My Condolences

TO YOU (USA NY) GUYS ,THIS M%&$ FUCKERS ARE EVILS ,:( ,I WILL PRY FOR YOU

That what happens when you fuck with the wrong people....I'll bet you anything somebody is going to get bombed on even if it isn't the enemy....Americans want revenge and Bush wants another election....go figure....too bad the enemy is invinsible.....may their souls rest in peace.....

I also want to add...especially for us Americans not to retaliate and get into the revenge mode......these radical groups only make up a small percentage of the population.......people are going to say bomb the shit out of the Palestinaans or the Afghanistans....but nothing will be accomplished except for pissing off the Afghanistanians and killing innocent people.........

Our hearts and thoughts go out to all affected.

G20RIDER,
Well said!!!, Now is the time for cool heads. Many more countries, including Afghanistan, have nukes now. Since the collapse and corruption of the USSR, who knows who else may have acquired nuclear weapons. There are many with not only the capability to destroy their enemies, but to destroy the planet.
In the case of Timothy McVie, there were also calls for retaliation against other nations - thankfully they didn't. Even here in remote NZ, certain ethnic groups are now anxious.
Everyday people don't wage war - politicians wage war if they can convince people to support them. The best way to undermine your enemies is to get the support of their people and thus remove the enemy's power-base - I suspect this is being done in light of the recent civil warfare that has broken out in Afghanistan today. You can't win by bombing since the hatred it generates fuels your enemy's strength, resolve and powerbase. Those with cool heads when things are the most difficult will prevail.
G20RIDER, for all our sakes, may the powers that be and your countrymen share your concerns.

Originally posted by T4 Primera
Our hearts and thoughts go out to all affected.

Even here in remote NZ, certain ethnic groups are now anxious.


People should remember that Arabs and Islamic people are not to blame. Bastards who have perverted their religion are likely to blame. No one should lump the rest of the Islamic world with the cowardly bastards who carried this out. Islam condemns suiside and murder. We must all remember that atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity over the years as well (Crusades, Spanish Inquisition). So no one should lump the entire Islamic world with the terrorists.

Originally posted by T4 Primera
You can't win by bombing since the hatred it generates fuels your enemy's strength, resolve and powerbase. Those with cool heads when things are the most difficult will prevail.

Well, this was an act of war and should be treated as such.

Originally posted by P10DET


People should remember that Arabs and Islamic people are not to blame. Bastards who have perverted their religion are likely to blame. No one should lump the rest of the Islamic world with the cowardly bastards who carried this out. Islam condemns suiside and murder. We must all remember that atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity over the years as well (Crusades, Spanish Inquisition). So no one should lump the entire Islamic world with the terrorists.



Well, this was an act of war and should be treated as such.
Yes it is an act of war which violates every accepted condition of engagement. During a conflict the warmongers will control and distort the flow of information. The general populations in the Middle East do not enjoy the access to information (such as the internet, freedom of press) available to those in the West. Therefore, any retaliation must be an accurate, surgical and clearly defined strike so that the Islamic populace cannot be duped by the propaganda of the power brokers. As with recent conflicts, the perpetrators will play up any actual or staged civilian casualties in order to win the support of the populace. Condemnation to the perpetrators and compassion to the people.
It is not my intention to upset or infuriate anyone so I apologise if my opinions have had this effect. This being the case, I'll refrain from any further comment.
To everyone, may your God be with you, sustain you and protect you.

I must admit that G20Rider is completely right in the cool-headedness aspect. This attack on America was far more than random. They studied our every move, and used our weakness against us. WE must also do the same. Emotions and adrenaline are too high right now for us to take any action. We should stop and think about why they did what they did. They saw that our society runs on Democracy (the Pentagon, despite the original target of the White House) and it is also based on money (WTC). Their society would not be hurt by us killing all their camels (pardon my ignorance). We must attack their societal "heart" which is the family unit and religion. I am not saying that we should kill innocent families, but there is a FAR better solution than bombing the hell out of these people.

God bless America. Let us all pray for more survivors to be found, and for those whom we have already lost.

i'm proud to be a member of this board. the posts have some sanity to them. i think it helps that we have non americans here who have different perspectives.

this was a heinous crime that shook me to the core. i couldn't even conduct school that day.

however america needs to revisit it's foreign policy in the middle east. all we hear from the american media outlets is "revenge". we don't see and hear so much why we were actually targeted by islamic extremists.

bush talks about a war against terrorism. i don't think a long and protracted fight with an invisible enemy is too attractive to european and asian powers. the military strikes need to be surgical, swift, and succesful. this, i support. but more than that, i support a change of policy in the middle east.

so what if we get the head of osama bin laden? if us foreign policy remains the same in the middle east there will be ten people willing to take his place. the long term solution to combating terrorism will be through changes in foreign policy rather than dropping bombs.

what scares me even more, ( i live in la) is when the us military starts striking either discriminately or indiscriminately. will there be further retaliation by terrorist groups?

what are other people's thoughts?

well, i expect to get flamed for this post, but let me reiterate my stance.

i was sickened by this attack on our country. i think we need military action for revenge and security puposes. but in the future we will secure ourselves by shifting foreign policy.

i hope everyone is safe and didn't lose loved ones.

Originally posted by T4 Primera
It is not my intention to upset or infuriate anyone so I apologise if my opinions have had this effect. This being the case, I'll refrain from any further comment.
To everyone, may your God be with you, sustain you and protect you.

I think you got it just right. No need to apologise.

Thank you for your thoughts and prayers.

Originally posted by primera_gte
however america needs to revisit it's foreign policy in the middle east.


God, I hope so.

Originally posted by primera_gte
all we hear from the american media outlets is "revenge". we don't see and hear so much why we were actually targeted by islamic extremists.

While we need to do some soul searching, I've heard this sentiment expressed from others. The problem, IMHO it the very fact that they are extremists makes it virtually impossible to really know that answer, despite what is said by them.

Originally posted by primera_gte
so what if we get the head of osama bin laden? if us foreign policy remains the same in the middle east there will be ten people willing to take his place.

I've also heard this sentiment before, but IMHO that is not true. The reason that is not true is there are few who have the bankroll this bastard has. That generally leaves nation states and after this barbaric act, I don't think there are many nation states who will be inclined to back a group like his. I may be naive, but given world support and outpouring of grief, I don't think so.

Originally posted by primera_gte
what scares me even more, ( i live in la) is when the us military starts striking either discriminately or indiscriminately. will there be further retaliation by terrorist groups?

I think, unfortunately, this is a certainty. We have to be prepared for it and it should only steel our resolve.

I also think that troups on the ground are not only a foregone conclusion, but they are also necessary, but not for the reason most people think. One of the reason other people throughout the world look at the USA's military might with distain is that we as a country have not been willing to get dirty and bloody. We carry out our military policy with missiles. I personally think that when we get down and dirty, they will see a side of us that is unexpected and they are not exactly prepared for. That is IMHO.

Originally posted by primera_gte
what are other people's thoughts?

well, i expect to get flamed for this post, but let me reiterate my stance.


You shouldn't be flamed for your views. We should all be willing to look inward and gain understanding of this situation. That doesn't mean it should change our short-term actions, but possibly our tactics.

Originally posted by primera_gte
i hope everyone is safe and didn't lose loved ones.


I join with you in this sentiment.

America is at war! So, it dosn't matter what anyone thinks anymore. But, America does need to channel it's efforts into the proper war tactics. This will include a substantial increase into funding covert operations around the world. Translated, this means there will be more terrorist types being employed by the CIA. There will be asassins put into operation. Many more inoscent people will die. But, this is the only way to infiltrate the enemy.

if there is going to be a war, its not going to be long. just an order and push of a button will send a nuke right up their ass. it will become a nuclear war, not like the old school trenches and waiting it out.:eek:

Originally posted by rickp
America is at war!


Indeed it is. God help us all.

Originally posted by rickp
Translated, this means there will be more terrorist types being employed by the CIA.


Terrorist types? No, but I suspect you just made a poor choice of words. Special operations types, yes.

Originally posted by rickp
There will be asassins put into operation.

I don't think so. Assasination is not allowed by US law and I think it would also not serve our purposes as it would make the targets martyrs. I would think there would be more legitimate military operations that may eliminate them.

Originally posted by AznVirus
if there is going to be a war, its not going to be long. just an order and push of a button will send a nuke right up their ass. it will become a nuclear war, not like the old school trenches and waiting it out.:eek:

I realize this is almost certainly an emotional outburst, but nukes are not an option. Nukes would only unleash the forces of hell.

I live a few block away from the former world trade center. My P-10 was parked out front that morning an got covered with dust. I knew about five people who worked in Windows on the World because I did sound for a few parties and conferences in one of the towers, and many other building in the immediate area. It's one thing to watch it on tv, but when I look out my window or walk down the street and see all the destruction I realize everything is different. I have always been fascinated by the size and view of those buildings, and now they are gone. It will be months before they get all those people and rubble cleared, life will not be the same in this neighborhood again. God bless the volunteers, families, and AMERICA.

I know it comes late: But Austria is with you, too. My condolences to all of you who have lost friends and/or relatives to this act of terrorism.

And yes, let's pray that this situation is not going to escalate, though.

Originally posted by Kalidor
I know it comes late: But Austria is with you, too. My condolences to all of you who have lost friends and/or relatives to this act of terrorism.


Thank you.

Originally posted by Kalidor
And yes, let's pray that this situation is not going to escalate, though.

I'm afraid that is just not possible.

I think I used my words correctly. Officials are considering allowing the CIA to hire the seedy characters from all around the world. I believe this means asassins and terroist types that have no problem with human rights abuses. In the old days this was the norm.