pantera hemi

THE PANTERA GT-5 IS A BEAUTY. 8,7 LITRE HEMI ENGINE. what ya'll think of this auto?
No turbo, no compressor, no nitro bottle. Just a normal, naturally breathing engine.

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Why would anyone want to do that to a Pantera? I would think going from a Ford smallblock to a Chrysler bigblock would really throw off the weight distribution. The Pantera was more about handling then straightline performance, and it's not like a 351C 4V has any problems with straightline performance...

I don't mean to sound like a whiny purist, but I like the original 351C in the Pantera ;)

The top picture shows a good looking spoiler, but none of the others. :( It looks really good!

Dude that Pantera is F***ing awsome! That spoiler is HUGE!!!!!!! :smoker2:

CBass, the hemi wouldnt disrupt the weight distribution too much. The Big Block should only be about 200lbs heavier... which should help it gain traction.


Plus Pantera + Hemi = How it should of been done in the first place!

That would be a nice car :bandit:

Originally posted by RedNeck383
CBass, the hemi wouldnt disrupt the weight distribution too much. The Big Block should only be about 200lbs heavier... which should help it gain traction.


Plus Pantera + Hemi = How it should of been done in the first place!
I think so too the more weight it has to the back wheels the better grab she's gonna get, plus big horse power gain.

That is an amazing car. Is that powered by a 528?And what numbers is puting out.

it will be high I suppose?

In a straight line it will help with the traction, but it will kill the cornering ability.

It already a rear heavy car, and that extra 200 lbs of big block plus accessories is going to make it worse...

I think the 351C was an adequate engine as it was, especially when you stroke it to 7 liters. The valves and ports on the motor are massive, and it could easily make 600hp...

you're forgetting its a mid engine application.. the extra weight wont matter much.

oh of course.

Actually, the Pantera had really bad handling problems because of it's poor weight distribution... It was prone to both severe understeer, and severe oversteer, depending on speed and application of throttle ;)

Really though, those Cleveland smallblocks have enormous potential! If you start with the 400M block, (it's a cleveland block with a 1" taller deck), you can make a 7+ liter stroker, and the valves on the Cleveland 4V heads are just enormous, as are the ports. The intake valves were 2.19", and the exhaust valves were 1.7"

Honestly, there is a ton of potential in that smallblock... Then again, I'm a little partial towards the Cleveland, the 400M I have is a factory Cleveland stroker :D

Do you own the Pantera and if so have you ever went on a top speed run late at night on the freeway HemiGeorge?

I don't think that's his Pantera...

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I'll take that at face value...

Originally posted by lowridder11
Do you own the Pantera and if so have you ever went on a top speed run late at night on the freeway HemiGeorge? nope not mine, just thought it was nice looking vehicle. And she's baring a hemi! gotta love that.

Originally posted by Cbass
Why would anyone want to do that to a Pantera? I would think going from a Ford smallblock to a Chrysler bigblock would really throw off the weight distribution.

the pantera with the hemi weighed less with the 351 clevland in the originals b/c them had aluminum heads. weights in at 2970 pounds.
the hemi is a426, Stroked to 526cui. just for you ppl who were asking.

I wonder how this upgraded 426 compares to a 528. Do you know any of the power specs what about the performances of the car 0-60 1/4 etc. Thanks

You can't be serious George, a 351C weighs 500lbs with iron heads, and a Hemi weighs far more than that.

As for the 528 vs 426, they're the same engine, the 528 just has a longer stroke.

the styling is nice!

Originally posted by Neutrino
I wonder how this upgraded 426 compares to a 528. Do you know any of the power specs what about the performances of the car 0-60 1/4 etc. Thanks
here's all I know bout that Horsepower 700hp at 6600rpm
Torque 630fp 5300rpm 0-60 mph 3,3 sec

Originally posted by Cbass
You can't be serious George, a 351C weighs 500lbs with iron heads, and a Hemi weighs far more than that.

As for the 528 vs 426, they're the same engine, the 528 just has a longer stroke.
yea but think about her with aluminum heads and that weight I put up there was the total car weight with the hemi.

Originally posted by Menu dei Motori
the styling is nice!


Dang, that just pegged my YMMV-o-meter! I liked the early Pantera's styling (by Tjaarda, right?), but once they started tacking c**p all over it, :apuke:

:D

Well, they had to update the styling to match cars like the Countach, and Ferraris of the era... I also prefer the classic look of the pre 74 Panteras, before they tacked on those heavy bumpers.

Seriously though, the 351C has the best smallblock heads ever put on a production car, with a possible exception being the ZR1 LT5 heads. Those heads support more than enough flow for a big block, in fact, the 351C just didn't have the displacement to warrant those sort of heads. However, a 450ci stroker based off the 400M block does. The 400M was a 351C with a taller deck height, and junk heads based off of the 351C 2 barrel heads.

So I see you have a 64 Alpine Tiger, does it still have the original engine, or have you done anything to give it more power?

Originally posted by Cbass
So I see you have a 64 Alpine Tiger, does it still have the original engine, or have you done anything to give it more power?

Much has been updated.

Now with a Ford Motorsports 302, dyno says 272.4 rwhp, backed up by a 5-speed. Lots of suspension mods, upgraded interior, etc. -- but all keeping a "period look".

Sorry for getting off-topic.:o

Very nice! I would give my firstborn child for a Tiger. Say, you're not in the market for a first child, are you?

No thanks, I understand those things leak more than a British car.:D

Here's a website with some pictures and data on my car:

http://www.onlineshowoff.com/index.asp?section=profile&username=Tiger

Back to the Pantera Hemi; I can certainly see the allure of putting such a powerful engine in there. If it were mine, i would remove all accesories, such as AC, PS, etc, that add weight to the engine. Of course, with a bigger engine comes a bigger/stronger drivetrain, adding weight. While it would probably be possible to keep weight close to stock. Either way, this is a very interesting car.

Originally posted by Chris
Back to the Pantera Hemi.

Aye, but if you want a mid-engined car with a Hemi, there is always the Monteverdi 450SS "Hai' -- if you can find one.

No doubt, this took a lot of work, and makes a lot of HP; but to me it's akin to sticking a Chevy small-block in a 32 Ford.

It would seem that link doesn't work, Tiger :(

I'd like to say, a stroker Cleveland with aluminum heads weighs 200lbs less than a Hemi, and will make as much power on the same gas.