Mac Vs. PC

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Ok, does anyone here use a Macintosh? If so why? I am curious to know. I have yet to see any debates on this. :D How about Linux? Anyone running that? I am trying to learn that right now. I would use it more often, but there are no drivers for my DSL modem.

The PC is nice and cheap to upgrade, change cards and I believe there is a lot more software available. The Mac has run its race I think and unless they start buiding PCs then they are finished.

Hope nobody else has the same avatar :D

but, I need to get one soon b/c the teacher of my class says to get a MAC. But I will be doing 3D animation soon hopefully and I was also told
that that ain't the way to go.

I was originally supposed to get a mac because I'm taking Graphic Design in college, but it's too expensive and I can't play any games on it. :( So I'm getting a pc. :D

Me too.

Originally posted by Mrcoilover
Me too.

Screw the one-button mouse! :mad: :mad: No damn right-click shortcuts...

Yeah. It is weird. Don't feel comfortable using it.

I wonder why all them Graphic Design stuff is mostly Mac. I'm sure PCs can do whatever Macs can do. :confused: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by ^YellowBandit^
I wonder why all them Graphic Design stuff is mostly Mac. I'm sure PCs can do whatever Macs can do. :confused: :rolleyes:

you would think so.

Originally posted by ^YellowBandit^
I was originally supposed to get a mac because I'm taking Graphic Design in college, but it's too expensive and I can't play any games on it. :( So I'm getting a pc. :D

Hell yeah: GAMES! :D

w00t!

Originally posted by ^YellowBandit^


Screw the one-button mouse! :mad: :mad: No damn right-click shortcuts...
hold down the alt key mac is a better computer then a pc its main downfall is the lack of software a 400mhz mac is equal to that of a 1.6 ghz pc as far as linux i love it use suse linux mac is acutlaly loosley based on a linux platform if your doing graphic work you should defintly go mac unless you have alot of time to wait on rendering

IMO Macs suck!

they're only good for 3D animation, graphics type stuff

so for %95 of people, PC is 100 times better

Originally posted by gang$tarr
IMO Macs suck!

they're only good for 3D animation, graphics type stuff

so for %95 of people, PC is 100 times better
dude if you serious pc suck more then macs mac os is a much more stable platform then any windows platform trust me windows being a pos is how i make a living i have 3 computers on linux a g4 and a pc love them all but i get alot more probs out of my pc then the others

I use an i-MAC at work and a PC at home.
The MAC never crashs, its just locks up. On a very regular basis. and there is no reset button.
The CD Tray is all losse and floopy (the comp is about a mnth old), and keybourd is tiny, and funny shapped, the casing on the monitor dosnt fit right, and is a little loose. The mouse is just stupid! its too small to fit properly in my hand, and how the hell can you do anything with one button!.

The PC crashs, but when it does I dont have to pull the power plug out, I just hit the reset bottun, It has 3 mouse buttons, including a scroll whell, so I dont spend half the timing messing around finding shortcuts, and useing scroll bars.
The only thing the MAC does thats better is possibly have a clearer screen, and is boots up a little faster. THATS IT!
GIVE ME A PC ANY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Sleepy

dude if you serious pc suck more then macs mac os is a much more stable platform then any windows platform trust me windows being a pos is how i make a living i have 3 computers on linux a g4 and a pc love them all but i get alot more probs out of my pc then the others

that's exactly why i said IMO, cause for other people PCs suck.... doesn't matter to me...

Originally posted by Moppie
I use an i-MAC at work and a PC at home.
The MAC never crashs, its just locks up. On a very regular basis. and there is no reset button.
The CD Tray is all losse and floopy (the comp is about a mnth old), and keybourd is tiny, and funny shapped, the casing on the monitor dosnt fit right, and is a little loose. The mouse is just stupid! its too small to fit properly in my hand, and how the hell can you do anything with one button!.

The PC crashs, but when it does I dont have to pull the power plug out, I just hit the reset bottun, It has 3 mouse buttons, including a scroll whell, so I dont spend half the timing messing around finding shortcuts, and useing scroll bars.
The only thing the MAC does thats better is possibly have a clearer screen, and is boots up a little faster. THATS IT!
GIVE ME A PC ANY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
few points
1. your mac cant be a month old because if it was it wouldnt have a floppy
2. they do have a restart button on i macs it on the side on g4 its on the front use a paper clip to hit it
3.the main prob that causes a mac to lock up is lack of ram if you have a imac its only 32 meg give it 128 take the prob away
4. as far as the only thing being better is clear screen try rendering a large photo in photoshop or using bryce 4 or poser or maya and see which is better
5. the alt key works as the second mouse button hold and click
6. a mac has a full set of quick keys you can use to control the system
7.macs harddrive are much harder to frag
8. quality of products mac is able to keep only the highest product from being released be cause the make them all there is not a bunch of differnet company making them like a pc who is made buy a bunch of companys
cons of a mac
1. the mouse not having a scroll i agree 100%
2. lack of software
sleepy:finger:

Originally posted by Sleepy

few points
1. your mac cant be a month old because if it was it wouldnt have a floppy


English! TO YOU READ IT MOTHER FUCKER!!!!! :devil:
I never said it had a floopy drive, I said the CD drive was floopy! i.e. when you eject the tray it donst come all the way out, but jams, and has to be pulled out. Then when you do pull it out its loose, and feels like its going to fall out, or break. Basicly its CHEAP crap compared to the Items Iv seen in PC's. The same is true for the case, it dosnt fit properly.

As for needing more RAM, the problem is conflicts with the USB hub, and the software I have to use for work, it ran fine on a 8yr old MAC which im sure had a lot less Ram. (this would also lock up, but for diffrent reasons.) Iv never had a PC lock up from lack of RAM.

MACs due to thier diffrent arcitecture devote more processing power to Graphics, hence that are far better than a standard PC for graphics work and comercial word preccessing. Howeve you can spend enough money on a PC and get the same results, the hard part is there is more graphic editing software for the MAC.
MACs are more commonly used in Schools becuase Apple sells them at a heavily discounted rate to schools, and has developed a lot more educational soft ware than there is for the PC.

But at the momonet the PC make up 95% of the world computer market, the MAC makes up 4% and then 1% is other. (super computers etc)

Originally posted by Moppie


English! TO YOU READ IT MOTHER FUCKER!!!!! :devil:
I never said it had a floopy drive, I said the CD drive was floopy! i.e. when you eject the tray it donst come all the way out, but jams, and has to be pulled out. Then when you do pull it out its loose, and feels like its going to fall out, or break. Basicly its CHEAP crap compared to the Items Iv seen in PC's. The same is true for the case, it dosnt fit properly.

As for needing more RAM, the problem is conflicts with the USB hub, and the software I have to use for work, it ran fine on a 8yr old MAC which im sure had a lot less Ram. (this would also lock up, but for diffrent reasons.) Iv never had a PC lock up from lack of RAM.

MACs due to thier diffrent arcitecture devote more processing power to Graphics, hence that are far better than a standard PC for graphics work and comercial word preccessing. Howeve you can spend enough money on a PC and get the same results, the hard part is there is more graphic editing software for the MAC.
MACs are more commonly used in Schools becuase Apple sells them at a heavily discounted rate to schools, and has developed a lot more educational soft ware than there is for the PC.

But at the momonet the PC make up 95% of the world computer market, the MAC makes up 4% and then 1% is other. (super computers etc)

aight your right i did read it wrong its late and ive been drinkin the graphics software pretty well anything that goes on a mac is made for a pc also all of the biggiest programs even a few of them arent even on mac's the only difference is arcitecture is that macs read the bits defently then a pc it reads them in reverse as far as the software worked fine on your old mac might be that the program isnt made for the newer macs running a much higher version of os just like some 95 programs have trouble runnin on a 2000 box as far a sells go your right but the mac is still a very good computer you cant get the same affects on a pc doing graphics that you can on a mac its basicaly imposible dude i will admit the only thing i use my mac for is graphics and a few other things but the only thing i really use my pc for is internet

hey moppie what mac do you have?

Let me put it this way.....

a) Macs can be reset two ways. One is the paper clip method that another user pointed out. The other is by pressing command+option+and the reset key on the keyboard.

b) You can get 2 and 3 button mice for Macs. Those are primarily used for CAD (or to satiate narrow minded DOS heads (j/k))


Now to the meat of the matter.......

I use AND support both Macs and PCs. What the Wintel users fail to realize is that the same software you have on a PC is available on a Mac.
Even games! Plus, Macs can emulate PCs by using either hardware (Orange Micro PC Card) or software (Soft PC). Then on top of that, Mac OS X is a unix based operating system which will provide more security, stability and will encourage more development.

While Windows 2000 Professional (Not Millennium, damnit!) is more stable than its predecessors, but still has bugs that Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, generates service packs for (Which for Win2K is SP2, NT is SP6). Macs are a true GUI (with the exception of X) which means that it runs more efficiently than a DOS based PC because it is only running one operating system, removing an app from a Mac is as easy as dropping it in the Trash Can (as opposed to going through Start: Settings: Control Panel: Add/Remove Programs or 3rd Party software like CleanSweep which does not guarantee that you will get all of the app you're trying to remove thanks to the Registry from hell).

As far as hardware is concerned, Macs are now using IDE drives like a PC which makes for cheaper upgrades (slower data transfer than SCSI, but what the hey). Plus, a lot of PC peripheral vendors are making peripherals for the Mac these days (e.g. NVidia).

hey PrinzII nice to see there is some more mac guys how long you been workin with them i just started about 2 months ago?

Originally posted by Sleepy
hey PrinzII nice to see there is some more mac guys how long you been workin with them i just started about 2 months ago?

I've been on them for over 10 years. :D

i hated them untill i started using them but no i love them i do alot of bryce 3d work and some poser its so much nicer

I started using MacWrite and then it evolved to Quark, Illustrator, Photoshop, and other packages. In fact, I started using Word and Excel on a Mac before Excel became the spreadsheet of choice on the PC side.

However, the irony is that the picture in my sig was done using Photoshop and Illustrator on a PC.

Originally posted by PrinzII
However, the irony is that the picture in my sig was done using Photoshop and Illustrator on a PC.

thats funny never really got real good at photoshop im okay at it but i like working with the 3d stuff a little more tryin to get better at my photoshop though

Good to see some mac opinions here. I have never used one myself, but am curious to try. However, I dont want to drop a load of cash to go buy one. <sigh> oh well, i will never learn :D

Originally posted by kbslacker
Good to see some mac opinions here. I have never used one myself, but am curious to try. However, I dont want to drop a load of cash to go buy one. <sigh> oh well, i will never learn :D
get suse linux its not make but it works similar then any windows would there is also a program called soft mac but doesnt work very well
sleepy:devil:

I was actualy looking forward to useing the new i-MAC when we go it at work. I had only heard great things about them. However I was hugly disiapointed by the general quality of the thing. OK the OS might be more stable, but the whole machine is nothing more than a gimick. and a cheap tacky one at that. The quality and design of the parts is very sustandard. Not to mention the trouble it having. The reason we had to upgrade the work MAC was becuase the software we use was also upgradded, and would not run on the old one.
If the i-MAC had really been as good as climed I might be saying something quite diffrent right now. But the fact is that the MAC OS is a lot harder to use than Windows. It requires a lot more in terms of mouse and keybourd inputs to get anywhere. While on a PC you only need to touch the keybourd to enter numbers or letters.
I mean whats the deal with the TAB, ENTER and RETURN keys all being for data entery, but doing it 3 diffrent ways!!!!!
If we were using a PC at work I could do most of my work with just the mouse, with the MAC i have to use both mouse and keybourd.

Apple came up with far better OS to DOS, but MS copied it and made it better, then kept improving it. its that simple. the fact that windows is a little dodgy at times just shows that MS is cheap back of lying scum, not that the PC is a lesser machine than a MAC.

dude tell them to get a g4 much better then any imac if the only mac you have really used is a imac i understand why you dont really like them
sleepy:devil:

I have to use both when im at uni and quite honestly Macs suck, i cant see any advantage in them over PC's other that their cases look better which is not a major part of the decision to buy a computer

I dont use either, linux or MAC.

But I have heard Macs are much better for graphics and Video work.

Originally posted by Racing Rice
I dont use either, linux or MAC.

But I have heard Macs are much better for graphics and Video work.

Its true that at one time the Macs were much much better at graphic manipulation, but the gap has closed considerably. Its to the point now that there is little to no difference.

Originally posted by YogsVR4


Its true that at one time the Macs were much much better at graphic manipulation, but the gap has closed considerably. Its to the point now that there is little to no difference.

how much graphics work do you?

Originally posted by Sleepy


how much graphics work do you?


Depends. From time to time, quite a bit. For the last few years, I've been more dedicated to software development so I've been out of it for awhile. But, I cant imagine the Macs have made a quantum leap ahead again without my hearing about it.

Originally posted by YogsVR4


Depends. From time to time, quite a bit. For the last few years, I've been more dedicated to software development so I've been out of it for awhile. But, I cant imagine the Macs have made a quantum leap ahead again without my hearing about it.

try running photoshop 6 on a mac g4 and pc do the same stuff leaps and bounds man leaps and bounds its really amazing i have a 1ghz pc and when i mess with photo that are around 50mg its really slow my mac powers right thru same way with my bryce 4 and poser stuff i didnt think there would be a big difference either but its defintly noticeable

Im a PC man myself but I think mac's r great! its too bad they never really took off in popularity. Kinda the same thing that happened between VHS and BETA, BETA had better picture and sound quality, but was never pushed by the media, and VHS was the one that took off. Kinda sad really :(

My views


I have a pc at home and it sucks - well if i had a good one i would like it better

at school for graphics classes i use macs. - i use a g4 and it is AWESOME

i would love to have a mac for me. the only thing i use a comp for is to access graphics programs and the internet. which would run better on a mac.

a pc would be better for word processing documents and games

depends on which you want it for

a mac is alot smarter than a pc - i like how they think-- for instince - you can use a pc disk in a mac and it works fine but try and put a mac disk in a pc and it acts as if there is nothing there - now i know you can buy programs for pcs to do that but who wants to do that ?? -

bottom line.... if you are using a lot of graphics and mostly graphics go for the mac (thats what it is made for) if you are going for word processing or games go for the pc (thats what its made for)

and for trigger....The Mac has run its race I think and unless they start buiding PCs then they are finished.

Apple is not anywhere close to going out if anythign they are getting stronger - the reason people think apple is going to down is b/c of there volume of sales - there is only one company who makes macs vs. thousands of companys who make pcs - so theres not really a good comparison


its all up to you ....
i would prefer a mac though

oh and i dont know shit about linux

Originally posted by CivicType-R
My views

a mac is alot smarter than a pc - i like how they think--

Wow, I didnt know Apple was so advanced in AI that they were already releasing it onto the open market. :eek:




If your MAC, is "thinking" you really need to call Chost busters. :D

Originally posted by Moppie


Wow, I didnt know Apple was so advanced in AI that they were already releasing it onto the open market. :eek:




If your MAC, is "thinking" you really need to call Chost busters. :D


:hehehe: welcome to the twighlight zone. :grey:

I used to be real big into Macs. They're just easier to use; more intuitive.

The thing that gives me the most confidence in Macs over PCs is that the Mac OS uses a true GUI, while Windows just masks DOS. This is most evident when you get the BLUE SCREEN OF DOOM.

Originally posted by Silver S2000
The thing that gives me the most confidence in Macs over PCs is that the Mac OS uses a true GUI, while Windows just masks DOS. This is most evident when you get the BLUE SCREEN OF DOOM.

Not true anymore. They have pretty much abandod the DOS platform. At least to my knowledge.

I thought PCs all booted up in DOS, then were Shelled to start Windows. Is that not true? Why do I see black-screen-block-text at startup?

i think Silver S2000 is right

Originally posted by kbslacker


Not true anymore. They have pretty much abandod the DOS platform. At least to my knowledge.

not true go and look though your windows files and you will find files with the suffix .dos all your drivers are controled thru dos also windows is just doing a better job at hiding the dos part of it

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can you BUILD your own Mac? I built my own PC by buying all the necessary parts and putting them together. I have never seen a computer that someone built that had a Mac OS.

Originally posted by MBTN
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can you BUILD your own Mac? I built my own PC by buying all the necessary parts and putting them together. I have never seen a computer that someone built that had a Mac OS. You may be right. I don't think I've ever seen that either. But you can take them apart later and they're just as easy to work on.

Originally posted by MBTN
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can you BUILD your own Mac? I built my own PC by buying all the necessary parts and putting them together. I have never seen a computer that someone built that had a Mac OS.

no you cant build your own mac the only way to get parts if from a authorized dealer