is type-R beatable?

while cruising home in my friend`s 2000` I30t last night, there we saw a type-R. that guy decided to race us....from hearing his car i know he moded his exaust and intake....well i think he was either on 1st or second....because it was really lound beside us before he smoked us....we were at around 50km/h.....my friend`s I30t didn`t even have a chance to downshift on his automagic when the type-R easily pulled away fast....!!!, why is typr-R that fast?...is it beatable?....it`s really fast....the tires were churpping too...just for like half a sec though....:rolleyes: :confused:

Originally posted by bobo_80
...why is typr-R that fast?
:huh:

Why do birds suddenly appear...?

Well an ITR isnt all that and a bag of chips . I wanted one about 6 months ago yes they are bad ass yes they can handle curves very very well and they do have power . But your making it seem like they're unbeatable I'm not downing the ITR but it's not a VIPER or anything and the I30 really isnt that fast it's pretty slow if you ask me . The #s for the ITR are 0-60 is 6.2 and the 1/4 is 14.7 stock that is pretty good but not AWESOME . The I30 runs mid to high 15s in the 1/4 mile thats why it seemed like yall where kinda sitting there at a stand still while the ITR just walked all over yall . I'd say at best with the I/E on the ITR it would have ran a 14.3 or 14.4 if he was a pretty good driver .

a better question would be if the driver is beatable.

I heard a couple of stories where a Type-R beat an S2000, i think that it's just the driver.

S2000 shouldn't have any problem beating a Type-R.

I woop type r's all the time in my car. Of course my car is a 302 that i built with my hands.:flipa:

it's not even in the same class as an I30.... the I30 is a crusing luxury car, while the ITR is a sports compact car

like GOD said the Type-R is really good, but not amazing

As far as technology goes Type-R is one of the best even for its old age... for several years no one has been able to match the GS-R as far as overall performance and power (within its class), more so with the Type-R (we're talking about 4 cylinder non-turbo engines here people).

Cars are only starting to keep up with the turn of the millenium... specially with toyota's new celica beating the gs-rs power (still the type-r kills it), and now Honda/Acura already has a new integra's or RSX to match the other cars a few notch. Honda has always been top of the technology but it seems like they only release their new cars when they're threatened by another manufacturer... they have to be more pro-active and start setting the standards.... it took them a good while to update their integra.

Ciao

I dont give them a second look, not worth wasting gas on. They're pretty slow from a sports car outlook. Low 15s/high 14s isn't exactly fast.

Originally posted by RiceEater T/A
I dont give them a second look, not worth wasting gas on. They're pretty slow from a sports car outlook. Low 15s/high 14s isn't exactly fast.

are you talkin about Integra Type Rs?

0-60mph in 6.2s for a little 4-cyl. engine.... that's not slow

Yea it is compared to real sports cars. its fast for a front wheeler, if you like picking on grocery getters and such.

Originally posted by RiceEater T/A
Yea it is compared to real sports cars. its fast for a front wheeler, if you like picking on grocery getters and such.

Ok class, it is time for a vocabulary quiz. What is the definition of Sports Car?



The answer when we return...

okay kbslacker... you can tell him :D

rice eater do you consider your car a sports car?

rear wheel or all wheel drive 2 door car.

Class is dismissed

Originally posted by RiceEater T/A
rear wheel or all wheel drive 2 door car.

Class is dismissed


Good thing this does not go against your final grade. :)


sports car
n.
An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.

and another..

sports car n : a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons

Whatever dictionary guy. True, a pure sports car is a two seater, 2+2s are grand touring cars. Its not like that definition is going to make the ITR any faster ;) When Im talking about "fast" cars I mean Supra's, 300zx's, Fbodies, vettes well you get the picture. I wasn't making fun of the ITR or anything, just my opinion.

Originally posted by RiceEater T/A
Whatever dictionary guy. True, a pure sports car is a two seater, 2+2s are grand touring cars. Its not like that definition is going to make the ITR any faster ;) When Im talking about "fast" cars I mean Supra's, 300zx's, Fbodies, vettes well you get the picture. I wasn't making fun of the ITR or anything, just my opinion.

those cars aren't really in the same class as the ITR.... not in the same price range either

Originally posted by RiceEater T/A
Whatever dictionary guy. True, a pure sports car is a two seater, 2+2s are grand touring cars. Its not like that definition is going to make the ITR any faster ;) When Im talking about "fast" cars I mean Supra's, 300zx's, Fbodies, vettes well you get the picture. I wasn't making fun of the ITR or anything, just my opinion.



Yes, those are all nice cars. But when I think of a 'Sports Car' I dont think of those. I think of Ferraris, Lambo's, etc.

Here is a question. Have you ever seen, or had the chance to experiance, a lowly 4 banger stomp on a muscle car, or sports car that you mentioned? I have numerous times. I am not talking about in the mags, or on TV. I am talking about on the street, in the flesh.

To me, you cannot really define something as a Sports Car. I think there neds to be one defanition, and thats it. I do not drive a sports car, I do not drive a sports sedan either. If I wanted a car that puts out 300 horse, I would have bought one. What I want is a car, that is considered an underdog. That serves its purpose for what it was made for. I know of daily driven SE-R's, Civic's etc. that pull 12's and even 11's, that get great gas milage, that will pass emissions each year, and still can pick up the kids.

ITR's are very fast for a stock front drive 4 banger, but that's all they are. They have very nimble chassis and are great for a track, but they're just a hotrodded economy car.

I consider true sports cars small cars that are meant to be an extension of the human body, precise steering, etc...basically no amentities like rear seats, trunk room, cupholders, etc.

As Rice eater said, larger cars with amenities, 2+2's mostly, are grand tourers, meant to cover long distances fast and in comfort.

But just because something isn't a sports car doesn't mean it's not fast. A ITR or XKR will destroy a Miata in a straight line. They're just a different type of car. Anything can be fast.

Originally posted by Heep

I consider true sports cars small cars

so you consider a Diablo or F50 small?! :confused:

Originally posted by kbslacker

Here is a question. Have you ever seen, or had the chance to experiance, a lowly 4 banger stomp on a muscle car, or sports car that you mentioned? I have numerous times. I am not talking about in the mags, or on TV. I am talking about on the street, in the flesh.

To me, you cannot really define something as a Sports Car. I think there neds to be one defanition, and thats it. I do not drive a sports car, I do not drive a sports sedan either. If I wanted a car that puts out 300 horse, I would have bought one. What I want is a car, that is considered an underdog. That serves its purpose for what it was made for. I know of daily driven SE-R's, Civic's etc. that pull 12's and even 11's, that get great gas milage, that will pass emissions each year, and still can pick up the kids.

Actually no i haven't seen a 12 sec or less 4 bangar, but i know they exist. Just like theres a 12 second chrysler minivan and a Jeep Grand Cherokee. I'd rather drive a 350+hp car that is also reliable, I'm not rich, i cant have a daily driver and a weekend racer. So i need both in one package. Heavily modded cars are not too reliable, so i like to drive cars that were meant to go fast and not break from the factory

i think it would cost less makin a ITR 350hp than buying a stock 350hp car

Thats why you gotta mod out your car properlly so they last long and run reliably.

Also, the cheapest car to make fast i believe is a Supra since you can get a basic performance upgrade from suprastore.com and your supra will eat a ferrari easily. Anyway, the important thing is to do your mods properlly and not to abuse the car, maintain it well and you should be fine.

Originally posted by gang$tarr
i think it would cost less makin a ITR 350hp than buying a stock 350hp car
umm a $24,000 Camaro dynos at around 350 at the flywheel, stock. Modding a car properly or not, internal engine mods put more strain on the block, shortening its lifespan. It also translates to stress on other factory parts which were not meant to handle an extra 150 hp, such as the transmission.

Originally posted by gang$tarr
i think it would cost less makin a ITR 350hp than buying a stock 350hp car

Well, that is wrong, all the way.

Originally posted by gang$tarr


so you consider a Diablo or F50 small?! :confused:

Those are supercars, not sports cars.

Originally posted by kbslacker


Well, that is wrong, all the way.

well that's why i said i think that it would be less

Originally posted by RiceEater T/A

umm a $24,000 Camaro dynos at around 350 at the flywheel, stock. Modding a car properly or not, internal engine mods put more strain on the block, shortening its lifespan. It also translates to stress on other factory parts which were not meant to handle an extra 150 hp, such as the transmission.

i didn't know camaros had that much power?! i don't know much about american cars (don't like'em)

yeah they have that much power. Your basically paying for the engine. That is why they are about the same. The type r is about the same price but I'd say you get alot more quality out of it, Japanese made being the reason behind that.

i know this is off topic... but are there any websites where you can buy engines?

Originally posted by gang$tarr
i know this is off topic... but are there any websites where you can buy engines?

Plenty, it depends on what kind you need.

can you list a few?
what are my options?
I was just wondering if say i bought some car too just mod up, like a civic or somethin and i wanted to do an engine swap.... then i wouldn't really know where to get the engine. Really all i wanna do is browse through prices

the only thing is that those camaros lack the stylish look of an integra....and yes, they are much more reliable as well....

as for seeing if ricerockets can kill domestics? i've seen a lil civic tame a viper so that's what's possible, with the economy class car costing only a fraction of the huge gas guzzling machine....

domestics may be powerful, but they eat up too much gas, and the times you have to go refill in a night of racing is a pain in the ass....plus, they lack the suspension capabilities.

you wanna compare? compare flagship to flagship, compare cars of the same class, when a tiny car can whoop your fat v8 monster, well that's just plain an ass kickin'....be the underdog, and take out the big guns....i mean, if the bigger car wins, then it's just another race, but it's when the underdog wins that everyone oooo's and ahhhh's about....

28mpg on the highway isnt gas guzzling, and yes i agree the camaro's looks are lacking in style. Also the suspension statement is false. Fbodies and vettes are quite agile for their size, and regularly take top positions in road racing. I know this is magazine racing but in SCC the base Mustang GT, beat the ITR on the track. And in Car and Driver the Camaro SS beat the S2000 by about 2 seconds on a road course. I test drove a S2000 before buying the WS6, it was a blast to drive, but i didn't like having to really ring out the engine to get some decent power. Under 6Krpms it made little power, I also prefered the styling of the WS6, the S2000 was too tame.

Well, lets see. I have a total of $13K invested in my car including the purchase price and I have yet to see any Honda product even come close. The best I've seen is a Turbo Teg GSR run a 13.8 @ the strip. Boys, that ain't braggin rights by any means. Here's how I look at it. I don't care what it is, what it cost, what class its in or what you have at home in your closet waiting to go on. Most of all what Road&Track or any other mag says it will do. Bottom line is if its slow, its slow. end of story. I ran a 13.3 @ 107mph and I was embarassed. I get good gas milage (My gas is free anyway,I'm the one that drives the truck), and its just as reliable as it was stock. BTW, from what I have seen, I could buy and build two of my cars and still have less in them than a ITR stock.

Originally posted by Danny Boy
I ran a 13.3 @ 107mph and I was embarassed.

okay, so you'd be embarrased if you drove a Porsche 911 on the track? cause that's the same 1/4 mile time as a 911

Originally posted by Danny Boy
Well, lets see. I have a total of $13K invested in my car including the purchase price and I have yet to see any Honda product even come close. The best I've seen is a Turbo Teg GSR run a 13.8 @ the strip. Boys, that ain't braggin rights by any means. Here's how I look at it. I don't care what it is, what it cost, what class its in or what you have at home in your closet waiting to go on. Most of all what Road&Track or any other mag says it will do. Bottom line is if its slow, its slow. end of story. I ran a 13.3 @ 107mph and I was embarassed. I get good gas milage (My gas is free anyway,I'm the one that drives the truck), and its just as reliable as it was stock. BTW, from what I have seen, I could buy and build two of my cars and still have less in them than a ITR stock.

Well, all in all, I will have spent less than $4k on my HB. As soon as I am done with the bodywork, I should be low in the 13's to mid 12's. Its reliable, gets 35mpg, and still hauls plenty of groceries. With a little more, I may see better times.

as reliable as stock? does that mean that it'll die @ 100k mi? i'm not sure about the longetivity of domestics, but i don't think they'll last as long as imports....for instance, w/ very spirited driving more often then not, an integ will still be running strong @ 250k mi....actually, my friends is near 300k, it's a 94 gs-r, still running great, and he still races.....sure it depends on how well you maintain your car, but engine parts used in japanese motors are just made to last....that's why it costs so much to fix....cuz it happens so rarely......

bottom line, the type r will outlive your 2 cars, and still be able to whoop it......

sa for not being able to see any honda come close, you've got to be kidding....all you gotta do is grab a civic/crx chassis, throw in a jdm b16 engine, turbo the hell out of it, and you'll be rockin' 12's or even lower, all for about $10k, maybe a lil over

have fun w/ your wannabe mitsu 3000gt

as far as imports vs. domestics, i don't really look @ magazine for accurate stats, i mean, even they post that they can do better in better conditions etc, but what i can state is what i've seen from my own experience on street, not including track.....

1) i've seen multiple integs, including mine, beat mustang gts, auto or stick, but i've also seen the reverse, so it's a tossup

2) i've seen s2000s beat camaro ss's/ws6 though there is this one ws6 around my area all modded out that whoops s2000 this one nite....s2000 was a leased and therefore stock vehicle thou....

bottom line: i solely believe it's almost all driver, and if you can't drive your car, then you'll lose....i mean, you gotta know your car.....i mean, i 've raced my friends gs-r (pretty much same mods as mine) and lose to civics/integs/whatever, but when i drive my own, i win, same thing with him, he'll lose in mine, and win in his....

as for having to ring out the s2000 for decent power.....that's how the car was built, nice cruising driveability, but useable power when you need it.....it's a high revving machine w/ high compression, not just a huge displacement chevy block to make power....they're instead making power of a little 2.0L whereas chevy has to burn much more fuel to get power (5.7L), think about it, who has better engineering?, if honda used the same displacement and 5.7L, just imagine @ how much power it would produce!

so there you have it folks....my 2 cents

Originally posted by Danny Boy
Well, lets see. I have a total of $13K invested in my car including the purchase price and I have yet to see any Honda product even come close. The best I've seen is a Turbo Teg GSR run a 13.8 @ the strip. Boys, that ain't braggin rights by any means. Here's how I look at it. I don't care what it is, what it cost, what class its in or what you have at home in your closet waiting to go on. Most of all what Road&Track or any other mag says it will do. Bottom line is if its slow, its slow. end of story. I ran a 13.3 @ 107mph and I was embarassed. I get good gas milage (My gas is free anyway,I'm the one that drives the truck), and its just as reliable as it was stock. BTW, from what I have seen, I could buy and build two of my cars and still have less in them than a ITR stock.


http://www.users.qwest.net/~bkc3/+junk/magracer.jpg

Wow.. i didnt know people were still using domestic/import stereotypes. Understand one thing. Engines are made of metal, if you take care of them they last a long time. There is nothing magical about metal put together in Japan. My brothers 92 accord died at 110K miles, but my dads truck(89 Ford F-150) is going strong at 280K miles. It all depends on how you take care of what you have. Also my friend's Prelude had to have its transmission replaced at 10 miles. Not 10K, just 10 miles.

Originally posted by RiceEater T/A
Wow.. i didnt know people were still using domestic/import stereotypes. Understand one thing. Engines are made of metal, if you take care of them they last a long time. There is nothing magical about metal put together in Japan. My brothers 92 accord died at 110K miles, but my dads truck(89 Ford F-150) is going strong at 280K miles. It all depends on how you take care of what you have. Also my friend's Prelude had to have its transmission replaced at 10 miles. Not 10K, just 10 miles.



I really dont think it is that, but rather penis envy.


I dont care what you drive. If you drive a damn metro, and can beat me with it, all the power to you. Its not what you drive, but how you build, and drive it.

My car IS Japanese. Everyone sees Dodge and thinks American. WRONG!!!! Right now my car has 110K on it and it pulls low-mid 13's. It would be a high 12 car if I could drive it better (thats a 13.3 with a 2.2sec 60ft).
I've met guys with 250K + on their 3/S and still runnin strong.

Yeah the engine is made of metal. But it is the people putting it together is what scares me. I am a true american, but I wouldn't want my americans putting my car together. I am exagerating a little bit but.
It also involves the cheap american parts that work with the engine and the time spent lookin shit over and stuff. That is why your Sony big screen TV will last longer than your RCA or Phillips. ya heard me.

Hey, now.... Don't go messin with My Phillips TV;)

I agree 100% with Japanese stuff being higher quality than good old fasioned American products. I would rather have a T/A than an ITR though. I also agree that longevity is a direct result of proper care and maintenence. I will be buying a 91 'teg in a few days w/62K on it that has been well taken care of and plan on having it for a daily driver for a long, long time. I'm a big fan of Honda, just not econo performance.

yeah philips makes some good shit!! :D

like that TV you can hang on your wall, that things cool

but Jap stuff is way better quality

type R are fast, but yes they are beatable.. do some research, stock type R are 15 sec... not too fast.

Type R.. every Honda Rice boys wet dream..

They are a good car, but most of you wouldn't be able to utilize it where it is good. At handling.. it is not a quick car.

here's my 2 cents:

Type R is an awesome car right out of the box, it's the sport compact flagship, and i doubt any other sport compact can beat it if it just remains stock, that is what is good about the type r, pre-tuned, w/ racing in the mind of the engineers when they developed it.

as for the type R not being a great handling car, i don't agree w/ that. the type r suspension is one of the best out there in it's class. at the last laguna seca meet, i got the chance to speak w/ gt winner Peter Cunningham (#42 Realtime Racing Acura NSX Driver) and he stated himself that the type r, thou not the fastest out there, has the best handling, and braking. that is why it wins so much. Realtime Racing by the way is an all Acura team. what was funny also was that upon seeing the realtime racing type r's parked, i got all excited and ran over to take a look, and there were 2 other professional drivers (one from BMW, one from Audi) who were laughing at me sorta for being all excited over an integra, but they settled down, and honestly stated that Acura is pretty good, suspension and handling. so there you have it, the words of professional drivers, but of course each is entitled to their own opinion. just think about this, in gt racing, the type r is extremely limited in what it can modify, and is pretty much stock for the most part, on the other hand, the BMW 325's get to have most of the M3 replacements put in them, so why do the type r's still win?

personally, i like the gs-r better b/c of it's tuneability, so many things you can do to tweak it, whereas a type r would pretty much remain stock b/c it is so good already.

Originally posted by kidkaotik
here's my 2 cents:

Type R is an awesome car right out of the box...

Rock on brother!

It took car manufacturers over 8 years to just come up with something to match the type-R Acura/Honda created their Integra's and left it untouched for 8 long years because they haven't seen any real competition... it's only now in the turn of the century where other manufacturers are integrating vtec type technology into their sport compacts to meet the same hp and torque of the integra's... but then the RSX just came out so they're back to chasin' honda again.

Type-r or any honda for that point wasn't built for the drag... they are track cars... meant for high speed racing... that's why more work was put into suspension, handling, breaking... and not just the engine.

Agreed, they handle pretty well.

Who has seen the new ones cruising around?

I saw one the other day, looked pretty good!

Originally posted by GTS-4 Ben
Agreed, they handle pretty well.

Who has seen the new ones cruising around?

I saw one the other day, looked pretty good!

you mean the RSX Type-S???
the Type-R isn't out yet

I live in New Zealand. It was a new Type R I saw. Unless the RSX looks the same??

It had type R badges though.

Originally posted by GTS-4 Ben
I live in New Zealand. It was a new Type R I saw. Unless the RSX looks the same??

It had type R badges though.

was it the same design as a 1999 model? or is it a totally different body style

No the brand new looking one.

Like this

http://www.motorsm.com/Collection/photos/904s.jpg

Originally posted by GTS-4 Ben
No the brand new looking one.

Like this

http://www.motorsm.com/Collection/photos/904s.jpg


hmmmm that's odd, i'm pretty sure the Type-R doesn't come out for another couple years. Are you sure it didn't say Type-S not Type-R?
maybe the guy was a ricer, and put fake emblems on it

Maybe they will be released later in the US, but I am sure they are in Japan and here. I wasn't seeing things..

yeah, I'm pretty sure they were released in Japan already...

damn...
i thought they were going to wait, just like with the last Type-R they didn't make it till like 4 years after they were making the integra

Well it's in New Zealand.. haha you guys miss out again..

First off, thinking that youwould be able to beat a Type-R in an I 30 is freakin funny, second of all, they are not that good, I got a 97' Toyota Supra Twin Turbo that kills ITR's,Camaro's, Vetts, and yes I have even killed a Viper. So yes I would say that they can be beaten and they are not that great!!!