1G engine into 2G body. How Much?

How much will it cost me for a 1G engine with or w/out a tranny? How much to put it into the car? I know i need a new ECU, but what are the other things i am not aware of? HELP!!!!!!!!!!:confused:

I've done the swap, it's not terribly difficult, but cost depends on how much you can do yourself, if you know people, etc.

When I did mine, I bought used parts off of sites like www.dsmtrader.com, you will need a long block which can run you around 1500 depending on where you buy from, check www.roadraceengineering.com for a list off some JDM 1G engine importers. If you opt for the cheaper route, buying the engine in parts and assembling it yourself, go for it, I bought a short block with front cover and timing accessories, head, transfered my valve train and cams and valve cover from my 2G, you need a new water pipe and thermostat housing along with a new intake manifold, throttle body, coil pack, and power transistor, youll need head bolts and a flywheel, and a water pump, other than that most stuff transfers, like you whole exhaust system, motor mounts, and tranny. Lastly, you do not need a new ECU, check www.magnusmotorsports.com, for how to do the swap. Also if you are serious, I would recommend joing the 1Gina2G email group at yahoo.

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I've done the swap, it's not terribly difficult, but cost depends on how much you can do yourself, if you know people, etc.

When I did mine, I bought used parts off of sites like www.dsmtrader.com, you will need a long block which can run you around 1500 depending on where you buy from, check www.roadraceengineering.com for a list off some JDM 1G engine importers. If you opt for the cheaper route, buying the engine in parts and assembling it yourself, go for it, I bought a short block with front cover and timing accessories, head, transfered my valve train and cams and valve cover from my 2G, you need a new water pipe and thermostat housing along with a new intake manifold, throttle body, coil pack, and power transistor, youll need head bolts and a flywheel, and a water pump, other than that most stuff transfers, like you whole exhaust system, motor mounts, and tranny. Lastly, you do not need a new ECU,

Listen to this guy he know exactly what you need for your swap but to get the basic parts need you could order a Engine Kit with the basic like intake manifold with a transmission, Distributor, and Alternator included with the swap. Prices with shipping range from 1 grand to 2 grand if you want the turbocharged 4G63. You can find it all at http://www.totaljdm.com/?id=40320 but remember that you need to plan your budget and add whatever I didn't mention from Aves911's list.

i got my motor for $600 complete, running when i went to pick it up! i could have dropped it into the engine bay with a little work on the drivers side motor mount (you will need to refabricate it, grind a little off) and thats it! everything else bolts up fine you just need to do the Baro wire mod or get DSMlink to take care of the Random misfires (RM) and the Check engine light (CEL). the only other thing that you have to do is rewire the cam angle sensor from the 6 bolt into the wires for the crank angle sensor and the cam angle sensor from the 7 bolt.


now if your planning on just upgrading the block, you can use all of your other parts from the 2nd gen engine you will just need to bore out the holes for the head bolts cause on a 6 bolt it uses bigger head studs! but if your goin for power and you want to see an improvement then get all 1g parts, like head, intake manifold, etc... much more flow and you will see some inprovements, i mean look at this pic... the gasket is from a 1st gen 6 bolt intake manifold and the head is from a 2nd gen 7 bolt motor. which one would you rather have? the ports on a 1g are so huge!!!


http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/1028951g_head_gasket.JPG

ok,i also did this 3-4 weeks ago.it coasted me around 1000 bucks...
short block(6 bolt 91gsx)-330$(170 for shipping lol)
1G CAS(cam angle sensor)-25$
1G water pump-65$(discount autoparts)
2G PS pump-u should have
2G A/C
2G tranny
2g ECU
1G 6 bolt lightweight ACT flywheel-230$
1G oil filter bolt on plate marked with the letter "I"(your stock one comes marked "K" and it will not bolt on to your 1G front cover)-110$
2G water neck and water pipe(thats what i'm useing)
1G tensioner pulley
2G intake manifold
2G exsaust manifold
labor 250$-used my friends garege and help for a week.
once u got the short block u can start swapin.heres what i would be consern about:
mottor mount has to be cut-not a biggie but uncomfortable-be carefull.next thing is the metal plate that bolts on to your front cover(the one that u attach the oil cooler onto and the oil filter).the one that comes with 2G is not goin to bolt on cuz the bolt holes dont mach.they are also marked with letters.2G cars (95 for sure) comes marked "K" and the one that u 'll nedd has the letter "I".changing this plate will cost u an extra 10 bucks for a new gasket too(between the plate and oil cooler.another thing if u use the 2G water neck and pipe is that u'll come short with one of the water lines for cooling the turbo.the original lower one is located on the 2G short block,unfortenatly not existing in 1G block.all u have to do is go to HOME DEPOT ,go to plumbing section and get a brass "T" fitting in 3/8" size(i hope u know what i'm talking about). than all u have to do is cut the upper oil cooler water supply line,connect it with the "T" fitting,and thats it.then u'll have an extra
water outlet which u'll need to extand all the way to the turbo with a high temp hose or whatever...
another thing nobady warn me was the head bolts.
maaan,guess how i felt when i started tightening the head.the first 3,4 went in ok tight up and everything,but then the rest of them just started "popping",never ending screwing...dude i almost have a heart attack...however then a figured that the original 2G bolts are smaller size.what i did next for some people might be stupid but i went to the junk yard ,find a hyundai 1.8 16valve and get the bolts.dont know the model of the hyundai but the head looks the same like the 4g63 one-only is 1.8l. i've red a few treads where peeps say that u need to bore out the holes for the studs-sorry but me personaly don't see why is that nessesery.i put the used hyundai studs and forget about it.next was the CAS but thats nothing also.
overhall figure out your turbo oiling and cooling.thats the main places u could get stuck.good luck and let us know

p.s. dont rush for the baro signal mod also.i didn't needed it

well with the 2g head you shouldnt need to do the baro wire mod... but whats the sence in doin the 6 bolt block swap if your not goin to swap the head too? not saying thats its worthless but why go thru the hassel of some othe stuff like the hundi bolts... when you could have just put a 1g head on there and notice some better power!

There is no distributor on a DSM. Ever. ;)

You cant put a 1g tranny in a 2g car.

I beleive you do still need thebaro wire mod with the 2g head, since the 1g block shouldnt have provisions to mount the crank angle sensor the 2g ECU uses, requiring the use of a 1g CAS.

My whole swap cost about 1500, including a motor hoist and several other tools and upgrades I did at the same time. Took 2 days, and then a couple more to track down a problem I had (cant use a 2g manifold on a 1g head, so dont try ;) ). The RM misfire problem sucks, and the baro wire mod is risky if you plan to make over 400 HP or so, IMO. But works fine all the way up to 16g if you tune it properly (AFC or similar is required).

95 GSXracer []
There is no distributor on a DSM. Ever.

wrong. the eclipses with 1.8 engines have a distributor

Sorry, never considered the 1.8NTs "DSM" ;) No offense intended.

true.i could go for the 1G head swap too,but like Kevin sad there comes a problem with the intake and RM.this than requires AFC or DSMlink,which than goes to upgrading ingectors and fuel pump.data logger.
all these cost money , about 1500$( do it myself)and i already spend 4000$ since i got the car(had a bad short block-CW),so what im tryin to say is money is on the low.but soon.that would be my next step in a few months.so far my car is fine but,feels like is a little retard...i was thinking about timming management could help in my case for sure.there is just something like stopping the car.it still spools up fast and staff but kind a slow...
however 95 gs-t dont mean to have EPROM for sure,at least not mine(like Kevin suggested few weeks ago),so i woun't bother looking for one and getting DSMlink.i was so sure that i'll go with it until i find out i dont have EPROM. so now i was lookin that ECU+ package .i dont plan to go over 340-360 hp so i thing it would work out fine.also planing to get the 2GB16G .that would rock ...

Just remember the ECU+ deal is just an AFC basically. No help for RM CELs, anc the countless other features it lacks compared to DSMlink. Dont want anyone to get the wrong idea :)

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http://www.magnusmotorsports.com/1g2g.asp