'02 Civic vs. '00 Mustang

My friend and and I today decided do a race with each other. I wanted to see how I matched up against his automtatic 2000 Ford Mustang.

We didn't have a flagger, so he just counted off then we hit it. He jumped on me but I held. My front tire was at his rear tire the whole time. We only ran for a distance of about 200 yards.

I can't wait to get my new header and exhaust. Then we will race again.

nice, what do mustangs got anyway like 300 hp? weight? size engine?

it was probably the v6 stang

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer
My friend and and I today decided do a race with each other. I wanted to see how I matched up against his automtatic 2000 Ford Mustang.

We didn't have a flagger, so he just counted off then we hit it. He jumped on me but I held. My front tire was at his rear tire the whole time. We only ran for a distance of about 200 yards.

I can't wait to get my new headers and exhaust. Then we will race again.
nice:D do me a favor and come back with a kill story once you get more modification done. If you hung with him you should be able to take him with an hp gain;)

Thanks for the support ya'll. It's a V6 Mustang. He is stock and runs about 190 HP. I know that I can take him. And I will redeem myself.

But right now I don't care if I lost cause I just turned 21 3 hours ago and we went out to party. Such fun!!! My girlfriend is a bartender at a bar that her parents own, so they picked up the tab. YAY!!!!!!!

please do all civic owners a favor and say header instead of headers. you only have one cylinder bank, and therefore only one header

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer
Thanks for the support ya'll. It's a V6 Mustang. He is stock and runs about 190 HP. I know that I can take him. And I will redeem myself.

But right now I don't care if I lost cause I just turned 21 3 hours ago and we went out to party. Such fun!!! My girlfriend is a bartender at a bar that her parents own, so they picked up the tab. YAY!!!!!!!

Well - HAPPY BIRTHDAY and all that. Have fun :)

Heyhey! way to go Fly. I'd be willing to bet big money that you could beat him if you tried. Now 8 cyl you'd be in trouble... but I've raced 4 stangs (all stick, 3 were 6 cyl and 1 8 cyl) and beat them all (the 8 cyl grinded a gear bad, thus being the ONLY reason I beat him cuz I would have straight gotten my ass handed to me otherwise)

So I've got faith in you. And HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Hope you had fun.

Thanks for the support ya'll. My friend is reading over my shoulder right now and he is joking around talking trash about the race. Don't worry I'll get him next time.

I promise that his ass is going down next time.

Here are picks or him and I before the race

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/634464DCP_1237.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/131364Show019.jpg

Good race, but in all honesty it will probably take more then a header to beat the mustang, even though it is an auto v6.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Good race, but in all honesty it will probably take more then a header to beat the mustang, even though it is an auto v6.

The manual tranny V6 'Stang runs a mid-to-high 15 quarter, whereas the auto runs low 16's.

The 2002 Civic EX manual runs a low-to-mid 16 quarter stock.

Besides the launch advantage of a RWD Mustang, it is pretty close, especially if the Civic is modded and the 'Stang is not.

So, it may take more than a header for you to beat a V6 'Stang, but not much more than that, if you drive good (the 'Stang doesn't have to, he's got an auto).

You already seem to have the necessary mods to complement headers when you get them.

Im sticking with my statement. Let them run after the header install and see. If the civic wins then I was wrong.

Please explain this "Fight Rice" logo you display. From the mods you've made on your Honda, you are the epitomy of rice. Clear taillights, strobe lights, aftermarket rear veiw mirrors. I always thought doing this type of thing without engine mods was "ricey." Well, at least you don't have a wing.

Originally posted by outsidethebox
Please explain this "Fight Rice" logo you display. From the mods you've made on your Honda, you are the epitomy of rice. Clear taillights, strobe lights, aftermarket rear veiw mirrors. I always thought doing this type of thing without engine mods was "ricey." Well, at least you don't have a wing.

It's a joke. Kind of making fun of myself at the moment. All of my boys know that I am the first one to make fun of myself. I'm not rice, even though others might think so.

The name "Fly Rice Racer" is a pun of sorts. Have you ever seen Lethal Weapon 4 and they are talking to Benny? They make fun of Fried Rice by calling it Fly Lice. Because I have a honda I call it Fly Rice. A mix of both.

As for being ricey........There is a difference from being Rice and being a Show Car. A show car needs all of these things to win. 2 weeks after I got the car, I entered it in NOPI Nationals just to see what it was like. Next year I am aiming to win.

A rice car or rice rocket is a car that is done up with decals displaying mods that it may or may not have. Do you see any stickers on my car?(I've even taken off the "Civic" and "EX" badges, soon the rear and from "H" will be gone too)

I have a Cold Air Intake. I am getting Kamikaze Header and a Tanabe Super Racing Medalion Exhaust. So the performance mods are coming. I don't have the money to just throw together all of these mods at once.

Also, any mod such as a turbo or supercharger will take tons of money because nobody will make a turbo kit for the 7th generation civic. It cost right now about $8,000 for a custom turbo.

I only got the car a damn 3 months ago, so I think I'm doing pretty damn good don't you? On top of that, I am a college student with car payments, rent, and a girlfriend to spend my money on. It doesn't make doing this easy.

I will announce it when my ride is done and ready for critiquing.

Welcome to AF :wave:

fly you go to university of charlston, South Carolina?

Originally posted by hybridsol
fly you go to university of charlston, South Carolina?
Yep, I'm a cougar! Hooooraah!

Our footbal team has been undefeated since 1770!












for those of you who don't know........we don't have a football team......LOL :D

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer

Yep, I'm a cougar! Hooooraah!

Our footbal team has been undefeated since 1770!












for those of you who don't know........we don't have a football team......LOL :D
just asking b/c I have few friends down there been down there a few times Charlston is tight.

Cool, let me know the next time you come down here. I'll keep an eye out for ya when you do.

I've even taken off the "Civic" and "EX" badges, soon the rear and from "H" will be gone too

LOL seems to me you’re disgraced to own a Honda. Any way’s good luck on killing him next time...

Originally posted by btoast


LOL seems to me you’re disgraced to own a Honda. Any way’s good luck on killing him next time...

Ummm.......and who the f*ck are you?

Do you know anything about show cars, symmetry, or style?

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/581918Shavedemblems.jpg

How on earth is this disgracing my Honda? I'm improving on what the Japanese failed to do.

Yeah you don’t have to take off all your badges or have clear tail lights or have m3 mirrors and z3 fenders to win them... Seems to me like you’re a bit of a hypocrite, hating “ricers” yet you fit in perfect with them.

Oh and on a second note I never said you where disgracing your Honda, I said it seems like your disgraced to OWN one because you are taking off every badge that has to do with the name. Oh and by putting all that beamer jewelry (z3 fender & m3 mirrors) on your car makes it seem like you really wanted a beamer.

Oh and this?

I'm improving on what the Japanese failed to do.

They failed to take off all there badges and emblems? Ha, guess you better send a memo out to all the car makers telling them “badges and emblems make there cars less stylish and appealing”.

Oh and style? Having trendy ass clear tail lights is not style.

Um yea.........and the tails are going to be gone anyways. I'm selling them to this girl at the college. Then I'm getting black ones.

I love my honda. I would not have bought one if I didn't love it.

Again and again we go over this idea of RICER with newbies who don't know what the definition of one is. Big difference between show car and rice car.

You obviously know nothing about shows and probably have never been to one. These are all standard items in shows. Soon I will have shaved handles and a custom shaved trunk also.

So now you’re making assumptions on how many posts I have made? Defining me as a newbie because I have life away from the computer and don’t post 100’s of post? And yes I have been to plenty car shows, and have seen plenty of cars win with out the lame trendy tail lights, shaved door handles, shaved door trunk’s, plastic housing for there speaks and lame ass paint schemes with 10lbs of vinyl. As for what is rice, 90% of show cars resemble rice. I’m sure you heard of the saying “All show no go”? Having a car that makes you look fast and furious doesn’t make you fast. If you spent all that money you’re spending to make your car SHOW quality on the engine you would be fast. As for have basic upgrades like I.H.E (Intake, Header, and Exhaust) those don’t make you fast. Sure those mods add some HP but not enough to consider your self fast.

These are all standard items in shows

Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose of the show? Having something unique and different then the other cars? There is no standard in car shows.

So by your definition of a show. If someone wanted to win they should enter in a stock car.

You need to learn about 7th generation civics. Because of the engine in them they are very tough to make turbo and superchargers for.

I just got news that next winter Rev Hard will release its turbo kit that will produce 205 hp to the wheels. That's probably 8 lbs. of boost.

I love how you see that I have Z3 fenders on my list of mods but happen to overlook the exhaust and header system.

A venom nitrous kit is also what I'm looking at getting.

I don't have a sponsor and billions of dollars to pump into this operation. I am trying to do show and go at the same time.

If I wanted all GO for my car I would have kept the Trans Am that I used to have. I like what Honda brings to the table and I like the challenge of upgrading it.

while the noob is tactless and belligerent, i think he has a somewhat valid point. not about being ashamed of owning a honda, but about the mods. Altezzas, no matter what color, are played out. Why try to be different by doing what everybody else does?

I hate the stock tails. Euro is my only way right now. Yes, I realize that everyone has them.

The black ones will look a ton better. SHort of tail conversion there really is no other option.

Maybe JDM? What would ya'll think of those?

i dont wanna tell you how to do your ride, just my opinion. i do think the black ones will look better. I havent seen the JDM ones what do they look like?

As for over looking, you over looked the comment I made on I.H.E. As for turbos, ever heard of do it you’re self? Why wait for some stupid over priced kit to come out? There’s a thing called an engine swap as well as many internal engine parts to be replaced and plenty of room for boring and you might want to think of putting some iron sleeves in so you don’t crack your block from detonation when you throw your all mighty nitrous kit in (depending on the shot your going to throw at it).

My definition of a show car is not a stock car, no where did I even state my definition of a show car, so I don’t know where you pulling that comment from.

Anyways good luck on building your show/race car hope it all works out for you.

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer
I hate the stock tails. Euro is my only way right now. Yes, I realize that everyone has them.

The black ones will look a ton better. SHort of tail conversion there really is no other option.

Maybe JDM? What would ya'll think of those?

JDM is always a good option. I on the other hand, am professed to having a set of GenIII Altezzas on my car myself, though I hate them. It was on the car when I bought it. What I did was I purchased a can of taillight paint(yes, they have those) in red, and painted the taillights. I get a lot of compliments for it, since it is a unique all-red(for Honda) taillight with round lights when lit up. Don't put too many coats on though, because it'll make your brake-lights too hard to see during the day.

Custom turbos are more expensive than kits. Yuo must know nothing about the D17 engine. To get a custom one done costs $8,000 when it's all said and done. The Rev Hard turbo kit will cost $3500.

I would love to do a K20a swap but that costs $10,000 and you are put on a waiting list.

I don't have that kind of money. I am a college student who is studying to be a teacher so I probably will never have enough money to afford one.

A venom nitrous system is setup so that one can't blow their engine. I'm only planning on doing a 50 or 75 shot at most.

Custom is usually done by your self, having some one else doing it is just like getting a kit... But if you don’t have the tools and a shop to do that I can see the point in waiting and getting the kit. 10 grand for an engine swap is insane, don’t know where you got priced for that but they sure are bending you over... I would pay 5 grand at most for that swap.

Oh and any nitrous system can back fire and cause a pretty neat engine fire, killing your engine and pretty much the whole front end of your car sure its rare but it does happen.

Anything not premanufactured is considered custom in my mind.

I get all of my info from 7th Generation Civic (http://www.7thgencivic.com). These guys have done the swaps and turbo's on their cars.

7th gens are different from any other civic made yet. It's kinda like the black sheep of civics.

I basically know jack squat about how to build and install a turbo. I really want a supercharger.

The 10 grand includes installation and making the K20a fit the engine bay. It's a hard item to get because it's so new.

Why does everybody have to diss on everybody else's car? Fly's car looks great. What's the problem?!? If it's what he likes you should condone that, not try to ruin it. You can call anything rice. If 90% of show cars "resemble" rice, then what isn't rice?!? Get over yourself. Everybody has different taste.
And not everybody's got thousands of dollars to throw away on their car. He's going through college. Do you really think he can afford a turbo? Especially a turbo for a 7gen Civic, which, as Fly said, is almost unheard of. Not all of us can afford engine swaps, turbos, etc. Just because he hasn't spent 20K on his car doesn't mean it's a piece of shit. What if he's not done? He just got the car a few months ago. These things take time, especially for people who have what most of us like to call a budget. See, lots of us have houses, car payments, apartments, bills, insurance, etc. to pay. They cannot devote their entire time, patience, and money to their cars. They do what they can when they can. People have got to respect that.
Damn, just because the car doesn't look and run like something out of the magazines and movies doesn't give you the right to go off and talk shit about it.

You've been pretty quick on trying your hardest to insult just about everything Flys got, btoast. What's your ride?

no offense...im sure u must be a pretty good driver, but i dunno about your friend with the mustang...my friends mustang totally killed our friends 2002 Civic EX with I/H/E...my friends mustang just had intake and exhaust and is an auto...and the civic was a manuel....lets just put it this way...he had like 4 cars on the civic by 70mph...guess your friend needs to work on his launches.

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer
Anything not premanufactured is considered custom in my mind.

I get all of my info from 7th Generation Civic (http://www.7thgencivic.com). These guys have done the swaps and turbo's on their cars.

7th gens are different from any other civic made yet. It's kinda like the black sheep of civics.

I basically know jack squat about how to build and install a turbo. I really want a supercharger.

The 10 grand includes installation and making the K20a fit the engine bay. It's a hard item to get because it's so new.
ok first of all K20- swap will not cost you 10 grand...maybe when it first came out (maybe) I know Iv'e done a k20c swap (but I understand that internet info can be misleading, who knows they probably did pay that not knowing what to do off the bat.). Also there are many different types of tubro / component changeables: hybrids, rebuilds, ballbearing, 300-360 thrust bearing ect. Yes custom Turbo's are expensive, And new V6 mustangs and 02 civic's match up. Perhaps he was a better driver, maybe it had something to do with weight or the manual against the auto. All of these things factor in. I'm shure fly didint post this thread to take a bashing, lets congadulate him not accuse him of being a liar and bash his car b/c its not your style. Cmon ppl Its not like he's bragging about a win, just proud of what his car is capable of. I was impressed.

My friend does not race his car at all. The only person he ever runs against is me. So he probably doesn't have that quick "brake to gas" foot yet.

Manuals can launch faster than automatics anyways.

Damn, I wish I knew as much about engines as you do hybridsol...you car kicks......i remember reading about the race with the Hemi.

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer
My friend does not race his car at all. The only person he ever runs against is me. So he probably doesn't have that quick "brake to gas" foot yet.

Manuals can launch faster than automatics anyways.

Damn, I wish I knew as much about engines as you do hybridsol...you car kicks......i remember reading about the race with the Hemi.
thanks man:) I have agreat deal of respect for you as well not many ppl can utilize 7thgen due to the lack of knowledge/aftermarket equipment for it. Look at it this way when you look back and ppl are still trying to understand the 7thgen you can call yourself a pioneer, lol. Like I said before bring us back a kill story next time. :D

Originally posted by hybridsol
Like I said before bring us back a kill story next time. :D

You got it man.;)

I guess I turned this thread sour by asking about your fight rice banner. My apologies. Didn't mean to unleash the hounds on you. Your Honda is considerably nicer than anything I own. And your obviously a class act for all the crap you've taken and still kept your cool. Best wishes and hope you enjoy your car. Regards, Ron

Originally posted by outsidethebox
I guess I turned this thread sour by asking about your fight rice banner. My apologies. Didn't mean to unleash the hounds on you. Your Honda is considerably nicer than anything I own. And your obviously a class act for all the crap you've taken and still kept your cool. Best wishes and hope you enjoy your car. Regards, Ron

Thanks man. No harm done. We are cool. About the banner. Everyone calls my car rice, so I joke about it with my friends. If you can't laugh at your car, what can you laugh at?

other peoples cars

LOL

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer
Manuals can launch faster than automatics anyways.


I have to disagree with ya buddy.

A torque converter will do a better job than your left foot ever will with a clutch. Its more consistant and reliable. Manual on the other hand maybe funner for driving sake, and for road racing.. but Autos are best for Drag Racing hands down.

As for getting an auto to lunch like a manual that just takes a higher rpm torque converter. You may think "We'll that takes money to make it better..." True it does, but it takes money to upgrade a clutch to handle high powered motors as well.

Anywho... enough babbling. :p

Originally posted by RedNeck383

blah blah auto king blah

correct, but on a built auto, otherwise on MOST cars a manual will serve better, just simply because you can choose when it shifts.

I was thinking on more of a timing scale of manuals vs. autos.

Auto setup. Have to pull your foot off the break and place it on the gas.

Manual setup. Have you put foot on gas rev engine high and just drop the clutch.

I would think dropping the clutch would be faster than lifting your foot up to place it on another pedal.

oh well. I still wouldn't trade my manual in for an auto.

oh yea, I drove a manual and decided never to go back. I love drivin' it.
ok, I think fly meant, generally speaking... A car pulls up next to you on the red, wants to race. He's got an automatic. You've got a manual. Odds are that your manual will lauch faster. Especially with front wheel drive.

99+ v6 mustangs are either 190 or 193 horsepower
GT mustangs are 260 horsepower
99 and 2001 Cobras are 320 horsepower
2003 Cobras are 390 horsepower
Mach I mustangs are 300 horsepower
Bullitt Mustangs are 270 horsepower

Remember, the v6's have 225 lbs of torque, any v8's have a minumum of 300 lbs of turque. Beating a mustang is no easy thing. Well, after 1999, that is.... ;)

I had a 2000 v6 5speed mustang until a month ago, and I LOVE my 2002 Civic Coupe

Fly, on an auto, you can hold the brake down and rev the gas, and merely release the brake pedal. Two footing, while usually bad for the transmission, is often done when drag racing an automatic. Heel-toeing is what i use for my manual.

Originally posted by 2002Drew
Fly, on an auto, you can hold the brake down and rev the gas, and merely release the brake pedal. Two footing, while usually bad for the transmission, is often done when drag racing an automatic. Heel-toeing is what i use for my manual.

I don't know why you are telling me this. I have a MANUAL 2002 Civic EX.

My friend has the AUTOMATIC 2000 Mustang V6.

I know how to race, he doesn't race at all, except for when he runs against me.

I just installed my Revo Short Shifter and Kumosport Bushings. I can own him I know I can.

We just haven't gotten a chance to race again.