Skyline
Heep
10-21-2002, 01:19 AM
Damnit...everybody is ruining this car...just like Hondas.
Skylines (and Hondas for that matter) are great cars, but they're NOT the ONLY car worth revering, they're not THAT good...
Sorry, just had to rant, was just in a conversation earlier today with a guy that knew practically nothing about cars, and he was very offensive in making sure I knew that nothing in the world is better than a Skyline or Honda Civic.....:mad:
Skylines (and Hondas for that matter) are great cars, but they're NOT the ONLY car worth revering, they're not THAT good...
Sorry, just had to rant, was just in a conversation earlier today with a guy that knew practically nothing about cars, and he was very offensive in making sure I knew that nothing in the world is better than a Skyline or Honda Civic.....:mad:
taranaki
10-21-2002, 01:59 AM
The Skyline is the ultimate road vehicle,and in the world of the Skyline,none shall pass the mighty GT-D!
Seriously though,because they were never made in left-hand drive(correct me if I am mistaken),only a handful of aftermarket-converted Skylines have made into the American markets,usuallyn only the more expensive high-performance models...in civilised countriesright-hand drive:D ] the Skyline is available in a multitude of specs from Godzilla to Granny-wagon.........
Seriously though,because they were never made in left-hand drive(correct me if I am mistaken),only a handful of aftermarket-converted Skylines have made into the American markets,usuallyn only the more expensive high-performance models...in civilised countriesright-hand drive:D ] the Skyline is available in a multitude of specs from Godzilla to Granny-wagon.........
kicker1_solo
10-21-2002, 02:01 AM
honda civics are good for gas mileage, that is all, thank you...come again :)
Ssom
10-21-2002, 02:04 AM
Skylines WERE dream cars for me- until the faggots (namely teh G.I and South Auckland lot) got thier hands on them. They are nice cars- but there is better
Same goes for Civic- Speaking of people who don't know shit about cars- I will always remember One guy I saw- who claimed he owned a 500bhp Twin Turbo Mazda Famillia V8 :rolleyes: - The funny part was- it was stock- and Wasn't even a DOHC Mazda Turbo :silly2: :silly2: :silly2:
Same goes for Civic- Speaking of people who don't know shit about cars- I will always remember One guy I saw- who claimed he owned a 500bhp Twin Turbo Mazda Famillia V8 :rolleyes: - The funny part was- it was stock- and Wasn't even a DOHC Mazda Turbo :silly2: :silly2: :silly2:
replicant_008
10-21-2002, 02:05 AM
It's okay Heep. I know what you mean.
Down under we have the two hill tribes, Ford and Holden. And we have a fanatical following for Holdens. And as a result we have all sorts of folk bagging their respective opposition's make. And we get the same ridiculous assertions flying all over the place. My car is better because... it won the race on Sunday etc etc. All Ford's suck. Why do you own a Ford do like being a loser etc...
It's deadly boring esp when I actually support the drivers as opposed to the cars themselves on the race track. At last year's V8 Supercar meeting I took one of my friends who is a sworn Holden Fan into the pits during one of the races when the pits are 'controlled' ie no public and showed him the two leading teams cars. He was astounded to see the difference between the road cars and the race cars and just how similar the two race cars were (they're kind of like NASCAR).
Most of my friends know I drive a variety of cars - and being an enthusiast I try to give them a balanced opinion based on my experiences with a car. And I'm really tired about hearing about people's opinions formed by what their mate said or what they see on a race track. Or they compare one model of car as being representative of an entire range eg Nissan GTR as the whole Skyline Range or the Civic Type R VTEC as being representative of the base model.
I think the decision to buy is based on your own circumstances, needs and preferences. Assigning a halo effect is part of marketing but I'm over it and I'm over ill-informed opinions - tell me what you know not what you've heard.
Down under we have the two hill tribes, Ford and Holden. And we have a fanatical following for Holdens. And as a result we have all sorts of folk bagging their respective opposition's make. And we get the same ridiculous assertions flying all over the place. My car is better because... it won the race on Sunday etc etc. All Ford's suck. Why do you own a Ford do like being a loser etc...
It's deadly boring esp when I actually support the drivers as opposed to the cars themselves on the race track. At last year's V8 Supercar meeting I took one of my friends who is a sworn Holden Fan into the pits during one of the races when the pits are 'controlled' ie no public and showed him the two leading teams cars. He was astounded to see the difference between the road cars and the race cars and just how similar the two race cars were (they're kind of like NASCAR).
Most of my friends know I drive a variety of cars - and being an enthusiast I try to give them a balanced opinion based on my experiences with a car. And I'm really tired about hearing about people's opinions formed by what their mate said or what they see on a race track. Or they compare one model of car as being representative of an entire range eg Nissan GTR as the whole Skyline Range or the Civic Type R VTEC as being representative of the base model.
I think the decision to buy is based on your own circumstances, needs and preferences. Assigning a halo effect is part of marketing but I'm over it and I'm over ill-informed opinions - tell me what you know not what you've heard.
Moppie
10-21-2002, 03:57 AM
Heep = :ylsuper :ylsuper !!!
But this could get interesting when the skyline owners decied to voice an opinion.
Just like Holdens, and Fords (gm vs ford) and during the 80s Rotorys fans, then Mazda fans, and more recently Honda, Toyota and Nissan fans, there are Fanatics in every group. And skyline owners are no exception.
For what ever reason they think that just becasue a GTR is one of the worlds best preformance cars, then all Skyline models are also in the same league. Whethers its a GTE or a GTS-t. If it has a Skyline badge then it must be the same as a GTR.
The same thing happens with Honda's, the number of dick heads out there who think thier LXi civic is on par with a Type R never ceases to amaze me.
Forunatly most poeple are a bit more rational than the minority as described above, but unforunatly like regligous groups it is the fanatics who are the most out spoken, and who end up being percieved by the general population as the sterotype Honda or Skyline or Holden etc etc owner.
But this could get interesting when the skyline owners decied to voice an opinion.
Just like Holdens, and Fords (gm vs ford) and during the 80s Rotorys fans, then Mazda fans, and more recently Honda, Toyota and Nissan fans, there are Fanatics in every group. And skyline owners are no exception.
For what ever reason they think that just becasue a GTR is one of the worlds best preformance cars, then all Skyline models are also in the same league. Whethers its a GTE or a GTS-t. If it has a Skyline badge then it must be the same as a GTR.
The same thing happens with Honda's, the number of dick heads out there who think thier LXi civic is on par with a Type R never ceases to amaze me.
Forunatly most poeple are a bit more rational than the minority as described above, but unforunatly like regligous groups it is the fanatics who are the most out spoken, and who end up being percieved by the general population as the sterotype Honda or Skyline or Holden etc etc owner.
Ssom
10-21-2002, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by Moppie
Heep = :ylsuper :ylsuper !!!
But this could get interesting when the skyline owners decied to voice an opinion.
Just like Holdens, and Fords (gm vs ford) and during the 80s Rotorys fans, then Mazda fans, and more recently Honda, Toyota and Nissan fans, there are Fanatics in every group. And skyline owners are no exception.
For what ever reason they think that just becasue a GTR is one of the worlds best preformance cars, then all Skyline models are also in the same league. Whethers its a GTE or a GTS-t. If it has a Skyline badge then it must be the same as a GTR.
The same thing happens with Honda's, the number of dick heads out there who think thier LXi civic is on par with a Type R never ceases to amaze me.
Forunatly most poeple are a bit more rational than the minority as described above, but unforunatly like regligous groups it is the fanatics who are the most out spoken, and who end up being percieved by the general population as the sterotype Honda or Skyline or Holden etc etc owner.
But my VW Jetta GL IS on par witht the W12 Concept car :finger:
Moppie- surely the most shocking and moroic lot is the faggots who think thier Mazda 323/Ford Laser 1.5 litre station Wagon is a Familiia GTR equaliser :mad: same with Toyota Corrola XL station wagon owners who think they've got an AE86-like performance under there :rolleyes:
Heep = :ylsuper :ylsuper !!!
But this could get interesting when the skyline owners decied to voice an opinion.
Just like Holdens, and Fords (gm vs ford) and during the 80s Rotorys fans, then Mazda fans, and more recently Honda, Toyota and Nissan fans, there are Fanatics in every group. And skyline owners are no exception.
For what ever reason they think that just becasue a GTR is one of the worlds best preformance cars, then all Skyline models are also in the same league. Whethers its a GTE or a GTS-t. If it has a Skyline badge then it must be the same as a GTR.
The same thing happens with Honda's, the number of dick heads out there who think thier LXi civic is on par with a Type R never ceases to amaze me.
Forunatly most poeple are a bit more rational than the minority as described above, but unforunatly like regligous groups it is the fanatics who are the most out spoken, and who end up being percieved by the general population as the sterotype Honda or Skyline or Holden etc etc owner.
But my VW Jetta GL IS on par witht the W12 Concept car :finger:
Moppie- surely the most shocking and moroic lot is the faggots who think thier Mazda 323/Ford Laser 1.5 litre station Wagon is a Familiia GTR equaliser :mad: same with Toyota Corrola XL station wagon owners who think they've got an AE86-like performance under there :rolleyes:
tazdev
10-21-2002, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by Moppie
But this could get interesting when the skyline owners decied to voice an opinion.
Or the Honda owners:flipa:
Originally posted by Moppie
For what ever reason they think that just becasue a GTR is one of the worlds best preformance cars, then all Skyline models are also in the same league.
That is 100% incorrect there Mr Moppie. You yourself are casting incorrect stereotypes. Not ALL skyline enthusisats are like that, in fact very few are. As far as skylines go the GTR will ALWAYS be the Pinnacle.
The good thing about the skyline is that they were released with a trim setting and an engine to fit all needs, from the 2.6l twin turbo down to the 1.8l 4 cylinder non turbo.
But this could get interesting when the skyline owners decied to voice an opinion.
Or the Honda owners:flipa:
Originally posted by Moppie
For what ever reason they think that just becasue a GTR is one of the worlds best preformance cars, then all Skyline models are also in the same league.
That is 100% incorrect there Mr Moppie. You yourself are casting incorrect stereotypes. Not ALL skyline enthusisats are like that, in fact very few are. As far as skylines go the GTR will ALWAYS be the Pinnacle.
The good thing about the skyline is that they were released with a trim setting and an engine to fit all needs, from the 2.6l twin turbo down to the 1.8l 4 cylinder non turbo.
taranaki
10-21-2002, 04:36 AM
Frankly,both the Civic and the Skyline have their merits,and both have large model ranges and trim levels...so rather than just dishing the crap at each others model,perhaps you might like to comment on each others' individual cars,and the mods that you've made?
tazdev
10-21-2002, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by taranaki
...so rather than just dishing the crap at each others model,perhaps you might like to comment on each others' individual cars,and the mods that you've made?
Who's "dishing the crap"?
-My car-
R32 Skyline GTE-x
2.0l SOHC
4 door manual
-modifications-
Panasonic cd head unit (4x 60W, 1x 5W)
Panasonic 8 disc cd changer
Pioneer 5 1/4" components
Pioneer 6x9 speakers
2x Pioneer ts-w304 12" subs (in custom box)
unknown brand 4x 250W RMS Amplifier
Replaced standard "pencil post" battery
*I know my car is no rocket so it may as well sound good:licker:
...so rather than just dishing the crap at each others model,perhaps you might like to comment on each others' individual cars,and the mods that you've made?
Who's "dishing the crap"?
-My car-
R32 Skyline GTE-x
2.0l SOHC
4 door manual
-modifications-
Panasonic cd head unit (4x 60W, 1x 5W)
Panasonic 8 disc cd changer
Pioneer 5 1/4" components
Pioneer 6x9 speakers
2x Pioneer ts-w304 12" subs (in custom box)
unknown brand 4x 250W RMS Amplifier
Replaced standard "pencil post" battery
*I know my car is no rocket so it may as well sound good:licker:
taranaki
10-21-2002, 04:51 AM
it's a general term for the kind of thing that Heep was refering to.My point is,if you own a bone stock car of any breed,regardles of it's specs,you have nothing to brag about,or to knock someone else for.Any idiot can buy speed off the shelf(and far too many do)If your car is no different from the next one off the production line, it's not a statement of your personal taste.
tazdev
10-21-2002, 04:55 AM
fair enough.
IhateAF
10-21-2002, 04:55 AM
this post laughed at and removed by TARANAKI.happy 8th birthday,by the way.
tazdev
10-21-2002, 04:59 AM
***Post removed by Tazdev due to the "problem" being delt to***
Moppie
10-21-2002, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by tazdev
That is 100% incorrect there Mr Moppie.
Instead of validating my point, instead read my whole post and note where I said these people are a MINORITY. ;)
Remember I spend most of my working day on the road, and I see a lot of skyline owners who drive thier cars like they are a GTR when they are not even close. The're like that small number of Holden and Ford owners who think that becasue thier car is losely related to a V8 Super car they are somehow faster than everything else on the road.
But there are plenty of owners of other car makes who think the same thing.
And for the record pretty much every Japanese car made since the late 80s comes in a Variety of trim and performance levels to suit all tastes.
The skyline is in not extrodinary in that regard.
and can I have your stereo?
That is 100% incorrect there Mr Moppie.
Instead of validating my point, instead read my whole post and note where I said these people are a MINORITY. ;)
Remember I spend most of my working day on the road, and I see a lot of skyline owners who drive thier cars like they are a GTR when they are not even close. The're like that small number of Holden and Ford owners who think that becasue thier car is losely related to a V8 Super car they are somehow faster than everything else on the road.
But there are plenty of owners of other car makes who think the same thing.
And for the record pretty much every Japanese car made since the late 80s comes in a Variety of trim and performance levels to suit all tastes.
The skyline is in not extrodinary in that regard.
and can I have your stereo?
darkness
10-21-2002, 05:16 AM
But I also get peeved at people thinking that a civic could beat a gts-t :P (I'm kidding around here, but you get my point)
Yeah there are some people out there who take things a little too far.
Yeah there are some people out there who take things a little too far.
tazdev
10-21-2002, 05:27 AM
Originally posted by Moppie
Instead of validating my point, instead read my whole post and note where I said these people are a MINORITY. ;)
fair call
Originally posted by Moppie
and can I have your stereo?
Hell no:devil:
I'm just starting to get the EQ's set right and to my liking (man thats a hard task)
Instead of validating my point, instead read my whole post and note where I said these people are a MINORITY. ;)
fair call
Originally posted by Moppie
and can I have your stereo?
Hell no:devil:
I'm just starting to get the EQ's set right and to my liking (man thats a hard task)
Moppie
10-21-2002, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by darkness
But I also get peeved at people thinking that a civic could beat a gts-t :P (I'm kidding around here, but you get my point)
I get your point! :finger: :D :D :D (j/k)
actualy on paper both cars produce almost exactly the same 0-100 and 1/4 times. (im talking my EF9 SiR, an EG6 or EK6 SiR/VTiR is slower)
In reality it all comes down to driver skill, and if that particular piece of road suits that particular car. Forunatly a lot of Skylines are bought by people who care more about image than knowing how to drive.
(you don't buy a Civic to look cool, you buy a civic becasue its cheap to own and run) (you buy a skyline becasue it has one of the worlds best 6cly engines up frount, and as far as Japanese cars go is quite unique in being an inline six, RWD thats affordable, and becasue some people like the image it has)
At the moment almost every single friday I see two cars.
Ones a bright yellow EF Civic sedan, with the almighty twin carb 1300 under the hood. The car looks like it escaped from some bad 80s cartoon. It just manages to squek the frount tyres. in the wet.
Then there is a grey GTE skyline with the number plate "LOWSKY". It matchs the plate in having the springs removed. The truck literaly goes round corners faster. (I know, I followed it round a corner in the truck and it started hopping and skipping with the tyres squealing.)
But I also get peeved at people thinking that a civic could beat a gts-t :P (I'm kidding around here, but you get my point)
I get your point! :finger: :D :D :D (j/k)
actualy on paper both cars produce almost exactly the same 0-100 and 1/4 times. (im talking my EF9 SiR, an EG6 or EK6 SiR/VTiR is slower)
In reality it all comes down to driver skill, and if that particular piece of road suits that particular car. Forunatly a lot of Skylines are bought by people who care more about image than knowing how to drive.
(you don't buy a Civic to look cool, you buy a civic becasue its cheap to own and run) (you buy a skyline becasue it has one of the worlds best 6cly engines up frount, and as far as Japanese cars go is quite unique in being an inline six, RWD thats affordable, and becasue some people like the image it has)
At the moment almost every single friday I see two cars.
Ones a bright yellow EF Civic sedan, with the almighty twin carb 1300 under the hood. The car looks like it escaped from some bad 80s cartoon. It just manages to squek the frount tyres. in the wet.
Then there is a grey GTE skyline with the number plate "LOWSKY". It matchs the plate in having the springs removed. The truck literaly goes round corners faster. (I know, I followed it round a corner in the truck and it started hopping and skipping with the tyres squealing.)
Moppie
10-21-2002, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by tazdev
I'm just starting to get the EQ's set right and to my liking
I dont have EQ's. :(
(well the pioneer head unit does sort of, but they dont have enough range to be really useful)
I'm just starting to get the EQ's set right and to my liking
I dont have EQ's. :(
(well the pioneer head unit does sort of, but they dont have enough range to be really useful)
Oz
10-21-2002, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by darkness
But I also get peeved at people thinking that a civic could beat a gts-t :P (I'm kidding around here, but you get my point)
Yeah there are some people out there who take things a little too far.
Some of them could. Namely ALLMTR Chuck and a couple of the Turbo Civics running around. Hopefully my ITR -> 5th gen civic project can :)
But I also get peeved at people thinking that a civic could beat a gts-t :P (I'm kidding around here, but you get my point)
Yeah there are some people out there who take things a little too far.
Some of them could. Namely ALLMTR Chuck and a couple of the Turbo Civics running around. Hopefully my ITR -> 5th gen civic project can :)
Moppie
10-21-2002, 05:55 AM
Originally posted by ozriceboy
Some of them could. Namely ALLMTR Chuck and a couple of the Turbo Civics running around. Hopefully my ITR -> 5th gen civic project can :)
do similar work to a skyline and it's bye bye honda though. :cool:
Some of them could. Namely ALLMTR Chuck and a couple of the Turbo Civics running around. Hopefully my ITR -> 5th gen civic project can :)
do similar work to a skyline and it's bye bye honda though. :cool:
Oz
10-21-2002, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by Moppie
do similar work to a skyline and it's bye bye honda though. :cool:
Oh, did I mention shut up? hehe. No seriously, look at the budgets for each car. My project can be built for under $30k Aus.
do similar work to a skyline and it's bye bye honda though. :cool:
Oh, did I mention shut up? hehe. No seriously, look at the budgets for each car. My project can be built for under $30k Aus.
Moppie
10-21-2002, 06:16 AM
Originally posted by ozriceboy
Oh, did I mention shut up? hehe. No seriously, look at the budgets for each car. My project can be built for under $30k Aus.
Actualy there is one thing Honda can lord above not only all other Japanese Manufactors, but also most of the worlds manufactors.
Its thier F1 Success.
While Nissan is busy playing with thier GTR Skyline, doing ok at Le Mans and dominating the JGTC, Honda has become the 2nd most succesful manufactor to enter in F1. 2nd only to Ferrari.
And occasinaly some of that F1 experiance and knowledge seeps into thier road cars. :D
Oh, did I mention shut up? hehe. No seriously, look at the budgets for each car. My project can be built for under $30k Aus.
Actualy there is one thing Honda can lord above not only all other Japanese Manufactors, but also most of the worlds manufactors.
Its thier F1 Success.
While Nissan is busy playing with thier GTR Skyline, doing ok at Le Mans and dominating the JGTC, Honda has become the 2nd most succesful manufactor to enter in F1. 2nd only to Ferrari.
And occasinaly some of that F1 experiance and knowledge seeps into thier road cars. :D
Heep
10-21-2002, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by tazdev
Not ALL skyline enthusisats are like that, in fact very few are.
I'll bet almost anything that's true in the countries that got the Skyline...but over here almost every kid that's played Gran Turismo but knows nothing about cars will be very offensive about letting you know that every Skyline in the world is a god car. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Moppie
(you don't buy a Civic to look cool, you buy a civic becasue its cheap to own and run)
This phrase too, I'm willing to bet is true in almost every country except here. All the "mallflower" guys (as I call them, the guys you see hanging around in malls and doing ANYTHING (and/or copying ANYBODY) to look cool) seem to think even a base Civic is the extreme form of looking cool on the road. Heck, Civics are even starting to replace lowriders and Ferraris in rap videos.....
Not ALL skyline enthusisats are like that, in fact very few are.
I'll bet almost anything that's true in the countries that got the Skyline...but over here almost every kid that's played Gran Turismo but knows nothing about cars will be very offensive about letting you know that every Skyline in the world is a god car. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Moppie
(you don't buy a Civic to look cool, you buy a civic becasue its cheap to own and run)
This phrase too, I'm willing to bet is true in almost every country except here. All the "mallflower" guys (as I call them, the guys you see hanging around in malls and doing ANYTHING (and/or copying ANYBODY) to look cool) seem to think even a base Civic is the extreme form of looking cool on the road. Heck, Civics are even starting to replace lowriders and Ferraris in rap videos.....
S Brake
10-21-2002, 02:33 PM
Maybe in canadian rap video's, our homies like Jermaine Dupri and Luda won't let us down. You can always count on Jay-Z to floss up and down this mother!
Skylines and Civics do suck
89 113 hp toyota rust bucket trucks are where its at, y0
ps, that was sarcasm...
Skylines and Civics do suck
89 113 hp toyota rust bucket trucks are where its at, y0
ps, that was sarcasm...
darkness
10-21-2002, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by ozriceboy
Oh, did I mention shut up? hehe. No seriously, look at the budgets for each car. My project can be built for under $30k Aus.
my skyline project is budgeted for under $30 NZ, and when I'm done it should outperform a standard or slighty modded GT-R.
It wouldn't be easy trying to get a civic to out perform it when it's done.
Oh, did I mention shut up? hehe. No seriously, look at the budgets for each car. My project can be built for under $30k Aus.
my skyline project is budgeted for under $30 NZ, and when I'm done it should outperform a standard or slighty modded GT-R.
It wouldn't be easy trying to get a civic to out perform it when it's done.
Spec2 Girl
10-21-2002, 08:37 PM
Of course there are better cars out there than the Skyline, but for what we pay for them over here, they’re a damn good car for the price. Start modfiying a turbo model and you can have some pretty serious power.
Oz
10-21-2002, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Spec2 Girl
Of course there are better cars out there than the Skyline, but for what we pay for them over here, they’re a damn good car for the price. Start modfiying a turbo model and you can have some pretty serious power.
Yeah, but that's the point. NZ get's Skylines (and Civics) MUCH cheaper than Australia. Our GTS-T Skylines start at about $23k for a good one, our R33 Skyline GT-Rs are about $50k+ and R34 GT-Rs are $120k+. My Civic is $10k for the car, $8k for the ITR swap and $12k for the rest (interior, stereo, rims, etc.)
Of course there are better cars out there than the Skyline, but for what we pay for them over here, they’re a damn good car for the price. Start modfiying a turbo model and you can have some pretty serious power.
Yeah, but that's the point. NZ get's Skylines (and Civics) MUCH cheaper than Australia. Our GTS-T Skylines start at about $23k for a good one, our R33 Skyline GT-Rs are about $50k+ and R34 GT-Rs are $120k+. My Civic is $10k for the car, $8k for the ITR swap and $12k for the rest (interior, stereo, rims, etc.)
Spec2 Girl
10-21-2002, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by ozriceboy
Yeah, but that's the point. NZ get's Skylines (and Civics) MUCH cheaper than Australia. Our GTS-T Skylines start at about $23k for a good one, our R33 Skyline GT-Rs are about $50k+ and R34 GT-Rs are $120k+. My Civic is $10k for the car, $8k for the ITR swap and $12k for the rest (interior, stereo, rims, etc.) True, but the price difference isn't as bad as it used to be. When Raf bought his R33 he paid $22,000 for it. The equivalent model in Oz at the time was $38,000. Now the differences aren't so great. I paid $18,000 for mine and an equivalent in Oz is now about $24,000.
Yeah, but that's the point. NZ get's Skylines (and Civics) MUCH cheaper than Australia. Our GTS-T Skylines start at about $23k for a good one, our R33 Skyline GT-Rs are about $50k+ and R34 GT-Rs are $120k+. My Civic is $10k for the car, $8k for the ITR swap and $12k for the rest (interior, stereo, rims, etc.) True, but the price difference isn't as bad as it used to be. When Raf bought his R33 he paid $22,000 for it. The equivalent model in Oz at the time was $38,000. Now the differences aren't so great. I paid $18,000 for mine and an equivalent in Oz is now about $24,000.
replicant_008
10-21-2002, 10:13 PM
I hear what everyone is saying and you all seem to agree every car has its merits and its pitfalls. And some packages are easier to bundle up in terms of budget etc.
But getting back to Heep's original point the ill-informed, the fanatical and the plain lame folk (one of which seem to have wandered in here) form these really strong opinions about things (like a political party) and their faith won't be shaken in spite of the rational arguments that are put forth...
sigh
And BTW Moppie - don't speculate on my sex life (j/k)
But getting back to Heep's original point the ill-informed, the fanatical and the plain lame folk (one of which seem to have wandered in here) form these really strong opinions about things (like a political party) and their faith won't be shaken in spite of the rational arguments that are put forth...
sigh
And BTW Moppie - don't speculate on my sex life (j/k)
Ssom
10-22-2002, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by Moppie
And occasinaly some of that F1 experiance and knowledge seeps into thier road cars. :D
Really??? Of course the NSX uses F1 knowledge and shit.......And was given heartfelt compliments by (Forget his name) Senna - but what other Hondas use this sort of Technology ??? :confused:
But like has been said- there are numerous cars that start life as family/fleet/budget or even Luxury favourites- then a performance model comes along (Examples being- Honda Civic, Peugeot 3O6, Mazda Famillia, Holden Barina, Proton Satria) a MINORITY think because this one car is a legend- that thier car is as well- Luckily these people are a minority- The Mk2 VW Golf GTi was a legend- I own a car buit on the same platform- Although I have driven a Mk 2 GTi- and think the driving experience is similar in the two- the GTi just has a better engine)- I realise that my car is just a 66Kw/90hp carb.
BTW- Any Kiwi's notice that a lot of Faggots (Usually from my neck of the woods) are getting thier hands on E30 BMW 3-series' and trying to pass them off as M3's :silly2:
And occasinaly some of that F1 experiance and knowledge seeps into thier road cars. :D
Really??? Of course the NSX uses F1 knowledge and shit.......And was given heartfelt compliments by (Forget his name) Senna - but what other Hondas use this sort of Technology ??? :confused:
But like has been said- there are numerous cars that start life as family/fleet/budget or even Luxury favourites- then a performance model comes along (Examples being- Honda Civic, Peugeot 3O6, Mazda Famillia, Holden Barina, Proton Satria) a MINORITY think because this one car is a legend- that thier car is as well- Luckily these people are a minority- The Mk2 VW Golf GTi was a legend- I own a car buit on the same platform- Although I have driven a Mk 2 GTi- and think the driving experience is similar in the two- the GTi just has a better engine)- I realise that my car is just a 66Kw/90hp carb.
BTW- Any Kiwi's notice that a lot of Faggots (Usually from my neck of the woods) are getting thier hands on E30 BMW 3-series' and trying to pass them off as M3's :silly2:
tazdev
10-22-2002, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by Heep
I'll bet almost anything that's true in the countries that got the Skyline...but over here almost every kid that's played Gran Turismo but knows nothing about cars will be very offensive about letting you know that every Skyline in the world is a god car.
I'm glad I live in good ol N.Z. then:D Although there are people round here like that also:(
I'll bet almost anything that's true in the countries that got the Skyline...but over here almost every kid that's played Gran Turismo but knows nothing about cars will be very offensive about letting you know that every Skyline in the world is a god car.
I'm glad I live in good ol N.Z. then:D Although there are people round here like that also:(
tazdev
10-22-2002, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by Moppie
I dont have EQ's. :(
(well the pioneer head unit does sort of, but they dont have enough range to be really useful)
The panasonic unit has them built in and they are fairly "tuneable":devil:
I dont have EQ's. :(
(well the pioneer head unit does sort of, but they dont have enough range to be really useful)
The panasonic unit has them built in and they are fairly "tuneable":devil:
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