Sniper Caught

That is all, discuss :)

The last report here was they had arrested 2 suspects only. Unless someone can point me to the report where they have had a trial and have been found guilty, DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING!!! Jesus, there is no way these guys are going to get a fair trial if they are already labelled like this by ignorant members of the public.

Originally posted by ozriceboy
The last report here was they had arrested 2 suspects only. Unless someone can point me to the report where they have had a trial and have been found guilty, DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING!!! Jesus, there is no way these guys are going to get a fair trial if they are already labelled like this by ignorant members of the public.


To get a arrest warrant, you need to prove its them beyond a reasonable doubt.

So, if they have enough evidence to arrest them, and name them as the DC sniper, then its pretty safe to say, yes, the sniper has been caught.

Does it mean he has been convicted? No, he has just been caught. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by kris



To get a arrest warrant, you need to prove its them beyond a reasonable doubt.

So, if they have enough evidence to arrest them, and name them as the DC sniper, then its pretty safe to say, yes, the sniper has been caught.

Does it mean he has been convicted? No, he has just been caught. :rolleyes:

No, it takes probable cause, not proof beyond reasonable doubt... That is what a trial is for, to prove them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Anyways, they weren't arrested on the sniper charges. One was arrested on a previous weapons charge, and the other was arrested on some other BS charge. That is so they can keep them in jail while the build the case against them (like doing ballistics tests on the rifle, etc.).

But as soon as those ballistic tests come back as a match (which I'm sure they will), it'll be a guilty verdict as far as I'm concerned. After that, it's a matter of them trying to plea-bargain down to a lesser charge.

Originally posted by ci5ic


No, it takes probable cause, not proof beyond reasonable doubt... That is what a trial is for, to prove them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Anyways, they weren't arrested on the sniper charges. One was arrested on a previous weapons charge, and the other was arrested on some other BS charge. That is so they can keep them in jail while the build the case against them (like doing ballistics tests on the rifle, etc.).

But as soon as those ballistic tests come back as a match (which I'm sure they will), it'll be a guilty verdict as far as I'm concerned. After that, it's a matter of them trying to plea-bargain down to a lesser charge.

Exactly. Thank you. THey have arrested SUSPECTS on charges other than MURDER for further QUESTIONING. Regardless of likely outcomes, that is all.

Well, if "two SUSPECTS in custody" = no more sniper victims... I'm okay with that.

Originally posted by jay@af
Well, if "two SUSPECTS in custody" = no more sniper victims... I'm okay with that.

Until the police are fooled again and someone gets shot here!

I don't believe it's them...not that easy and not like that.

Originally posted by ozriceboy
The last report here was they had arrested 2 suspects only. Unless someone can point me to the report where they have had a trial and have been found guilty, DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING!!! Jesus, there is no way these guys are going to get a fair trial if they are already labelled like this by ignorant members of the public.

That is totally WRONG! They should (and will be) considered innocent in a court of law. We can make all the assumptions we want. Our opinions do not sway the guilt or innocence in the courtroom (if it did, OJ would be dancing with the devil)

A fair trial means having thoughtful people on the Jury not having people hold their opinions until a court event occurs.













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The more assumptions and aspersions the public cast, the more frenzied and hysterical the community, influenced by the media will become. You cannot assume anything at this stage. There are SUSPECTS. Nothing more.

Originally posted by ozriceboy
The last report here was they had arrested 2 suspects only. Unless someone can point me to the report where they have had a trial and have been found guilty, DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING!!! Well let's see here. They arrested them, and they found the gun used in the shootings. They took the gun to the lab and matched it to the bullets, it's a match. Even if they aren't the shooters, they have a murder weapon in their possesion that was used in 10 murders. Either way, they're going to be in prison for a LONG time.

Originally posted by kicker1_solo
They took the gun to the lab and matched it to the bullets, it's a match.It already came back as a match? Source?

BTW, moved to Politics, Investments & Current Affairs ;)

Originally posted by jay@af
It already came back as a match? Source?

BTW, moved to Politics, Investments & Current Affairs ;)


http://www.msnbc.com/news/816566.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1

Originally posted by ozriceboy
The more assumptions and aspersions the public cast, the more frenzied and hysterical the community, influenced by the media will become. You cannot assume anything at this stage. There are SUSPECTS. Nothing more.

That makes no sense. Are you suggesting that the police should consider them not guilty? So in other words they should only arrest the innocent? Hell, they could have saved themselves a lot of time and just arrested the first person they saw. Clearly they arrest the people who the believe to be guilty. We can assume the same thing. Its the courts that cannot behave that way. The jury pool may be thinned some, but the fact is, its up the lawyers and judge to ensure a fair jury.

Originally posted by ozriceboy

Well let's see here. They arrested them, and they found the gun used in the shootings. They took the gun to the lab and matched it to the bullets, it's a match. Even if they aren't the shooters, they have a murder weapon in their possesion that was used in 10 murders. Either way, they're going to be in prison for a LONG time

I'm hoping that after the guilty verdict they are skinned alive.













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Originally posted by kris
http://www.msnbc.com/news/816566.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1 Thanks. Good.

Sniper gun in sniper car makes me think they nabbed the right guys...

Jay - its looks like the old saying "if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it must be a ..."













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Originally posted by jay@af
It already came back as a match? Source?
I saw it live on the news. That black cop that talks really slow introduced some other guy and he explained everything. And he announced that it was the gun that shot.......and then he listed all of the people that were killed or wounded.

News article on CNN said The U.S. Marshals -- part of the sniper task force -- found another stunning detail: Muhammad had been stopped in northwest Baltimore on October 8, one day after the sniper critically wounded a 13-year-old boy outside a middle school. The vehicle he was in was a 1990 Chevy Caprice with New Jersey tags.

Muhammad was sleeping in the car at the time, and was the only one in the vehicle. The Baltimore police officer, described as a 25-year veteran, questioned Muhammad and grew curious because the man's driver's license was from Washington state and the vehicle tag was from New Jersey. Because there were no arrest warrants out for Muhammad at the time, the officer could only tell him to leave.

But the incident was logged into police records -- giving task force investigators more information on the potential suspects.

"That was the key, because up to that point everyone was looking for vehicles that didn't exist," the senior law enforcement source said of the Baltimore traffic incident.

I would just like to take this opportunity to point something out. All the time on AF, I hear people say "I wish these friggin cops would stop ticketing us for traffic stuff and start going after the REAL criminals." Well guess what, guys. Traffic stops are how they catch the real criminals. I read these news articles, and 9 times out of 10, a traffic stop was involved in tracking down a murderer, rapist, or whatever. Annoying though they may be, traffic stops are a very necessary part of the system, helping to track and catch criminals. Think about it.

Friday, 25 October, 2002, 01:15 GMT 02:15 UK
Seized gun is sniper murder weapon


The men are now being treated as suspects in the sniper case

Ballistics tests have matched a rifle found in the car of two men arrested in connection with the Washington sniper attacks with the weapon used in the killings, the FBI has said.


The weapon seized from the vehicle occupied by Muhammad has been forensically determined to be the murder weapon

FBI Special Agent Mike Bouchard

Police say they now feel "very positive" that the hunt for the gunman who terrorised the US capital and its suburbs is over, following the arrest of two men found sleeping in a car.

Law officials are now treating the men as suspects in the killings and are scheduled to meet on Friday to discuss filing criminal charges related to the 13 sniper shootings in the Washington DC area which left 10 people dead.

John Allen Muhammad, a former soldier described as an "expert marksman", has already been charged with firearms violations.

Details of the identity of the 17-year-old arrested with Mr Muhammad, or whether any charges had been brought against him, were not revealed by the police because he is a juvenile under the law.

'Hole in car'

Charles Moose, police chief in Maryland's Montgomery County where six people were killed each by a single shot, said it appeared the hunt was over.


John Allen Muhammad was an "expert marksman"

"We feel very positive - we have the weapon, it is off the street."

FBI Special Agent Mike Bouchard confirmed: "The results of forensic testing are that the weapon seized from the vehicle occupied by Muhammad has been determined to be the murder weapon."

Ballistics evidence has shown most of the shootings were from the same gun, and other evidence has allowed police to link all the 13 attacks since 2 October.

Federal officials said the firearms offence charge was a way to detain Mr Muhammad while more evidence was sought in the case of the gunman who managed to kill and escape without alerting witnesses.

Media reports have quoted police sources as saying there was a hole carved in the car which would enable somebody to lie in the back and shoot without being seen.

Former soldier

Mr Muhammad is an "expert" rifle marksmen who served in the army for 10 years, according to the US Department of Defense. He was deployed during the Gulf War and left the army with the rank of sergeant.


The men were found sleeping in their car

He is also known to be a convert to Islam.

The arrests came only hours after warrants were issued and a nationwide hunt was launched for the two men.

Early on Thursday, police converged on a car - a blue 1990 Chevrolet Caprice - on Interstate 70 in Frederick County, about 70 kilometres (40 miles) north-west of the US capital and arrested the men without incident.

The swoop was prompted by an emergency call from a motorist who spotted the car which matched a police description.

The men were arrested as other officers were investigating leads in Alabama - where a woman worker at a liquor store was shot dead in September - and in Washington state, where Mr Muhammad once lived.


: Trail of terror


Map showing location of recent attacks




FBI agents searched a house in Tacoma, Washington state, 3,200 kilometres (2,000 miles) from the capital, taking away a tree stump which may have been used for target practice.

Mr Muhammad served in the army at the Fort Lewis base near Tacoma and is believed to have lived in the house.

The firearms warrant issued in Washington state - under which Mr Muhammad was arrested - lists conversations Mr Muhammad was said to have had with a former army colleague.

According to the warrant, the soldier told the FBI Mr Muhammad had tried to make a sound suppressor and said to him: "Can you imagine the damage you could do if you could shoot with a silencer?"

with all thats been said, and all the so called evidence so far,
certainly hope the cops have found the right man

I hope it was them, I couldn't bear it any longer. I have friends there!