firebird by 2010!!!!

Hey guys, I was just reading a Pontiac magazine and it they were breaking down the models for pontiac. Long story short, they said that Pontiac still said no on the Firebird.......http://www.fullthrottlev6.com/forums/images/smilies/gr_banghead.gif Im still positive that it is coming out though......This is why is coming out: Since 2002,well, probably earlier than that, sales were bad for everybody right, so pontiac was the one to take the fall for everyone else(ford, chevy, dodge) what a coincidence that after the bird and trans am were cut, fords new stang came out, and then the camaro along with it, the charger, then dodge showed its new line up of muscle cars that include the challenger. So , do you guys see it.... pontiac "fell" first, but at the end its coming with a nuclear bang in 2010 when the camaro convertible came out. Its all about marketing, they probably everyone(pontiac, chevrolet, ford, dodge) got in a room, decide on how to bring sales up with out taking all together on the market, but letting themselves take a piece of the "pie".
And ill bet the bank, like the camaro came out in a movie, the firebird/trans am will make the greatest come back on the remake of
"SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT"http://www.fullthrottlev6.com/forums/images/smilies/worship.gif

If it does come back, I will definetly be buying one if its restyled after a 79-81... But I think it will be extremely hard to top the styling of the late model 4th gens... There can be no sexier or aggressive looking f-body... :)

now thats a guy with sum big ass hopes and dreams!!!! i still think they are going in a new direction, and they dont care to bring her back at all....but hey the camaro did it somehow so u have a chance..and if they did bring it back in that movie (which i heard nothing of) then i think a woody is in the making!!!

It has been time an dtime again in stone, the bird will not fly again. :dunno:

3 letters: G T O

But they already brought the GTO back......just to get rid of it again 3 years later. This kind of stuff is why I no longer like Pontiac. They need to get rid of the roadster thing, then bring back the firechicken.

They are introducing the G8 in 2009 which is suppose to be the GTO's replacement, also made by holden. Base powertrain is from the Caddy CTS, a 3.6 261hp v6 and 5 speed auto. The GT gets a L76 6.0 V8 based on the LS2 except with active fuel management with 362hp and a 6 speed auto with 6 speed manual optional later in the year. A GXP model could have the LS3. So with this car and the camaro being introduced at the same time, its not logical for Pontiac to bring back the Firebird. The would have 2 cars with that would be very similar and they wouldn't make money.

Come on guys, dont be pessimistic, makes have to have their icons, right and the bird is one of them for pontiac. Like the GTO back in 1992 or so when I was in High School, the GTO concept came out and a few years later, talks were rumored about the tempest making it to the atleast the clay model. Thats why I havent taken my finger off the dotted line.

GTO in 92? Don't believe there was such a thing.

And the GTO is taking a year off for remodeling, then it is coming back with the LS3 in '08. Its not being replaced...yet.

And there is no bird in the works yet. GM can't afford to bring back 2 models that are pretty much the same. If the camaro is a huge hit, GM may consider the firebird, or Pontiac twin, but HIGHLY unlikely.

I thought there was a GTO concept in '99

http://ultimategto.com/pasture/99ccep.jpg

Anyway, all That I've heard is that there is no firebird, but there should be a GTO sometine after the new camaro comes out.

well stieh, I was off by a few years, I do apoligize for that. But i think you know what im talking about....right? I mean, if its not coming out, no biggie I got mine, and im happy.

I thought there was a GTO concept in '99

http://ultimategto.com/pasture/99ccep.jpg

Anyway, all That I've heard is that there is no firebird, but there should be a GTO sometine after the new camaro comes out.
It wouldn't take a whole lot to convert that into a 5th gen Firebird... :icon16:

The G8 is gonna be very kickass... I was reading an article on it a few months back and it gave me a huge wood reading about it... But it still will never compare to a Firebird... I had seen one 5th gen Firebird concept online that somebody designed that was pretty sick... I'll have to look around and see if I can find it again... Even had the t-tops still. :grinyes:

Am I the only one who DOESN'T want to see them come back out with a Firebird/Trans Am? I would seriously hate to see a new poorly designed retro Firebird. Maybe in the future if they decide to come back out with it, without giving it the retro look, then I'd be fine with that. But for now, let it rest and give the GTO a try for a comeback. If the GTO continues to fail, then hey.. maybe GM will consider bringing back the bird. As for now.. I enjoy driving and owning my last produced generation. Makes me feel special :icon16:

I had seen one 5th gen Firebird concept

here it is this is actually another one, noy the one that ive seen but close, this one the front end is too simple, the one im talking about is way better but couldnt find it.http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/teamorcito/md_trans_am.jpg

this is the other one.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/teamorcito/FuturoMalcreado.jpg

here it is this is actually another one, noy the one that ive seen but close, this one the front end is too simple, the one im talking about is way better but couldnt find it.http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/teamorcito/md_trans_am.jpg
Ah ha!!! That would be it. But not the same picture... The one I saw had t-tops out of it... Still a damn sexy car... Mmmm..... Perhaps maybe some slight changes to the front end. Other than that and the t-tops, I'd say its all good. :grinyes:

Keep Dreamin'!

here it is this is actually another one, noy the one that ive seen but close, this one the front end is too simple, the one im talking about is way better but couldnt find it.http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p4/teamorcito/md_trans_am.jpg
honestly that just looks like a streched out sunfire :lol: . the blue one is sooooo much better, but its not gonna happen.

Here's what I was able to find...

http://www.millstonegraphics.com/transam/TA40thrubyred.jpg

http://edigras.iweb.bsu.edu/Public/LS1/conceptfirebird.jpg

http://edigras.iweb.bsu.edu/Public/LS1/conceptfirebird2.jpg

http://edigras.iweb.bsu.edu/Public/LS1/conceptfirebird3.jpg

http://edigras.iweb.bsu.edu/Public/LS1/conceptfirebird4.jpg

http://edigras.iweb.bsu.edu/Public/LS1/conceptfirebird5.jpg

I really like the 2nd one... :)


**EDIT**
Also found this one...

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3216/834/1600/SP32-20060509-074522.jpg?force=1


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Uh oh... This ones lookin kinda legit now... :uhoh:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u118/DjValy/muscle1.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u118/DjValy/muscle2.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u118/DjValy/muscle3.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u118/DjValy/muscle4.jpg

Here's what I was able to find...


damn Blackcrow, you really did your homework, you got a few I havent seen before... But see, that report says 2011, like I said its all marketing bro. Think about it, if they bring the GTO to replace the firebird, it will have a lot of ground to cover in order to catch up to ford(stang), chevy(camaro), and already dodge(charger), status. Theyre gone to test the waters with the GTO, and when they see its going to blow up in their face, theyre going to be saying,"DAMN, WE SHOULD'VE LISTEN TO THAT GUY IN THE FORUM".:naughty:

Keep Dreamin'!


Shut up stieh2000, chevrolet came out with the new camaro because they threw a fit outside of GM headquarter like little whinny gilrs saying "boohoo, people dont like us, boo hoo people hate us, boo hoo people say we suck balls......wah, wah, wah..." So GM, just to shut them up, said ..." OK.....DAMN IT, DO WHAT EVER THE F^*K YOU WANT AND LEAVE US ALONE..........$H1T!!!!!.......


And thats how it is. :loser:

damn Blackcrow, you really did your homework, you got a few I havent seen before... But see, that report says 2011, like I said its all marketing bro. Think about it, if they bring the GTO to replace the firebird, it will have a lot of ground to cover in order to catch up to ford(stang), chevy(camaro), and already dodge(charger), status. Theyre gone to test the waters with the GTO, and when they see its going to blow up in their face, theyre going to be saying,"DAMN, WE SHOULD'VE LISTEN TO THAT GUY IN THE FORUM".:naughty:
Homework loves me, and then I drink lots of beer... :icon16:

Now its time for a slightly drunken post... Kinda... Anywho... I forget what I was gonna say in here now... Oh yes... I'm confused by your 2010 thing. Where did you get that release date from again? Or how did you come up with it? with the marketing it wouldn't matter if its 2010 or 2011 cause they never actually release em by the dates they say. For the most part at least with these concept cars. I bet it won't be seen until 2012 in this case... Or, as it stated in the article, it's using the came suspension/frame as the Camaro, so I'm assuming it won't take a whole lot to fit that body on that frame and produce it?... I donno... I lost my train of thought halfway through that... Oh I hope I don't have a hangover for work tomorrow... :(

I wish I could find some interior designs for it...

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Oh I remember what I was gonna say... About the Firebird covering ground to catch up to the Mustang... I don't think that'll be the issue here cause look at the Camaro and Firebird history... They have always shared a very similar body/interior... With the 5th gen here it won't be the case though. This is the split... The 5th gen Camaros are going off of a 1st gen design while it appears the Firebird will be going off of a 2nd gen design to make up for lost years... So do you think that means we could see another Camaro rebody by 2010,11, or 12 even to match the Camaro 2nd gen bodystyle?... Thats just my half drunken theory...

Homework loves me, and then I drink lots of beer... :icon16:

Now its time for a slightly drunken post... Kinda... Anywho... I forget what I was gonna say in here now... Oh yes... I'm confused by your 2010 thing. Where did you get that release date from again? Or how did you come up with it? with the marketing it wouldn't matter if its 2010 or 2011 cause they never actually release em by the dates they say. For the most part at least with these concept cars. I bet it won't be seen until 2012 in this case... Or, as it stated in the article, it's using the came suspension/frame as the Camaro, so I'm assuming it won't take a whole lot to fit that body on that frame and produce it?... I donno... I lost my train of thought halfway through that... Oh I hope I don't have a hangover for work tomorrow... :(

I wish I could find some interior designs for it...

**EDIT**
Oh I remember what I was gonna say... About the Firebird covering ground to catch up to the Mustang... I don't think that'll be the issue here cause look at the Camaro and Firebird history... They have always shared a very similar body/interior... With the 5th gen here it won't be the case though. This is the split... The 5th gen Camaros are going off of a 1st gen design while it appears the Firebird will be going off of a 2nd gen design to make up for lost years... So do you think that means we could see another Camaro rebody by 2010,11, or 12 even to match the Camaro 2nd gen bodystyle?... Thats just my half drunken theory...


Um, ok

black, dude if you are drinking share them cold bruskies with your fellow forum-ners......? anywho.....about the marketing thing, is not hard to see it bro. because if sales is what they want to fix, the thing is to let a model acrue their sales and so on, imagine if they came out at the same time, then the bad sales will continue because people wouldnt know what to get.

Face it bud, the firebird isn't going to be coming out any time soon. GM doesn't have the resources to afford to take a chance on the new camaro AND firebird. They took one and ran with it.

And it doesn't matter how much or how well they market for the firebird, if there isn't a huge demand for it to make up for their other losses, its not worth it. And that is what GM has studied; demand for what the market has set.

how much or how well they market for the firebird.

OK, yeah, you got somewhat of a point there fellow enthusiast, but the market is there..... market-ING is is about money, money, money. Two different animals.

GTO in 92? Don't believe there was such a thing.




My bad poormillionare2, I got confused, its actually the Charger Concept that came out around that year, it even looks like something you would see on the next transformers movie, I cant remember what mag. though, Car and Driver or Motor trend, it might have been motor trend. If I can find they pic. ill post it, well my point is this, dodge took over ten years to bring an icon car back, GM might take more or it might take less, but this I know, firebird is not dead.

Maybe I'm still just too old school, but this one's kickin' my ass. Gotta love the shaker hood.... in all black.... no bird or stickers.... on slicks/skinnies = tittylicious :grinyes:

http://www.millstonegraphics.com/transam/TA40thrubyred.jpg

Am I the only one who DOESN'T want to see them come back out with a Firebird/Trans Am? I would seriously hate to see a new poorly designed retro Firebird.
*raises hand*

I am right there with ya.