best engine to go all motor

which motor should i go with to go all motor i plan on stroking if needed and i want some individual throatal bodies. what motor should i go with a jgeldelbrock block the 2.0 bb 16 that cost 4500 or the other that cost like 2700 any other ideas would be nice thanks for any advice

did i say h22a ? maybe even a h23 with a h22a head. 190hp stock

Whats in the s2k? I heard that was the best kick per litre and may even be relatively affordable, as engines go...

the s2000 has a 2 liter, i think. but its a rear wheel drive motor, so unles you plan to convert to rear wheel drive, i would stay away from that

I forgot about the rwd, but I knew it was 2.0L, and 200 hp:eek:
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the F20-C (s2000) engine is basically maxed out from the factory already. you'll see very little improvement with i/h/e.

dont' stroke the engine. the essentials for little 4 bangers to make power is by revving. stroking will defeat the purpose and you loose top end revving ability.

if you want something good for all motor, get a B18C1. get golden eagle to resleeve the block to fit 84 or 85mm pistons. that should raise the displacement to about 2.0 liters. then get high compression pistons like in the 11.0:1 range. this won't affect your revving capability (and you should seriously build your motor to handle higher RPM which you'll wanna do for all motor)

well jg edelbrock sells blocks and heads i want to get my block and head from them the head is the one for im thinking of getting b16b block bored to 2.0 and the head that is milled it cost like1700 and i want tmw individual throattle bodies the block says on the jg site that it has compression ratio is like 13:1 would that be a good combo for a daily driven all motor honda i have a 97 hatch back would it be better to go with a lower compression ratio i wanna get some kind of fuel management system to eventually so please give me your input and idead is my idea any good?

13:1 comp ratio hmm. it kinda depends on the octane rating of the gas you can get, also tuning is also an issue on how high of a comp ratio you can run.

so tell us how high of an octane gas you can get at the gas station then we can help tell you how high it is recommended you go. but generally 12:1 or lower is streetable based on like 93 octane.

can you put air filters on those individual tb set up ? cause if you cant then you dont want that because you need filters to take out the dirt in the air

my good friend did a fully built all motor crv-tec with a 12.5:1 compression in a hatch back and it was cool and all but not really. he had the motor for about two months then sold it and now he has a fully built gsr turbo. the turbo motor put down way more power and it's easier to drive on the street. it's alot faster too. on only ten pounds he ran 12.9 on street tires. the motors cost about the same too. go turbo man.:smoker2:

yes i know i actually changed my mine today when i got back from court i bought an issue or turbo magazine i was pretty pissed to see an all motor gsr not even putting down 240whp and only running like low 13's im pretty i wanted to buy and block and head from jg but its kinda expensive and i will still need header intake manifold and intake not to mention a tranny just the block and head are gonna run like 4500 not installed not counting extra parts needed and tranny im most likely going to get a gsr swap tranny and engine ecu harness and axels and sleeve it i think some abs sleeves well work great it says they hold 55 pounds of boost and get a good ported and polish head job intake mani and turbo i think i will be running pretty fast

no way a 240whp only runs 13s, maybe if grandma is driving it. with 240whp with an lsd and slicks, your looking at low 12s

oh i was wrong it puts down 242whp it has a b18c5(type r ) enigine with 13 1 compression ratio and it runs 13.2 all day oh did i mention it is sleeved and has individual throattle bodies it also has full interior

there is an ITR on SHO.com and it has 250 whp. runs consistant 12's. daily driven car. all motor;)

go with a crvtec combo
here some ideas
block-b20b or z
my future set up
bore cylinders to 85 mm
-je or arias pistons 12:1 compression $500 w/rings
-eagle or crower rods $385
-stock gsr bearings $150 custom fit
-toda oil pump gear $500?
-lightend flywheel $380
head first gen b16a
-port and polished and multi angle valve job from portflow.com
or rs machine. $900-$1500
-full civic type-r valve train w/stronger retainers $300-$600+
-civic type-r camshafts $475
-type-r intake manifold w/over bored throttle body
-cam gears $175 skunk-2 from www.alljdm.com
-fuel pressure regulator $30-$125
tranny-
-jdm integra type-r tranny $900-$1500
-act 6 puck unsprung hub w/heavy duty pressure plate $390
-kazz race fluid $45
this will be my future set up in my next car
i bout my 97 b20b4 long block from a local salvage yard for $500.
or me and my friends can build you a nice b16a set up too.
our set in a 90 crx hf stock head just bottom end work
and jdm trans w/factory lsd runs 12.86@103
anyways peace out allmotor love!!!!!!!

dont forget you need to resleeve your block. my friend has a gsr supercharged, on street tires, he runs low 13s, so these guys must not know how to drive if he has an lsd and slicks

K20a all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!:flamer:

Originally posted by civickiller
no way a 240whp only runs 13s, maybe if grandma is driving it. with 240whp with an lsd and slicks, your looking at low 12s

this guy is on crack, putting down viper times with 240whp, UR OUT OF UR MIND..... will not elaborate on any of my or any other special engine tuning formula's but the h22 all motor is hell on wheels in a hb...

idk why i even bother. see i know you dont know because your not a real racer. if you were you would know that it would run that fast.

my friend has a 92-95 civic hb with a gsr jrsc. i raced that car, just to clearify, i was driving the car. i raced it and ran low 13s, non lsd drag radials. his car makes about 240 flywheel hp. if my friends car got an lsd and slicks then he would run like 12.7s. now if you add 40 hp to his car, to make it 280 flywheel, 240 whp, i know his car would run low 12s

so 240whp with an lsd and slicks, in a hb would run low 12s, if you cna drive. i hate it when people come on here and just call someone a liar when they dont even know what there talking about, and dont even have any facts to back it up. i love to prove them wrong

you prove me wrong with opinions not facts lets get that straight. did u post a time slip? I dont know you either but a gsr in a 92-95 hb supercharged WITH no other mods that YOU posted is something a little short of bullshit, I dont know what the fuk Im talkin about, I think u under estimate the difficulty of breaking into times that low. Maybe with other mods very easily possible or a vortech system it would be no problem, but u didnt say that did you. a supercharger what kind? how many psi? low 13's as in 13.3 is not doable unless the damn car has been gutted or modified more... Dude if you knew so much why u tell someone upgrading cams is only 400.00 for 15hp? what kind of cam are u talkin about for a sohc? a zex 11 hp 400.00 a crower cam 629.99, and it is recomended to change valves, springs, and retainers when u do that not to mention the sprocket, dude your not proving anyone wrong, Im not trying to be an ass but you need a grasp on reality I dont know everything about my car, although I wish I did so whenever I have a problem I would know what the deal was. Good luck running 13's in that hb...

first of all the only thing that i said was an opinion was that with 240whp hp in a hb that he would run low 12s with an lsd and slicks. second thing is that you dont drag race so you dont understand the concept. i bet when you race you launch at around 3000. but when i race i launch at 6000, so already off the line i am making like 50 more hp just because i launch higher. adn thats why my times are faster than what you think, not what you know.

i cant post up a time slip cause i dont have a scanner and its at my house, i dorm at college. but when i go back next week ill get the time slip and post it up. i told you what kind supercharger it was, jrsc. the car also has an intake header exhaust but thats standard i shouldnt have to mention that.

how much do you think one sohc cam costs ? why don you go try and find prices of sohc engines. if your using the street cam or the stage 1 cam then you dont need to replace your valvetrain but if you use anything more radical like the stage 2 cams or the strip cam then you will need to upgrade your valvetrain, i think i said that not sure though

my friend put a zex cam in his z6 but he said the cam was too long and the adjustable cam gear wouldnt fit.

i think you need alittle bit of reality in your life. go watch some drag races, learn how to race. also why dont you go read up on camshaft and how much they cost and how much power they give. then come back here and say what your found out.

u launch at 6k? oh you mean in ur friends car u launch at 6k wit drag radials, thats what u mean. you dont mean in ur car wit street tires. So already ur makin 50 more hp but spinnin ur wheels and lookin like a fool but all that is ok cause ur makin 50 more hp right? I dont know anything about drag racing, i have been watchin these races since I was a little kid and been workin on em since u were callin me papi.. You should replace valvetrain with any cam that has a more agressive lobe grind then the stock but u bootleg it and thats ur thing i guess. "Yah ill take off at 3k and u take off at 6k, when i drop my h22 in and run on street tires ill hand ur ass to u in any of ur friends rides or maybe even ur POS. I only call it a pos cause the info u give sucks ass and therefore u must be a 17.0 joker like many people are around here....

yes i launch at rev limiter in my car, i have slicks on my car so very little wheel spin. i only launched at 6k in my friends car because he is running drag radials not slicks, if he was runnin slicks i would have launched at rev limiter too.

sorry if i dont believe you when you say you been watching import racing all your life and have been working on import for you whole life.
because if you have worked on imports all your life then you wouldnt give such wrong info. why dont you go out and watch an import drag race, youll see guys launching at rev limiter.

k think about this then. lisa kubo in her drag civic, launches at 8k, now i know she knows the best rpm to launch at to give her the fastest time. but if its better to launch at 3k, why does every professional import racer launch at high rpms ?

as for the cam, in a stage 1 cam you dont NEED TO REPLACE IT, i never said its not recommended you replace it, you dont need to replace it. it would be better to upgrade your valvetrain with any cam but you dont need to with a stage 1. stage 2 and up, you need to replace your valvetrain.

man you really need to read my posts good before you try and call me a liar. it only makes you look bad everytime you try and call me a liar, when i prove you wrong. well smoovsol, you have called me a liar about 10 times now, but everytime i proved that what i said is truth. so ive made you look bad 10 times now. but if you wanna keep looking bad then fine by me. well i challenged you to find stuff i said that was wrong, youve tried but failed. good effort though. but i am still challenging you to find something that i said that was wrong