Making Of - Ferrari F310B (*Progress Pics*)

By the time you read these lines I already have started the first of my new two projects.
It is the Ferrari F310B and I will make the Eddie Irvine version from the 1997 Formula 1 season.
I will use some detailed decals I order from Studio 27, I guess.
I’ve already started from the basics, cutting, washing and sanding all body parts that later will be premiered and painted.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/496908F310B_01.jpg

Thank you :right:

:wave:

Why Irvine version? :bloated: Is it to be different from the most? Oh well, I sort of like Irv as well. Good luck and make sure you tell us about every step!

Alex

Originally posted by Gainsbourg
By the time you read these lines I already have started the first of my new two projects.
It is the Ferrari F310B and I will make the Eddie Irvine version from the 1997 Formula 1 season.
I will use some detailed decals I order from Studio 27, I guess.
I’ve already started from the basics, cutting, washing and sanding all body parts that later will be premiered and painted.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/496908F310B_01.jpg

Gainsbourg,
make sure you wash the tires real good before decaling/dry transfering. I've never had the problem before or since, but my 310's tire transfers would NOT stick!...ended up using Future to hold them in place and then using Testor's Dullcote to fix everything as best I could. Anyways, anxiously awaiting you build!
Bill
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If its built half as good as your others we are still in for a treat :)

Thanks for the tip bvia :)

Maybe due to the complexity of F310B shape de cockpit was not moulded in one single piece (like most of the F1 models) but in 6 small pieces that must be glued together
This will create various gaps between the pieces that even after all the primer and paint job may continue to be visible if not correctly treated.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/35234702.jpg
I have decided not to follow the correct order of the instructions in order to correct this problem in a way I think is the better.
I took extremely care to assure that the parts are glued in the perfect position and will fit perfectly with the back part and engine cover.
After all pieces were glued I cover the gaps with putty and sand them till the entire surface was uniform.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/17893803.jpg
The front session is now ready to be washed with blue and white soap and to receive two coats of white primer and three coats of paint.

I've done the F310B some time ago for a friend, and I also didn't follow the instructions as far as the nose section is concerned, so you're on the right way there ;) For the tyre decals, you can also use Micro Set to make them stick better.

Eagerly following your progress!

Ah feck you anyway, im in the middle of building the Revell 310 and was going to do the Irvine version to be different (and the fact he is Irish). Im having the same problem trying to decide what order to build the Monocoque, i know the seam lines will be far to obvious if I dont put them together first. Will have to sit down and have a proper look at it tonight.

Anyway best of luck cant wait to see it

Dublinguy

(PS incase anyone is wondering what happened to the F50 I was building and asking loads of questions about, its still sitting in Brake Fluid and it just started to piss me off so I will return to it)

I don’t know how the similarities of the Revell model to the Tamiya one, but I sure advise you to build the monocoque in one piece since definitively is the right option to get a clean final model.
As I’ve already said you must have especial care in gluing the side air entrances to the radiators, since they will have to fit correctly with the back part and engine cover.
Paint with semi-gloss black (I prefer 85 from Humbrol) the inside of the monocoque and the piece that will support the front suspension. Then glue everything and protect the inside of the monocoque with some newspaper before you paint it. All the parts like the seat and the instrument panel can be placed after you build the entire monocoque.
Here is the status of my now:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/903228MONOCOQU.jpg
I also opted to glue the front wing supports, as you can see.
After the fist coat of primer I was not totally satisfied whit the junctions so I have applied some more putty and will sand it again tomorrow before one smaller coat of primer. Hope that after that I can start applying the colour coats.
I’ve also spent some time correcting these irritating circles (from the modeling process) that appear in every back and side wings.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/427807FRONTWIN.jpg
Again a little of putty and some sanding to make it as good as possible.

Those "irritating circles" are called "ejector pin marks". They are created whenever the liquid plastic flows into the faces of the ejector pins and their cylinders. The ejector pins are used to eject the still warm styrene from the molds and are flush with the moldface during the injecting phase. THey then push out of their holes to eject the part.

I know, probably more than you (or anyone) wanted to know, but there ya go...;-)>
Bill
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p.s. I used the exact same building sequence with my 310's front monocoque, so you're on the right track!

Yeah not sure myself what the differences are between Revell and Tamiya kits but I would take a good guess that you arent having the fitment probs that I am having.

As for the monocoque, its in two parts, the upper and lower, from the instructions its telling me to fit the steering wheel and seat before the upper half is fitted but the problem there is there wont be a clean line on the paint. But I cant see how I can fit the seat into the cockpit without putting them in first. As for the rear engine cover Im kinda lucky there as the cover is part of the upper monocoque.

My progress is the Engine is complete, the upper monocoque is ready for priming (and Im scared im going to make a right royal cock-up of that) but the lower part still needs some puttying and sanding.

Dublin

When I was making my revell 310b, the front section was probably the biggest pita in my modelling experience to date! When filling the seam and sanding the putty, it was close to impossible not to break the suspension (which I duly did) as it is supposed to be attached before joining the two nose sections. Here is my humble attempt (not that it's my first model!)

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/991802F310B.jpg

Hey Ales,

Good job on it, would luv to be able to see a little closer to the seam lines. Do you agree with me though the the upper and lower portion of the monocoque need to be painted first before being placed together?

Dublin

Originally posted by Dublinguy
Do you agree with me though the the upper and lower portion of the monocoque need to be painted first before being placed together?


Yes, if you want to follow instructions. What I'd do if I had to build this kit again is cut out the central parts of the upper suspension arms (the ones that are supposed to go inside the monocoque and attach the suspension later to the finished monocoque. This way you can fill the seam and paint the nose as one part - will look 10X times better than what the instructuions suggest. I would also probably cut out the floor under the seat so that I can install the seat and other stuff after painting the momocoque (it's been a while (like 2 years) since I built the kit so I don't quite remember if it's possible without cuting off the floor). Also pay attention to the area of the front wing supports - it needs a lot of careful filling.

Actuallly thats a great idea for teh suspension, never crossed my mind to do it that way.....As for the seat, yes i think the floor would have to be cut and thats not something i would attempt at the moment.

Dublin

Been working on the monocoque for about one week.
Here is the current status. Two coats of Bright Red applied two more to go.Probably tomorrow I’ll give them both. Most important, all the work in correcting the gaps between the pieces was a success since as you can see there’s no visible indication that this are 9 separated pieces instead of one single piece. New updates to come.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/458977FERRA.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/783627FERRB.jpg

Not bad! Coming along nicely! Can't wait for more! Have you started on the engine yet? ;)

Alex

Not bad? Gains is doing a great job on this. ;) I know that it is not easy to get the monocoque right - takes a lot of work, but he's for sure on the right track! :D

Thanks for your comments guys and for your interest on the progress of this model. :)
The engine/rear suspension work is just I a early stage since almost all of my efforts are canalised to the conclusion of the monocoque and the preparation of the Alpine body, anyway here’s a picture of the engine status.
http:// http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/157997FENG01.jpg

New update.
The V10 Ferrari engine, gearbox and rear suspension is finish.
Just have to finish the exhausts and the complete block is ready to be connected to the monocoque's back.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/383935FENG02.jpg

So mudh detail in that engine, cant wait for it to be done:smoker2:

looking good! anxiously waiting updated pics... thanks!

New update.
Not to much time to work during this weekend, although I manage to finish the tires, front, back, side wings etc. Also started to apply the decals in the monocoque. I am a bit disappointed with the decals. Not the Tamiya ones, they’re great, but the High-Tech ones (at least the ones I have) are extremely fragile and break as soon as I’m carefully taking them out of the support paper. I had to use lots of small parts of spare decals to fix the damages. Anyway here is the progress of the project. Engine is now totally ready.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/568514CSTATUS.jpg

Gainesbourg, I am having the same experience right now with my S27 high tech decals for my Mclaren MP4/5B. What I have done is to soak them in very hot water instead of warm water, and I'm soaking them for 20 seconds. When I'm holding them in the water, I make sure my tweezer only touches the clear backing, not the decal itself. Then, I set the decal on the model, still handling it by the clear carrier film, then apply a coat of Micro-sol, let it dry overnight, and remove the carrier film the next day with tape.

What I think is happening is the clear carrier film is releasing itself from the decal paper but the decal itself is not, resulting in fragile decals.

Guys, remember that the High Tech S27 decals are a special breed. IIRC, they have NO carrier film UNDER the decal. The carrier film is laid OVER the decal and is to be removed (once it has dried for several days) by applying cellophane tape to the top of the decal and then gently, GENTLY removing the tape (whcih will lift the carrier film that was applied on the TOP of the decal) off, thus leaving the decal "carrier film free"!

Every build review I've seen has had problems learning this new technique...FWIW I don't use the High Tech versions, instead I simply cut the ragged "under" carrier film as close to the decal as possbile.

hth,
Bill
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Hi Gains,

You're coming along ver well! Sorry about the trouble with the decals, but I've never used the High Tech decals before. Although I experienced a sort of a same problem with the Sonax Merc that I'm finishing. Those decals were completely wrinckled and when they came of they just broke into pieces. But I managed to get them all done, with lots of patience. So hang in there dude and you'll be fine! ;)

03-12-2002

Time for a new update about the car status.
Seat belts were made using the Studio 27 detail set and give the car an amazing realism.
Next step, the engine cover. Hope you like it so far.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/280588F1.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/734166F2.jpg

Beautiful work there Gains!

Did you have any trouble getting the front Marlboro decal to sit down over the rollbar/camera thingy in front of the cockpit opening?

Scary thought but if you were to retrospectively apply the new points system they are introducing in F1 next year to the 1997 results - Schumacher would have won the championship in this car!

But it balances out because Hill would have beat him in 1994 :)

Phil

Hi Gains,

Very, very impressive. I can't wait to see this one finished. Not a favourite of the subject though but from a modeling standpoint your doing great!

Originally posted by RallyRaider

Scary thought but if you were to retrospectively apply the new points system they are introducing in F1 next year to the 1997 results - Schumacher would have won the championship in this car!

Phil

Regardless the points system, he was disqulified in that year... correct me if I'm wrong, for aggressive driving on Villeneuve in Jerez. :bloated:

Regardless the points system, he was disqulified in that year... correct me if I'm wrong, for aggressive driving on Villeneuve in Jerez. :bloated: [/B]

Ahh yes... :toothless:

But given the revised points situation Herr Schumacher wouldn't have needed to go for the punt... :evillaugh

Looks great. I am eagerly waiting to see more. :D

05-12-2002

Back session is finished, only have to glue the back wing.
I will give the clear coats to the front session before I build the front suspensions, this way I can get a clear job.
As daggerlee have told, the High-Tech decals are much easy to handle if we let them in warm water for some more time than the usual. I’m getting much better results now.
I don’t know if someone already has build this Tamiya model but the engine cover doesn’t fit to well.
The photograph of the model in the instruction papers shows the same problem so I don’t know if this is standard to this model.
This model will be resting for some days before I apply the clear coats so it’s time to give some more attention to the Alpine. New updates to come.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/751254F3.jpg

Hi Gains,

Coming together good. I guess the red seems a bit "pale" because of the interior ligthing. It's probably going to look much better in daylight.
Very nice so far!! Take your time in finishing the front end 'suspension' etc.

Guido

Yeah, what Mercedes guy said! ;)

j/k :D:D:D

Originally posted by ales
Yeah, what Mercedes guy said! ;)

j/k :D:D:D

Tell you what man, I actually build this model right after it was released for a friend of mine, yes a Ferrarri/Schum fan.

You didn't know about that, did you.... :finger: :finger: lol :D

Hey, you already told me about your wise best friend! :D:D:D:D

Still makes you a Mercedes guy! Ad there's nothing wrong with it either. :right:

:D :D :D

Originally posted by huudo
I guess the red seems a bit "pale" because of the interior ligthing. It's probably going to look much better in daylight.

Yes, the photo was taken without flash, just using the light of my desk lamp.
The colours of the real model are much stronger.

21-12-2002

Time for new progress photos as the F310B begin to show is final form.
I only have applied a single clear coat since I get the desire result with it.
Front and side wings were fixed as well as all the front suspension.
I only have to glue the disk brakes and attach the wheels so the front session is completely finished.
Hope you like it so far.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/547110FERRARI.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/609054FERRARI2.jpg

Excellent work as usual, cant wait to see the finished kit. :D

Impressive sight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Originally posted by Gainsbourg
21-12-2002

Hope you like it so far.


I sure do!!
Have been out of town for some days so I'm cathcing up with the latest news here. Jee, I had to do nearly 3 new pages... :bloated:

Anyway, I really love to see this one finished! I'm sure you'll throw in a couple of cool outside pics!

31-12-2002

I have decided to end this making of thread since the work that still is to be done is minimum (glue the back wing, a camera and a antenna).
As soon as I get a clear day I will take some photos of the finished model and post them.
Anyway here is a final photo that I think is interesting and shows the work done in the undertray.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/749595FERR_B.jpg
I hope that this thread can be of some use for those who in the future plan to build this model and finish with a thank you for all of you that gave me valuable tips during the construction of this one.

You are doing a great job! Isn't it ironic that with all the technology that goes into an F1 car, that it has a piece of wood bolted to the chassis!:eek: :rolleyes: