3kgt or stealth

i no there's a lot of different kinds of 3kgt and stealths but in general what do you think is the better one. i have purchased a 3kgt, but haven't drove yet. personally i think that a 3kgt is better in performance (once again in general) and in visual but different people have different tastes so i want to know which you think is better and why.:)

They are equally as good in performance. It is which ever one you think looks better. Me personally, I like the 3000gt but that is just me. Different strokes for different folks.

same exact car, so I'm curious how you think the 3000gt is better performance wise. If anything the Stealth is, because it is a tad lighter. :biggrin:

i thought the 3kgt was a little lighter but now that i look its 3,990 lbs. damn im retarded. stealth only 3,803lbs. :banghead:

your retarded. haha.

your retarded. haha.

nice first post. welcome to the forums :p

it can and will be argued all day long. Stealth's are lighter, 3k have downforce and toys, etc.

Basically, just choose on looks.

Basically, just choose on looks.


Well, if that's the way people choose between 3000's and Stealths, than we wouldn't have any need for Stealths, would we? :iceslolan

we would have many reasons for the first gen stealths, they loo better than the 3kgt in first gen. yes i own one, and i'll stand up for it more than i will my neon.
second gen, i'd take either, and obviously i'd take a third gen 3k, being the only one that was made.
so yea, thats my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

Well, if that's the way people choose between 3000's and Stealths, than we wouldn't have any need for Stealths, would we? :iceslolan

everyone was thinking it...finally someone said it lol.
RIGHT ON MORPH lol

j/k,

to each his own haha...no 3/s civil war :nono:

i have no problem with people thinking there's no reason for the stealth, honostly it was more a waste of money, they couldve just made the active aero an option on the vr4, that wouldve made it the same as the stealth, the only thing the stealth has, other than weight, sorry, i hate the fact that the 3k has the grove behind the rear window, where on the stealth the wing would b. that grove should not have been there on either in my opinion

i recall reading somewhere that there is actually a benefit ot it...ill have to search around on the web though because i cant remember exactly what. I think it might be aerodynamics, cause at some speed the air coming off the roof will hit right after that and make a nice transition, creating a low pressure over the rear window...unless you have the stealth spoiler, which directs that air back up...hence downforce, but still retaining the low pressure.... on 3k's..maybe for wind noise reduction?

damn i would really KILL for wind tunnel time to play with my car...lol

not positive. ill try to find out. i know i read it somewhere.

http://www.3000gtvr4.com/pages/downforce.html

found that...didnt really explain about the ridge, but you can see how at "normal" highway speeds (the 2 pics are for 90mph and 125 mph), the air aff the roof would hit just behind the ridge.

cool stuff if you havnt seen this site b4. I think its amazing that while the AA system increases downforce and balances the forces on the car, the coefficient of drag is actually reduced. those guys at mitsu sure as hell did a good job.

Well, if that's the way people choose between 3000's and Stealths, than we wouldn't have any need for Stealths, would we? :iceslolan


hahaha wow thats a good:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: if you use this quote and the other quote it would make a good sig

Well, if that's the way people choose between 3000's and Stealths, than we wouldn't have any need for Stealths, would we? :iceslolan

:rofl:

its all about looks, though i'm more for the 3000gt than the stealth, sometimes those stealths look really really bad ass!! its a close one imo
only when it comes to the turbo versions

No love for my bastard Stealth? :( :sad:

might be a little off topic but i remember someone swearing that the stealth was alot better than the 3000gt because when he played forza the stealths were a full class higher than 3000gt's. i checked it out and it was true and i wondered why... turns out forza lists the weight of the TT stealth at like 3100lbs. minor discrepancy, lol.

yea it was me that played forza and said it was a whole class higher, but if u reduce the weight to around the same on the vr4, it becomes the same performance, but still for some reason cant lap laguna seca as quickly.
tho i never recall saying that they were a whole lot better in real life, just in the game.
tho granted i did buy the stealth in real life because it was the best b class car in stock form in the game, stupid reason, but hell, i'm not pissed off at the car, i enjoy it

2nd gen Stealth tail lights FTW. First gens its equal to me *unless we bring in the Euro front end then the stealth doens't hold a snowballs chance in hell* 2nd gen Bout equal i like both the bumpers the 3kgt looks beter dropped down. But what i really like is the hybird when you start mixing gens of the 3/s but to each his own.

Well, if I were buying a first gen then I would buy a Stealth because I like the looks better. If I were buying a second gen then I would get a 3000GT based on looks. The weight difference is probably because the Stealth doesn't have acctive aero. However, I've heard that the banana spoiler provides more downforce. Also, a Stealth will cost you less than a comparative 3000GT.

i go with wat i like, performance, drivability(to stiff sux, to soft sux), then looks.
i dont like the first gen headlights, especially on the stealth, ne other color than black they stand out way to much, i believe in conformity, one color. tho i must say they shine like no other
o i've got a ?, do all 3kg's have active aero, or just the vr4? i was looking at my friends 99 sl, and it looked like it did, but i couldnt tell.

Not all years had it i think 97 is when they cut it off. Since the hoop and 99 spoilers dont like like they are gonna move any. Also the stealths didn't have AWS * think some years did not sure and to lazy to look up*

Not all years had it i think 97 is when they cut it off. Since the hoop and 99 spoilers dont like like they are gonna move any. Also the stealths didn't have AWS * think some years did not sure and to lazy to look up*

All the first gen Stealth R/T TTs have AWS. I think they took that out of the second gens at one point.

95 and 96 RT/TT didnt have AWS. All VR4s had AWS though.

o i've got a ?, do all 3kg's have active aero, or just the vr4? i was looking at my friends 99 sl, and it looked like it did, but i couldnt tell.
just the 91-96 vr4s

http://www.3000gtvr4.com/pages/downforce.html

found that...didnt really explain about the ridge, but you can see how at "normal" highway speeds (the 2 pics are for 90mph and 125 mph), the air aff the roof would hit just behind the ridge.

cool stuff if you havnt seen this site b4. I think its amazing that while the AA system increases downforce and balances the forces on the car, the coefficient of drag is actually reduced. those guys at mitsu sure as hell did a good job.

The coefficient is the same, it is not reduced

95 and 96 RT/TT didnt have AWS. All VR4s had AWS though.

that was it!

i was at the dealership the other day picking up a wheel center cap, and i was looking at his CAPS vehicle code cheat sheet, and i only saw chassis codes Z11A and Z16A. i was sure there was a Z15A chassis code for years w/o the AWS.

so it was only the stealth TT, years 95-96 that did NOT have AWS. so it makes sense that that chassis code would not be on a MITSU vehicle cheat sheet (although CAPS does include the Z15A option in the program itself).

mitsu found better ways oif making the car turn then using 4ws, that and it's something that's really just there to show mitsu can play with porsche's and lambo in terms of handling.
aws wasnt something that was an answer for something no1 ever asked. which has still got me as to y the gtr is still using it. it'll b the only sports car with it that i know of.
aws phased out in late 94, b4 producing the 95 model yr for the stealth. i own a stealth, i've never really looked at a 3000gt b4 nor have i looked up nething aobut it, other than the things that r the same.
o and y r the stealth's cheaper than a comparitive 3kgt?
i've never gotten it, anyone looking for one knows mitsu built the car, so it's not like dodge reliability.

The best way i can put it is that one has a dodge body the other mitsu and to ppl that means alot.

mitsu found better ways oif making the car turn then using 4ws, that and it's something that's really just there to show mitsu can play with porsche's and lambo in terms of handling.
aws wasnt something that was an answer for something no1 ever asked. which has still got me as to y the gtr is still using it. it'll b the only sports car with it that i know of.
aws phased out in late 94, b4 producing the 95 model yr for the stealth. i own a stealth, i've never really looked at a 3000gt b4 nor have i looked up nething aobut it, other than the things that r the same.
o and y r the stealth's cheaper than a comparitive 3kgt?
i've never gotten it, anyone looking for one knows mitsu built the car, so it's not like dodge reliability.


AWS being phased out had nothing to do with coming up with other ways to make it handle, it was purely a price thing. They made AWS and non-AWS cars 91-99

y r the stealth's cheaper than a comparitive 3kgt?
i've never gotten it, anyone looking for one knows mitsu built the car, so it's not like dodge reliability.

i'm guessing it has to do with the fact that mitsu had to pay import taxes to sell the 3000s and dodge didn't so 3000s cost more then stealths did when they were being sold new. so now people want more of the money back when they sell there cars and since 3000s cost more they want more.

thats what i think but dreamspawn made a good point to..


and it could be the fact that stealths are no where as know as 3000s. i ask people if the like stealths and they are like whats a stealth, so i ask about 3000s and most of the time they say no (because there to heavy but they like supras:rofl: ), but this shows they are more popular than stealths and that can be why

well if the 3kgt is more well known, and i think more of them were produced, wouldnt that help the value of the stealth. and i never knew that there was no import tax on the stealth, they were built in japan on the same line as the 3kgt.
what dreamspawn said does make a lot of sense.
as for the aws being phased out due to better handling idea's, it's 100% true, i read somewhere that it was the second biggest reason behind getting rid of it, the other, it's not really something people look for. when i bought my stealth and found out that it had aws, i said, o cool, it doesnt do nething for me, nothing more than my friends sl can take, or my friends prelude. they can all take corners and change lanes just as well as the next.

well if the 3kgt is more well known, and i think more of them were produced, wouldnt that help the value of the stealth. and i never knew that there was no import tax on the stealth, they were built in japan on the same line as the 3kgt.
what dreamspawn said does make a lot of sense.
as for the aws being phased out due to better handling idea's, it's 100% true, i read somewhere that it was the second biggest reason behind getting rid of it, the other, it's not really something people look for. when i bought my stealth and found out that it had aws, i said, o cool, it doesnt do nething for me, nothing more than my friends sl can take, or my friends prelude. they can all take corners and change lanes just as well as the next.

oh well i don't know much on where the stealths were being made so i figured they were made in america because of the dodge name. well even if it was made in japan if over half of the parts that they used were american then it would be considered an american car so they wouldn't have to pay import tax. well actually i'm not sure soo i will look in to that now haha.

well if the 3kgt is more well known, and i think more of them were produced, wouldnt that help the value of the stealth. and i never knew that there was no import tax on the stealth, they were built in japan on the same line as the 3kgt.
what dreamspawn said does make a lot of sense.
as for the aws being phased out due to better handling idea's, it's 100% true, i read somewhere that it was the second biggest reason behind getting rid of it, the other, it's not really something people look for. when i bought my stealth and found out that it had aws, i said, o cool, it doesnt do nething for me, nothing more than my friends sl can take, or my friends prelude. they can all take corners and change lanes just as well as the next.

It was never phases out completely so you are wrong. The ONLY TT 3s's not to have it were 95 and 96 RT/TT's. And I guarantee the reason behind Dodge gettign rid of it was for nothing more than to save money. I also guarantee lane changes are alot quicker in a VR4 than a TT without AWS. Have you ever watched a AWS car make a lane change? Its like a friggin slot car.

oh well i don't know much on where the stealths were being made so i figured they were made in america because of the dodge name. well even if it was made in japan if over half of the parts that they used were american then it would be considered an american car so they wouldn't have to pay import tax. well actually i'm not sure soo i will look in to that now haha.

Stealths are much more Mitsubishi than they ever will be Dodge. All Dodge did was slap some om there own body cladding on it. Everything else is Mitsubishi thru and thru. Both cars were built in Nagoya Japan. 99% of the parts on the Stealth have Mitsubishi part numbers.

And yes the Stealths are more rare than the 3000gts.

I didn't know they were more rare kewlz but like i said the main cost differnce is the name tag. Its like toyota and lexus. The is300 is a toyota overseas now with a toyota badge here do you think they could sell as many for the same price no. Ifiniti and Nissian same thing could go and go with things like this.

Well thats actually different. Lexus is the luxury brand of Toyota, as Infiniti is the luxury brand of Nissan. But yes the name alone is part of the price difference.

Both cars were built in Nagoya Japan. 99% of the parts on the Stealth have Mitsubishi part numbers.

funny you should mention that, having gone over several mitsu engines with a fine toothed comb recently, i noticed a few NON-mitsu names. on the FIAV under the throttle body is stamped the name "Mikuni Corporation," and there's another funky name i can't recall stamped on the back of the power steering pump. and most pulleys are made by Koyo. so that's the 1% of the car that's not mitsubishi. props to mitsu for making everything themselves, and making it well (for the most part...Getrash <cough, cough>).

LOL. Well Mitsu didnt build that tranny. That was Getrag. The damn Germans got it right for Supras and some other car co's. I guess the FWD based is what screwed them. :lol:

What i was trying to say though is alot of those companies have cars that are the same with differnt bodys badges and sell them differnt prices. Like the G35 and 350z Essentially the same, the is350 and think the jap name is altezza.

What i was trying to say though is alot of those companies have cars that are the same with differnt bodys badges and sell them differnt prices. Like the G35 and 350z Essentially the same, the is350 and think the jap name is altezza.


yeah ur correct with IS and thats what i hread. like the reason they created lexus, acura, and infinity is to compete with the other lux manufactures like BMW, etc..... and like you said who would spend 45 grand on a honda or toyota but with people thinking Acura as being whole better manufacture then they would.

how would you try to out class someone in a BMW and ur in a honda but if they use acura and hyped it up to be a high end lux brand then people would spend that much money for the car.

will that just what i was told and what i think

and i know the thread is hard core OTed now haha

3Ks and stealths to this haha

i'm gonna have ot find the site that stated that it wasnt needed on the car, that they found better ways of making the car handle without aws. and like it was said previously, only up till 96 did the 3kgt have aws, or maybe that was active aero.
the only difference if u wanna call it one, is the body, u look at it, both have the fuax air ducts behind the doors in the first gen, just look different. the spoiler and c pillar are the biggest difference.
no i've never seen an aws car change lanes, how the hell am i supposed to to know if it has aws, it's not advertised on the fricken car. the only cars htat i know of that have aws are the 300zx, porsche 911 turbo(993), porsche 959, nissan skyline, 3/S, honda prelude early 90's, mazda mx6, mazda 626, ford probe(suposedly), those are all i can think of right now.
as for toyota and the other compaies, u have i kinda right. acura and infiniti are actaully now international brands as of 4th quater 06.
the is300 is an altezza in japan, the g35 is a skyline(hence the reason i c skylines all the time) es350 is a chaser, the lexus sc430 is something weird. acura nsx is the same just honda, and btw there were honda nsx's brought to america, the type r. the acura rsx is actually the integra to the rest of the world. and there are many many more, every car that toyota, nissan, and honda make, have equal conterparts in the "luxery brand". even mazda got in on it in the early 90's. i'm aware of the eunos spyder(the mazda miata) o and the beest one, fiat and alfa romeo.
and u shouldnt use the word jap, it a very offensive word, unlessused in a historic manor such as a jap plane in WWII.
it is the fwd that screwed up getrag. think about it, every other car from the mid 90's using a getrag trans were all rwd or rwd based awd. some other cars, the porsche 968, nissan skyline, nissan fairlady z32, supra, porsche 911 gt2, and many others.
but neways getting back on topic. i say go with the stealth for first gen, and 3kgt for 2nd and 3rd gen, yes i refer to them as 2 different gens

only up till 96 did the 3kgt have aws, or maybe that was active aero.

Bingo. AA went away in 97 with the hoop spoiler. As for watching a AWS car change lanes I was referring to being in a caravan of 3s's at a meet or something.

no i havent really driven the car much. i had it only a month b4 it went off insurance, then it was like i sid put back on like a week ago.
i havent really done ne caravaning(if that's a word too many "a") tho i'd love to c one, to really know wat ur talking about. i feel a lil difference trying to make turns on back roads.
o i hope u can clear this up for me.
do the back wheels go the opposite direction than the front or the same? and i've also read that it doesnt go on till 40 and i've also seen 30/31, which is it?
i'm surprised i wasnt baned for going so off topic, tho in a way this discussion helps a lil with choosing which car

You've got to remember that the 99' wing is the only one that was produced to have an inverted airfoil. I'd assume it works just as well as AA.

The rear wheels turn "in phase" so they turn the same way as the fronts. And yeah AWS doesnt engage till approximately 35mph.

man if they turned the oposite that would make parking so much easier

LOL. I can imagine parallel parking at 35 mph. :rofl:

dude, just slide the car for parallel, but i get what ur saying. to bad they dnt work at all speeds just on a speed to turn ratio