Pedals for heel-toe downshifting?
Veetec
11-12-2002, 05:38 AM
What are good pedals for hell-toe downshifting?? And how can I modify them so that the brake and gas pedal are on the same height on a 5th gen Prelude?
Thanx in advance!
Thanx in advance!
hybridsol
11-12-2002, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by Veetec
What are good pedals for hell-toe downshifting?? And how can I modify them so that the brake and gas pedal are on the same height on a 5th gen Prelude?
Thanx in advance!
seriously man I woulden't try to make a front wheel drive into a drifting car, make it drag worthy just an opinion. Ok is the car an automatic? or manual?
What are good pedals for hell-toe downshifting?? And how can I modify them so that the brake and gas pedal are on the same height on a 5th gen Prelude?
Thanx in advance!
seriously man I woulden't try to make a front wheel drive into a drifting car, make it drag worthy just an opinion. Ok is the car an automatic? or manual?
higgimonster
11-12-2002, 08:51 AM
assuming you find pedals to do this with you are going to want to stiffen up you brake pedal so that you squeeze it instead of moving it to slow down. It is a much harder feel but makes heel-toe shifting a lot easier.
Veetec
11-12-2002, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by hybridsol
seriously man I woulden't try to make a front wheel drive into a drifting car, make it drag worthy just an opinion. Ok is the car an automatic? or manual? What do you mean with drag worthy? (Sorry, Iīm german...) Itīs a manual of course. (Germans donīt like to drive automatic!! ;) )
seriously man I woulden't try to make a front wheel drive into a drifting car, make it drag worthy just an opinion. Ok is the car an automatic? or manual? What do you mean with drag worthy? (Sorry, Iīm german...) Itīs a manual of course. (Germans donīt like to drive automatic!! ;) )
civickiller
11-12-2002, 02:28 PM
drag car, ahh straight line racing. 1/4 mile. 400m. drag racing. 1320. 2 cars line up and go down a straight road as fast as they can and the first one to cross the finish line wins, usually a 1/4 mile
higgimonster
11-12-2002, 09:22 PM
some people even live there life a 1/4 mile at a time.
And I am glad to hear germans don't like autos. There are way too many over here in the states. Who buys a corvette with an auto? seriously?!? many americans do. and they drive them at 55mph on the highway
And I am glad to hear germans don't like autos. There are way too many over here in the states. Who buys a corvette with an auto? seriously?!? many americans do. and they drive them at 55mph on the highway
hybridsol
11-12-2002, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Veetec
(Germans donīt like to drive automatic!! ;) )
who does? ok the pedals must also be properly spaced. In my buddies car it required adjusting and bending the gas pedal until I got the match I needed. In many cars, the pedals have some range of adjustment, making the process easier. One thing to remember, as you adjust the gas pedal, make sure that there is a mechanical stop for the pedal. If you rely on the stops in the injection system to stop the motion, you will probably bend or break something as you try to squeeze a couple more horsepower out of the pedal. Also, make sure the linkage is fully open when the pedal hits your mechanical stop.
(Germans donīt like to drive automatic!! ;) )
who does? ok the pedals must also be properly spaced. In my buddies car it required adjusting and bending the gas pedal until I got the match I needed. In many cars, the pedals have some range of adjustment, making the process easier. One thing to remember, as you adjust the gas pedal, make sure that there is a mechanical stop for the pedal. If you rely on the stops in the injection system to stop the motion, you will probably bend or break something as you try to squeeze a couple more horsepower out of the pedal. Also, make sure the linkage is fully open when the pedal hits your mechanical stop.
Veetec
11-13-2002, 05:23 AM
Originally posted by civickiller
drag car, ahh straight line racing. 1/4 mile. 400m. drag racing. 1320. 2 cars line up and go down a straight road as fast as they can and the first one to cross the finish line wins, usually a 1/4 mile Okay, I see! I know what drag racing is but I thought he was talking about something special...
Thanx anyways.... :)
drag car, ahh straight line racing. 1/4 mile. 400m. drag racing. 1320. 2 cars line up and go down a straight road as fast as they can and the first one to cross the finish line wins, usually a 1/4 mile Okay, I see! I know what drag racing is but I thought he was talking about something special...
Thanx anyways.... :)
Veetec
11-13-2002, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by hybridsol
who does? ok the pedals must also be properly spaced. In my buddies car it required adjusting and bending the gas pedal until I got the match I needed. In many cars, the pedals have some range of adjustment, making the process easier. One thing to remember, as you adjust the gas pedal, make sure that there is a mechanical stop for the pedal. If you rely on the stops in the injection system to stop the motion, you will probably bend or break something as you try to squeeze a couple more horsepower out of the pedal. Also, make sure the linkage is fully open when the pedal hits your mechanical stop. Do I have to adjust the gas pedal?? I wanted to use some kind of chims (what material?) to raise the gas pedal like described here: http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving_pedals.lasso
who does? ok the pedals must also be properly spaced. In my buddies car it required adjusting and bending the gas pedal until I got the match I needed. In many cars, the pedals have some range of adjustment, making the process easier. One thing to remember, as you adjust the gas pedal, make sure that there is a mechanical stop for the pedal. If you rely on the stops in the injection system to stop the motion, you will probably bend or break something as you try to squeeze a couple more horsepower out of the pedal. Also, make sure the linkage is fully open when the pedal hits your mechanical stop. Do I have to adjust the gas pedal?? I wanted to use some kind of chims (what material?) to raise the gas pedal like described here: http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving_pedals.lasso
hybridsol
11-13-2002, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Veetec
Do I have to adjust the gas pedal?? I wanted to use some kind of chims (what material?) to raise the gas pedal like described here: http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving_pedals.lasso
I know razo makes pedals - http://68.36.226.92/porschepage/exotic/mr2southmt/mymr2b.htm
in this link do you see the distance between the pedal's that is what i'm reffering to. height is a little rasied to the break but I believe the gas pedal must only be angeled.
Do I have to adjust the gas pedal?? I wanted to use some kind of chims (what material?) to raise the gas pedal like described here: http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving_pedals.lasso
I know razo makes pedals - http://68.36.226.92/porschepage/exotic/mr2southmt/mymr2b.htm
in this link do you see the distance between the pedal's that is what i'm reffering to. height is a little rasied to the break but I believe the gas pedal must only be angeled.
Frostbyte
11-14-2002, 01:47 AM
I thought the advantage of heel toe was to keep your turbo spooled around corners huh learn something new everyday
SilverY2KCivic
11-14-2002, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by Frostbyte
I thought the advantage of heel toe was to keep your turbo spooled around corners huh learn something new everyday
That is true I think, but in an N/A car, I believe that technique is used to keep the engine at constant revs around curves while shifting 9manual tranny of course). It's so that you don't loose any umpf in your powerband while shifting and accelerating, keeps the ride smooth as well. :)
I thought the advantage of heel toe was to keep your turbo spooled around corners huh learn something new everyday
That is true I think, but in an N/A car, I believe that technique is used to keep the engine at constant revs around curves while shifting 9manual tranny of course). It's so that you don't loose any umpf in your powerband while shifting and accelerating, keeps the ride smooth as well. :)
Veetec
11-15-2002, 07:20 AM
Thanx a lot for your help! I think Iīll get some OMP pedals because they seem to be quality stuff, they are not too expensive and I can get them easily compared to Razo, Mugen, etc. here in germany.
hybridsol
11-15-2002, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by Veetec
Thanx a lot for your help! I think Iīll get some OMP pedals because they seem to be quality stuff, they are not too expensive and I can get them easily compared to Razo, Mugen, etc. here in germany.
goodluck man, let me know how everything turns out. :)
Thanx a lot for your help! I think Iīll get some OMP pedals because they seem to be quality stuff, they are not too expensive and I can get them easily compared to Razo, Mugen, etc. here in germany.
goodluck man, let me know how everything turns out. :)
eklipz
11-26-2002, 11:51 AM
some people even live there life a 1/4 mile at a time.
Thats the gayest saying ever.
Thats the gayest saying ever.
fritz_269
12-11-2002, 08:37 PM
The techinque of heel-toe is used to downshift while simultaneously braking. If you drive a manual on a road course you'll suck if you don't do it well. In essence, your using the clutch, brake, and accelerator all at once but only with two feet. Usually, the right toe is used to brake and the right heel is used on the accelerator. It's pretty tricky and it takes a lot of practice to be good at.
Here's a good description:
http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving_heeltoe.lasso
Veetec - The ideal pedal kit is one that has a high-friction surface on the brake and clutch and a smooth surface on the accelerator. That way you can reposition your heel on the accelerator but your toe won't ever slip off the brake (very important!) If you don't like the height, you can shim it up with just about anything - just make damn sure that it's on there tight and won't come flying off and sticking under the brake pedal.
Mugen makes a good kit but it's very expensive (of course)
http://www.shopresponse.com/mugen_sports_pedal_kit.jpg
You can do much better by buying cheaper mfg's individual pieces from different looking sets. For instance this:
http://www.shopresponse.com/rt24.jpg
plus this:
http://www.shopresponse.com/rp42.jpg
would probably be great.
One more thing - make sure your seat position is good and pull that seatbelt in [b]tight[/i] as you won't have a foot to brace you in the corner. I highly reccomend that you start practising on straight (and empty) stretches of road. Going a constant speed in 3rd gear, pick a landmark at the side of the road ahead of you, then brake hard, heel-toe down, and floor it. The object of the game is to get as close as you can to the landmark before braking, and to have sucessfully downshifted and back on the gas the moment you pass the landmark. Once you get comfortable with this, try a curve or two (but make sure to give yourself runout room!)
(all pics above from http://www.shopresponse.com/pedals.html )
:cool:
Here's a good description:
http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving_heeltoe.lasso
Veetec - The ideal pedal kit is one that has a high-friction surface on the brake and clutch and a smooth surface on the accelerator. That way you can reposition your heel on the accelerator but your toe won't ever slip off the brake (very important!) If you don't like the height, you can shim it up with just about anything - just make damn sure that it's on there tight and won't come flying off and sticking under the brake pedal.
Mugen makes a good kit but it's very expensive (of course)
http://www.shopresponse.com/mugen_sports_pedal_kit.jpg
You can do much better by buying cheaper mfg's individual pieces from different looking sets. For instance this:
http://www.shopresponse.com/rt24.jpg
plus this:
http://www.shopresponse.com/rp42.jpg
would probably be great.
One more thing - make sure your seat position is good and pull that seatbelt in [b]tight[/i] as you won't have a foot to brace you in the corner. I highly reccomend that you start practising on straight (and empty) stretches of road. Going a constant speed in 3rd gear, pick a landmark at the side of the road ahead of you, then brake hard, heel-toe down, and floor it. The object of the game is to get as close as you can to the landmark before braking, and to have sucessfully downshifted and back on the gas the moment you pass the landmark. Once you get comfortable with this, try a curve or two (but make sure to give yourself runout room!)
(all pics above from http://www.shopresponse.com/pedals.html )
:cool:
SilverY2KCivic
12-12-2002, 03:55 AM
OMG, is that really you Fritz? :eek: Are you back in Pasadena, or still up north? PM me your email when you get a chance, we can catch up on things. Good to see you back on here though!
Sorry to stray off topic everyone. :p
Sorry to stray off topic everyone. :p
NuEra
12-12-2002, 02:31 PM
Why are people talking about drag racing when the topic is heel-toe? I dont think you really need to adjust them or get slippery cheap aftermarket pedals. Stick with the rubber unless you want to get those hot-ass mugen's. My meathod actually is different from "heel-toe". Its more like left and right side of foot. You can cange the way its done depending on your cars pedal set up, just as long as you can do the same thing, touch the acc. and brake at the same time. Just thought I'd share this idea. P.S., people who drive with proper rev-matching downshifts make the ride so much nicer for the passanger. My friends make me lose my lunch.
Frostbyte
12-12-2002, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by fritz_269
The techinque of heel-toe is used to downshift while simultaneously braking. If you drive a manual on a road course you'll suck if you don't do it well. In essence, your using the clutch, brake, and accelerator all at once but only with two feet. Usually, the right toe is used to brake and the right heel is used on the accelerator. It's pretty tricky and it takes a lot of practice to be good at.
Here's a good description:
http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving_heeltoe.lasso
Veetec - The ideal pedal kit is one that has a high-friction surface on the brake and clutch and a smooth surface on the accelerator. That way you can reposition your heel on the accelerator but your toe won't ever slip off the brake (very important!) If you don't like the height, you can shim it up with just about anything - just make damn sure that it's on there [b]tight and won't come flying off and sticking under the brake pedal.
Mugen makes a good kit but it's very expensive (of course)
http://www.shopresponse.com/mugen_sports_pedal_kit.jpg
You can do much better by buying cheaper mfg's individual pieces from different looking sets. For instance this:
http://www.shopresponse.com/rt24.jpg
plus this:
http://www.shopresponse.com/rp42.jpg
would probably be great.
One more thing - make sure your seat position is good and pull that seatbelt in tight[/i] as you won't have a foot to brace you in the corner. I highly reccomend that you start practising on straight (and empty) stretches of road. Going a constant speed in 3rd gear, pick a landmark at the side of the road ahead of you, then brake hard, heel-toe down, and floor it. The object of the game is to get as close as you can to the landmark before braking, and to have sucessfully downshifted and back on the gas the moment you pass the landmark. Once you get comfortable with this, try a curve or two (but make sure to give yourself runout room!)
(all pics above from http://www.shopresponse.com/pedals.html )
:cool:
Fritz next time you are up North call me at (209) 743-3638 and maybe we can meet up.
The techinque of heel-toe is used to downshift while simultaneously braking. If you drive a manual on a road course you'll suck if you don't do it well. In essence, your using the clutch, brake, and accelerator all at once but only with two feet. Usually, the right toe is used to brake and the right heel is used on the accelerator. It's pretty tricky and it takes a lot of practice to be good at.
Here's a good description:
http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving_heeltoe.lasso
Veetec - The ideal pedal kit is one that has a high-friction surface on the brake and clutch and a smooth surface on the accelerator. That way you can reposition your heel on the accelerator but your toe won't ever slip off the brake (very important!) If you don't like the height, you can shim it up with just about anything - just make damn sure that it's on there [b]tight and won't come flying off and sticking under the brake pedal.
Mugen makes a good kit but it's very expensive (of course)
http://www.shopresponse.com/mugen_sports_pedal_kit.jpg
You can do much better by buying cheaper mfg's individual pieces from different looking sets. For instance this:
http://www.shopresponse.com/rt24.jpg
plus this:
http://www.shopresponse.com/rp42.jpg
would probably be great.
One more thing - make sure your seat position is good and pull that seatbelt in tight[/i] as you won't have a foot to brace you in the corner. I highly reccomend that you start practising on straight (and empty) stretches of road. Going a constant speed in 3rd gear, pick a landmark at the side of the road ahead of you, then brake hard, heel-toe down, and floor it. The object of the game is to get as close as you can to the landmark before braking, and to have sucessfully downshifted and back on the gas the moment you pass the landmark. Once you get comfortable with this, try a curve or two (but make sure to give yourself runout room!)
(all pics above from http://www.shopresponse.com/pedals.html )
:cool:
Fritz next time you are up North call me at (209) 743-3638 and maybe we can meet up.
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