It's embarassing when...

You parade your $100,000+ Porsche 997 Turbo around the beaches like it's then end all performance car then when lined up against something that costs 1/10th of the price it gets spanked.

Bikes rule. :rofl:


Ok full story time... I was riding down the local Coast Highway here and was planning on stopping for lunch at this great little pizza place but there wasn't any parking so I decided to continue on after circling the block. As I'm at the light waiting to turn right back into traffic a dark Grey 2007 Porsche Carrera 997 Turbo flies past and guns it through traffic. Which sounded really badass by the way.

I thought to myself it'd be fun to run that, see how I stack up to one of those beasts. But I couldn't merge into traffic and had to wait for what seemed like an eternity. Finally I get out and get going, and I make a mental note to keep any eye out for the Porsche but knew that chances are he was far ahead.

Well, great thing about a bike in traffic is the ability to make up good time. I pull up behind a group of cars, not expecting much and come to a stop. When I look to the front of my lane and there sitting in the left lane stopped at the line was the Porsche. He was first car at the light... so I split the lanes and come up beside him. It's a younger dude driving it, looks like maybe Daddy's car.

I gave him a few looks, he looked back but with my smoked visor on my helmet he couldn't see me back. Light goes green and I get out quickly but not super fast. Just enough to get out ahead of the car to my right so I have the middle lane and he has the left lane.

I'm about 50 yards ahead of him and I'm thinking there's no way we'll catch a light. *bingg* Light ahead goes yellow. I'm like "ohh shit.. it's on!"

We both line up, and I'm giving him the look. Give him a small rev. He grips the wheel and shifter. Light goes green and I come off the line a bit soft, mostly because I've never launched the bike before, and he gets a small jump... roughly half a car. Hey, those cars have power!

Soon as I hit 2nd gear I pinned the loud maker and instantly I slingshot past him. Hit 3rd gear and continue to put on the distance. Let off at who knows how fast, I tend not to look down when going that fast... especially on a bike. I'll just say 90ish.

He must of let off, because he was wayyy back there by the time I sat up to see where he was in my mirrors.

Fast car, no doubt. Just not enough then.

Nice kill Stig. Definately get some practice in on the launches as it is much harder to launch a bike than a car. If it makes you feel any better I have been riding motox for a little over 10 years now and about 2 years ago I killed my bike at the start trying to do a hard launch. :frown:

I just did a slow roll on, didn't want to deal with having the front end lift on me. Bike will do it way to easy...

Very nice kill. All to often, slow bike>fast car. Of course...sometimes you get a really fast car, and then you get fast car>fast bike. But not so much in your case. Launching a bike gotta be hard as hell. But then again, with ninety percent of the cars on the road today, a soft roll on will still be enough to whup what your up against.

nice kill stig
i tried racing a bike once but he smoked my charger
wat kind of bike u got stig

wat kind of bike u got stig

:spit:...:disappoin...sorry, couldnt help it...anyways...was it a turbo or carrera? Pretty sure they don't make a t'd carrera, maybe you mean a cabriolet?. I want to say good kill, and it is (how many of us can take down a 997TT?), but lets be honest, you knew what the outcome is going to be....

Was a Twin Turbo 997. Sorry, it's still a 911 Carrera but with better everything.

I have a 2007 Triumph Daytona 675, 123hp pushing 417lbs with a full load of fuel. I'm only 128lbs in riding gear, so 545lbs total. That comes out to a weight to power ratio of 4.4:1

Where as the 997 Turbo is roughly at 7.2:1. Still, a very fast car and would undoubtedly kill me up top. In a roll on race, I'd be hard pressed to keep up, after 150mph it'd be all Porsche putting the hurt on me without any question.

Was a Twin Turbo 997. Sorry, it's still a 911 Carrera but with better everything. :slap:...um...I knew that...:uhoh:

...after 150mph it'd be all Porsche putting the hurt on me without any question. Why is that? I always thought street bikes can go 200+?

The Busa, R1, and ZX14 can...most of them start to get hurt at higher speeds. Your getting to the point where the weight difference doesn't matter anymore, and the gearing also comes into effect. For example, my understanding is that it takes about 600 crank in a Supra to beat a stock Busa. But thats just what I've read. There is a whole lot more to roll racing than just power.

Well my bike will do 160-165mph, I haven't done it personally but others with the same bike have.

Bikes generally have poor aerodynamics compared to cars, their only saving grace is lighter weight, gearing and the ability to spin high RPMs.

And I don't think any of the liter bikes (R1, GSXR1000, ZX10R) can break the 200mph mark, I think even with their insane power they still fall flat at 180mph. Even the Busa and ZX14's have problems going that speed.

200mph is a magic number when it comes to speed, the wind resistance is huge. A lot of bikes, and cars can get close to or even reach the 200 mark, but struggle to get past it.

yeah the liter bikes dont go 200mph....plus the speedo are slightly off on bikes....BTW nice bike....to bad you werent closer to me then we could ride together....

I just did a slow roll on, didn't want to deal with having the front end lift on me. Bike will do it way to easy...

Yep, a hard launch equals either wheelspin or an out of control back flip leaving you on the ground lol. Even at lower speeds at WOT the bike should lift up with out you leaning over the front I would think, it does on my bike.

for a good launch you have to launch high but slip the clutch like a mofo...I do it with my 10R and it works...its just hard to keep the wheel down the first three gears....

Yeah, I don't want to look all squidly on the bike. I mostly cruise, but every once in a while I'll give her the berries.

When the hell did you get a crotch rocket? Nice kill! So what are you driving now?

The Busa, R1, and ZX14 can...most of them start to get hurt at higher speeds. Your getting to the point where the weight difference doesn't matter anymore, and the gearing also comes into effect. For example, my understanding is that it takes about 600 crank in a Supra to beat a stock Busa. But thats just what I've read. There is a whole lot more to roll racing than just power.
all production street bikes are governed at 300 Km/hr which is like 180-something. it's sort of like a gentlemens agreement for bikes.

The Busa, R1, and ZX14 can...most of them start to get hurt at higher speeds. Your getting to the point where the weight difference doesn't matter anymore, and the gearing also comes into effect. For example, my understanding is that it takes about 600 crank in a Supra to beat a stock Busa. But thats just what I've read. There is a whole lot more to roll racing than just power.

In what kind of race? A stock Busa runs 9's. A 600bhp Supra does not.

In what kind of race? A stock Busa runs 9's. A 600bhp Supra does not.

A bike can only run nines when you have someone who can launch them. Your average, everyday rider will most likely pull something in the tens, like Mushi when he first took the Goat to the track and ran a 15 something. And I think roll, the magazine article I was reading didn't specify, just said that this guy's Supra was capable of it. I don't ride, so I don't know. I'd like to, but I need a new car first, then apartment, then I can start worrying about bikes.

Guy I used to work with back at the BMW dealership had an R1 with some work done to it (Exhaust, think he said headers, filter, tune) and said that he had pulled pretty good on an I/LTH/E/Tuned C5 Z06, but that a pretty well done FD put the whuping on him real good. Most likely one of the three rotor turbos we got floating around the area. Also said that a last gen Camaro Z28 raped him pretty bad once.

so I split the lanes and come up beside him
Yeah, I don't want to look all squidly on the bike

:shiftyeyes:

all production street bikes are governed at 300 Km/hr which is like 180-something. it's sort of like a gentlemens agreement for bikes.

Yeah, but I'm sure it wouldn't be to hard to get going that much faster sans governor. The E60 M5 can do 185/190 stock once you pull the governor.

good kill its nice to hear a realistic racing story for once seems like all i hear is BS these days

Where as the 997 Turbo is roughly at 7.2:1. Still, a very fast car and would undoubtedly kill me up top. In a roll on race, I'd be hard pressed to keep up, after 150mph it'd be all Porsche putting the hurt on me without any question.

in example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihWJOJdv0vw

I am still trying to decide on the Triumph or the R6 myself. I have decided I am gonna do 6 months of bootcamp on a ninja 250 first though. Hopefully 6 months won't turn into 6 days.

yeah the liter bikes dont go 200mph....plus the speedo are slightly off on bikes....BTW nice bike....to bad you werent closer to me then we could ride together.... technically, they can. The early busa models all go 200mph+ But these days the bike manufacturers have a "gentlemans agreement" to limit it somewhere below 200. Reasons being very obvious... You crash at 200mph in a car and there is a very minute chance you'll survive, Crash a bike at that speeds and they'll be scraping whats left of you off the streets :runaround: :screwy::smokin:

in example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihWJOJdv0vw
Best race I've ever seen

Nice kill btw. The lure of the crotch rocket is calling me but it doesn't make much sense to look for one as summer winds down and the chicago weather gets shitty

Be careful with that new toy Matty...

Even the Stig can't live forever.

Nice kill though.

So...you were surprised that your bike killed a 3,500 lb car from a slow roll to only under 100???

I love it when the price difference stuff is brought up, makes me chuckle a bit.
He probablly immediately shipped his car to Evolution MS in Tempe,AZ to make sure THAT never happens again. And unless you snail that bike....it wouldn't.

THAT said, VERY nice bike, sir. Keep hunting and be safe out there.

Be careful with that new toy Matty...

Even the Stig can't live forever.

Nice kill though.


Sure he can, look at ted williams, in another 50 years when we get the technology he'll be back in the majors...

Be careful with that new toy Matty...

Even the Stig can't live forever.

Nice kill though.

True, but with advances in modern science, and his outragous income, its not to hard to think he'll at least live to two, maybe three hundred.

A bike can only run nines when you have someone who can launch them. Your average, everyday rider will most likely pull something in the tens, like Mushi when he first took the Goat to the track and ran a 15 something. And I think roll, the magazine article I was reading didn't specify, just said that this guy's Supra was capable of it. I don't ride, so I don't know. I'd like to, but I need a new car first, then apartment, then I can start worrying about bikes.

Guy I used to work with back at the BMW dealership had an R1 with some work done to it (Exhaust, think he said headers, filter, tune) and said that he had pulled pretty good on an I/LTH/E/Tuned C5 Z06, but that a pretty well done FD put the whuping on him real good. Most likely one of the three rotor turbos we got floating around the area. Also said that a last gen Camaro Z28 raped him pretty bad once.

Yeah that very well could be. Car would definately want to take him from a high speed race or just hope he was a really bad drive because the R1 modded would easily be into 9's as well if the rider could drive the thing. I think I'll just stick with my personal favorite, the smart car with a busa motor :runaround:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQIizRp9ck

That smart looks like a helluva ride Time + money = fun

So...you were surprised that your bike killed a 3,500 lb car from a slow roll to only under 100???

I love it when the price difference stuff is brought up, makes me chuckle a bit.
He probablly immediately shipped his car to Evolution MS in Tempe,AZ to make sure THAT never happens again. And unless you snail that bike....it wouldn't.

THAT said, VERY nice bike, sir. Keep hunting and be safe out there.

Not surprised, I knew what the out come would be if it were a true quarter mile race. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. But one still has to consider that, the 997 Turbo is one hell of a car.

By far one of the most practical 'supercars' around. Not to mention just gorgeous.

I just merely wanted to play and see how it felt to really get on the throttle with the bike. Was in the middle of my break in period and I'd been babying it... plus the guy was kind of a prick the way he was jutting in and out of traffic. Albeit the damn Porsche sounded awesome doing it... :lol:

Now the bike is a bit faster... and louder. Got me a slip on Jardine exhaust, soon when I get the time, I'll get on down to the dealership and get a ECU retune to take full advantage of it. Good times.:grinyes:

I got challenged by a bike to a race back when I had the 6...i told him I don't wanna burn my gas AND get my ass handed to me, theres no point.

how much do mods do to a bike?

Good kill. It would take a well tuned car to even touch your bike.


I just went to the illegal races this week, and saw a 1032whp Porsche 911 Turbo. Apparently he's considered the top dog in Southern California. Problem with that is that he couldn't find anyone to race him. Go figure that he was a lawyer.

Honestly speaking, is there any point even trying to compare a bike with a car... There is a world of a difference in the physics, dynamics, yadda yadda yadda, on how they both operate... Its not practical to compare a car with a bike. :screwy:

Honestly speaking, is there any point even trying to compare a bike with a car... There is a world of a difference in the physics, dynamics, yadda yadda yadda, on how they both operate... Its not practical to compare a car with a bike. :screwy:

Considering the increasing number of cars being built that can put the hurt on a bike...yeah, its perfectly practical.

I just went to the illegal races this week, and saw a 1032whp Porsche 911 Turbo. Apparently he's considered the top dog in Southern California. Problem with that is that he couldn't find anyone to race him. Go figure that he was a lawyer.

:bs: we all know its Dominic Toretto in his RX7.....but damn, 1032WHP? 993/996/997 or other?

Honestly speaking, is there any point even trying to compare a bike with a car... There is a world of a difference in the physics, dynamics, yadda yadda yadda, on how they both operate... Its not practical to compare a car with a bike. :screwy:

Not to take anything away from the stig, cause beating up on turbo porsches is always fun :iceslolan But a bike beating a car is no big deal, that's how it should happen 99% of the time. But when a car can beat a bike, that's impressive.

Not to take anything away from the stig, cause beating up on turbo porsches is always fun :iceslolan But a bike beating a car is no big deal, that's how it should happen 99% of the time. But when a car can beat a bike, that's impressive.

Indeed! Bikes are just plain quick, but when a car can compete and come out on top... that's when things go from sweet to awesome.

i was just inches from getting a bike 2 years ago.

thing is, i know me, and i know what i'd do on a bike.
i decided it would be the death of me. i'm way way to much of a dare devil

Not to take anything away from the stig, cause beating up on turbo porsches is always fun :iceslolan But a bike beating a car is no big deal, that's how it should happen 99% of the time. But when a car can beat a bike, that's impressive.

thats where the ariel atom comes into the picture, I saw it on top gear and it totally took on a CBR 600, tho I doubt it would hold up as well against a liter bike... :smokin::2cents: