Faster top speed???

Hello, I have a 97 Civic DX with a header and cold air intake. My car is quick off the line, but when I hit about 3rd gear, it drags like crazy and on the highway, I hardly have any acceleration. Can anyone tell me some of the best ways to increase my speed at high speeds:confused: I'm getting tired of smoken people off the line, then they just fly by me. PLEASE help!!!!

well a cat back will help your top end especially if you have a new header.

i know how you feel. i have very good low end torque and i'm rear wheel drive. so i destroy them off the line, and then finally when i hit third gear, they pass me. i think its cuase my gearing is alittle tall on 3rd gear. but not that tall. well i don't have the problem anymore. becuase i've done whatever i can in my budget to improve my mid to top end. but i'm surprised that your civic can take cars off the line. i mean your engine isn't exactly a torque monster and i know for a fact that civics got some pretty tall gears. are you racing automatics? just curious. but what you can do to improve your 3rd gear is to buy a cat back exhaust. since your engine size is only 1.6 liters i would suggest having piping around 1.7 inches across. this way you don't lose any torque. and get a cam gear and retardt he timeing. then you'll shift yoru whole power band closer towards the bottom and your power comes on almost instantly.

Thanks, I really want to swap engines but I don't have that kind of money. I'll probably just end up getting cat-back eventually.

I dunno about you, but a good, old fashoined rocket engine has always worked for me.

Originally posted by YellowMaranello
I dunno about you, but a good, old fashoined rocket engine has always worked for me.

I've always had good performance with NOS...


I need NOS... two of the big ones... and i need them by tonight harry.

Originally posted by RedNeck383


I've always had good performance with NOS...


I need NOS... two of the big ones... and i need them by tonight harry.


Amateurs don't use NOS. I've seen the way you drive you have a heavy foot.You'll blow yourself to pices redneck.













So is that what you did to your bike put NOS?:D

STOP NOW!!

I thought GReddy exhaust would mean a catback sytstem... so you have a GReddy muffler?

I think the problem is you have a 1.6 liter naturally aspirated engine, and it just doesn't make enough power to really pull at higher speeds. A turbo rebuild or an engine swap are really your only options, aside from nitrous... Then again, start putting nitrous through a stock engine and you're asking for trouble.

H22A swap!!!

Cant anyone ask a legitimate question, without being told to get a different car? :rolleyes:

Count your blessings, my truck stops pulling at about 25

i'm not sure about this so let the tech heads break it down, but wouldn't a civic ex tranny help him?

same exact thread going right now... "top speed"

anyways your an idiot for getting a dx civic. your engine is trash, thow it away. it sucks you need a b18 bad, this unimpressive engine is weak and will never be fast. your car sucks, why didnt you get a mustang 5.0?
j/k j/k...
forget all the people who tell you to get a swap. im a firm believer in forced induction after driving in a sohc 1.6 litre civic. i say get an exaust since i think your on a budget.some kid with a 1.5 litre non vtec pulls on me at the top of 3rd when he got his exaust, and he had nothin before. sure it wont be amazing power, but best/easiest/most reliable thing you can do for $500 id say. and it looks better + sound. you could get nitrous, but its not like your going to spray everytime you need to accelerate in 3rd. Oh and theres no probs with running a small shot on a stock engine. if you generally want to make your car faster, get FI, but if you want your car the fastest itll possibly go, youll need a new engine. A new engine is not neccesary to make you car faster...

Is this your second or third thread about this same thing?Fact:a civic dx will never be fast end of story.You can use nitrous,supercharger,turbo ,whatever,and a swap is still going to blow it away this is a proven fact so swap your motor or swap your car.

fact: jcrx doesnt know what he's talking about :flipa:

it might be in this thread, it might be in anotherdamn, it might not even be on this board but i was just reading a post about an n/a dx running 10's... any car can be fast with enough money, and besides hes notr asking how to make his car the fastest it could possibly go, just more speed. hed be stupid to spend 3k doin a swap when he could go FI and make more power.

FACT:freedomfisted is a hypocrite first he tells this guy he's an idiot for buying a dx then you want to say I don't know what I'm talking about.For I thing I am not some little 16 year old who just learned how to drive and the car a got now isn't my first buildup.And I've seen so many people saying stuff like "why isn't my dx able to beat anything on the road except yugo's,Ijust don't understand"BECAUSE IT'S NOT A RACE CAR!!!!!!!!If you don't want people to pull on you you got spend lot's of money building up a sohc and yea quite a bit swapping and boosting and all that other stuff but if you start building and boosting a motor with potential then your better off in the long run and a swap may just be what he needs to have his car for more that a year without blowing it up and still achieving the speed he desires.And another thing a b series swap can easily be had for well under 2000 ((mine was only 1200 plus 400 for the full front and rear brake conversion)which by the way is a lot of money)where as a good turbo system from the prices I've seen is upwards of of 2500 or more then you have to mantain it and depending on how hard you push it rebuilding your dx motor in the end anyway.So my advice is do whatever you want with your car,this is just a place to get opinions.

note the 'j/k' below me telling him to throw his engine away. i was just pretending to be the asshole you guys are for telling him to get a new car/engine. He just asked how to get more power.. he didnt say "how do i make my civic the fastest itll possibly go". jcrx your car is not meant to be a race car either. your b16 engine is not meant to be a race engine, but youve probably managed to make it fast. hondas are eant to be grocery getters, but you make them as quick as you want it to be with enough time/money. Its not a proven fact a swap is quicker either. im thinkin a boosted dx engine will by quicker and more reliable than throwing in a junkyard b-series. oh and the fact that i'm 16 has nothing to do wth it. you think you know it all cause your a bit older? i doubt you did that swap/conversion on your own cause it doesnt sound like you know what your talking about, saying a swap is quicker than FI... and we're not even talkin long run power either, just how to make his car a bit faster...

if you are 16 then I am twice your age not a "bit" older.Another thing is I did swap my motor by myself and it took four days two to do it and two to trouble shoot everything.As for a f/i dx being faster than a swap- dx stock 108hp ok lets add boost say a nice 50hp safe ok 158hp a few more things here and there you get a generous 170hp not bad for a dx eh-swap=160 or 170 depending...add on the same generous 12 bolted on hp and you get 172 or 182 now save up some more cash a boost or spray that.Cost-dx turbo 1000 to 3500/swap-500 to 4500 depending on where you look who does it.Maintaining boosted motor can get expensive,for a swap same as your stock.Take advice from people who have learned the hard way my friend.

for the amount of money total doing a swap you could piece together a turbo and get fuel/ignition.. enough to make 170 wheel horsepower... a swap w/ bolt ons wont make that much power to the wheels. everyone told me to get a swap, then i heard some people usuing fmax and i checked them out. supossedly their kit did this:
http://www.f-max.com/dyno%20d16%2096%20alpha.gif
on a d16y8 with stock internals. would i get this kit and expect to make 230 horses to the wheels? no way, but i would expect to beat a b16 w/ bolt ons ass. even if it only made 170 horses to the wheels, its still more since b167 isnt putting that much power to the ground. surely if that 128 horsepower engine threw out 230 to the ground.. a 108 horse engine should be able to make 170 to the ground, right? I think piecing together your own turbo/fuel/ignition is about the same as doing a good swap. if you want though, go get the $1000 junkyard shit swap and see how reliable that is. besides he asked how to make HIS car go faster, assuming he wants to keep HIS engine. anyways... you said "Swap your motor there really is no other way to squeeze power out of the dx"
so i said you didnt know what youre talking about.. which you dont if you think there really is no other way to sqeeze power out of a dx, because there are PLENTY of ways to sqeeze power out of his engine.

I would have to agree with the last post. I ran the d16z in my civic with nitrious for a couple of months before i melted a piston. Then i opted to swap in a gsr motor which suprisingly was quicker alone than the stock motor with juice. The lesson is to start with a badass base motor and then worry about building up from there. I think of all the money i put into that sohc when i should have just saved it and swapped in the motor anyhow. You should still do the catback though because you will be able to use it with whatever else you decide to do with your engine setup.

instead of arguing with each other why not just ask the original guy how fast he wants to run. that will better see whats the best option for him

orignial poster guy, how fast do you wanna run ? do you want a drag car ?

good idea, but it doesnt change the fact that jcrx saying he cant sqeeze anything out of that engine isnt a totally ignorant comment. i agree, if you want to make your car the fastest it can possibly be, get a swap... but not everyone wants that

My piont wasn't that you can't squeeze some power out of a dx it's just that it is a waste of time in the end.And where do you get this term junkyard shit swap,that is stupid,do you think that the only motors out there are shit because they came from a junkyard your a fool,some,yes but that is why you look call and communicate.F/I is forced induction as you stated fuel/ignition is not something you need,it is something every car comes with.I have nothing against F/I as a matter of fact I like it,but you have to have a strong motor for it or in a few months you start wondering why it's running hot,oh no is that oil in your radiator time to cry now cuz you got a blown head gasket and your waterpumps failing but your not really paying attention so there goes one of your boosted rods flyin threw yer block.And by the way a b16 isn't the best motor to bost anyway a b18 would serve boost better.If it is true about 170hp from a b16(siRII) is base and not wheel than the same goes for the dx so lets drop the 108 to say about 80whp and the b is still 62hp on ya.

To the original guy if you want get a I/H/E a 35-55hp shootajuice up your ignition and fuel system and you will be happy.That stuff will only run you around 900-1800 depending on wither or not you you are smart about it.Happy driving!!!

you wont find a good engine for $500 like you said, unless like i said, its a junker. and i meant he could upgrade fuel/ignition to run higher boost, not that he had to get them. yeah drop it to 80 wheel horsepower... my car makes about 90 whorsepower and i gave you a link to a dyno showing 13 psi w/ stock internals making 225 wheel horsepower on pump gas... 90 whp to 225... he should easily be able to make 80-200.. or even 80 to 170 whp which would still smoke b16 swap. and yes i/h/e is a good idea jcrx, but if you actually read the thread you would know he already has cai/h... and only needs an exaust, which is what has already been mentioned. and i bet your current fuel system flows enough for a 35-55 shot, and like jcrx said get ignition, but i wouldnt bother with more than wires and colder plugs for a small shot.

ok Listen to someone that owns a civic and modifies the stock 1.6L ok you have a DX that is great because it means that you have a lighter model. Insted of getting a Cat-Back keep your eye out for a EX 1.6L SOHC VTEC motor this will help a lot. If you swap the SOHC VTEC motor into your DX with the EX ECU then you will be beating the EX's because of a weight factor. You can bolt the EX motor up to your Tranny for now and then later swap out the EX Tranny. Now the EX motors are a little bit diffrent they have High End and no low end which is what you want in a Honda. That is why we take them because we got the high end. Let them take you on the launch it is who makes it to the finish line first is what matters. Now after swapping out the EX motor then at a later time if you want to slap a Turbo on then you will be smashing hardcore. My fastest time before I got the header and the high flow cat was a 15.79 I will clock my car again next spring because they are going to be closing the track soon. It is nice that you want to try modding your DX motor but it may not be worth it. If you want some decent power then get a SOHC VTEC.

Originally posted by FREED0MFiST
fact: jcrx doesnt know what he's talking about :flipa:

it might be in this thread, it might be in anotherdamn, it might not even be on this board but i was just reading a post about an n/a dx running 10's... any car can be fast with enough money, and besides hes notr asking how to make his car the fastest it could possibly go, just more speed. hed be stupid to spend 3k doin a swap when he could go FI and make more power.

I really would like to see that post. Because at JDMhondaparts.com they have a CRX with 25 PSI and it is a SOHC VTEC and it is running 10's Infact the fastest Honda N/A ran a 10.59 and it was a Fully built GSR Block with a B16 head. Please show the proof for I do not believe you.

i never said it was true, just someone else said it. i think it could have been at the d-series board. i dont care enough to try hard to look, but if i come across it ill post it and you can flame the guy who said it cause you guys are cool like that. IMO if your going to swap you might as well go b series unless you can find a d sohc vtec reeeaaly cheap, which is entirely possible.

ok if you find it I would love to flame that gay wad. I hate Message Board Myths. You can go with a B series motor which will have more pontenal for more horse power but mods will cost more. Or you can get a D series motor (Underdog) and put money into it and make it fast but I recommend you do F/I with the D series motor unless you own a gutted hatch then you could do a N/A D series motor No Problem.

i want to swap engines with my civics and put the d16 into my 92 and go turbo... but i gotta sell my 98 civic and i dount anyone will buy it with a d15 lol

With a stock tranny and a stock motor your not gonna get any uhmf in 3rd gear. Civic were designed as economy cars and the gear that is used the most in city driving is 3rd gear, making it the longest gear and also the hardest to pull when you are racing someone. You can pump some cash into your motor and give it some power in 3rd or you can do a motor swap and hook up a good tranny. If you have the money and resources the best thing to do is to get a integra gsr tranny and have a tranny shop install a type-r final drive with a integra ls fifth gear. This is the combo that I use, 1st through 4th has some insane acceleration, perfect for the 1/4 mile, then my 5th gear is realy low giving me a good gearing for highway driving. But also remember, the cheapest way to change your gearing is to go with a smaller tire!

Alright this thread has become silly,please no more freedumbfist you are a child and you proved by spouting out "well I know this web site w/ a 10 sec. n/a dx but actually this guy told me about it aahh...."Like I said original to the original poster,if you want to get an exhaust get it but people are still gonna pull on you in third(rear above reply).If you want a flat out 100% pure upgrade that you can continue to drive w/o worring all the time or constant tuning...swap your motor.freedumbfisted has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to motor prices here in Germany there is a guy with a four story barn full of nothing but honda parts at least 16 b16a1 a couple a2's a complete swap for the a1 is around 900 and like I said in the states when I was on leave I found an b16a2 motor only for 500 believe it or not there are a lot of people that haven't seen the fast and the foolish and still look at honda motors as econobox engines so they don't jack the price up.You can find them if you get a phone book and not a copy of importtuner

lol all i said was that i heard it, you think i care about who's running what with what? no i dont care to know, and me not being a loser checking pro drag racing times has nothing to do with how much i know about engines. yeah good luck driving without worrying when you get a fucked up motor. here, www.hmotorsonline.com known to have the cheaper prices... 2450 for b16 + shipping + replacement of fucked up parts + installation for people like jcrx who obviously know nothing and have to fall into the swap trend because theyre too stupid to tune what they have, and act like its the only way to get. sure swaps are great, i totally agree, but its NOT THE ONLY WAY. you say you cant sqeeze any power out of that motor... sure jcrx, sure, you know what you talking about. oh by the way, i laugh that you're twice my age, because your maturity level is through the roof, freedumbfist, thats a good one, especially coming from a fully grown man who gave up maturing at 9. i laugh :p

If anyone plans on buying an engine go to www.jdmhondaparts.com before you do. They have good prices and they take care of you. Dude, dont waste your time swaping a d16 into your 92! Sell your 96 and buy a real engine for it.

yeah the buying an engine part is a bitch. since i own the 92 and i own the 98 i would just swap em. if my mom doesnt get a new car she'll take my 98, and i dount she'll mind having a slower engine. ill check out jdmhondaparts if theyre not whack, whats the other really good site for engines? since im out of a job now and i cant make more than 8 an hour money is hard to come by, and if i ever get 3k saved up id prob rather go turbo than swap...

Have you looked into all of you engine options? You can swap a B18 (out of an integra LS) its not vtec but they still have good power. If you want to go for a low budget engine you can go with a B20 (out of a crv) they have tons of torque. With a stock B20 a civic is hella fun to drive. The B20 will take another civic with the B16. When I had just the stock B20 in my car i took a B16 with spoon internals and cams in the 1/4. Also the B20 is a fairly low compression engine, so you can run a turbo at like 10 psi of boost on the stock drive train and it will still be a reliable daily driver with around 300hp. You can get a B18 or B20 set up complete with tranny for just under or around 2 grand. Also, another thing to think about is when you swap a Vtec engine into a previously non-vtec car you have to buy another wiring kit to wire the vtec into the ECU or you can swap the wiring harness (PAIN IN THE ARSE!). If you do end up putting the D16 in your civic remember that it will never put out as much power as a b16, b18, b20, h22.... and when you realize this after you turbo it your gonna want to go get a better engine, thus spending more money in the long run.

its not like i can afford an engine, then pArts to modify it. its a turbo d15 vs b series, i choose turbo d15. i can only do d16 swap because its free, for the most part.

Maturity Mr. Fist as a state of mind is boring,my wife and kid have everything they need and no bills go unpaid so nannynannybooboo!The reason I get so bent about people advising people to waste their time and money on fruitless upgrades that are not going to do what they want is because I and others have wasted lots of time and cash trying to make our cars as good as possible.But if you keep to tuning you will learn from experience instead of hear-say.And If you still want to believe that a good motor can't be had for under 2500 then you just keep on believin' and keep driving prices up cuz the more you buy from them the more the prices go up.As far as motor swapping being a trend I guess someone like you might think this generation was the first to come with such a revelation but yer not.

dude i know you should swap if you want tons of power, he just askedhow to get more in third, you replied there was nothing you could get out of that engine, and i replied to indicate that was an ignorant statement. i know you can get an ENGINE for less than 2500, but a swap is more than just getting an ENGINE.

Trust me,I know it is more than just a new motor,my entire swap cost 1200(and no it is not a junkyard motor,which by the way where do you think all the motors from japan come from?)so to say you can't swap for less than 2500 is b.s..It is also more work than bolting on a few power gainers.Also I know about building a fast SOHC.I had a 86 crx si and when i was done that lil monster killed many a comer,but it took time and money and it could only go so far.After everything is said and done,I've found it is better to swap and start with a better platform with more potential,but that is just me.So now can we but an end to the being retarded.

no way a b16a2 cost only 1200, maybe a b16a1 but not a a2. go look on all the web sites. more like $2300

GOOD GOD YOU RICE BOYS ARE A BUNCH OF DUMBASSES! B16 this B16 that, f@ck a B16 and its mother. The prices on those engines are so jacked up because numbskulls like yourself think that its the only honda engine on earth. You can have a nice set up for under 2 grand that will smoke a B16! Lemme guess, you own altezza lights dont you?

Sorry to burst the bubble but YES a b16a2 with tranny ecu shift linkage mounts and all needed parts cost me 1200!!!!You don't have to believe it but it is true,oh I found plenty of expensive motors but patience is a virtue and on top of that the guy I got it from was a h22a from a flip prelude for 2000 complete the only thing you would need is the mounts.If you take your time you can find em cheaper than that.I see zc b16a1 b18a1 and other assorted 88-91 motors for as little as 200 complete.I'll let you in on another lil secret place to look.Stripyards on military bases.Find a friend who's in the service and go with them to a few or get numbers and call some.The problem with ordering motors is they get them to fill supply and demand:more demand+less supply=expensive!also all the little things like broken sensors not really knowing the milage and anything else wrong with buying a motor with out seeing it first can add up to a headache and empty wallet.5 or 6 years ago prices for these motors are not nearly what they are today because the market has now seen that people will pay for it and when andif popularity shifts to sohc(I know people already are all about them but the market is based on the extensive use of dohc)then the price of those will be driven up to ludicrous proportions.And to the guy about the altezza's no the outside of my is completely stock except the wheel and exhaust.

this thread sucks!!
"i can get this for that!!"
"no,no ur a moron you should have this 4 that"
"lol, ur crazy what u should have done is this"

WASTE MY F*CKIN TIME READING THIS CRAP THREAD WITH NO POINT!

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WHERES THE MOD 2 LOCK THIS BULLSH^T ???





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DOES ANYONE REALLY WIN??

hey jcrx where did you get your motor from ? shit if i could get a a2 for only 1200, well i could get an a2 then. hook me up

Originally posted by civickiller
hey jcrx where did you get your motor from ? shit if i could get a a2 for only 1200, well i could get an a2 then. hook me up

me 2....
CRAP STATEMENT........
hey killa??? don't get ur hopes up he probley just heard it in an internet chat room:rolleyes:

No sheps right I probably heard it on the internet not a chance of that,a swap for a decent price you must be crazy no no no you must be lying.You can call a few places try to think outside the realm of magazine and internet ads guys use your mind,as for mine it wouldn't do you much good the guy doesn't speak english(german).If you want to call him dial 011 49 171 372 3715 his name is klaus riess and if you got someone who can speak german for you then maybe you can work out shipping to the states with you.He has a 4 story barn dedicated to honda to give you an example when I was there last he had 13 b16a1 2 b16a2 1 h22a and many others.He gets new stuff in all the time he's got about 40 sets of the crx leather recaros w/the CRX VTEC stitched on em.Stacks of ecus oh and if you need a wiring harness guess what in Germany the cars are left hand drive so they match up.Imagine if you will a siR now imagine it left hand drive now call it a VTi and you've got disco.Oh and the best part they come from Japan so you get to say JDM all day and mean it.But like I said when I was home on leave I found a motor in a junkyards garage for 500 the guy was so happy that someone wanted it cuz it had been sitting there for a few months.There are also like I said stripyards on military post that are cheap as well just look it's really not that hard.

Oh yea Killa when I get back from deployment if you haven't already got one I try to help you out with getting a motor.

egshaun im curious what this setup for under 2g's thatll smoke a b16 is... if you say "nos" im going to laugh my ass off. and shep, dont be such a whiny bitch, no one made you read this thread, and you complain about how this thread is stupid and going back and fourth(which it is), yet you contribute by saying jcrx is making crap statements. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by FREED0MFiST
egshaun im curious what this setup for under 2g's thatll smoke a b16 is... if you say "nos" im going to laugh my ass off. and shep, dont be such a whiny bitch, no one made you read this thread, and you complain about how this thread is stupid and going back and fourth(which it is), yet you contribute by saying jcrx is making crap statements. :rolleyes:

let me guess?? it's 3 o-clock and school is finally out so u can post u lil'homo!!!:finger:

d-series turbo

and the thread is "wait a minute" was about better acceleration in third dumbass..NOT about half the shit that this thread has formed into pee-wee
:devil:

You can get a B20 with a B18 tranny for under 2000. I did the complete swap in my car for just over 1900, and thats with spark plugs, wires, hoses and all that good stuff.

nah i got out of school at 12... and what are you some middle age dude who never grew up, working a shitty desk job so you come here and post? maybe... i just think your a burnt out fuck up who mods out grocery his getter cause you're too poor to buy a real sports car when you had your mid life crisis. but shit what do i expect from old dudes who sit on the net all day? and if the thread is about beter accel in 3rd, why dont you contribute since we're just bickering pee wees? and egshaun, if you got your parts online, whered you get em?

We're sorry eg just try to forget the gun we pionted at your head while forcing you to read the thread.And actually it started screwed up anyway cuz the guy asked about how to keep people from beating him when he's in third but the thread is titled "top speed???",now you tell me what the has to do with third gear?When I hit top I'm in fifth.True opinions are like a$$holes and this thread reeks like a porta toilet but you crappin here doesn't make it anybetter.And come on now freedom not all us older dudes are stuck in dead end jobs with nothing better to do than hop up our grocery-getters.I do as a matter of fact go to the grocery store in my car,just now the trip on the autobahn in more fun!!!So if everyone can just get over this silliness we can move on to something more useful.