Sti Vs. plain WRX

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On a 16k budget youre not getting one of the 2.5l WRX's, you're getting an older 2.0l WRX.

And to answer your questions.

1. Do some research.

2. Do some research.

3. Do some research.

O and btw check these out im pretty sure im able to get a wrx for 16,000:

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_45_%7CB-16000%7CD-_408_%7CN-N%7CR-30%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-01754&aff=national&paId=228054724&recnum=7&leadExists=true

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_45_%7CB-16000%7CD-_408_%7CN-N%7CR-30%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-01754&aff=national&paId=230084650&recnum=0&leadExists=true

maybe before you give someone advice you should do some research yourself.

Thank you :iceslolan

No, YOU still need to do the research.

Those are pre-'06 WRX's which don't have the 2.5l turbo engine.
Not only that, the '05 already had mods performed which significantly devalues the vehicle.

So, all you've proven to me is that you have no idea which generations of WRX have which engine. You won't be able to spend 16k and get a WRX with a 2.5l turbo engine.
You will be able to get one with the 2.0l engine in one of the following states:
- pre'03
-modded '05
-wrecked and rebuilt
-high mileage

To reitterate my previous statement:

On a 16k budget youre not getting one of the 2.5l WRX's, you're getting an older 2.0l WRX.

Which ironically, you proved in those links you posted, so next time, when you're trying to disprove somebody, don't post links which prove them right.:loser:

Ok I am going to be getting a new car but I am on a 16,000 dollar budget and just had a few questions pertaining to the WRX and the STI model:

1. I know that the STi comes with more HP stock but both come with the 2.5 Liter Boxer engine so in turn couldnt u make it as powerful as a STI or is this a stupid question?

2. Besides the power what is another difference between the WRX and the WRX STI?

3. Like I said i need to get a new car and I obv cant afford a used STI on 16,000 but I am able to get a used WRX for this would it be worth it?

Thanks much appreciated.
For one, you don't need a WRX and two, you should feel like a silly jackass for telling the moderator to do some research. At 16, you're not ready for a turbo car. If you really wanted to spoil yourself, get a 2.5 RS coupe and use the extra money for worthy mods, like improving handling and maybe some tranny stuff and you'll have a (for a 16 year old anyway) quick, fun to drive car that looks good with not as murderous insurance rates.



But just in case you don't listen to me:

1. 2.5 is only equipped on the STi, which you will never be able to set foot in until you're like 30 or if daddy buys it for you. It wasn't built for a 16 year old to drive. Regular WRX gets a 2.0 liter and yes, you could potentially make it as powerful as an STi.

2. STi gets better brakes, gets ground effects, a big ass wing, few interior mods, differential control, other things. Compare the two and you'll see, i.e., do some research.

3. You could easily get an 02-03 WRX wagon in decent condition for that price. Mileage can vary. Subaru in general is a car that is (if you have to) worth dumping money into cuz they will last for quite a long time.

To sum up, don't buy a turbo car, let alone a WRX. And if you do, please don't wreck it and buy one that is unmodded cuz those are most likely taken care of cars.

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1. 2.5 is only equipped on the STi, which you will never be able to set foot in until you're like 30 or if daddy buys it for you. It wasn't built for a 16 year old to drive. Regular WRX gets a 2.0 liter and yes, you could potentially make it as powerful as an STi.


The 2.5l engine is also in the '06 onwards WRX. :smooch:

oh don't worry about it i definitely feel like a jackass you are right.

Thank you you guys for the help.

I unlike most, teenagers of my generation, can admit they were wrong. And thanks for the advice and I will be looking into the 2.5RS coupe

I am 17 turning 18 this summer. Not that it matters but I figured I would throw it out there.
Sorry man. I dunno why I thought your age was 16. Probably because of your budget, but still, you're very young and its better to learn how to drive a Subaru car first before stepping into a WRX. Subaru manual trannies aren't exactly like other manual trannies plus they are already weak as it is, especially in a WRX, so perfect your shifting techniques. An Impreza TS wagon or RS coupe is a good starting point.

The 2.5l engine is also in the '06 onwards WRX. :smooch:
Good to learn something new everyday.:wink:

Subaru manual trannies aren't exactly like other manual trannies plus they are already weak as it is, especially in a WRX, so perfect your shifting techniques.

If you're going to keep coming into this section spreading misinformation, I would sooner see you not post :disappoin

WRX trannies are not weak, fragile or 'glass', if you drive the car as intended they are extremely forgiving and reliable - the issue is people that don't understand how to drive AWD's in manual configuration and so destroy the poor transmission.

Yeah, I second that. My car is hitting 5 years old and I've never had a problem with the transmission. *touch wood*. I have done some 4, 5K rpm launches - so it's not like I drive it like a grandma but I haven't done anything like that for years now. Treat the gearbox well and it will serve you in kind.

Having said that, the older 5 speeds are pretty bad gearboxes and take a bit of insider knowledge on how to work out the kinks.

And to the initial poster, I don't think at 18 you'll have a problem with a WRX if you have a decent head on your shoulders. They're not the beasts everyone would have you believe. However, you should definitely up your driving skills beforehand (I's say approx 300 hrs driving experience at least in all conditions).

But if you want some advice from my experience, get a shitbox, learn to drive, save up more and get the best STi you can get your hands on if you're really into performance. The WRX really doesn't compare - the media and marketing would just have you believe otherwise.

I would save up to but I'm going away to college soon and wanted something fun that is good on gas, that is fun to drive, and can be modded without just being a waste of money to do so.

This being said is the 2.5 RS or even the 2.5I still good choices?

No.

Get a Honda Civic or a Toyota Corolla. And no, I am being totally serious.

Little cars "feel" fast. Hence, they are fun to drive. This is why many people with Civics etc think they are king of the road.

They also get great gas mileage.

Test drive a 2.5RS and then do the same with a civic. The civic will be more fun.

RAY, i dont mean to sound ignorant here but you say people dont understand how to drive AWD in a manual. I never knew there was a certain way. If you dont mind what is the "right" way to drive an AWD.

Thanks

There's nothing ignorant about asking if you don't know.

AWD's don't allow tires to slip when you overload the transmission by launching hard, this means all the stress goes into the transmission - when you overstress something like this which doesn't have a means to dissipate the energy through tires spinning or similar, this energy displaces to other areas.

Hard first gear launches will sooner than later destroy an AWD transmission whereas using a roll from first and pulling hard through second and first will be gentler on the transmission and net you better acceleration when your engine is up to revs.

oh ok basic common sence...but then again alot of people think they last for ever so beat the hell out of them and then they wonder why their car doesnt run right....oh well..

THANKS

I live in MI , we get a bit of snow. I drove an 88 buick park ave, and my buddy has a 99 eclipse. Both FWD they do fine. RWD can be a pain in the snow, but youll be good with FWD. Keep some decent tires on it tho.

astro vans...awd...heavy...not fast...lol i just had to say it

I want a Subie for the same reason we have snow on the ground here for about 7 months of the year. But remember awd doesn't help you stop, and has only marginal effect on your snow handling. But after driving both a 06 Impreza and my own Focus I have to say i thought the Subie was allot more fun (also had 173 hp vs my 130) but it felt more eager in the corners, and more stable. So in short i'm not to terribly sure if the Civic would be more fun, i quite enjoyed the Subie.

My WRX is great in the snow. The only problem that I had with it last winter, is it tends to "float" over the snow. I think that the tires must be too wide for the weight of the car. This isn't an issue as long as you are hitting the gas or going over 30 mph in deep snow.

hehe as to ROB sayn ppl who drive small cars feel like they are the king of the road..... thats soooo true.....my nissan micra is a true beast................. also iv been researchin the difference between the sti my04 n myo5 (btw im in australia) and the only differenc i could find was something about a locking diff differencial (sorry if thats incorrect, not too sure) is their any other differenc besides older n lesser price...... and im not too sure but i thort the bigger the litrs the better/powerful the vehicle, ??

If you wanna accelerate fast while not racing anyone you can double-clutch to preserve the tranny.
The only other AWD car in your price range is a Jaguar X-type. Uses a 2.5L V6@180+ hp & torque (forgot exactly).
I read the manual versions are pretty reliable..though you can't tell in long run yet. Requires premium fuel like the WRX.

For 16 grand your best bet is to find an 06 fully loaded 5-speed 9-2x with HID and cold w/ low mileage.
The one I got I talked down to $14600 out the door exculing trade-in. So you can look for $18000 and talk them down if you are smart and know how to talk AND be very very patient.

Good no one disagrees :runaround: :attention

dude, if you want to really do mods to your car get the wrx, but they arnt cheap to mod just so you know.

If you want super reliable and somewhat cheap to upgrade get the 2.5rs.

As for the people that say a wrx is not for a young driver they are stupid and ignorant, wrx's can make a grandma drive like a pro. they are probably some of the easiest cars to drive. i have friends with 2.5rs's, (old and new), i also have friends that have wrx's. i've drove all of of them including an 07' sti owned by one of the kids dads, you really cant mess up in anyway.

I drive a 92 240sx with a sr20det and around 300hp, that is a bad car for a beginner, not a wrx. i also drive a 90 legacy wagon (250,000 miles and still going strong!!) as a daily driver and in the winter. i love my little subie, it just wont break!

Seriously anybody can drive a wrx, its not harder than any other car (just have to get used to alittle understeer) and they are great in the snow... (important when you live in a place that gets alot of snow like i do. and if it is your daily driver then very nice)

That being said i would buy a 2.5rs and use the money you save to do some mods you want... try and make it stand out from all the other ones... anyways thats my opinion, but do what you feel, drive them, drive some other cars, and i dont recommend a civic or corolla, they are only good for girls and people who dont care what they drive. for 16g's you can get alot more fun! check out a scion tc if you want a fwd coupe, have fun and good luck! (p.s. do the world a favor and dont put another blue wrx with gold rims on the road, PLEASE!!)

i would also highly recommend looking at some audi a4's get a 1.8t with quattro and will will not be dissapointed, about the same performance as the subarus, if you treat them right they are reliable, and the interior is 100x nicer than any impreza, leather, heated seats,exterior looks just as good if not better, my sister has one and loves it, it would be worth a look for sure, and dont even think about the jag someone was talking about, it uses a ford countour chassis for god sakes...

Thread is getting a little old...

To the person who says WRXs are not dangerous has never driven one in the snow. They give you the urge to go WAY too fast on the ice. My car has seen 115 mph on packed snow on a wide deserted highway. WOT from 60- 105. Very strange feeling. I won't ever do it again. Let's see you drift your 300 hp 240 in the snow without spinning:)

hahaha, i knew i would get a response like this, first off, ill drift with you in the snow all damn day and night in my legacy, (i do up at the slopes all day anyways) and to whom ever decides to say legacys cant be fast, do some fact checking first, they can run with the wrx just as well, but you pay less insurance and you dont get dumb fucks asking you stupid questions about your car, you just see very dissapointed drivers at green lights, and a smile on my face.

oh and by the way lets see your wrx drift when its complety dry. you can do it but shit will brake, and it will be expensive...
so lets get it straight, i love subaru's. but the wrx is just to boring and easy to drive, its like a video game, anybody who really loves to drive, and i mean really loves to drive,wants rear wheel drive, however they are impractical in snow/rain... so get an affordable version of both. not a flashy version of one.

also i know this post is old i just wanted to show my buddy that wrx drivers think they have the best car ever,and are gods behind the wheel, i won $5 thanks... and by the way evo's are the first, and will always be the best... peace yo.

Wow, you need to give your friend his $5 back. I never claimed to be a good driver and I don't think my car is that fast either. You are obviously just a troll. BTW who said legacys can't be fast? Legacy gt has very similar performance numbers to the WRX. But you need to check your numbers on the insurance first. I got the same a quote of $1669 on an '06 LGT and $1732 on an STI. My WRX is only $1460. BTW every car has ego driven fans, but evo and 240 owners are just about the worst.

also i know this post is old i just wanted to show my buddy that wrx drivers think they have the best car ever,and are gods behind the wheel, i won $5 thanks... and by the way evo's are the first, and will always be the best... peace yo.

Give your friend his $5 back, and then give him another $5 as a fine from everyone on AF for your being an ignorant troll.

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2. STi gets better brakes, gets ground effects, a big ass wing, few interior mods, differential control, other things. Compare the two and you'll see, i.e., do some research.
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about upgrades....don't forget the bullet proof, $6000, Sti 6-speed, the lightweight BBS wheels (at only $300- 400 ea), and nicely upgraded suspension package! the Sti has a bigger turbo too doesn't it? (could be wrong there)

basically it would cost you probably around $10-12k to clone the reg. WRX to a stock Sti...the WRX sells for around $25k, and the Sti for around $33k...so you're saving a little money in mods, and a lot in labor (if you were to have someone install everything).

so if you're trying to make a WRX into an Sti, you're actually saving money by just buying an Sti. its like turning a 3000GT SL into a twin turbo VR4 clone. a lot of expenses to make essentially the same car. if you have the money, sure go for it, but if not it's a much wiser purchase to buy the factory upgraded version.

i used to have an 02 WRX, and i do agree with these guys though that you should start off with a moderately fast car before you go to the STi. the regular WRX is a pretty easy car to learn on, and as someone in here said not the beast that its rumored to be. it takes a lot of work to make those things faster than a high 13 second car...which isn't that fast, but plenty fast enough to feel like it is. The 2.5 RS is fairly quick for a NA 4-cylinder, so you could go that route too. they have the awd too, so they handle exactly the same as the WRX. another option would be to buy a 2.5 RS and convert it to a turbo (WRX). it would be costly, but you will have the 2.5L and a turbo.

the Sti runs the quarter mile in approx. a second faster (high 12's, low 13's), which essentially is like 10 car lengths on the track, and like a stock 03-04 Mustang Cobra. you don't need to start off with that much power before you know how to drive...if nothing else, it'll get you in trouble fast w/ the law.

As far as reliability, subarus are tough cars, they last forever and generally require little maintenance. so on that end i would recommend just about any suby.

about the transmission...i had my WRX for over a year and never had any problems w/ the tranny. i wasn't the kindest to the car either...however i talked to multiple WRX drivers and also Cobb tuning and they told me that the tranny holds just fine til you get up past 300 crank horsepower, then you need to either swap out the 5-speed gears w/ the sti 5-speed gears, or if you have the money go w/ the sti 6-speed.

anyway, those are my thoughts on it....the WRX is a fun car, so i would highly recommend it...if you're 16, get the 2.5 RS, but if you've had a car or two to practice on before this, you most likely won't have a problem w/ a WRX. its a good midrange sports sedan.

if you want a really nice turbo car, that won't be mistaken for a "tuner" get a 00-02 audi S4. you can find those for under 16k, and that's twin turbo. 250 hp stock and a much nicer car on the interior than the WRX's. both have ECU reflashes that cost around $600....the Cobb Accessport for the WRX gives you 33 hp and 43 lb/ft trq. on the other hand, the APR for the S4 gives you 68 hp and almost 122 lb/ft trq.

i've own an S4 now and owned an 02 WRX...i like my S4 a lot better...its like having a more powerful WRX but w/ climate control, heated seats, digital dash, HID lights, and more room for passengers and in the trunk. The S4's are a little harder to find.