Too many other amazing rare exotics and classics to notice a db9 with a body kit.:lol:

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-25-2007, 03:11 PM

Gerd Petrik has (or had?) a CLK GTR in his collection - maybe that is the other Florida car being referenced. I am only speculating as I don't have much knowledge on any specific CLK GTR

He's in the Sarasota/Venice area which isn't really South Florida either...?

>8^)
ER

Right, Gerd is in Osprey, which is a little south of Sarasota/Bradenton on the west coast of Florida. The weird thing is, Don's CLK-GTR has the mirrors mounted on the a-pillars whereas every other CLK-GTR has them mounted on the front fenders (including Gerd's). Everything about this car screams Don Wallace's, but I've never heard of Gerd's being a SS as well. I saw his car in like 2001 and it was a normal CLK-GTR. The red SuperSport was still red and for sale by Auto Salon at that time so it's weird...

Here's a little detective work, Peloton style. :D

Red SS that was for sale at Auto-Salon-Singen. Shows #17 of 25. Notice mirror location, roof antenna, lack of turn signal next to door:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4683/72078682xw5.th.jpg (http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=72078682xw5.jpg) http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8655/37473895pr8.th.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=37473895pr8.jpg)

Silver SS that was for sale at Auto-Salon-Singen. Notice same mirror location, badging, roof antenna, and no turn signal next to door:
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4686/72016524ym3.th.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=72016524ym3.jpg) http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6503/64901374zz4.th.jpg (http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=64901374zz4.jpg)

Silver SS at Monterey that was being auction off. Notice mirror location on the A-pillar, lack of badging, no roof antenna, and it has a turn signal next to the door:
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/4284/21953139nj2.th.jpg (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21953139nj2.jpg) http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/808/rmauctionmonterey32pv1.th.jpg (http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmauctionmonterey32pv1.jpg) http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5527/rmauctionmonterey43ii8.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmauctionmonterey43ii8.jpg)

Silver (they told me SS) at Celebration. Don Wallace's. Notice mirror location and lack of roof antenna, but it has turn signal next to the door:
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6926/dsc01962nw0.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01962nw0.jpg)
Don's CLK-GTR at the Tampa show. Notice the mirrors again. Pic of the chassis plaque. No roof antenna, but has turn signal next to the door:
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3510/z1fxc0.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=z1fxc0.jpg) http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/2690/z1imp3.th.jpg (http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=z1imp3.jpg)

And just to compare to Gerd's. Notice side mirrors and lack of SS badges compared to the silver at Auto-Salon. No roof antenna and it has the turn signal:
At Mt. Dora: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9045/43248666ou4.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=43248666ou4.jpg)
At Winter Park: http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/4365/50331926iw6.th.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=50331926iw6.jpg) http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2812/38342374ti4.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=38342374ti4.jpg)

So it appears Don is selling his CLK-GTR. I know he sold his MC12 a while back. Does this mean his F1 will be going up for sale soon? :)

countachal

08-25-2007, 03:17 PM

Mr Wallaces car has a supersport grade engine that was 'retrofitted' at the factory. The red car with tan laether, shown above was originally supplied with a supersport engine and as such is regarded as the true Supersport, it was resprayed silver and had dark leather fitted, and is the same car resold later at Auto salon singen also shown above, as the Mercedes man told me. So basically there are two Supersport engined cars, one real, the other Mr Wallaces.

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-25-2007, 03:31 PM

I spoke to the Mercedes benz man, responsible for all the CLK GTRs and he confirmed that the 'real' Supersport is in Florida. Also that there are three in the U.S. Those being Mr Wallaces, Gerds (i presume) and the Supersport.

Interesting. I'm assuming you're only talking about the coupes and not any of the roadsters (like the one Peloton saw in Cali). Don, Gerd, and someone else each have a CLK-GTR in Florida?! :) Sounds good to me! :D

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-25-2007, 03:33 PM

Here are two galleries. The Veyron looks terrible in those colors:

http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/1484/1.html
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/pebble-beach-week-2007-rm-auction-preview/

countachal

08-25-2007, 03:44 PM

Yes im just talking about the 25 Coupes.

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-25-2007, 03:55 PM

Gerd's is #04 according to post 12 in this thread: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79094&highlight=gerd

Don's is #01
Gerd's is #04
Someone is #17

:)

Peloton25

08-25-2007, 05:11 PM

Might as well stick your Monterey pics in this thread if you want Al. One off-topic thread from someone who is normally a on-topic contributor is not going to kill the forum or set a terrible precedent I don't think.

>8^)
ER

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-25-2007, 05:21 PM

countachal

08-25-2007, 06:03 PM

F1FREAKZILLA

08-25-2007, 09:43 PM

How much did they want for the CLK-GTR?
What did the silver and black Veyron say in the back?

also I have seen the yellow and black Veyron
was the other one all black with tan interior?

the one SVAG sold was all black and they guy that bought it lives in my neighborhood

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-25-2007, 10:44 PM

How much did they want for the CLK-GTR?

est $1.5-2.0 million. Did not sell at highest bid of $1.2 million

pimp349

08-25-2007, 10:48 PM

Here's a little detective work, Peloton style.

Holy crap man, great job! Be honest, who killed JFK? :lol:

So its 25 coupes, 5 roadsters, and how many of the SS?

F1FREAKZILLA

08-26-2007, 01:19 AM

countachal

if you have anymore Veyron pics please post them

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-26-2007, 07:53 AM

Holy crap man, great job! Be honest, who killed JFK? :lol:

So its 25 coupes, 5 roadsters, and how many of the SS?

Of the 25 coupes, two are SS models. Chassis #01/25 (SS spec engine) and #17/25 (true SS).

pimp349

08-26-2007, 11:50 AM

Thanks. So only one real SS and one "regular" coupe with SS engine? None of the roadsters were SS, correct? For some reason I believed the SS had its own "production run" if you know what I mean...

basman007

08-26-2007, 12:52 PM

Of the 25 coupes, two are SS models. Chassis #01/25 (SS spec engine) and #17/25 (true SS).
According to my information there are 4 SS's:

#17/25 is the official/original SS by HWA, was red and is now silver, ex-UAE and is now located in Florida (#17)

#03/25 has the 7,3 litre SS engine, was the 1st to be fitted with this engine, is silver and is located in Dubai, owned by Mohammed Bin Sulayem.

#01/25 homologation car, SS-spec (according to RM auctions it was fitted with the 7,3 AMG at the start of his life; it never had the 6,9????), is silver, loacted in Florida, owned by Don Wallace.

#??/25 RHD CLK GTR with the SS-spec engine, silver, ex-Brunei (Royal Family) and currently in Singapore

basman007

08-26-2007, 12:56 PM

Thanks. So only one real SS and one "regular" coupe with SS engine? None of the roadsters were SS, correct? For some reason I believed the SS had its own "production run" if you know what I mean...

To my knowledge there are no known Roadster converions known today, though there is a big chance that the ex-Brunei Roadster was fitted with the SS engine by HWA, but I have yet to find proof of that.

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-26-2007, 01:19 PM

#03/25 has the 7,3 litre SS engine, was the 1st to be fitted with this engine, is silver and is located in Dubai, owned by Mohammed Bin Sulayem.

Do you have pictures of this? I only have two photos of his car, but do you have one of the chassis plaque? Btw, where did you find out it has the SS engine? I could only find an article by Supercars.net saying that, but I don't know the accuracy of it.

basman007

08-26-2007, 01:32 PM

Do you have pictures of this? I only have two photos of his car, but do you have one of the chassis plaque? Btw, where did you find out it has the SS engine? I could only find an article by Supercars.net saying that, but I don't know the accuracy of it.
both the chassis number and the engine upgrade are in this 5th gear video:
http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos/02-23-07page-Mercedes-CLK-GTR.htm

edit: not that that chassis number is easy too read lol :p;)

basman007

08-26-2007, 01:44 PM

Do you have pictures of this? I only have two photos of his car, but do you have one of the chassis plaque? Btw, where did you find out it has the SS engine? I could only find an article by Supercars.net saying that, but I don't know the accuracy of it.
Oh yeah, the pics :)

[img=http://img177.imagevenue.com/loc598/th_53930_01ha9_122_598lo.jpg] (http://img177.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53930_01ha9_122_598lo.jpg)
[img=http://img31.imagevenue.com/loc618/th_53931_34yu252_122_618lo.jpg] (http://img31.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53931_34yu252_122_618lo.jpg)
[img=http://img170.imagevenue.com/loc769/th_53944_15465dubai117tg5_122_769lo.jpg] (http://img170.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53944_15465dubai117tg5_122_769lo.jpg )
[img=http://img153.imagevenue.com/loc1198/th_53945_2312549a_122_1198lo.jpg] (http://img153.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53945_2312549a_122_1198lo.jpg)
[img=http://img5.imagevenue.com/loc928/th_53949_03_122_928lo.JPG] (http://img5.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53949_03_122_928lo.JPG)

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-26-2007, 02:01 PM

^^Many thanks! :)

countachal

08-26-2007, 05:31 PM

According to my information there are 4 SS's:

#17/25 is the official/original SS by HWA, was red and is now silver, ex-UAE and is now located in Florida (#17)

#03/25 has the 7,3 litre SS engine, was the 1st to be fitted with this engine, is silver and is located in Dubai, owned by Mohammed Bin Sulayem.

#01/25 homologation car, SS-spec (according to RM auctions it was fitted with the 7,3 AMG at the start of his life; it never had the 6,9????), is silver, loacted in Florida, owned by Don Wallace.

#??/25 RHD CLK GTR with the SS-spec engine, silver, ex-Brunei (Royal Family) and currently in Singapore
Interesting, i was aware of Bin Sulayems car but was unsure whether to believe the internet chit chat about it being a Supersport engined car. As for the ex-Brunei car being one i had never heard that, but it seems very possible. Would be nice to have clarification somehow. I still think its a shame that the real supersport was repainted from its original red, thats what made it stand out from the rest.:screwy:

basman007

08-27-2007, 01:58 AM

Interesting, i was aware of Bin Sulayems car but was unsure whether to believe the internet chit chat about it being a Supersport engined car. As for the ex-Brunei car being one i had never heard that, but it seems very possible. Would be nice to have clarification somehow. I still think its a shame that the real supersport was repainted from its original red, thats what made it stand out from the rest.:screwy:

I fully agree with you, the SS looked so sweet in red/tan.

As for the Brunei car: we won't get to see visual clarification, but there are a number of people who have seen it and have confirmed that it is SS-spec...

basman007

08-27-2007, 03:58 AM

I fully agree with you, the SS looked so sweet in red/tan.

As for the Brunei car: we won't get to see visual clarification, but there are a number of people who have seen it and have confirmed that it is SS-spec...

I forgot about this, but I do have a picture of the engine, allthough you can't really read anything more than AMG of it. I don't know if there is a way to spot the difference between the SS-spec engine and the normal engine:
http://www.supercars.net/Pics?viewPic=y&source=gal&uID=129612&gID=976&pgID=10&pID=492555&first=true

pimp349

08-27-2007, 08:22 PM

Were they built during the racing version dominant years (97-98) or after?

By the way, basman007, nice gallery you got there.

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-27-2007, 08:52 PM

Were they built during the racing version dominant years (97-98) or after?

By the way, basman007, nice gallery you got there.

Hmm...I'm fairly certain #01 was built only a few months before they started to race. At least according to that video on youtube that shows how the CLK-GTR all began. It does raise a good question since 25 (I think) had to be built to race. Could MB just say we'll build them later in the season even though they already raced with just a few road versions completed?

pimp349

08-27-2007, 09:10 PM

At least according to that video on youtube that shows how the CLK-GTR all began.

*cough* link please *cough*

It does raise a good question since 25 (I think) had to be built to race. Could MB just say we'll build them later in the season even though they already raced with just a few road versions completed?

Could be, I remember there was a lot of controversy with the whole homologation(?) process during the late 90's. First they bent the rules to let Porsche in (96' GT1, i believe) since they knew it would draw a bigger crowd, and then the CLK. McLaren and Ferrari complained, since those weren't really racers based on road cars, but were purely built for racing and then turned into road cars to meet the requirements.

Peloton25

08-27-2007, 10:25 PM

To bring this almost back on topic...

What do you know, there was a McLaren in Monterey:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/328/McLaren-M8F.html

Nice piece of history there along with a great write up from Wouter and company. :)

>8^)
ER

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-27-2007, 11:05 PM

*cough* link please *cough*

Part 1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1sa7iSGc1w
Part 2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=SPSGWOrbtpI

For the first video, the MP4/12 F1 car is the 1997 F1 car if you want an idea of when this stuff is happening.

Edit: Hmm...RM Auction has Don Wallace's CLK-GTR chassis number as WDB2973971Y000012, but the video shows WDB297397WA000001, which makes more sense for #01/25.

basman007

08-28-2007, 10:38 AM

Part 1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1sa7iSGc1w
Part 2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=SPSGWOrbtpI

For the first video, the MP4/12 F1 car is the 1997 F1 car if you want an idea of when this stuff is happening.

Edit: Hmm...RM Auction has Don Wallace's CLK-GTR chassis number as WDB2973971Y000012, but the video shows WDB297397WA000001, which makes more sense for #01/25.

Lovely video :D I've never seen it before..

The CLK GTR is definately my favourite supercar (together with the F50) :)

hurstg01

08-28-2007, 10:43 AM

The CLK GTR is definately my favourite supercar (together with the F50) :)
:banhim: ;)

basman007

08-28-2007, 10:43 AM

Could be, I remember there was a lot of controversy with the whole homologation(?) process during the late 90's. First they bent the rules to let Porsche in (96' GT1, i believe) since they knew it would draw a bigger crowd, and then the CLK. McLaren and Ferrari complained, since those weren't really racers based on road cars, but were purely built for racing and then turned into road cars to meet the requirements.
Yeah.
+
There was one road going CLK GTR needed to start competing and the other 24 were built later. At the time of the CLK LM they didn't even bother to make those other 24 cars anymore, only roadcar one was made..

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-28-2007, 02:49 PM

:banhim: ;)

LOL!

Mine of course is the F1, but the CLK-GTR isn't too far behind. It looks fantastic. Especially in person. :)

I like this angle:

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3630/141778946720d4274d4ozv2.th.jpg (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=141778946720d4274d4ozv2.jpg)

basman007

08-28-2007, 02:55 PM

:banhim: ;):evillol::lol:

hurstg01

08-28-2007, 02:57 PM

:evillol::lol:
I take it you consider the F1 a Hypercar, rather than a run of the mill supercar then? :getbackinourgoodbookssmilie: :)

basman007

08-28-2007, 03:13 PM

I take it you consider the F1 a Hypercar, rather than a run of the mill supercar then? :getbackinourgoodbookssmilie: :)

olol, nah, the F1 is bloody awesome :amibackinyourgoodbooksmile:

basman007

08-28-2007, 03:14 PM

LOL!

Mine of course is the F1, but the CLK-GTR isn't too far behind. It looks fantastic. Especially in person. :)

I like this angle:

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3630/141778946720d4274d4ozv2.th.jpg (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=141778946720d4274d4ozv2.jpg)

You were at Winterpark? Did you take more pictures of 04?

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

08-28-2007, 03:23 PM

You were at Winterpark? Did you take more pictures of 04?

Nah, I didn't go to that show unfortunately. :(

hurstg01

08-29-2007, 01:34 AM

olol, nah, the F1 is bloody awesome :amibackinyourgoodbooksmile:

:goodnewsbasman007isbackinourgoodbookssmilie: :lol:

basman007

08-30-2007, 02:16 PM

01 driving into Don Wallace's garage, parking next to his LM-spec F1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlSbyL2oM6c

And his garage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlRaU_eUxcM

hurstg01

08-30-2007, 02:38 PM

Never seen those before, Cheers Sebas! :cheers:

psych0hans

08-30-2007, 02:42 PM

01 driving into Don Wallace's garage, parking next to his LM-spec F1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlSbyL2oM6c

And his garage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlRaU_eUxcM
Ahhh... to be rich :popcorn::D :smokin:

F1FREAKZILLA

08-30-2007, 03:30 PM

thats one kick ass collection of cars

PatrickT82

08-30-2007, 08:31 PM

countachal

08-31-2007, 08:30 AM

Veyron, MC12, F1, 911 GT1, CLK-GTR.

WTF!!!!!

Dont forget his Enzo (number 400) and his FXX, i saw all of those cars (bar the Veyron) at St Petersburg February 06, better still though i got to do this in Monterey.:grinyes:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p81/alanwpics/th_IMG_1969.jpg (http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p81/alanwpics/IMG_1969.jpg)

A link to some of my St petersburg pics for those that have not seen them.

http://www.supercars.net/gallery/125880/482/1.html

pimp349

08-31-2007, 11:16 AM

01 driving into Don Wallace's garage, parking next to his LM-spec F1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlSbyL2oM6c

And his garage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlRaU_eUxcM

Nice! Thanks!

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