Problems with Extreme Motorsports !HELP!

Hey guys its been awhile but, I'm in need of some good advice here. About 3 months ago my car was dropped off at Extreme Motorsports in Odenton, MD. Many of you I'm sure have heard of the place. They have a pretty good reputation and some extremely fast DSMs have came out of there.


However, my car was dropped off there 3 months ago because, a rod was knocking and I was in need of a new bottom end. They said they could just build me a forged 2.3 stroker bored 20 over. How could I refuse? So a couple weeks went by and they told me the motor was done at the machine shop but they just didn't pick it up yet. So after about 7-8 weeks they finally told me my motor was back at their shop and they were going to begin working on it because all the needed parts where there. Weeks went by and they kept telling me that they are kinda slow and backed up and there was a car in front of me. Kept calling kept getting the same response or something similiar(people on vacation/sick/other cars getting pushed in quick). It has almost been 3 full months now and I am told the new block has rods, pistons, and crank. My old built head needs to be put on the new block and the new motor needs to be dropped into the car Shaun told me this 2 weeks ago when I showed up to see my car. Unfortunatly he wouldn't let me go in the back where they work for policy reasons. Since then Shaun(owner) has dodged a phone call or two. I still have no real date to as when my car will be done.

Am I over reacting by being pissed off or do I need to take some more steps here? There are not many well known dsms shops around me but, if needed I can show up with a trailer and a truck and just tow it somewhere else. Thoughts? Comments?

How much do you already pay them ? Some time moneys will make thing quicker :wink: .

They gave me an estimate of $6,400 total for the job. I gave them a 50% downpayment before they started.

God DAMN I would be pissed. Three months and not a god damn thing to show for it?! If I were you, I would go raise hell for sure. Thats one whole summer they fucked you out of and they have $3200 of yours besides. There is absolutely no reason your car wasnt done within a month. Yes,it would take a day or two to tear it down, machining will take some time, then a couple days to do the build, and a couple days to get it in. With shit happening and retards doing the wrenching, I could totally see it taking 3-4 weeks, but 3+ months is ludicrous.

Heres what I would do. Get worked up into a huge, pissed off mood and go over there. Demand to see your car and its progress, and tell him you want take any of the "policy" bullshit. I would tear his ass a little about how you are a paying customer and a big one at that and that how the FUCK dare he "slip cars in" for 3 months. Tell him you want your shit by a reasonable date X and leave. If he doesnt have it done by then tell him you want your shit and your money back or that you are not paying full price. Seriously dude, dont let yourself get walked all over.

6400?

Are you kidding me?

What kind of parts are they putting in there? Crap made out of adamantium?


What you need to do is go down there and tell them to show you your car. They can't not let you see your car because of "policies" It's your fucking property, they have no right to withold it from you. Also tell them what Thor said. If it isn't done in X amount of time, that you want your shit put back together and in once piece. And you want your money back.


This is a fucking outrage. The fact that they treat you like this, and then they seriously really ripped you on the price.

When I took my car to get built, I had then build the motor in the shop at first. With all the parts. maching and what not just for the motor was a little over 2k. I put the motor in and had a catastrophic head failure(not related to the build) I returned it to the shop because I didn't feel like rebuilding it. And for them to rebuild it (including tearing it out of the car and putting the motor back in) was only 3k.

Your getting a basic rebuild how in the world does that come to 6k?

Goto the Better Business Beuru. That's what I did with Howell Automotive. They get a hold of the company and the work gets done!

I will deffinatly look into the BBB. The motor build is no where near a normal rebuild though. Everything forged good to about 900hp at the crank. Here is the invoice I recieved 3 months ago with my downpayment of 3,200.

SHORTBLOCK
1 Misc Eagle 100mm 7-Bolt Crankshaft 750.00
MANLEY 14403-4 Manley Performance Forged I-Beam Rods Turbo Tuff
Design (Mitsubishi 7-Bolt) 725.00
ARIAS Mitsu .866"... Arias Piston Set for 2G/EVO .866 pin, 3.366" (+.020") w/
L2 pins--- STROKER 575.00
RMS 4G63 SHOR... Mitsubishi 4G63 Shortblock Machining Package, includes
bearings 1,600.00
1 RMS Oil Pump 7-B... Oil Pump, Mitsubishi 4G63 7-Bolt 249.99
1 Misc Gasket set, complete 250.00
1 Misc 4-Cylinder Break In Package 75.00
Shop Labor Remove engine, disassemble engine, dispose of shortblock.
Clean remaining parts, assemble shortblock, reinstall into
vehicle. 2,000.00
1 MITS 1840006 Mitsubishi Crankshaft Trigger Plate, DSM 1995-1999 12.29
1 Environmental Environmental/ Shop Fee 25.00
TAP EXHAUST MANIFOLD FOR EGT PROBE
Install supplied Head-- comp cams (272 eq), BC Springs, retainers

Keep in mind they are also installing the motor for me. The invoice is dated 6/21 about a week after I gave them the downpayment. I didn't recieve a call or email today so Monday they are recieving a phone call. I am also looking into a consulatation with a lawyer if this doesn't soon get worked out.

Before go with lawyer idea, do what most people here told u, have a talk with them and demand to get it done by date.......... if they still dint do shit then go with lawyer idea. Good luck its suck to see a good dsmer got crew over.:banghead:

That sucks man. If it was my car , I would gather up some of my hefty boys and walk up in there and take my car back but i'm a bad boy and that usually leads to legality issues lol. Hopefully you can get it worked out.

I will never understand how shops pull shit like that, especially with 50% down...? That really is outrageous. Goes to show that even if you do have the money, it's good labor that can be the limiting factor some times.

SHORTBLOCK
1 Misc Eagle 100mm 7-Bolt Crankshaft 750.00
MANLEY 14403-4 Manley Performance Forged I-Beam Rods Turbo Tuff
Design (Mitsubishi 7-Bolt) 725.00
ARIAS Mitsu .866"... Arias Piston Set for 2G/EVO .866 pin, 3.366" (+.020") w/
L2 pins--- STROKER 575.00
RMS 4G63 SHOR... Mitsubishi 4G63 Shortblock Machining Package, includes
bearings 1,600.00

Not to be a dick but are you fucking retarded? Manley rods and Arias pistons with a brand new Eagle crank all into a brand new Mitsu block? What are you building a nitro-injected funny-car running 4 T-70 turbos? You're wasting sooo much money by putting just those parts in, and I bet you don't even come close to the power thresh-hold that that shit can handle. While you're throwing money away, why don't you send some this way so I can finish my car too.

Well the not being a dick part didn't work out for you. This is actually the build I was going to go with adventually. Shaun says its good for 800-900hp at the crank. I plan on a big turbo upgrade and most likely a hefty shot of nitrous. The goal with the current turbo is 400awhp on pump and 450awhp on race. After I reach that the new goal with a bigger turbo will be 600awhp on pump. Unlike times before I will be able to get in my car everyday with a good bit of hp and not worry about the motor fucking me over. Don't worry the new build for the top end and drivetrain are already in the planning stages too. This is no longer a "little" hobby. So not to be a dick but, get your own money. :)

Well the not being a dick part didn't work out for you. This is actually the build I was going to go with adventually. Shaun says its good for 800-900hp at the crank. I plan on a big turbo upgrade and most likely a hefty shot of nitrous. The goal with the current turbo is 400awhp on pump and 450awhp on race. After I reach that the new goal with a bigger turbo will be 600awhp on pump. Unlike times before I will be able to get in my car everyday with a good bit of hp and not worry about the motor fucking me over. Don't worry the new build for the top end and drivetrain are already in the planning stages too. This is no longer a "little" hobby. So not to be a dick but, get your own money. :)


How big are you going on the turbo? You have some pretty loftly goals, are you just going to turn your eclipse into a track car?

Aside from your upgraded pistons/rods and crank(I only paid 250 for mine) your build is exactly the same as mine. The number just seems a little fishy to me, especially the maching cost. I'll have to pull my invoice and take a look though maybe I'm just being paranoid.

I am not sure what size turbo I will upgrade too yet. Right now I'm focused on just getting my car back. I would like to keep the eclipse a street legal car though. I don't think this should be much of a problem though.

That would deffinatly be cool if you could look up your invoice for me. I realize the price may be a bit high but, like I said they aren't just building the motor for me they are also putting it in the car then dyno/tuning it for me so I can put a 1,000 mile break in on it. Then after the break in they are going to tune the car for me to max flow of the turbo or untill knock becomes a problem. All this is included in the price.

I am not sure what size turbo I will upgrade too yet. Right now I'm focused on just getting my car back. I would like to keep the eclipse a street legal car though. I don't think this should be much of a problem though.

That would deffinatly be cool if you could look up your invoice for me. I realize the price may be a bit high but, like I said they aren't just building the motor for me they are also putting it in the car then dyno/tuning it for me so I can put a 1,000 mile break in on it. Then after the break in they are going to tune the car for me to max flow of the turbo or untill knock becomes a problem. All this is included in the price.

Yeah I just kinda worries me because like I said before I paid 2k for my build (althought I pulled the motor myself and put it in myself) And In that 2k invoice it has eagle piston, JE rods, a new stock 2.4 crank, and all the machine work.

I took my car to them a second time for a rebuild, and it cost me 3k including them removing and replacing the motor.

The machining costs were what really stood out when I looked at cost. Especailly since all they do for a stroke is Bore & Hone the block (change the plugs as well) and balance the crank/pulleys, than put the whole thing in a huge big parts washer. I don't think I'm missing anything, and that defiantely is not 1600 bucks in work.

But like I said, I'll take a look at my invoice and let you know how your's compared to mine. And I'll keep the dyno tuning in mind.

Yeah, I kinda agree with Garrett on this. A Wiseco/Eagle/stock crank combo should take 600 AWHP no problem and that is literally about or less than half the price tag. And after reading Wil's posts and rereading that, something does sound a good couple grand off. Brian had the piss machined out of his motor for like $950 IIRC.

Have you gone down there and torn ass yet?

I spoke with Shaun monday afternoon. Was straight up with him and asked when my car will be done. He told me that I will have a running car by the end of this week.

Under Machining Package in the invoice it says "includes bearings." This could also be why the machining price seems to be up a bit.

I know this setup will most likely be able to handle more power than I will put out of it. I would rather have the capability of making more power then worrying about how close I am to the max rated HP of the setup.

A complete bearing set should run you no more than about $100. I still think you're getting screwed here somewhere.....

Well he told me last week that it would be back by friday. Friday came and went. Now he says it will be completely done by tuesday or wed. I have tried to call him today to see if it will be done tommarow so I know if i will have to rush home from work to pick it up or not but, no one picks up when I call.

Damn dude, that blows. I would be soooo pissed if I were you. I hope it works out. Want Thor to call and ask when the fuck your shit will be done? I could pretend to be the Better Business Bureau and scare them a bit :naughty:.

Haha you would deffinatly have to record the audio. Better yet give them a mobster accent... that might scare them a bit more.

I'll be calling tommarow to see whats up, if the decide to pick up their damn phone. I'll keep you all posted.

Suprise, suprise today came and went and I still do not have my car. I called him today and he says "Well the guy doing most the work on your car has been out all week." EVEN THOUGH I called him yesterday and he told me that they are working on my car as I was talking to him and it will be done tommarow(WED). He told me my car will be done Friday no doubt.

So, after getting the news... I flipped shit. I told him I'm sick and tired of being dicked around and being lied to. My car has been there for over 3 months and I'm $3,200 in and still have nothing. For all I know my car is exactly like it was when I dropped it off. I told him all the times he has told me he is going to call me(lost count) I never recieved just ONE call from him. At the end of my hissy fit I said... "Either way running or not... my car WILL be leaving your shop on Friday." He replied, "Your car will be done on Friday."

So, now I wait...

HAHA. I love it. Go get em!

So today was friday, any news?

Oh the suspense.

Hopefully He got his car back and has been drivin it around this whole time...
Or He might have got out of control and ended up in jail..

I left work on Friday and started on the hour drive down there. When I was about 5 minutes away Shaun called me and told me the car was ready for pick up. Got there and everything went smooth. However, I didn't get any kind of reinbursment or anything for the amount of time and trouble I went through. Honestly, I was just glad to finally see my car again in 4 months. I was a little pissed off though because my car had oil/greese handprints smuges from front to back. My hood was half black. They didn't even make an attempt to scrub it off. But, hey I guess they aren't a car wash and they sure as hell haven't been very curtious.

I have been driving it for the past 3 days now and as of now I have 500 miles on it and its sitting in my garage ready for an oil change. On pick up Shaun told me to check the oil/coolant every 250miles and change the oil at 500 miles. His directions are completely different from what I've read. I have been checking the oil/coolant every 200 miles however. The first 200 miles it burnt about a quart of oil. At 400 it burnt only a half quart.

The rest of the problems are as follows. My check engine light has been on the past 2 days(EGR flow malfunction). My final invoice it says I have a Wiesco stroker piston set and on my first invoice it says I have Arias pistons. So just goes to show you they still don't have any of their shit together when they fuck up the final invoice for the second time. The first time when I gave them a downpayemnt of 3200 they marked it as only 3000.

As of now I will never recomend Extreme Motorsports to anyone. The motor is running fine so far but, we will see what happens over the next week.

Well at least you got your car back man.
CONGRATULATIONS

Glad to hear it man, sorry you had to go through so much shit. Just do exactly as they say and if something fucks up, then take their asses to court and a half.

The car is deffinatly running very nice and smooth. Sounds pretty wicked and is pretty fast for only 12 pounds of boost and not beating on it.

Hopefully sometime this week or next I can get it back down there so he can do the "final inspection" and throw it on the dyno and turn up the boost for me. I'll keep this thread updated so you all can see how it all works out.

Woo woo, congrats. Keep a leash on that thing man, like the avatar quote says, turbo makes me emo.

Woo woo, congrats. Keep a leash on that thing man, like the avatar quote says, turbo makes me emo.

Your sig makes me laugh. I love the fancy name you Airforce fellas have for Aviation Ordnance ;)

Your sig makes me laugh. I love the fancy name you Airforce fellas have for Aviation Ordnance ;)


Haha, we got like 5 different MOS' just for aircrafts alone. Armament, Avionics, Crew Chiefs, Ammo, Aerospace propulsion... some other insignificant ones, lol

Okay its making a funny noise now... Just yeseterday I was drving it and gave it some boost and let off in 3rd. I got the normal blow off then the turbo let out a loud whine. It only did it once yesterday and twice today. Seems like it happens kinda of randomly but, it is very loud.

I also noticed my oil pressure is a little bit higher than normal. My balance shafts were removed and I know that doing so it will raise your oil pressure a little. Is higher oil pressure normally good/bad thing?

Possibly the turbo going bad. Dont turbos usually get trashed when breaking in a new motor unless you have a filter on it?

I thought turbos get trashed on break ins too. I asked Shaun before I got my car back and he said it won't be a problem for the turbo and it will be fine.

Personally I've had a great time in the Air Force, since I got out last year. National Guard is the way to go. Vehicle Maintenance is great when you don't have to deal with the stupid ass cops. But, I guess when you give any 18 year old a gun and tell them they're in charge of somthing, their ego grows 10 times the size of any normal persons.

I've also heard that you don't want to use your "good" turbo during a break in. Hopefully you didn't have a nice turbo, if that is whats going bad. I still have the T-25 just in case I have to do the rebuild.

So would they be held responible if the turbo did go bad? I have a feeling they aren't going to want to do shit.

I'd be interested to hear more about the turbos going bad while breaking in a new motor. I can't really think of a reason why your turbo would go bad while breaking in your motor.

When I got my car back the shop didn't tell me anything about that. They said just drive it like normal, don't beat it but don't baby it either. Let it feel boost and what not.

Personally I've had a great time in the Air Force, since I got out last year. National Guard is the way to go. Vehicle Maintenance is great when you don't have to deal with the stupid ass cops. But, I guess when you give any 18 year old a gun and tell them they're in charge of somthing, their ego grows 10 times the size of any normal persons.


It's universally known that MP's are cock suckers. Standard issue with the badge and the gun.

It has to do with oil contamination. Tiny bits of metal get in the oil from the motor wearing together and that tears up the seals and bearings in the turbo.

Personally I have never broken in a motor so this is all stuff I have heard.

Personally I have never broken in a motor so this is all stuff I have heard.

I've heard the same stuff...and from people who know wtf they are talking about like Kevin.

Oh trust me I've heard the same exact thing. I even asked Shaun though at Extreme Motorsports before I took the car if the break in would fuck up my turbo or not and he said it would be fine and not to worry about it. Worse comes to worse I'll rebuild the turbo or hey... go bigger.

As of now the turbo is fine. The car is broken in but still smokes a little oil on startup (probably just the turbo). Tommarow around 5pm the car is going to Extreme Motosports for the final Tune/Dyno Pull. I'll be sure to post up the numbers and most likely a video or two.

Sweet cant wait to see what it does. Im expecting numbers tmrw so dont let it slip your mind.

Extreme has been having problems lately. I'm not sure if they are going downhill or what. I've been dealing with them for years and never had a problem. Spent about $2k with them this year and didn't have a problem until I ordered my ported manifold, O2 housing, exhaust manifold studs and DP. I placed the order July 25th and didn't get the O2 sensor housing or the manifold until about August 28th, and that's after calling and bitching about 6 times.

I'm still waiting for the studs, DP and gaskets. After calling 3 times last week, things were supposed to ship on Friday. The lady told me that she would email me a tracking number......Wanna take a guess if I got it?

I'm not sure I'll be dealing with them anymore either. 7 weeks and I still don't have my parts that I paid for.

Wow you guys seem having so many problems. I bought my engine complete from SBR and put it in myself and it took about 3 days for it to run. So far I have been keeping an eye on it and it looks perfect and sounds good. Only problem is during the break in period I gave it A LITTLE gas and the clutch went out with the flywheel, hahaha that can tell you how much I care.I really never had a break in period. I launch it at every light and it runs like a champ. Now after 3k miles I am getting about 10mpg. Even though I beat the shit out of the DSM has been holding very good to my expectrations but then again I did break everything that can be broken so most of the parts are replaced. I saw that Extreme Motorsports Stroker was making a sounds that was loud, I never heard anything from mine. By the way, my 2 good friends drive DSMs and they bought have build engines from local famous shops. Guess what, 1 engine lasted 300 miles, they forgot to put the middle crankshaft bearing, the other one a little over 2000 miles, the balance shaft bearing was forgotten to be put in which caused the balance shaft to twist the oil pump out of location ( hard to explain) which caused engine to seize with the head being in terrible condition, turbo also needed rebuild. Basicly engine ran without oil. BE very careful when mechanics touch your car. I am now sure that %80 of mechanics here ARE IDIOTS. They know nothing yet they talk like they have discovered the turbo and they wrote a bizillion books on how it works. Which brings me to my next point. We hang out a couple of eclipses when we go to the races and there is a build GST which just did a T28 turbo upgrade. Guess what, the oil feed line and oil return line were connected together. PLEASE explain to me what kind of moron mechanic would do that. The guy noticed it when he decided to change his oil the same day, but I think the damage is already done. His car has ran atleast 5 mins without the turbo getting oil yet it didnt seize YET. Its brand new, I bet if he opens its gonna be a mess. I know now that anything mechanicly on my car will not be done at a performance shop. Friends have been helping me and I am seriously scared to take my car to a performance shop since I really dont want them to blow the stroker .... yet. The more people I meet here the more bad things I hear about shops. One kid I met tonight bought a Carbon fiber hood from a local race shop which is well known by the import community. Well we came to the realization that its actually FIBERGLASS hood covered by CF look alike tape. I was amazed when we pulled the tape of the hood. He paid around $600. I am really really careful as who touches my car and I buy my parts only from Extremepsi.com and dsmtunners.com , even though they might be more expensive I trust them.

Same here, My car never touches a shop unless its for something I cant do, like change tires or alignment.

Same here also. My cars going to a shop tomorrow for the frame work. I can't do that myself, but I wish I could. I hate seeing it someplace where I don't know what they're doing.

The last place I went was when I dropped my tranny. I went to a shop that specializes in rebuilds of classic cars. It's a well-known shop where people come from across the country to get their stuff done. Full machine shop too. They have contracts with many local citys and towns and they work on their fire trucks and equipment like that. That's a reputible place. But I hated it being there. I don't trust people. I always do a complete look through on the car before I go driving off just to make sure everything is back where it belongs.

I try not to take my car to a shop or let other people touch it too. However, with this project I did not have all the tools/time to complete it confidently so I thought I would let someone do it.

As for the Extreme Motorsports problems... when I got there today for the tune/dyno there was a guy there complaining about his wrx that has been there for over 6 months and is on his 2nd motor from them. I heard a good bit about their argument and the kid deffinatly got screwed over. The guy also said that he knows there are at least 2 other complaints from the better business bureau. I think after I get this new motor squared away I won't be going back there.

NOW to the part you have been waiting for... Showed up today got them to change the oil(10w30 royal purple synthetic and a WIX filter) and check compresion( 170 across the board). Right before they put it on the dyno they checked my turbo out to see if it was good to go. They found that the wheel has touched the housing once or twice and left little rings inside. The shaft also moves in and out a little which is bad along with a little blue smoke from the turbo on startup and boost. He told me they are not going to risk blowing up the turbo by putting it on the dyno. So now I'm in the market for a new turbo or maybe I'll rebuild mine. I still have a free dyno/tune waiting for me there when its ready.

I told you that shit was going to blow. You might not want to wait to long or they may forget about your dyno time, like they forgot to put your car back together.

Haha yeah. I kept bringing up the break-in kililng turbos and he kept saying its probably just a coincident. I figured I wasn't going to get anywhere so I'm just going to take care of it myself. Could be a good thing though. Make your turbo offers everyone!

I would say rebuild it if the turbo will satisfy your needs for a good while. If your going to need something bigger than go ahead and upgrade.

I have to say that I am very impressed with the 16G. I do run only 100 octane and to tell you the truth its totally worth it. It cost a buck more then 91 BUT engine last a lot longer. It is my personal opinion that most engines blow because they are running low octane yet boosting a lot and they either burn up valves, melt pistons or throw rods. The 16G is not such a small turbo and boost response on a stroker is fabilous, I love it. I step on it and its like instant boost . Only other turbo I would get is the 20G. I have made my mind about garrett and bullseye and whatsnot. I must say that the strongest turbo on my car that has been throught nightmare highboost, no coolant lines and whatsnot has been the Mitsu turbo. I am looking at the 16G killer which FP sells. I was thinking of getting that but a 20G would suits my needs for a while.

Right before they put it on the dyno they checked my turbo out to see if it was good to go. They found that the wheel has touched the housing once or twice and left little rings inside. The shaft also moves in and out a little which is bad along with a little blue smoke from the turbo on startup and boost. He told me they are not going to risk blowing up the turbo by putting it on the dyno. So now I'm in the market for a new turbo or maybe I'll rebuild mine. I still have a free dyno/tune waiting for me there when its ready.
Motor break ins have a tendency to eat turbos. The break in is there to let the parts "wear together" if you know what I mean and is "an extension of the machining process." As this happens, some of the metal is worn off and consequently gets into the oil. Those metal flakes in turn get clogged in the bearings of the turbo cutting off some of its oil supply and bam! There goes your turbo. The way to combat this is to put an inline oil filter in the turbo feed line.

I would also like to say no one touches my car besides me. If someone wants to help me work on it, then they are handing me wrenches and/or being a 3rd hand when I need it, nothing more.