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svettsokk
10-20-2002, 08:58 AM
I've got a 1991 Honda Accord 2.0 Ex. And it simply is to lazy! Any suggestions about what I shold do? What gives me most power at low price - Turbo or supercharger(compressor)?
What is easiest to install, which last longer, which gives more power??
How much power is it possible to get from that engine with simple adjustments and add-ons? Should i get Weber carburettors?
Please help me - I am lost ;)
What is easiest to install, which last longer, which gives more power??
How much power is it possible to get from that engine with simple adjustments and add-ons? Should i get Weber carburettors?
Please help me - I am lost ;)
hybridsol
10-20-2002, 09:44 AM
lets start with turbo's cool? (turbos for short). A turbo is a small turbine that’s mounted to the exhaust manifold on your engine. As your engine speed increases, so does exhaust gas. The gas spins the turbine, which creates boost, which, in effect, is ramming air into your engine. The more boost, the more air forced into your engine. The big advantage of a turbo is that it’s “free” horsepower, meaning it doesn’t use engine power to make boost like a supercharger. The downside is that the boosted air is very hot because the turbo is connected to the exhaust, which is, in turn, very hot.
turbo system will use a device called an intercooler to cool the air. The intercooler is typically mounted on the front of the car under the bumper, and most use the air forced into it when driving to dissipate heat. Some use a combination of air and water to achieve the effect. There are even water spray systems that will actually spray water on the surface of the intercooler at specific times to make the intercooler more efficient totally crazy setups.
The single most important part of the turbo system on a modern car is the engine management software. This is what separates the men from the boys. It’s very possible to take a turbocharged car that’s tuned o.k. and fine tune it and get another 10- to 20-percent more power. This is typically done with the car on a chassis dyno to simulate the load an engine is under when being driven. This isn’t inexpensive, but the benefits far outweigh the cost. Imagine getting a turbo kit installed on your Honda lets say h22 and getting 275 hp at the wheels with the software supplied by the kit manufacturer. Let’s say the kit was $5000 installed. Would it be worth $1000 more to get an additional 30–60 hp? I think you get the point.
Another advantage of turbo kits is that they’re more efficient at higher engine RPMs than superchargers. But there is a tradeoff — they don’t have as much low end and midrange power as a supercharger. And they have what’s called “lag,” which refers to the amount of time from when you push down on the gas to when the turbo can spool up and deliver boost. The smaller the turbo, the lower the lag time. The larger turbo will make more boost but will take longer to spool up which translates to longer lag time. You’ll have to decide how much lag time is acceptable to you. I personally love the turbo.
ok superchargers-They are air pumps that are driven typically by belts and either mount beside the engine and feed air into the intake manifold, or are directly attached to the engine and are integrated into the intake manifold. They have a few big advantages. Their boost is instantaneous once the engine speed is high enough. They do not heat the air as much as a turbo and therefore do not rely as heavily on intercoolers. Superchargers are available with intercoolers, and they do work, just not with as large a power gain as on a turbo system. Superchargers have no “lag” to speak of like a turbo, and they typically develop more horsepower at lower rpm’s than a turbo. But, like we said earlier, superchargers do lose efficiency at higher rpm’s and they do draw power from the engine to make power.
This is how I make suggestions on both types of systems. If you’re looking for more power across all RPM’s and want that power instantly, you’re a supercharger person. If all-out horsepower is your claim to fame, buy a turbo kit.
I’ll note that there are some exceptions to this. There are some supercharger manufacturers making kits that’ll make loads of top end horsepower. A good example would be the 32-valve Ford 4.6 that can make 800 to 900 horsepower very easily with a good supercharger. There are also small turbo kits for some vehicles, like a Honda Civic, that are designed for lower boost levels and will spool up very quickly.
Complete Turbo Kits-
If you own a Honda or Acura, Greddy and Apex’I make systems for you. So do Drag and F-Max. Three companies that stand out for the import crowd are Jackson Racing, Vortech, and Powerdyne. They all make systems for Honda products. I'm gonna say go with greddy.
Hope I helped out.
happy tuning. :sun:
turbo system will use a device called an intercooler to cool the air. The intercooler is typically mounted on the front of the car under the bumper, and most use the air forced into it when driving to dissipate heat. Some use a combination of air and water to achieve the effect. There are even water spray systems that will actually spray water on the surface of the intercooler at specific times to make the intercooler more efficient totally crazy setups.
The single most important part of the turbo system on a modern car is the engine management software. This is what separates the men from the boys. It’s very possible to take a turbocharged car that’s tuned o.k. and fine tune it and get another 10- to 20-percent more power. This is typically done with the car on a chassis dyno to simulate the load an engine is under when being driven. This isn’t inexpensive, but the benefits far outweigh the cost. Imagine getting a turbo kit installed on your Honda lets say h22 and getting 275 hp at the wheels with the software supplied by the kit manufacturer. Let’s say the kit was $5000 installed. Would it be worth $1000 more to get an additional 30–60 hp? I think you get the point.
Another advantage of turbo kits is that they’re more efficient at higher engine RPMs than superchargers. But there is a tradeoff — they don’t have as much low end and midrange power as a supercharger. And they have what’s called “lag,” which refers to the amount of time from when you push down on the gas to when the turbo can spool up and deliver boost. The smaller the turbo, the lower the lag time. The larger turbo will make more boost but will take longer to spool up which translates to longer lag time. You’ll have to decide how much lag time is acceptable to you. I personally love the turbo.
ok superchargers-They are air pumps that are driven typically by belts and either mount beside the engine and feed air into the intake manifold, or are directly attached to the engine and are integrated into the intake manifold. They have a few big advantages. Their boost is instantaneous once the engine speed is high enough. They do not heat the air as much as a turbo and therefore do not rely as heavily on intercoolers. Superchargers are available with intercoolers, and they do work, just not with as large a power gain as on a turbo system. Superchargers have no “lag” to speak of like a turbo, and they typically develop more horsepower at lower rpm’s than a turbo. But, like we said earlier, superchargers do lose efficiency at higher rpm’s and they do draw power from the engine to make power.
This is how I make suggestions on both types of systems. If you’re looking for more power across all RPM’s and want that power instantly, you’re a supercharger person. If all-out horsepower is your claim to fame, buy a turbo kit.
I’ll note that there are some exceptions to this. There are some supercharger manufacturers making kits that’ll make loads of top end horsepower. A good example would be the 32-valve Ford 4.6 that can make 800 to 900 horsepower very easily with a good supercharger. There are also small turbo kits for some vehicles, like a Honda Civic, that are designed for lower boost levels and will spool up very quickly.
Complete Turbo Kits-
If you own a Honda or Acura, Greddy and Apex’I make systems for you. So do Drag and F-Max. Three companies that stand out for the import crowd are Jackson Racing, Vortech, and Powerdyne. They all make systems for Honda products. I'm gonna say go with greddy.
Hope I helped out.
happy tuning. :sun:
Self
10-21-2002, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by svettsokk
I've got a 1991 Honda Accord 2.0 Ex. And it simply is to lazy! Any suggestions about what I shold do? What gives me most power at low price - Turbo or supercharger(compressor)?
What is easiest to install, which last longer, which gives more power??
How much power is it possible to get from that engine with simple adjustments and add-ons? Should i get Weber carburettors?
Please help me - I am lost ;)
I'd say before you think about purchasing a turbo/super charger, you might first consider an engine swap. That would really perk up your car, cost about the same, if not less, be tons more reliable, and can be just as powerful, if not more so depending on the swap you decide on. Might want to look into that...
I've got a 1991 Honda Accord 2.0 Ex. And it simply is to lazy! Any suggestions about what I shold do? What gives me most power at low price - Turbo or supercharger(compressor)?
What is easiest to install, which last longer, which gives more power??
How much power is it possible to get from that engine with simple adjustments and add-ons? Should i get Weber carburettors?
Please help me - I am lost ;)
I'd say before you think about purchasing a turbo/super charger, you might first consider an engine swap. That would really perk up your car, cost about the same, if not less, be tons more reliable, and can be just as powerful, if not more so depending on the swap you decide on. Might want to look into that...
hybridsol
10-21-2002, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by svettsokk
I've got a 1991 Honda Accord 2.0 Ex. And it simply is to lazy! Any suggestions about what I shold do? What gives me most power at low price - Turbo or supercharger(compressor)?
What is easiest to install, which last longer, which gives more power??
How much power is it possible to get from that engine with simple adjustments and add-ons? Should i get Weber carburettors?
Please help me - I am lost ;)
got any more info on the motor? 2.0 - carb. 2.0 - fuel injected is it f22a4- a1 or a6? or is it a european motor? 110 carb. or 133 fuel injected? i'm gonna guess its 110???? if so I am in agreement with self. Motor swap is the way to go.
I've got a 1991 Honda Accord 2.0 Ex. And it simply is to lazy! Any suggestions about what I shold do? What gives me most power at low price - Turbo or supercharger(compressor)?
What is easiest to install, which last longer, which gives more power??
How much power is it possible to get from that engine with simple adjustments and add-ons? Should i get Weber carburettors?
Please help me - I am lost ;)
got any more info on the motor? 2.0 - carb. 2.0 - fuel injected is it f22a4- a1 or a6? or is it a european motor? 110 carb. or 133 fuel injected? i'm gonna guess its 110???? if so I am in agreement with self. Motor swap is the way to go.
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