Prevent hijacking?

Lets hear some ideas on what everyone thinks could be done to prevent hijacking?

I say post 4 armed gaurds. Yeah, it might be a little much, but just think. If there were 4 armed guards on these planes, would these pussies have had a chance?....No

Panic (SOS, mayday) buttons all over the plane.
Computer control that can override pilots.
Remote control for air traffic controllers that can override pilots.
Pilot's deadman switch. (less feasable)

I think two Sky Marshalls per plane is appropriate.

It won't happen though.

And you know why? Money. The airlines won't pay out money to employ armed guards or whatever for what is a very rare event. I mean, prior to this week, how many hijackings had their been in the US?

That is the sad thing - money is now more important than peoples lives.

Look at it this way - people fall ill or have heart attacks etc on a fairly regular basis whilst on aircraft, yet the airlines won't ensure there is a trained doctor onboard, and in many cases, that there is even any more than a basic first aid kit.

So, if they won't spend money to help on something that happens regularly, then they sure as hell won't spend it on preventing something that happens once in a blue moon.

Sad but true :(

EVERYONE has to pass though a metel detector before getting on board. No personal bags etc allowed in side the cabin with them unless it is x-rayed or checked by guards.

Originally posted by Silver S2000
...Computer control that can override pilots.
Remote control for air traffic controllers that can override pilots....


These were kinda my thoughts too.. along with the metal detectors and Security checks (which should be getting done now but arent.)

How does a Hijack occurr? when the control of the plane is taken by unauthorized people. So don't let the unauthorized people get to the controls.
How?
Well, isolated the pilots cabin from the pasenger cabin. Put a thick wall between the 2 cabins. A separated external door for pilots. No bypass from cabins.
Put all the pilots need on their cabin (bathroom, food, etc.) so, at least one of the pilots is on the complot, hijacking will not be easy.
And then all the ground security measures, metal detectors, etc.

That will be my solution.

I agree with what Anthony said. On CNN, I believe it was United Airlines said and I quote "If we enact these extra security measures, we will lose 20% of our ridership."

So in essence, they are more concerned with losing money, then people's lives. I believe in Europe, they have the most extensive security at the Airports. Yet this country won't spend the dough. Go figure.

So when will money not play a factor in your safety?

they are taking extreme security measures from here on out. You won't even be able to carry any sharp objects. There should be some kind of armed security personnel on board.:rocket: :flamer: :cyclops: :eshooter: :ylsuper

I did hear on the news today, that they are talking about putting U.S. Marshalls on selected flights. I am sure it is only temporary, but tI think it is a good idea.


I am looking for another confirmation of this.

You can stab someone in the heart with a pen, so I feel you need two guard in the front of the plane, infront of a bulletproof, sealed door for the flight cabin. The guards need guns and vests, that way it will eliminate all terrorism except for bombings.

Oh, the guards must be paid well and be trustworthy, and NO ONE can have access to the flight cabin.

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Also, the problem with heavily protecting the cockpit, is what if they do crash? They would be harder to get to, to be rescued.

Originally posted by RCer

Well, isolated the pilots cabin from the pasenger cabin. Put a thick wall between the 2 cabins. A separated external door for pilots. No bypass from cabins.
Put all the pilots need on their cabin (bathroom, food, etc.) so, at least one of the pilots is on the complot, hijacking will not be easy.
And then all the ground security measures, metal detectors, etc.

That will be my solution.


Best idea yet:D :D

Well, isolated the pilots cabin from the pasenger cabin. Put a thick wall between the 2 cabins. A separated external door for pilots. No bypass from cabins.


That would work for new planes, but we need my earlier idea (or something like it) for the old planes.

Trouble with computer control over ride is that the hijacker has more then likely got a gun at the captains head and will kill him if they take over the plane or blow it up.
Be a horrible choice to make from the control tower.

The answer to an isolated cockpit is to have a separate outside door.

Isn't that what he said?

Oh, yeah. Duh. :bloated: I read wrong. :bloated: :bloated: :bloated:

Heh...happens a lot, doesn't it?? :D:D

Originally posted by Heep
Heh...happens a lot, doesn't it?? :D:D Lately, yes.

Having the cabin sealed off is all well and good, but it is far from a perfect solution.

For example - what happens if the flight crew fall ill? You are gonna end up with a plane flying by itself with no way of getting to the crew to help them.

Also, although this solution would stop the terrorists taking control of the plane directly, it won't stop the majority of hijackings. You see, all the terrorists have to do is start stabbing flight attendants and passengers, and then the pilot is going to have to fly the plane to where the terrorists want. If the pilot doesn't, then well, he is going to be flying a giant tomb with an awful lot of dead people on board.

So whilst the "sealed off cabin" would have prevented the events of Tuesday, they aren't much use for the majority of terrorist situations :(

Anyway, the cockpit is already sealed off to the main cabin - you can only open the door from the cockpit side I believe.

In Isreal, for the airline El Al, the cabin is sealed off. That means if they started to stab the crew and passengers, you would in essence be flying a giant coffin. While that may solve the problem of someone taking control of the aircraft, it won't solve the problem if they have a bomb.

Originally posted by primera man
Trouble with computer control over ride is that the hijacker has more then likely got a gun at the captains head and will kill him if they take over the plane or blow it up.
Be a horrible choice to make from the control tower.

Thats true... But the other thing I just thought of is the Terrorist can just hack the frequency and take control of the plane without even being on it.. OK... Thats not a good idea afterall.

i think they should have armed guards on the plane that are unmarked, just in regular clothing... the terrorists won't know what hit'em :D

Originally posted by gang$tarr
i think they should have armed guards on the plane that are unmarked, just in regular clothing... the terrorists won't know what hit'em :D

I'm not sure if that will work.

You have seem all the movies with that situation, and not always everything turn out well. Don't hit me, I know, it's Holliwood, but then again, there is always a posibility that those arms fall in the hands of the bad guys, and then situations are worse.

Again, I don't think there is a perfect solution.

what movies?

My solution is not really a solution but more of an Opinion. From what I have noticed lately, at most Airports that are wroking, they are very tight security measures being put into place. From what I can put together however is that, these terrorists have been planning for a Very. Very long time. They are not going to thorw something together in 5 min and decide to Hijack a PLane, they have taken everything into account and know the risks and types of security that is at the Airport. Secuirty is tight now, but someone said it will only be for now, what about a month from now when things die down?

What we need is a 100% or 99.9999999999% Secure system that will stop the Hijackers at possibly the pssengers' expense, I know I sound evil, but look what happened. Not only the passengers that died, but thousands of people in buildings and on the ground died.

So basically what I am saying is the best Idea that I think has been put for, Separately enclose the Cabin (With absolutely no Internal Door) from the rest of the Aircraft, yes there are some problems that may come up, but I'd rather be flying a Coffin that can be landed rather than be flying a Human Bomb full of gas. In the ned the Potential Loss of Life is a lot less nay way you look at it.

New idea: Sedate all passengers.

Honestly, society at large will never give up enough civil liberties and freedoms to make air travel 100% safe. Some psycho will always be clever or resourceful enough to get through.

That's actually a good idea but It sounds expensive and some people (Not Terorists) Might object, I don't know If I would want to be sedated when the Pilot dosen't see that Mountain on the Radar. He'd be screaming over the Radio and we'd all be sleeping, I mean in an actual emergency situation, There would be no way of easily waking the passegers.

Maybe straight Jackets but that's going a little bit overboard.

Originally posted by Porsche

So basically what I am saying is the best Idea that I think has been put for, Separately enclose the Cabin (With absolutely no Internal Door) from the rest of the Aircraft, yes there are some problems that may come up, but I'd rather be flying a Coffin that can be landed rather than be flying a Human Bomb full of gas.


Correct...as hard as it may seem, it would be far better to lose the plane and passengers only, then to see what happen to the WTC.

If the plane is able to land again with the hijackers on board it will save a lot of time. The FBI will know who they are etc etc and track down all the info on them.

This is only slightly off-topic, but what sickens me is how these planes in particular were hijacked... With pocket knives and box cutters!!! You mean to tell me that on a flight of even 50 passengers, not one person was willing to risk the CHANCE of losing their life by "disarming" the hijackers?!? I may only be speaking for myself, but I like to think that I'd step up and lose my life to save those of 49 others. And if multiple people stood up to one person, then there is even less of a chance of injury. I am sorry if someone is offended by my forthrightness, however I wish to make everyone see how "we" in collective, can take a stand together!

I, too, like the idea of 2 air marshalls per flight. One dressed in uniform as a mental reminder of security; the other in regular attire prepared to be back up.

The plane in Pensylvania was indeed 're-captured' by the passengers, in the end saving many lives.
The other guys thought they would just be held up on a runway for a few days until their release was negotiated. They only realized to late,

yeah, i'm sure they had no idea that the terrorists would want to kill themselves

I think they did know...thats way they tried to take over the plane.

that wouldn't even come into my mind 2 weeks ago... i wouldn't think that somebody would kill themselves, like i would of thought they want money or somethin like that

I think what happened was that one off the passengers was in contact via cell phone and was informed as to what was happening earlier on.

yeah i mean if i was on one of the planes headin for the WTC towers

They think the second plane to hit the WTC had people trying to get the plane back, cuz' they say the building on fire, and then realized what was going to happen. They say this because the nose started to go down before they hit the WTC, indicating a loss of control.

The plane in Pensylvania, they didnt know they were going to crash at first. When the guy phoned his wife, he said they had been hijacked and they said they had a bomb, but him and a couple of guys were going to do something about it. They might have found out when he called, but either way they are heroes.

Normally, hijackers want money or some political agenda, they land the plane and start negotiating.